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[quote=hooskins;711501]Gilbert's response was very unprofessional. He didn't have to wish LeBron well, but he could have said we are very disappointed he didn't return to Cleavland and displayed his decision the way he did(national tv, etc.). Cavs will always be competitive, etc etc etc.
No need to come off as childish and emotional. I understand where he is coming from and the frustration is something I would have too if I were a fan(especially the way Lebron has gone about this). I am only 23, but I have learned not to go on the record and say something in the professional world, when I am upset, emotional, etc. Got to take a step back, think about the implications of what you are saying, and wait before you say something.[/quote] Gilbert should think of LeBron as a coupon he just saved millions of dollars by having him sign somewhere else. [I]I know net wise he lost a ton but I am trying to cheer the guy up. [/I] |
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[quote=mredskins;711500]My gut says the NBA is more popular than the MLB, how to prove it I don't know.[/quote]
Revenue, that's how you measure it. Ticket sales, merchandise sales, concession sales, and TV revenue. It is not, MLB crushes it. |
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[quote=Schneed10;711512]Revenue, that's how you measure it. Ticket sales, merchandise sales, concession sales, and TV revenue.
It is not, MLB crushes it.[/quote] Proof? |
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I don't know what Cleveland is complaining about...they got Bobby Engram!
[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-20100709_browns_sign_bobby_engram]Browns sign Bobby Engram - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url] |
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SportingNews.com: NBA megadeals prove NFL players aren't overpaid ...
Jul 7, 2010 ... Total revenue by sport. 1. MLB ($6.6 billion) 2. NFL ($6.5 billion) 3. NBA ($3.2 billion) 4. NHL ($2.4 billion). The percentage of revenue ... profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/.../sportingnewscom-nba-megadeals-prove-nfl-players-arent-overpaid/ - Cached |
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[quote=CRedskinsRule;711515]SportingNews.com: NBA megadeals prove NFL players aren't overpaid ...
Jul 7, 2010 ... Total revenue by sport. 1. MLB ($6.6 billion) 2. NFL ($6.5 billion) 3. NBA ($3.2 billion) 4. NHL ($2.4 billion). The percentage of revenue ... profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/.../sportingnewscom-nba-megadeals-prove-nfl-players-arent-overpaid/ - Cached[/quote] Fair enough, thanks! Poor S10, right now he is scrambling putting together massive pivot charts and tables trying to show proof, when this is all I needed. =) |
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[quote=mredskins;711516]Fair enough, thanks!
Poor S10, right now he is scrambling putting together massive pivot charts and tables trying to show proof, when this is all I needed. =)[/quote] Nah, CRedskins did me the solid. I was just going to say something to the effect of "how come you didn't know that??" I thought it was common knowledge that baseball dominates the NBA in popularity. |
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MLB crushes the NBA? Are we sure about that, especially when taking into account worldwide popularity? Shouldn't we also consider other factors such as merch sales, TV ratings, etc.
Of course baseball trumps them in revenue, bigger stadiums, more games. That factor has to be taken into account. Pretty sure NBA TV ratings are higher than MLB. |
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[quote=CRedskinsRule;711515]SportingNews.com: NBA megadeals prove NFL players aren't overpaid ...
Jul 7, 2010 ... Total revenue by sport. 1. MLB ($6.6 billion) 2. NFL ($6.5 billion) 3. NBA ($3.2 billion) 4. NHL ($2.4 billion). The percentage of revenue ... profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/.../sportingnewscom-nba-megadeals-prove-nfl-players-arent-overpaid/ - Cached[/quote] So that's revenue that includes everything then-tickets sales, tv, merchandise? And does that factor in the fact that (looking only at MLB vs. NBA, NFL is clearly at the head of the class) that the NBA season is half as long as MLB's? Most people do say MLB is more popular though when polled, though I think NBA is growing at a faster rate internationally (not sure on that though) Either way, been a season ticket holder of the Wizards for over 15 years. Love the NBA, in spite of some its flaws. And yeah I like to watch the superstars play, what's wrong with that? Realize that a handful of teams have won it all the past several years (Lakers, Celtics, Spurs, Pistons) but is that so different from Patriots, Steelers, Cowboys, Broncos? And I think there are plenty of teams with a legit chance to win it all each year. |
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[quote=Mattyk;711518]MLB crushes the NBA? Are we sure about that, especially when taking into account worldwide popularity? Shouldn't we also consider other factors such as merch sales, TV ratings, etc.
