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How long is Hicks out?

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[quote=Coff;742950]My God, this thread has turned into everyone either bitching about the game, or bitching about people bitching about the game. How about we talk about the game?
Why did the Skins changed the approach to the running game in the second half?
How did Haynesworth appear to everyone?
Who are the real Redskins, the team we saw in the first half, or the team we saw in the second?[/quote]

I dont know if it was a changed approach...I hope and pray its the Oline starting to mesh and get the zone blocking system down. I really think it was more on the line than the Backs.

Haynesworth had his best game of the year, keep him in there. Now you talk about approach with your first question...on defense the different approach was evident. Funnel the passing plays to the underneath check down guys, played a more 4-3 along line, and only a couple blitzs the entire game. Haslett said "no big plays from Macklin and Jackson" which turned out to be the right approach.

The real Redskins? who knows, but if we can play D like that and run the ball like we did...we could be a wild card contender period

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[quote=12thMan;742968]If you guys haven't heard McNabb's post game locker room speech, please go somewhere and find it. This is the leader we've been missing for so long.[/quote]


The subtle dig he took at the Eagles at the end of the speech was priceless. There's nothing like outspoken interdivisional animosity.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;742967]I saw earlier you spoke of the LB adjustments. I missed much of the actual game (you know, the part where they were scoring). Where was Wilson playing? [B]Was it a Alexander on 1st & 2nd downs and Wilson on 3rd type of situation? [/B]Really missed it.

Love AC, but, when he is in coverage, it's like the D only has 10 guys on the field.[/quote]

Not necessarily, they mixed it up. Alexander even played some DT yesterday.

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[quote=12thMan;742968]If you guys haven't heard McNabb's post game locker room speech, please go somewhere and find it. This is the leader we've been missing for so long.[/quote]

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[quote=12thMan;742968]If you guys haven't heard McNabb's post game locker room speech, please go somewhere and find it. This is the leader we've been missing for so long.[/quote]

Found it. You're right - really good stuff: [url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/10/donovan_mcnabbs_post-game_spee.html?hpid=topnews]D.C. Sports Bog - Donovan McNabb's post-game speech[/url]

McNabb: "Everybody makes mistakes in their lifetime, and they made one last year. Thank you." Sweet.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;742969]How long is Hicks out?[/quote]

Don't quote me on this, but I think I heard he just had some food poisoning so he should be fine in a day or two

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[quote=12thMan;742965]I think Has is searching for different 'fits' on defense. Fat Al just might be the missing link afterall. As frustrated as I've been with this defense, I think they're starting to get better.

And yes, Carter needs to keep his hand in the dirt where it belongs.[/quote]

Let's not forget that Vick was out of the game and Kolb was terrible. I think the next two weeks is really going to tell if this defense is getting better.

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[quote=SmootSmack;742976]Don't quote me on this, but I think I heard he just had some food poisoning so he should be fine in a day or two[/quote]

Thanks.

On the LB stuff, I'll be interested to see the breakdown on that.

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I dont think anyone is unhappy with a win no matter how they come but again we watched as a 17 points just lingered there for 2 quarters just waiting to be overcome. Luckily Vick was out because it surely would have been a loss for us if he was in.

For those of us who are complaining, its because we want consistency and steady improvement. We still never know what to expect when the Skins take the field.

For those of you who have nothing to say but positives, Don't act like you're not equally frustrated. Because you're either frustrated or blind.

Skinsguy says give this team a year or two, By then we will need a new QB. We need to gel NOW!! I hope we do, but I don't see it happening any time soon.

"Give this team a year or two" I've heard that a year or two ago.

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[quote=44ever;742980]I dont think anyone is unhappy with a win no matter how they come but again we watched as a 17 points just lingered there for 2 quarters just waiting to be overcome. Luckily Vick was out because it surely would have been a loss for us if he was in.

For those of us who are complaining, its because we want consistency and steady improvement. We still never know what to expect when the Skins take the field.

For those of you who have nothing to say but positives, Don't act like you're not equally frustrated. Because you're either frustrated or blind.

Skinsguy says give this team a year or two, By then we will need a new QB. We need to gel NOW!! I hope we do, but I don't see it happening any time soon.

"Give this team a year or two" I've heard that a year or two ago.[/quote]

yeah in a year or two a lot of these guys are going to be out of the league.

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[quote=44ever;742980]I dont think anyone is unhappy with a win no matter how they come but again we watched as a 17 points just lingered there for 2 quarters just waiting to be overcome. Luckily Vick was out because it surely would have been a loss for us if he was in.

For those of us who are complaining, its because we want consistency and steady improvement. We still never know what to expect when the Skins take the field.

For those of you who have nothing to say but positives, Don't act like you're not equally frustrated. Because you're either frustrated or blind.

