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Revenge is sweet until it bites you in the ass.

I think it's pretty cool that Shanahan punished him today... But it makes me wonder:
1) AH needs to be in practice and learn the 3-4. Each day he doesn't -- isn't good.
2) As has been mentioned, punishing a guy by telling him he can't work out with the team - is actually giving him a break.
3) After punishing AH and with an angry locker room -- how do we know he'll really play for us in games?? Can you *TRUST* him in the 4th quarter to stop Brandon Jacobs with one yard to go into our endzone? What if he just throws plays to get back at -- everyone?

Ideally, I'd like to punish and bruise him physically all training camp, and then get the virus out of our locker room by game 1. But he's too "good" and too expensive to trade without getting value.

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[quote=Smooter;715467]Lmao I love Kenny Powers.[/quote]

i'm going to sha booms!!!!!

after watching the news tonight they showed video of him running a few drills by himself with someone else either a coach or trainer not sure. does anyone know what he did after the failed test? did he just pack up and leave or did he stay at the park and train his brain?

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Are we all turning against each other over this?? The truth is MS is...the COACH. Fat Albert is...a player on the coaches team (for now). Respect your boss, get your fat ass out of the bathroom, suck it up for 21m and do your ****ing job! Please, someone offer me a fraction of his salary, I'll run till I puke non-stop.

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Shanny might just use this as his excuse to cut him or like someone said recoup some of the money back if this violates his contract. Maybe AH flunked it on purpose to get his fat arse out of DC somehow.

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[quote=Dlyne8r;715476]Are we all turning against each other over this?? The truth is MS is...the COACH. Fat Albert is...a player on the coaches team (for now). Respect your boss, get your fat ass out of the bathroom, suck it up for 21m and do your ****ing job! Please, someone offer me a fraction of his salary, I'll run till I puke non-stop.[/quote]


For a quarter of his salary I would live in the locker room and sleep in a sleeping bag for all OTAs and preseason workouts and would never miss a game unless truly messed up. I would play all downs also.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;715484]For a quarter of his salary I would live in the locker room and sleep in a sleeping bag for all OTAs and preseason workouts and would never miss a game unless truly messed up. I would play all downs also.[/quote]

Yup! And I'd drop kick anyone Shanny asked me to.

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I think I'm feeling multiple reasons for this.

I think I agree with the reasoning that even if Big Al had finished the third 300 yard shuttle, Shanny would've made him run a fourth. This was pretty much about Shanny enforcing a point, that he's the coach and he's in charge. But there may have been sub-motivations in play here too. Like maybe this was also Shanny's way of trying to clear any negative air the rest of the players might've had towards Haynesworth, as was previously mentioned in this thread. Once the players see a slimmer Haynesworth than they saw last year, and they know he came in early and still tried to pass the test they are more likely to accept him back into the locker room. I doubt he fails again tomorrow, simply because Shanny doesn't want him missing too many practice days because of how many he's missed already this year. I wouldn't be suprised if he only had to run 2 300 yard shuttles tomorrow, and since he was able to do it today he'll probably be able to do it tomorrow.

Either way this isn't that big of an issue, by all accounts players are saying that he looks better than he did at this point last year and this is probably more about Shanny putting the foot down than about how out of shape Haynesworth is (I don't believe he's out of shape either, he's probably in great shape for a DE/DT.)

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[quote=Dlyne8r;715476]Are we all turning against each other over this?? The truth is MS is...the COACH. Fat Albert is...a player on the coaches team (for now). Respect your boss, get your fat ass out of the bathroom, suck it up for 21m and do your ****ing job! Please, someone offer me a fraction of his salary, I'll run till I puke non-stop.[/quote]

I didn't know these coaches were as impeccable as God himself and that false propaganda is this god's lackey's conception of truth.

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video from tail end of his drills and then fan reactions to him

[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/07/29/10/Source-Haynesworth-Fails-Part-Of-Test/landing_v3.html?blockID=279717&feedID=6458]Haynesworth Will Attempt Test Friday[/url]

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;715490]I didn't know these coaches were as impeccable as God himself and that false propaganda is this god's lackey's conception of truth.[/quote]

What's with these posts of yours?

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/37507-haynesworth-fails-conditioning-test-post715458.html#post715458[/url]

No one is saying Shanahan is impeccable or infallible or even God, just saying, rightly so, that he's the man in charge.

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[quote=SmootSmack;715523]What's with these posts of yours?