Of course baseball trumps them in revenue, bigger stadiums, more games. That factor has to be taken into account. Pretty sure NBA TV ratings are higher than MLB.[/quote] Beat me to it Regular season ratings NBA has tended to do better than MLB, wheres it's slightly the reverse during the playoffs. NBA tends to do a bit better on digital platforms |
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[quote=Mattyk;711518]MLB crushes the NBA? Are we sure about that, especially when taking into account worldwide popularity? Shouldn't we also consider other factors such as merch sales, TV ratings, etc.
Of course baseball trumps them in revenue, bigger stadiums, more games. That factor has to be taken into account. Pretty sure NBA TV ratings are higher than MLB.[/quote] But NBA ticket prices are higher than baseball's, and the size of the stadiums match the demand for tickets. If teams thought they could sell more tickets, they'd build bigger arenas, no matter how bad the sight lines got. Merchandise sales would be included in the revenue numbers you're seeing there. |
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While the MLB regular season is longer, the NBA post season is much longer, with more teams involved and hence more games.
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[quote=Schneed10;711523]While the MLB regular season is longer, the NBA post season is much longer, with more teams involved and hence more games.[/quote]
Still it is a huge dealt it is almost as big as the NBA's entire season (1144 games), consider the regular season and if you played ever playoff series to 7 games. That is a lot more opportunity for more revenue for the MLB. MLB 15 x 162 2430 7 series x 7 49 2479 total games NBA 15x 82 1230 15 series x 7 105 1335 total games I leaning towards Matty's TV ratings as a better gauge. |
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I can't blame him for leaving Cleveland...they will never win there, with or without LeBron James.
I also can't criticize him for wanting to win, or taking less than Max Contract money to assemble a better team. However, I don't think the Heat will win. They have 3 VERY expensive players, who will leave room for Mike Miller (barely) and 8 more minimum contract scrubs. The bench will have zero depth barring any surprise stepping up from minimum wage players. I think he should have gone to the Bulls. Their overall roster is far superior than Miami's gutted team to afford 3 top free agents. They have Derrick Rose, who could end up being as good as Wade, Boozer (comparable to Bosh when healthy), Noah, Deng, Taj Gibson is a good young talent, even Brad Miller and Pargo are better-than-average players off the bench. I also have doubts about Wade and James co-existing. They will both have to cut back their stats and share the spotlight. I think LeBron has the right intentions, to win, even if it requires taking less money and sharing the team...but I think he made the wrong choice. I expect Pay Riley to step back onto the sidelines, firing another coach when it looks like he could come in and get credit for success. I used to respect him a lot as a coach, but it seems he is only willing to coach when it looks like things are going good. When the team struggles, he steps back into an office job and lets some other temporary coach deal with the team and get the blame. |
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[quote=Buster;711530]I can't blame him for leaving Cleveland...they will never win there, with or without LeBron James.
I also can't criticize him for wanting to win, or taking less than Max Contract money to assemble a better team. However, I don't think the Heat will win. They have 3 VERY expensive players, who will leave room for Mike Miller (barely) and 8 more minimum contract scrubs. The bench will have zero depth barring any surprise stepping up from minimum wage players. I think he should have gone to the Bulls. Their overall roster is far superior than Miami's gutted team to afford 3 top free agents. They have Derrick Rose, who could end up being as good as Wade, Boozer (comparable to Bosh when healthy), Noah, Deng, Taj Gibson is a good young talent, even Brad Miller and Pargo are better-than-average players off the bench. I also have doubts about Wade and James co-existing. They will both have to cut back their stats and share the spotlight. I think LeBron has the right intentions, to win, even if it requires taking less money and sharing the team...but I think he made the wrong choice. I expect Pay Riley to step back onto the sidelines, firing another coach when it looks like he could come in and get credit for success. I used to respect him a lot as a coach, but it seems he is only willing to coach when it looks like things are going good. When the team struggles, he steps back into an office job and lets some other temporary coach deal with the team and get the blame.[/quote] Good post, I totally agree on all points. I hope all implodes and Wade and James can't live together. |
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[quote=mredskins;711532]Good post, I totally agree on all points.
I hope all implodes and Wade and James can't live together.[/quote] (As a Bulls fan) I was hoping Wade would go to the Bulls...for a day or two, it seemed very likely. The East seems as strong, or stronger than the West this upcoming year. East contenders: Heat Bulls Magic Celtics Atlanta Charlotte - Don't laugh, they're getting good. West contenders: Nuggets Lakers Blazers Spurs - getting very old though downgraded: Utah - lost Boozer Phoenix - lost Amare |
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[quote=Buster;711551](As a Bulls fan) I was hoping Wade would go to the Bulls...for a day or two, it seemed very likely.
