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[quote=Buster;755892]Another good point...about the Depression.

We're in a severe recession. Unemployment is sky high. A few years ago, home ownership was at an all-time HIGH, now it's at an all-time LOW. Inflation is coming next year. Energy costs are rising. The "Healthcare" bill is costing people more money RIGHT NOW and giving no benefits. They're raising taxes dramatically in 2 months DURING A DEEP RECESSION. (tax rate hikes for everyone, reduction of child credits, re-reinstatement of inheritance/death tax, lower standard deduction, etc...all from expiring Bush tax cuts they refuse to extend). Then, the President wants to pass Cap-and-Trade, meaning higher energy costs on top of the current rate increases, plus higher food/product/service costs and less jobs...


Most of working America has realized that if we don't stop this President's agenda NOW, we'll be in a real Depression. Yes, the economy was struggling when he came into office, but he's done the exact OPPOSITE of everything that needs to be done. More spending AND higher taxes...taking over companies/banks, trying to detroy free markets, especially in healthcare/insurance fields, discouraging employers to hire more...it almost looks intentional.[/quote]

Buster, with all due respect homie, this isn't lining up with the economic data that we're seeing and have seen over the past twelve months. This is the fastest post recession recovery we've seen in a generation or better. How we go from here back to a Depression is beyond me. The auto companies have returned to viability, TARP has been repaid with interest [I]and [/I]at a profit to the taxpayer. You know that, right? You can't cut corners when you inherit such an economy as Obama did. You have to spend and cut taxes. You know he's done that too, right?

What's troubling coming from, what I believe to be, reasonable people like yourself, GMScud (hell, I'll throw in Firstdown) and others is had we elected John McCain, the size of his stimulus program would have been very comparable in scope to Obama's. Definitely scaled down some, but he would have had to do something nonetheless. The bank bailouts weren't even optional, so I wont' go there.

I'm not economic prognosticator, but let's see how things play out over the next 12-24 months. I think the economy will be better off and not worse.

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[quote=Buster;755895]Sure seems like it to me....Boxer and JERRY BROWN? He's already failed once!




I have to ask...what were you New Yorkers thinking, reelecting Schumer (tax deadbeat, well-known criminal) again? I noticed Long Island went Republican, so I have to assume NYC did this...living in their own world.[/quote]

Chuck is no saint but he's very popular, he's high profile and does a lot of good work at the local level, and his opponent frankly was a joke.

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[quote=firstdown;755929]I don't smoke but I would like to see it get over turned on a federal level.[/quote]

Why? I thought you were a less gov't guy? I'd rather the states be left top decide on their own what their residents can and can't do.

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[quote=saden1;755940]I believe The Daily Mail is a tabloid newspaper. Sources said indeed. I am curious, do you guys really lack the necessary analytical skills to see how absurd this claim is? Has it also occurred to you that it is incumbent upon the host nation to pay for most of the security costs?

You guys are amazing.[/quote]

Glad to see you're loving life up there in that cloud. No worries, no reality.

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[quote=Mattyk;755960]Chuck is no saint but he's very popular, he's high profile and does [B]a lot of good work at the local level[/B], and his opponent frankly was a joke.[/quote]

W.A.M. I get it.

Must be the same thing for Barney Frank, who is one of the major reasons for the housing crisis and this whole economic crash....but he brings home the bacon I guess.

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wam?

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[quote=FRPLG;755985]Why? I thought you were a less gov't guy? I'd rather the states be left top decide on their own what their residents can and can't do.[/quote]

First the federal goverment has to remove their law making it illegal then the states can decide if they want to make it legal or illegal.

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[quote=Mattyk;756000]wam?[/quote]


Walking Around Money

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[quote=Buster;755991]Glad to see you're loving life up there in that cloud. No worries, no reality.[/quote]


It's breezy here on cloud one, how is it up there on your cloud? Can you see heaven from there?

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[quote=12thMan;755948]Buster, with all due respect homie, this isn't lining up with the economic data that we're seeing and have seen over the past twelve months. This is the fastest post recession recovery we've seen in a generation or better. How we go from here back to a Depression is beyond me. The auto companies have returned to viability, TARP has been repaid with interest [I]and [/I]at a profit to the taxpayer. You know that, right? You can't cut corners when you inherit such an economy as Obama did. You have to spend and cut taxes. You know he's done that too, right?

What's troubling coming from, what I believe to be, reasonable people like yourself, GMScud (hell, I'll throw in Firstdown) and others is had we elected John McCain, the size of his stimulus program would have been very comparable in scope to Obama's. Definitely scaled down some, but he would have had to do something nonetheless. The bank bailouts weren't even optional, so I wont' go there.