Skinsguy says give this team a year or two, By then we will need a new QB. We need to gel NOW!! I hope we do, but I don't see it happening any time soon.

"Give this team a year or two" I've heard that a year or two ago.[/quote]

44, luck didn't knock Mike Vick out of the game. Two hard hitting football players wearing burgundy and gold did. But I hear what you're saying. Let's just call it what it is, football.

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I really enjoyed that post game speech by McNabb. It HAS been a long time since the Redskins have had such a leader at the quarterback position. I just hope the 'skins can win a ring for him before he calls it quits.

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[quote=12thMan;742982]44, luck didn't knock Mike Vick out of the game. Two hard hitting football players wearing burgundy and gold did. But I hear what you're saying. Let's just call it what it is, football.[/quote]

I hear ya bro, But I would like to think we could win with Vick in is all Im saying. I dont think we would have this time.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;742962]So anything less than an assured Superbowl year means you can't be happy?Wow.

Is anyone here proclaiming this was a convincing, proof of greatness win? Of course the emperor has no clothes. Is anyone trying to dress this win up as the beggining of a new championship era? That it confirms we are playoff caliber team? I don't see anyone seriously saying this team is championship caliber. Rather, I see a bunch of hater's saying it doesn't prove anything, we were lucky, Sellers sucks, blah blah blah. Even if all those statements are true (which, btw, I pretty much believe they are) - so the F what?

WE BEAT THE EAGLES!! IN PHILLY!! CHOKE ON THAT EAGLES FANS!!!

Can you be happy we won? Not anything about next week. Or the week after. Just today. The day after we pulled out a win/survived a comeback from a division rival - in their house? That brings you no blind "I'll worry about next week tomorrow" happiness? Life is suffering interrupted by moments of joy my friend - enjoy the interruption. The suffering will begin soon enough.[/quote]
Two standards are what teams should be judged by: their likeliness to win the Super Bowl now, and how likely they are to develop into a contender in the future. They have barely any shot now, and they are a good 2-3 years from becoming a consistent contender.

Oh, so yes, I should view our team as elite and have no room to improve. Hence, should they collapse or go 8-8, I'll be utterly devastated. I already did that with the 6-2 start in 2008. I'm not falling for that again. Hell, I was optimistic this year, but the Rams pulled me down to reality again.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy about the win, but don't tell not to criticize anything when there is something to criticize. I document what the mirror shows me. If something is ugly in the mirror, that means a non-pleasing description. That said, those ****ing booers got their asses kicked.

And yes, I'm a a bit of a rationalist. I'm not that big a slave to my emotions. In fact, being deluded or mistaken is nearly a damn crime in my book, which why I don't like it when I hype up my perception of the team only to be smacked down again and again year after.

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[quote=44ever;742985]I hear ya bro, But I would like to think we could win with Vick in is all Im saying. I dont think we would have this time.[/quote]

I think what's kinda being missed in all of this, not by you per se, is that when Vick returns he's going to think twice, maybe three times, before taking off like that again. Unconfirmed rumors are saying he has three broken ribs, I doubt it but we won't be seeing him anytime soon that's for sure. Funny, Reid was looking like a genius by keeping Vick and starting him. Now he's back to his original choice in Kolb and the pressure is back on Philly.

Kolb just looks like a deer in the highlights. We did ourselves a huge favor by knocking Vick out of the game and bringing him back down to earth.

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[quote=44ever;742980]I dont think anyone is unhappy with a win no matter how they come but again we watched as a 17 points just lingered there for 2 quarters just waiting to be overcome. Luckily Vick was out because it surely would have been a loss for us if he was in.[/quote]

Not necessarily. The Redskins game planned for Vick all week long. And like someone said before, it wasn't luck that knocked Vick out of the game, it was two of our safeties.

[quote=44ever;742980]For those of us who are complaining, its because we want consistency and steady improvement. We still never know what to expect when the Skins take the field.[/quote]

We all want consistency and steady improvement. Whenever you have guys out with injury (Trent Williams...big blow to the OL, and Portis has been gimpy) it is going to cause a bit of a step backwards. If you look at the big picture, there has been much improvement. The Redskins are undefeated in their division....last year they didn't win a division game. The offense is already a world of difference compared to our offense from last year. There is plenty to be optimistic about.

[quote=44ever;742980]For those of you who have nothing to say but positives, Don't act like you're not equally frustrated. Because you're either frustrated or blind. [/quote]

See, I hate it when people posts stuff like this, because it's untrue. True, people in the past have told me that I am overly optimistic, but it's because I have been a life long fan (for nearly 30 years) and I am also a realist. I am very frustrated in Stephon Heyer, for instance. I am very frustrated with the way the defense gives up so many yards per game. I was just as frustrated as anybody about the Houston loss. But, I have to keep in mind that we are only four games into this season under this new regime.