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/37507-haynesworth-fails-conditioning-test-post715458.html#post715458[/url]

No one is saying Shanahan is impeccable or infallible or even God, just saying, rightly so, that he's the man in charge.[/quote]

The path of the righteous man, is beset on all sides by the inequalities of the selfish, and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and goodwill sheppards the weak through the valley of darkness. For he is truly his brothers keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with GREAT VENGEANCE and FURIOUS ANGER, those who attempt to poison and destroy my brother. AND YOU WILL KNOW...MY NAME IS SMOOTSMACK, WHEN I LAY MY VENGEANCE UPON THEE

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[quote=tryfuhl;715532]The path of the righteous man, is beset on all sides by the inequalities of the selfish, and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and goodwill sheppards the weak through the valley of darkness. For he is truly his brothers keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with GREAT VENGEANCE and FURIOUS ANGER, those who attempt to poison and destroy my brother. AND YOU WILL KNOW...MY NAME IS SMOOTSMACK, WHEN I LAY MY VENGEANCE UPON THEE[/quote]

Can I get an Amen?!

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wow, no wonder AH wants out.....I hate seeing those fans boo him. Even if I don't like AH...i'd never boo a human being for not signing an auto or two. i'm sure it'd be like this everywhere...well except Detroit...they don't have fans.

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[quote=SmootSmack;715536]Can I get an Amen?![/quote]

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v51/Nokari/Amen-Brother.jpg[/IMG]

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Anyone who is complaining about the way Shanny is going about this must have been cool with the way the inmates ran the asylum during Zorn's tenure. I really don't get it.

Does anyone think a guy like Belichick or Parcells would allow a player to pull the kind of crap that Albert has pulled and not run until they puked or crapped their pants? How about Lombardi or Halas?

Is Shanny's ego massive and potentially a huge liability? Absolutely. Just like nearly every other coach with SB rings (with the rare exception of a few guys, Gibbs included). That doesn't change the fact that there must be discipline, order, and an understanding of the consequences of crossing the line.

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[quote=tryfuhl;715532]The path of the righteous man, is beset on all sides by the inequalities of the selfish, and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and goodwill sheppards the weak through the valley of darkness. For he is truly his brothers keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with GREAT VENGEANCE and FURIOUS ANGER, those who attempt to poison and destroy my brother. AND YOU WILL KNOW...MY NAME IS SMOOTSMACK, WHEN I LAY MY VENGEANCE UPON THEE[/quote]

Can I get a Royale with Cheese? [IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon10.gif[/IMG]

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I do not like the fans booing the guy, but I can understand thier frustration with a guy making so much cash and speaking against the company that paid him that much.

As far as some of the other comments, this is Mike's team and he can do damn well as he pleases.

AH will get his but in gear and this will all die down. I also read a couple of comments from the coach stating that he and AH did not have any ill intended words and that AH was first class in the way he handledthe situation. I hope this dies down soon and we can move forward as the Washington Redskins not "The Mike Shanahan and Albert Haynesworth Show".

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Drama Queen Florio is of course having a field day with this

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/29/shanahan-admits-only-haynesworth-was-required-to-take-conditioning-test/]Shanahan admits only Haynesworth was required to take conditioning test | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;715600]Drama Queen Florio is of course having a field day with this

[URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/29/shanahan-admits-only-haynesworth-was-required-to-take-conditioning-test/"]Shanahan admits only Haynesworth was required to take conditioning test | ProFootballTalk.com[/URL][/quote]

This may seem weird but I could totally see Mike Florio sitting at his laptop getting ready to post this article on PFT, sitting there cackling and saying, "ahahaha, me, little mike florio, destroyer of all that is good for the nfl, getting ready to once again crush my arch enemy dan snyders' hopes of a good season with one article."

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[quote=Mattyk;715600]Drama Queen Florio is of course having a field day with this

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/29/shanahan-admits-only-haynesworth-was-required-to-take-conditioning-test/]Shanahan admits only Haynesworth was required to take conditioning test | ProFootballTalk.com[/url][/quote]

Yeah, the same ass-wipe that predicted the 'Skins would make it to the Super Bowl last year. Damn, wish he'd been right about something for that one time.

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[quote=SmootSmack;715523]What's with these posts of yours?

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/37507-haynesworth-fails-conditioning-test-post715458.html#post715458[/url]

No one is saying Shanahan is impeccable or infallible or even God, just saying, rightly so, that he's the man in charge.[/quote]

And that actions are beyond any sort of criticism whatsoever and subject to the "OMG, how could you criticize him?!" response It's all black and white. Everything Shanny does=good. Everything Al does=bad.

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[quote=mooby;715602]This may seem weird but I could totally see Mike Florio sitting at his laptop getting ready to post this article on PFT, sitting there cackling and saying, "ahahaha, me, little mike florio, destroyer of all that is good for the nfl, getting ready to once again crush my arch enemy dan snyders' hopes of a good season with one article."[/quote]

Is like does this ****er even like football? All he does is attack teams and report outlandish shit, or just enjoys reporting bad news. I wish Goodell would ban him from the NFL or something like that.

