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[quote=SirClintonPortis;733529]Hey, surely fans know more than coaches on opposing teams for about telegraphing plays and holding the ball too long?


[url=http://www.raiderfans.net/forum/oakland-raiders-forum-message-board/168926-campbell-makes-o-line-look-bad.html]Campbell makes O-line look bad. - Oakland Raiders Forum | Message Board - Where the Raider Nation lives![/url]
[url=http://www.sacbee.com/2010/09/14/3027106/raiders-troubles-included-nerves.html]Raiders' troubles included nerves, one player says - Sacramento Sports - Kings, 49ers, Raiders, High School Sports | Sacramento Bee[/url][/quote]

Oh man those posts bring back memories...

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;733620]And he went to Auburn, I don't see why we are talking about him still. H e doesn't play for us anymore and we don't play them this year unless its the super bowl.[/quote]

Yep Auburn, another piss poor SEC school. ;)

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[quote=Chico23231;733933]Oh man those posts bring back memories...[/quote]

Fascinating how two fan-bases have the exact same arguments. It is like friggin' Groundhog day.

That pretty much seals the age-old argument for me.

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In looking back on all the QB's we tried to acquire to replace Campbell I think that talent wise Cutler is much better. However after considering the fact that we came up with a franchise LT and pass rusher as well as McNabb it's hard to argue against the string of events that caused us to loose out on the Cutler sweepstakes.

Sanchez was another bullet not because of the cost, but more so because of the fact that he seems to suffer from Dilfer-itis. Though that might be a product of playing under Rex Ryan who ironically was on a Super Bowl winning team with Dilfer.

Anyway it would seem to me that had Cutler been here under Shanahan he would have been successful. However considering the cost of two guys that might end up being the best in franchise history at their respective positions it's hard not to breathe a sigh of relief.

The only proposed trade of the Cerrato era that might have worked out for us would have been Ochocinco. And I say that because instead of Kelly, Davis, Thomas (of which Kelly and Thomas have yet to prove to be worthy of their draft status) we would have been better off today with Ocho. On top of that the conditional 3rd round would have likely remained a conditional third rounder after seeing the year he had in 2008.

Anyway hindsight is 20/20.

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eventually we'll stop caring about Campbell

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[quote=tryfuhl;734059]eventually we'll stop caring about Campbell[/quote]

How long was the mourning period for Ramsey? I imagine that Campbell's will be slightly longer.

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hell I don't know.. I was on ES for that and don't recall

maybe in a few years we'll get a JasonCampbell like we have a Gus

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[quote=Chico23231;733935]Yep Auburn, another piss poor SEC school. ;)[/quote]

lol being a LSU fan I am with u there

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[quote=tryfuhl;734080]hell I don't know.. I was on ES for that and don't recall

maybe in a few years we'll get a JasonCampbell like we have a Gus[/quote]

:laughing2

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Im done w JC lets move on folks. Were 1-0 with #5

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;733497]And a predictable snap count.[/quote]

[quote=Dirtbag359;733827]You can't see it but I'm shedding a tear of joy from reading your post. Either I'm passing on knowledge or great minds simply think alike.[/quote]
Didn't want to comment on this before re-watching the game, but the Titans CLEARLY had a snap advantage on Campbell. Of course, the problem was amplified by 1) being on the road, and 2) Mario Henderson can't seem to leave on the snap no matter what the pace is.

Time to earn your paycheck, Hue Jackson.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;734057]In looking back on all the QB's we tried to acquire to replace Campbell I think that talent wise Cutler is much better. However after considering the fact that we came up with a franchise LT and pass rusher as well as McNabb it's hard to argue against the string of events that caused us to loose out on the Cutler sweepstakes.

Sanchez was another bullet not because of the cost, but more so because of the fact that he seems to suffer from Dilfer-itis. Though that might be a product of playing under Rex Ryan who ironically was on a Super Bowl winning team with Dilfer.