[quote=44ever;742980]Skinsguy says give this team a year or two, By then we will need a new QB. We need to gel NOW!! I hope we do, but I don't see it happening any time soon.[/quote]

Yes, it is going to take time and unfortunately for you, you will just have to be patient. If we need a new QB by then, well, so be it, but I believe McNabb has more than two years left in his tank. I don't know how old you are, but back in the 80's, the Redskins stayed relatively consistent despite having to change QBs. It was because Gibbs had the team as a whole playing well enough to where he could develop other guys to step in and lead the team. Shanahan has been able to do the similar thing in Denver. So yes, it is going to take time whether if you like it or not.

[quote=44ever;742980]"Give this team a year or two" I've heard that a year or two ago.[/quote]

You here it because it's the truth. A lot of you fans want instant gratification, because it's the age in which we live in. Unfortunately, you have to learn patience.

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[quote=12thMan;742990]I think what's kinda being missed in all of this, not by you per se, is that when Vick returns he's going to think twice, maybe three times, before taking off like that again. Unconfirmed rumors are saying he has three broken ribs, I doubt it but we won't be seeing him anytime soon that's for sure. Funny, Reid was looking like a genius by keeping Vick and starting him. Now he's back to his original choice in Kolb and the pressure is back on Philly.

[B]Kolb just looks like a deer in the highlights[/B]. We did ourselves a huge favor by knocking Vick out of the game and bringing him back down to earth.[/quote]

Hahaha, He sure did man!

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OK Skinsguy, I'll wait. ;)

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[quote=44ever;742992]Hahaha, He sure did man![/quote]

No seriously, I really think there's [B]more [/B]pressure on Kolb now. First he had to replace one of the greatest QBs in the history of the Philly's franchise.

Then he get's benched in favor of a soaring Mike Vick and now he has to replace him. That's some pressure my friend.

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[quote=12thMan;742996]No seriously, I really think there's [B]more [/B]pressure on Kolb now. First he had to replace one of the greatest QBs in the history of the Philly's franchise.

Then he get's benched in favor of a soaring Mike Vick and now he has to replace him. That's some pressure my friend.[/quote]

I wasn't being sarcastic. I totally agree. I love the new drama they have created for themselves in Philly.

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[quote=44ever;742985]I hear ya bro, But I would like to think we could win with Vick in is all Im saying. I dont think we would have this time.[/quote]

Well we were up 14-0 before he left.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;742975]Found it. You're right - really good stuff: [URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/10/donovan_mcnabbs_post-game_spee.html?hpid=topnews"]D.C. Sports Bog - Donovan McNabb's post-game speech[/URL]

McNabb: "Everybody makes mistakes in their lifetime, and they made one last year. Thank you." Sweet.[/quote]

HOW THE HELL do you....not love McNabbs leadership.....HE has the ability to rally a team.
Gotta' love it!

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[quote=44ever;742993]OK Skinsguy, I'll wait. ;)[/quote]

If we stink it up the rest of the season and next season too, you're more than welcome to beat me up! :D:thumb:

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We have a new coach, new GM, new players, and a new QB on our team that stunk last year. It's going to take a little while. Those expecting to roll up 30 pts a game are unrealistic. We need several good drafts before this team is an upper tier team.

With all of that, to beat an NFC east team by 5 pts on the road? I'm happy.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;742975]Found it. You're right - really good stuff: [URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/10/donovan_mcnabbs_post-game_spee.html?hpid=topnews"]D.C. Sports Bog - Donovan McNabb's post-game speech[/URL]

McNabb: "Everybody makes mistakes in their lifetime, and they made one last year. Thank you." Sweet.[/quote]"This defines Team" and "the offense will pick it up and it starts with me" that is leadership, good stuff from McNabb.

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[quote=skinsguy;743009]If we stink it up the rest of the season and next season too, you're more than welcome to beat me up! :D:thumb:[/quote]

The Pessimist.

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[quote=SmootSmack;742844] .... It just took all the fun out of watching football.[/quote]

Watching Redskins football is supposed to be fun?
Damn, I've been doing it wrong 18 years :(

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My Anti-smackdowns:

AH: Looked like a very decent NT, even while getting held nearly every play.
Lorenzo: MVP! MVP!
McNabb: coaches didn't ask him to win the game, so he didn't have to. Did exactly what was asked of him (although please fall down inbounds when we want to kill the clock)
O-line: Some decent runs off the left (i.e. Heyer) side.
Cooley: good catch for TD obviously and some very good blocking too

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[quote=12thMan;742996]No seriously, I really think there's [B]more pressure on Kolb now.[/B] First he had to replace one of the greatest QBs in the history of the Philly's franchise.