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The saga continues. Either way, if it is true only AH had to take the physical, it could mean Shanny is looking for any excuse to try and cut him and maybe get some of that money back for Danny. It could also mean the Shanny doesn't want to start AH as punishment to show AH who is in charge. Either way it is going to play out with AH shaping up or shipping out. To me we can't really lose all that much. Snyder just eats a helluva a lot of mullah though.

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It also can just mean AH still has an attitude and doesn't give a damn since he is still getting paid or he is just a big liar about staying in shape. Like I said before, the saga continues.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;715609]It also can just mean AH still has an attitude and doesn't give a damn since he is still getting paid or he is just a big liar about staying in shape. Like I said before, the saga continues.[/quote]

The whole thing is a big ego contest. AH did it by not showing up to OTAs, and now it's Shanny's turn. Once they get over this all of this will pass. Don't think there's anything more than that.

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[quote=Daseal;715445]Haynesworth did not act admirably during the offseason. At first, I was on his side. The trainers at Redskins park last year were terrible. I understand wanting to do your own thing to get into shape. Asking for the trade after a 21M pay day is ridiculous.

People are acting like a DT should have to run 3 300yard sprints. That's 9 football fields. Shanny said two because he didnt think Albert would ever finish them. When he did he found an excuse to fail him. Be the bigger man, bury the hatchet, and help a stud player assimilate into the team. Making him start with the 2nd string is enough -- he's obviously in shape -- start building a team instead of tearing one apart.[/quote]

These are exactly my thoughts.

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[quote=Hog1;715452]As far as I know MS has 90 or so guys towing the line drinking the Kool aid and deamin' the dream.....AND we have one unhappy Big Al....bucking the system?
[B]Team sports[/B] should not cater to the individual but rather reward the...team.
MS is sending a message. Hopefully Big can be intelligent enough to hear that there is [B]no....I[/B] in team? Man up, Take your lumps, move on......HTTR[/quote]


Exactly,what type of leader would MS be if he didn't do something,what would that say to the guys that have done all that is asked of them......for alot less money.

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[quote=JWsleep;715394]Look, it's Shanny's team, full stop. My guess is that AH took a bathroom break, and the coaches said fine, start over. And I bet they'd do that to any player, though AH certainly wasn't going to get special favors here.

What, should Shanny begin camp by giving AH special treatment because he's so good and such a key team player? **** that. I'm with Shanny 100% here.

I agree that this will be gone in a day or so, but the principle is clear: no special treatment for prima donnas. Those days are over. Time to become a good football TEAM![/quote]

I bet you next time AH takes this conditioning test he will take a dump or piss before the test.:Flush:

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[quote=murphy196;715453]I honestly can't believe that some of you guys on here are defending AH and blasting MS. The guy has to set an example to the team and it starts with AH. Yes, what he did was make damn sure that AH would fail the test to show him who the boss is.

The bottom line is that AH took too much time between the first and second run, so he had to do a 3rd.

If you guys want another Jim Zorn with the headset on, please move on b/c we've already found out that won't work around here. The bottom line is that if you cross the coach, you pay the price.[/quote]

It wasn't about crossing the coach it was about AH not being in good enough condition to pass the test. OTA's are not mandatory however if your under contract and the teams highest paid player you should be their for most of the OTA's. AH should have not taken the 21 million if he did not want to play here in the 3-4 defense. Ok so now he took the money and after his teammates, other NFL players and alum roasted him for not showing up to OTA's I think he see's the error in his ways. AH will be fine I think he will be a better player and teammate after this is all said and done.

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I'm just tired of hearing about Fatal Bert :D

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;715468]Big Al took a bathroom break because he was tired. He sensed that (unlike in a regular season game last season) if he laid on the field like a beached whale this time, a couple of trainers weren't going to come and help him off the field to a nice seat on the bench and give him some refreshing oxygen. So he had to think of something to do and the bathroom break idea came to him.

The only problem with Al's attempt to, once again, make a half-hearted effort and then quit is that the powerless nice guy, Jim Zorn, isn't the coach here anymore. Now the coach is the all-powerful prick, Mike Shanahan. So Big Al had to try again to do it the right way before he was allowed to quit for today. But, of course, that meant that he failed the test. So he'll have to take it over again and, if necessary, again and again until he learns to not quit.

Since there is no way that Mike Shanahan is ever going to give him a free pass, the next logical step for Big Al is to give up his lazy ways, work hard and pass the test, and then start practicing with the team.

The only problem here is that Big Al failed to pull a slick one on Shanahan. If and when Big Al decides to pay the price, he can be great. Some day, he may even thank Mike Shanahan for getting him started in the right direction.[/quote]

EXACTLY!!! And like stated below, it's doesn't matter how you "look", that doesn't mean you're in shape.