Anyway it would seem to me that had Cutler been here under Shanahan he would have been successful. However considering the cost of two guys that might end up being the best in franchise history at their respective positions it's hard not to breathe a sigh of relief.

[B]The only proposed trade of the Cerrato era that might have worked out for us would have been Ochocinco.[/B] And I say that because instead of Kelly, Davis, Thomas (of which Kelly and Thomas have yet to prove to be worthy of their draft status) we would have been better off today with Ocho. On top of that the conditional 3rd round would have likely remained a conditional third rounder after seeing the year he had in 2008.

Anyway hindsight is 20/20.[/quote]
It's an interesting realization considering that that trade rumor was so universally despised compared to the others, and while the whole process reeks of outcome bias, I'd have to agree with you. We would have done more with Ochocinco here than either Thomas or Davis. And I like Davis.

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[quote=GTripp0012;734105]It's an interesting realization considering that that trade rumor was so universally despised compared to the others, and while the whole process reeks of outcome bias, I'd have to agree with you. We would have done more with Ochocinco here than either Thomas or Davis. And I like Davis.[/quote]

True, if you compare direct production at the position. Of course Ochocinco in 2008 means no Orakpo in 2009. Or whomever we would've selected at the spot around 20th, ha j/k

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[quote=Ruhskins;733477]He DOES have a SB ring. :cool-smil[/quote]

So you're saying we should bring back Brunell!? :eek:

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[quote=DynamiteRave;734122]So you're saying we should bring back Brunell!? :eek:[/quote]

I was talking about Chase Daniel.

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[quote=GTripp0012;734104]Didn't want to comment on this before re-watching the game, but the Titans CLEARLY had a snap advantage on Campbell. Of course, the problem was amplified by 1) being on the road, and 2) Mario Henderson can't seem to leave on the snap no matter what the pace is.

Time to earn your paycheck, Hue Jackson.[/quote]

I tell you, Jason can do no wrong in your eyes can he ?

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[quote=DynamiteRave;734122]So you're saying we should bring back Brunell!? :eek:[/quote]

We can't. Apparently Brunell doesn't exist anymore.

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/snowcap30/bru.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Buster;734283]We can't. Apparently Brunell doesn't exist anymore.

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/snowcap30/bru.jpg[/IMG][/quote]


He is trying to avoid his creditors.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;734391]He is trying to avoid his creditors.[/quote]

He can join Ladell Bettis and the Natinals.

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[quote=Ruhskins;734145]I was talking about Chase Daniel.[/quote]

I was being facetious. I meant it as, since Daniels has a ring... We should bring back Brunell.. He has one as well. :Smoker:

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Looks like JC is benched after 6 QTR's...
Do we still get the 4th round draft pick in 2012?
Or was it conditional?
Anyone know?

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[quote=aceinthehouse;736385]Looks like JC is benched after 6 QTR's...
Do we still get the 4th round draft pick in 2012?
Or was it conditional?
Anyone know?[/quote]

Lol at the idea of a 2012 4th round pick being conditional. Might as well have released him at that point. Anyway it looks like this is the beginning of the end when it comes to JC, starting NFL QB. From here on out he'll either be a nice backup or a UFL QB.

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Bruce Gradkowski's superior pocket presence is more valuable than Campbell's superior bodily attributes.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;736390]Bruce Gradkowski's superior pocket presence is more valuable than Campbell's superior bodily attributes.[/quote]

Poor Al Davis. He always gets let down by the big armed QB of his dreams (see JaMarcus and JC) and not only that, but it's always the guy with the popgun arm that saves the day (see Gannon and Gradowski).

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[quote=Dirtbag359;736394]Poor Al Davis. He always gets let down by the big armed QB of his dreams (see JaMarcus and JC) and not only that, but it's always the guy with the popgun arm that saves the day (see Gannon and Gradowski).[/quote]
I was considered crazy on here when I said Grads was better than Campbell way back when, even after I further qualified the claim by saying "only slightly better".