Then he get's benched in favor of a soaring Mike Vick and now he has to replace him. That's some pressure my friend.[/quote]

No doubt and he sucks. He had Jackson so many times and either didn't see it or overthrew it.

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The top 3 missed "Smackdowns" that deserved to be laid:
1. Josh Bidwell- This dude is hot garbage. He must be Bruce Allen's golfing buddy or something because he should have never been signed. We had a probowl caliber punter last year and he needs to be resigned immediately.

2. Devin Thomas- There is no reason Joey Galloway should be on this team or in the starting lineup. DT needs to step it up and take his spot already. This is getting rediculous.
3. Rabach- He is the worst center in the league right now. How did he get an extension? He misses bad on blocks and 90% of the time I see him on the ground or being abused on the interior like a catholic school boy. Can he get some kind of push on run plays. It seems the RB's have to jump over his ass to get any kind of decent yardage.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;743090]The top 3 missed "Smackdowns" that deserved to be laid:
1. [B]Josh Bidwell- This dude is hot garbage. He must be Bruce Allen's golfing buddy or something because he should have never been signed. We had a probowl caliber punter last year and he needs to be resigned immediately.[/B]

2. Devin Thomas- There is no reason Joey Galloway should be on this team or in the starting lineup. DT needs to step it up and take his spot already. This is getting rediculous.
3. Rabach- He is the worst center in the league right now. How did he get an extension? He misses bad on blocks and 90% of the time I see him on the ground or being abused on the interior like a catholic school boy. Can he get some kind of push on run plays. It seems the RB's have to jump over his ass to get any kind of decent yardage.[/quote]


I have to agree this guy is awful. Where is Hunter Smith I thought we were re-signing.

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Hey guys, I'm posting today to eat CROW. After the Rams game, I posted some pretty depressing thoughts about this team and I seriously wondered how they would ever win another game this year. Now I don't know what to believe, other than to say WAY TO GO REDSKINS! 2-2 is not great, but if you would have said we were going 2-2 before the season started and said, pick the 2 teams you want our wins to be against.... Dallas and Philly are obviously the best two choices. Now, can this team beat the Packers or the Colts over the next two weeks? At this point I think anything could happen.

If you don't want to grow old before your time watching this team, just watch the final play of the game each week, because that is what the Skins are all about. Its never easy, but its always entertaining!

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[quote=diehardskin2982;743090]
3. Rabach- He is the worst center in the league right now. How did he get an extension? He misses bad on blocks and 90% of the time I see him on the ground or being abused on the interior like a catholic school boy. Can he get some kind of push on run plays. It seems the RB's have to jump over his ass to get any kind of decent yardage.[/quote]

Worst? How can you say that after the last game. I mean no doubt the fan base in general doesn't like him, but to say he's the worst Center in the league, or starting Center for that matter is a bit of an overstatement. Scout's Inc has him tied as the 18th best Center in the league. Sounds about right to me.

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[quote=Mattyk;742654]It is annoying how quiet things are after a win.[/quote]

Yeah,your right,I know im bad about it.Guess after a win your not nearly as frustrated and dont need to let them out pounding on the keyboard.There were a lot of frustrating things about this game but im not going to dwell on them,im going to enjoy this win against a team I didnt think we would beat{thank you Vick for leaving the game}.:food-smil

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[quote=Dirtbag359;743124]Worst? How can you say that after the last game. I mean no doubt the fan base in general doesn't like him, but to say he's the worst Center in the league, or starting Center for that matter is a bit of an overstatement. Scout's Inc has him tied as the 18th best Center in the league. Sounds about right to me.[/quote]

Didn't you get the memo? We always have the worst... everything.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;742641][B]ES using ATV -[/B] My nickname for Torrain was stolen without so much as acknowledging my creative genius. This is unforgivable.[/quote]

I have a better one Ryan "The Train" Torrain!....BAM

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Heyer. Sellers. McNabb. Rogers. Bidwell.

While it was ugly, a win is a win is a win, especially against a division foe. The Eagles had scored 20, 35, and 28 points in the prior 3 weeks, so 12 points is something for the defense to hang their hat on.

The execution was better this week than last, but isn't anywhere near where the Skins need to be. I think they are heading in the right direction, and the next 2 weeks will tell us how good this team really is.

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Yeah, the long snapping HAS to improve, and what is up with ATV dancing around instead of leveling guys?? Make the cut and go for christs sake.

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[quote=SmootSmack;742956]Hopefully Portis will ready to go next week. Love Torain, but Portis is the better all-around back in my opinion.[/quote]

Ummmmmm, who the hell was EVER disputing that? Whoever was needs to stop listening to Pink Floyd and swilling a gallon of vodka while sitting in a cold bathtub with slit wrists.............yeah.