The East seems as strong, or stronger than the West this upcoming year. East contenders: Heat Bulls Magic Celtics Atlanta Charlotte - Don't laugh, they're getting good. West contenders: Nuggets Lakers Blazers Spurs - getting very old though [B]downgraded: Utah - lost Boozer Phoenix - lost Amare[/quote] [/B]That is what sucks the West is already weak and now they lost two of their Stars, might as well ink the Lakers in for the finals. |
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The West had a long run of being FAR superior than the East. Even when Detroit or Boston won...the West was still stronger top to bottom.
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[quote=mredskins;711529]Still it is a huge dealt it is almost as big as the NBA's entire season (1144 games), consider the regular season and if you played ever playoff series to 7 games. That is a lot more opportunity for more revenue for the MLB.
MLB 15 x 162 2430 7 series x 7 49 2479 total games NBA 15x 82 1230 15 series x 7 105 1335 total games I leaning towards Matty's TV ratings as a better gauge.[/quote] Right but like I said, NBA ticket prices are much much higher. Helps makes up for the fewer games. Revenue is by far the better measure, it shows what the fans are willing to pay to consume the product. The price of the ticket is going to change based on the demand for the seats, the supply of the seats, and the supply of the games. It says something that MLB is able to sell the tickets they do to 162 games, it shows demand for the product is higher than the NBA. Because if demand for the NBA's product were higher, they'd either build bigger arenas or raise the ticket prices to generate more revenue. It is business after all. Supply & demand drives everything, the revenue generated is ultimately supported by fan interest. |
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[quote=mredskins;711553][/B]That is what sucks the West is already weak and now they lost two of their Stars, might as well ink the Lakers in for the finals.[/quote]
The West weak, really? |
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[quote=SmootSmack;711568]The West weak, really?[/quote]
If some team other than the Lakers is in the finals in 2011, Iwill say it is a strong division. |
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[quote=Schneed10;711565]Right but like I said, NBA ticket prices are much much higher. Helps makes up for the fewer games.
Revenue is by far the better measure, it shows what the fans are willing to pay to consume the product. The price of the ticket is going to change based on the demand for the seats, the supply of the seats, and the supply of the games. It says something that MLB is able to sell the tickets they do to 162 games, it shows demand for the product is higher than the NBA. Because if demand for the NBA's product were higher, they'd either build bigger arenas or raise the ticket prices to generate more revenue. It is business after all. Supply & demand drives everything, the revenue generated is ultimately supported by fan interest.[/quote] Dude the MLB almost plays two seasons worth of NBA basketball in one season. That is a huge gap. |
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[quote=mredskins;711571]If some team other than the Lakers is in the finals in 2011, Iwill say it is a strong division.[/quote]
I think the Suns (even with Amare gone), and Jazz (even with Boozer gone) are still formidable. Spurs are getting old but I never count them out. I think Dirk is better suited to be the #2 guy on a team, but they're strong. The Nuggets, despite the adversity of Karl's cancer battle, are very competitive. And then you've got the OKC Thunder. Not to mention the Blazers and Grizzlies as up and coming teams as well. |
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[quote=mredskins;711573]Dude the MLB almost plays two seasons worth of NBA basketball in one season. That is a huge gap.[/quote]
Yeah I know, you're missing my point. Short of repeating the same exact post over again, all I can say is that the ticket prices adjust based on the number of games and number of seats available, and based on the demand for said seats. Despite the game difference, if the NBA were more popular than MLB, people would pay quadruple the ticket price, given the fewer games and smaller arenas. But they don't do that. |
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[quote=SmootSmack;711574]I think the Suns (even with Amare gone), and Jazz (even with Boozer gone) are still formidable. Spurs are getting old but I never count them out. I think Dirk is better suited to be the #2 guy on a team, but they're strong. The Nuggets, despite the adversity of Karl's cancer battle, are very competitive. And then you've got the OKC Thunder. Not to mention the Blazers and Grizzlies as up and coming teams as well.[/quote]
I hear you but none of those teams put any fear in the Lakers. |
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[quote=SmootSmack;711574]I think the Suns (even with Amare gone), and Jazz (even with Boozer gone) are still formidable. Spurs are getting old but I never count them out. I think Dirk is better suited to be the #2 guy on a team, but they're strong. The Nuggets, despite the adversity of Karl's cancer battle, are very competitive. And then you've got the OKC Thunder. Not to mention the Blazers and Grizzlies as up and coming teams as well.[/quote]
I don't know how the Suns or Jazz compete in the low post against Gasol/Bynum and Duncan without Amare and Boozer. |
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[quote=mredskins;711576]I hear you but none of those teams put any fear in the Lakers.[/quote]
Doesn't mean they can't compete with them On another note, I'm not saying Hakim Warrick is Amare, but I think he can be a sleeper offensively for Phoenix with Nash distributing him the ball To me, though, the biggest wild card is Greg Oden. If he can come back healthy I think the Blazers could be like Orlando out of the East in 2009 |
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[quote=SmootSmack;711580]Doesn't mean they can't compete with them
On another note, I'm not saying Hakim Warrick is Amare, but I think he can be a sleeper offensively for Phoenix with Nash distributing him the ball [B]To me, though, the biggest wild card is Greg Oden. If he can come back healthy I think the Blazers could be like Orlando out of the East in 2009[/B][/quote] That's a good call, combined with a full healthy season out of Brandon Roy, who was nagged for a good portion of last year. |
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Generally speaking the West is always a stronger conference. Look at records. Barring one team in the East, all playoff teams in the West have better records. Furthermore the cut line in terms of W-L is much lower in the East each year.