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;736398]I was considered crazy on here when I said Grads was better than Campbell way back when, even after I further qualified the claim by saying "only slightly better".[/quote]

I've had that feeling in the back of my head since we traded him, but whenever I thought about it I always came to the conclusion that the Raiders were better off with Campbell. Especially after all those glowing reviews were written about him during training camp.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;736398]I was considered crazy on here when I said Grads was better than Campbell way back when, even after I further qualified the claim by saying "only slightly better".[/quote]

I recall that.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;736400]I've had that feeling in the back of my head since we traded him, but whenever I thought about it I always came to the conclusion that the Raiders were better off with Campbell. Especially after all those glowing reviews were written about him during training camp.[/quote]

I was sure the Redskins would be better with Campbell as a Raider.

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Let me say it again,... the tape doesn't lie !

I thought he'd at least make it to 8 games though....poor lil tink tink !

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Just talked to my boy that's a big raiders fan & watched the game. He said that Campbell's stats weren't bad, something like 8-13, but he just couldn't get the offense going.

I said welcome to the JC experience! His stats are rarely "bad" & he doesn't throw picks, but for having such a strong arm you rarely get to see him use it cause he checks down so much. He's even slow in doing that.

I was and still am a fan of his, but I think T. Boswell's article in today's wash post about says it all; we haven't seen a qb performance like McNabb had yesterday in years in DC, definitely not from JC. Even his biggest game v. NO last year was marred by a late int.

He's good enough to always have a job & he might find success at some point, but Gradkowski has playmaking ability & the raiders need their qb to do a lot of improvising. That's never been JC's strength.

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Gradkowski still sucks.

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That may be true, but Gradkowski makes that team better and last season those guys played to Bruce. that's not the case with Campbell.

As we've said before, JC just didn't have that "it" factor that was necessary for success in the NFL.

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can we lock this yet?

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Multiple reports close to the Raiders suggest that Cable could have been out today had they lost. They completely switched up their offensive line, moving their center to left tackle to try and fix their terrible OL problem. It didn't work. Next desperation move: quarterback change.

Things were more efficient with Gradkowski in the game. Oakland stopped trying to run so many deep routes and just put the ball in the hands of Murphy and Heyward Bey with timing patterns, letting them do things after the catch. Gradkowski has timing down with those guys, whereas Oakland is clearly trying to make Campbell throw it aggressively down the middle of the field without protection.

In the context of winning the game, the halftime adjustments were exactly what they needed. Gradkowski played better than Campbell. But ultimately, Gradkowski nearly threw the game away in the final six minutes with a boneheaded interception, and while he plays as hard as any in the NFL, he's just not an NFL quarterback.

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Someone please tell me why on earth do we have a Campbell thread and another talking about how great the Bears and Jay Cutler are?

Who cares??

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[quote=Mattyk;736434]Gradkowski still sucks.[/quote]

Yeah, but at least he puts himself in a position to make a play (OR an incomplete pass :D) with his receivers because of his superior pocket awareness and pocket presence when he's about to get killed. Campbell can't even get the throw off because he is worse in those areas.

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It won't surprise me if Gradkowski starts next week. As someone else mentioned JC will have stats that look OK, but he simply doesn't make any plays, which is surprising cause he has playmaking skills.

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Cable prefers Gradkowski. Davis and Hue Jackson prefer Campbell. Jackson was hand picked by Davis to run his offense. If it comes down to a power struggle, who do you think is going to win out there?

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Al Davis always wins.

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[quote=GTripp0012;736511]Cable prefers Gradkowski. Davis and Hue Jackson prefer Campbell. Jackson was hand picked by Davis to run his offense. If it comes down to a power struggle, who do you think is going to win out there?[/quote]

Davis always wins. But Cable is right. Gradkowski does not look like a pro QB but he makes things happen out there. He reminds me of Jeff Garcia a little bit.