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This wasn't a personal attack on Haynesworth via Shanahan. I think Albert is a quitter, but he got excited and wanted to show off. If you think about what Jason Reid said versus the failed 2nd leg of the test. To me it's as simple as he really wanted to show everyone that he had been working out, so he went too hard on the first leg. Albert's not a runner, let's not kid ourselves. He has never had to learn the concept of holding a little in reserve.

I was an NCAA Division 1 cross country runner. I know that when i got to practice in the later summer, that first day i always ran way too hard in the first part of the workout. I was just excited to be there, and wanted to show off.

HE WILL PASS TODAY. The trainer would have told him to drink lots of water, and get a ton of sleep yesterday. And then this morning, eat some light carbs(bread), water again. And then don't try so hard on the first leg of the workout.

Ever since watergate, this town has been too quick to adopt conspiracy theories.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;715621]I'm just tired of hearing about Fatal Bert :D[/quote]

Damnit man! You just jinxed us. The only way to get rid of that unspeakable name is by never posting it again. Now someone's gonna come along and inevitably start using it again.

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[quote=skins89moss;715620][B]It wasn't about crossing the coach[/B] it was about AH not being in good enough condition to pass the test. OTA's are not mandatory however if your under contract and the teams highest paid player you should be their for most of the OTA's. AH should have not taken the 21 million if he did not want to play here in the 3-4 defense. Ok so now he took the money and after his teammates, other NFL players and alum roasted him for not showing up to OTA's I think he see's the error in his ways. AH will be fine I think he will be a better player and teammate after this is all said and done.[/quote]

Sorry to disagree, but it was absolutely about crossing the coach. MS was going to push AH, see if he was going to tow the line or simply come in and sluff. This is one of those situations, where [U]everybody[/U] knows how the game is played, and MS simply was putting an exclamation point on his position.

More importantly though, I am confident AH will pass today, and a new standard of discipline and expectations will have begun in earnest. (Is this really that different than when Marty came in and told DG he WILL be coached differently?) The point is when a new coach comes in, and he believes in a disciplinarian style, he is going to get his point across to all the players by picking certain battles. It seems to me like the team has bought in, and that we will see a far far better on field product because of it.

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[quote=mooby;715626]Damnit man! You just jinxed us. The only way to get rid of that unspeakable name is by never posting it again. Now someone's gonna come along and inevitably start using it again.[/quote]

Ha ha, I know. It's just that it's so bad it's hilarious, at least to me.

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CindyBoren

RT @RickMaese: [B]Did he visit restroom beforehand??[/B] RT @Mitch_Tischler: Haynesworth taking conditioning test now #Redskins 29 minutes ago via UberTwitter

touche!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;715637]Sorry to disagree, but it was absolutely about crossing the coach. MS was going to push AH, see if he was going to tow the line or simply come in and sluff. This is one of those situations, where [U]everybody[/U] knows how the game is played, and MS simply was putting an exclamation point on his position.

More importantly though, I am confident AH will pass today, and a new standard of discipline and expectations will have begun in earnest. (Is this really that different than when Marty came in and told DG he WILL be coached differently?) The point is when a new coach comes in, and he believes in a disciplinarian style, he is going to get his point across to all the players by picking certain battles. It seems to me like the team has bought in, and that we will see a far far better on field product because of it.[/quote]

Absolutely agree, MS is in his first year as the Redskins coach and he absolutely has to not only instill but enforce a new brand of discipline into the team as a whole. This particular line he has taken with Haynesworth is a battle he won't shy away from and shouldn't.

Bottom line, CRedskins said it best, he has to pick and choose his battles and this is one he absolutely should put his foot down on.

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Yes, it is an opportunity to set the parameters of discipline for the entire team. I still think that Haynesworth just overperformed on the 1st leg, and it cost him the 2nd leg. I don't think they would have failed him regardless, as so many people keep putting forth. It works in discipline's favor that he screwed up. I still think he's in good shape, and he will be minor distraction this year.

At the very least, he's still a quitter. He never finds a 2nd wind. We will me aggravated as he continues to blow up O-linemen 2 plays, and take 2 plays off. That's just who he is. I'm resigned to it.

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I guess I'm not buying the Shanahan would have failed him no matter what either. BUT, nor was he going to pass him just because he got 21Mill in Apr. Shanahan laid out a standard. Was it nit picky on purpose, yes. But the point is made, both to AH, and to the rest of the team, that there is a stated standard of execution and excellence that [U]everybody[/U] must meet to be considered a Washington Redskin.
For the players that showed up all off-season, they see that it paid off, both physically and in terms of team esprit de corps; and for AH, it should get him acclimated to Shanahan's bottomline.

I tend to believe that AH felt he did so well on the first that he proved himself, but the rules of the breaks were just guidelines. I am guessing he sees that slightly differently now.

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I applaud Shanny. AH is not special until he plays better than everyone else on the field, every play. He will either abide or be gone.

The Redskins can win without him, he would just be a distraction otherwise.