Better teams in the West. |
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The part I didn't like about Dan Gilberts guarantee was the promise of winning a championship before Lebron. That actually makes it harder to go into rebuilding mode which would really help the Cavs. Play like shit for a few years and get some lottery picks and use that to build your team. As much as I love Antwan, theres no way that Cleveland will be able to put together a winning team with him as their best player.
To me Memphis has the most appealing team in the league. Rudy Gay, OJ Mayo, Mike Connelly, Marc Gasol, Vasquez, Darell Aurthur, and Hasheem Thabeet make up one off the best young cores in the league. If the Cavs had that team in the East they would be a serious threat. Now is the time to rebuild. Unfortunately no free agent is going to want to come to Cleveland now. You need to find another young star. The Bulls model would work well for the Cavs. Of course with the NBA draft it's easier said then done. |
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[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?page=lebronleavescavs-100709]Gilbert lets out his frustration - ESPN[/url]
I get that he's frustrated, still think he could have handled it better |
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[quote=SmootSmack;711632][url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?page=lebronleavescavs-100709]Gilbert lets out his frustration - ESPN[/url]
I get that he's frustrated, still think he could have handled it better[/quote] Smoot what's the chance that NBA owners will implement a hard cap? |
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[quote=Dirtbag359;711655]Smoot what's the chance that NBA owners will implement a hard cap?[/quote]
Good question, don't know. I'll ask Cuban....seriously though, it's a major issue that may or may not lead to a lockout |
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[quote=SmootSmack;711671]Good question, don't know. I'll ask Cuban....seriously though, it's a major issue that may or may not lead to a lockout[/quote]
Right now I'm praying for one, though I must admit my intentions aren't exactly pure as a hard cap would seemingly go a long way towards limiting the Heat. Also it seems like it would be tough to implement. Right now the Lakers have a total payroll of $81 million. That's obviously well above the $58 million salary cap. As much as the NBA needs the Lakers right now the fact of that matter is that there's virtually no parity in the NBA and the fact that this Heat deal went through is clear proof that the system is broken. No team should be able to pull off what Miami did last night. [url=http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm]HoopsHype - NBA Salaries[/url] [quote][url=http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=69173]WKYC.com | Cleveland, OH | Fight over giant LeBron billboard[/url][/quote] Shouldn't be to hard now. [quote=Buster;711530]I can't blame him for leaving Cleveland...they will never win there, with or without LeBron James. I also can't criticize him for wanting to win, or taking less than Max Contract money to assemble a better team. However, I don't think the Heat will win. They have 3 VERY expensive players, who will leave room for Mike Miller (barely) and 8 more minimum contract scrubs. The bench will have zero depth barring any surprise stepping up from minimum wage players. I think he should have gone to the Bulls. Their overall roster is far superior than Miami's gutted team to afford 3 top free agents. They have Derrick Rose, who could end up being as good as Wade, Boozer (comparable to Bosh when healthy), Noah, Deng, Taj Gibson is a good young talent, even Brad Miller and Pargo are better-than-average players off the bench. I also have doubts about Wade and James co-existing. They will both have to cut back their stats and share the spotlight. I think LeBron has the right intentions, to win, even if it requires taking less money and sharing the team...but I think he made the wrong choice. I expect Pay Riley to step back onto the sidelines, firing another coach when it looks like he could come in and get credit for success. I used to respect him a lot as a coach, but it seems he is only willing to coach when it looks like things are going good. When the team struggles, he steps back into an office job and lets some other temporary coach deal with the team and get the blame.[/quote] Lebron didn't take less money. Sure he took a smaller contract, but his take home pay will be higher. |
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Why not? We'd be singing to high heaven if the Wizards did what the Heat did last night. And I don't agree with this notion that there's no parity in the NBA, just because the Lakers have won back to back titles. What is parity anyway? Are we hoping that every team finishes 41-41?
On a related note, how crazy is it that Juwan Howard or even Kwame Brown may join the Heat. Howard's proven himself so if he got a ring at the end of his career with Miami much respect to him. But holy cow, how lucky would Kwame be? |
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[quote=SmootSmack;711691]Why not? We'd be singing to high heaven if the Wizards did what the Heat did last night. And I don't agree with this notion that there's no parity in the NBA, just because the Lakers have won back to back titles. What is parity anyway? Are we hoping that every team finishes 41-41?
On a related note, how crazy is it that Juwan Howard or even Kwame Brown may join the Heat. Howard's proven himself so if he got a ring at the end of his career with Miami much respect to him. But holy cow, how lucky would Kwame be?[/quote] I don't get all the Heat hateration for trying to get all these guys. Every team knew these guys were going to be available...they too could have cleared up cap space to get these guys. Suck it up and play to beat them. Oh and didn't every playoff team in the western conference have 50 wins last season? |
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[quote=saden1;711700]I don't get all the Heat hateration for trying to get all these guys. Every team knew these guys were going to be available...they too could have cleared up cap space to get these guys. Suck it up and play to beat them. Oh and didn't every playoff team in the western conference have 50 wins last season?[/quote]
Personally I don't hate the Heat for trying to sign all these guys. You know what good for them. One of my best friends is a Heat fan and I've got to be thinking that he has every right to feel good. Pat Riley deserves to be knighted for pulling this off. What I personally hate is everything that happened during this "process." In fact this has confirmed what I learned back in 2008 with the coaching search that when someone invokes the word process multiple times, chances are nothing good is going to come out of it. The show, the excuses, the collusion, the flat out ass kissing. And all to join a team that's frankly shouldn't even be allowed to exist. [quote=SmootSmack;711691]Why not? We'd be singing to high heaven if the Wizards did what the Heat did last night. And I don't agree with this notion that there's no parity in the NBA, just because the Lakers have won back to back titles. What is parity anyway? Are we hoping that every team finishes 41-41? On a related note, how crazy is it that Juwan Howard or even Kwame Brown may join the Heat. Howard's proven himself so if he got a ring at the end of his career with Miami much respect to him. But holy cow, how lucky would Kwame be?[/quote] Parity is when you're considered a legend for getting 3 or 4 rings, not 11. When I look at the NBA I see a very top heavy league. Just a personal preference, but it seems with the NBA once you're on the top it seems easy to stay there. On a separate note though I don't think I qualify as a basketball fan anymore. I have ZERO recollection of Lebron making it to the NBA Finals against the Spurs. Looks like I took 2007 off when it came to the NBA. Still to have no memory of that is shocking to me. Baseball I can understand but basketball? |
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[quote=Dirtbag359;711702]Personally I don't hate the Heat for trying to sign all these guys. You know what good for them. One of my best friends is a Heat fan and I've got to be thinking that he has every right to feel good. Pat Riley deserves to be knighted for pulling this off. What I personally hate is everything that happened during this "process." In fact this has confirmed what I learned back in 2008 with the coaching search that when someone invokes the word process multiple times, chances are nothing good is going to come out of it.
The show, the excuses, the collusion, the flat out ass kissing. And all to join a team that's frankly shouldn't even be allowed to exist.[/quote] Everything that happened during the process was definitely odious and frankly James came out looking like a little bitch. No matter what he does he will never been in the same class as Kobe or MJ IMO. If he wins it will be a cheap championship and a cheap ring. The way I see it James is helping Wade win another championship. Depending on what other players they sign this may not be a guarantee championship team. Neither Wade or James can hit the 3 on a consistent base...and if you ask me right now are they better than the Lakers I would have to say "maybe." The NBA is still a team sport and if the US Olympic team can lose so can a team with just 3 Olympians. Perhaps the NBA needs the franchise tag? I would support that. |
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I want to see how this works out in regular season vs. playoffs.
In all honesty, I don't think these triple headed monster is going to work. I think it will be good for some high flying dunks and amazing streaks of scoring (which will be enough to take 1st or 2nd in the east), but when it comes down to playoffs, how will it work out with 9 players being minimum contract players like Kwame Brown and Mike Miller. Better yet, what if one of them gets hurt? Who is going to replace the 40 minutes a game they will be using? I want to see how it will work. |
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