I'm not economic prognosticator, but let's see how things play out over the next 12-24 months. I think the economy will be better off and not worse.[/quote]

You must get all your news about Obama from his web site. Not all the tarp money has been paid back.

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[quote=firstdown;756043]You must get all your news about Obama from his web site. Not all the tarp money has been paid back.[/quote]

Haha...no, I actually don't visit Obama's website. Does he even have one? Or are you referring to the White House website.

Anyway, the part that has to do with banks has been largely paid back. Has every cent of it, no so you got me there.

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[quote=12thMan;756086]Haha...no, I actually don't visit Obama's website. Does he even have one? Or are you referring to the White House website.

Anyway, the part that has to do with banks has been largely paid back. Has every cent of it, no so you got me there.[/quote]

Not sure how much of the money has been paid back but thats not really why I don't like Obama. For me it goes back to the Dems think goverment is the solution to all problems and I think goverment is to big and causes too many problems. I don't view yesterday as any type of victory until I see a change to reduce goverment. I would actually like to see both parties run out of DC and a fresh new start but I don't think that will happen.

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[quote=firstdown;756099]Not sure how much of the money has been paid back but thats not really why I don't like Obama. For me it goes back to the Dems think goverment is the solution to all problems and I think goverment is to big and causes too many problems. [B]I don't view yesterday as any type of victory until I see a change to reduce goverment. I would actually like to see both parties run out of DC and a fresh new start but I don't think that will happen.[/B][/quote]

this.

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[quote=saden1;755940]I believe The Daily Mail is a tabloid newspaper. Sources said indeed. I am curious, do you guys really lack the necessary analytical skills to see how absurd this claim is? Has it also occurred to you that it is incumbent upon the host nation to pay for most of the security costs?

You guys are amazing.[/quote]New Dehli TV reports the same thing.

In light of the security situation in the region, might have been smarter to have a smaller contingent (leave Michelle at home) or have the folks from Mumbai come here where we've got far more control. India is a critical ally, but $200M a day ain't chump change.

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[quote=firstdown;756099]Not sure how much of the money has been paid back but thats not really why I don't like Obama. For me it goes back to the Dems think goverment is the solution to all problems and I think goverment is to big and causes too many problems. I don't view yesterday as any type of victory until I see a change to reduce goverment. I would actually like to see both parties run out of DC and a fresh new start but I don't think that will happen.[/quote]

Well I can tell you that Obama doesn't think government is the solution to all problems. In fact, I don't think he believes that government is the solution to most of our problems. But that's neither here nor there as I'm sure you'll believe otherwise even if the man was standing right in front of you saying it in six different languages.

What he believes (why do I feel like I'm constantly defending Obama when all I'm really trying to do is clarify and debunk myths) is that government needs to expand in some areas and needs to be reduced [drastically] in some areas. It's not an either or proposition, I think it's this and that. We can't just slice government to the bone to satisfy our ideology and political point of view.

The quality of life of the average American would be impacted in a negative way if we had less firemen, fewer police officers to keep our streets safe. What if we didn't regulate and properly inspect our meats, produce, and dairy products, as well as over the counter drugs that make us well and reduce visits to the doctor's office? How about if we suddenly did away with the EPA, an agency started by Richard Nixon, how do we then implement environmental laws and safety standards that big business must comply with? How can we have a safe enviornment in which in our children and ederly citizens live, breath, and lead healthy lives? I don't know about you, but I think that's the role of government. With the growing threat of terrorism everyday from every corner of the globe, should Congress reduce the size or do away with Homeland Security; The agency charged with protecting our borders and making us less vulnerable to terrorists threats? I'm not making an argument for big government, I'd just like to know what people mean when they say 'reduce' the size of government. Again, what's the prescribe policy to achieve this?

Shall we subscribe to the Rand Paul and Ron Paul school of thought, where they would like to abolish the Department of Education and the Federal Reserve? Or do we need more regulation to govern our equity and bond markets to ensure Joe Investor doesn't get burned by Enron, AIG, and Lehman Brothers sending a ripple effect around the world?

What's the happy medium here?

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Should government not be concerned with the welfare of our ocean and sea life, as well as the livelyhood of the hard working Americans who live in the Gulf Coast region when oil companies get careless and are more concerned with profits than safety? Who's going to protect the little guy, who by the way is still getting back on his feet from Katrina, when BP is gushing millions of gallons of oil in our waters and onto our beaches for an entire summer?

Should we trust big oil to clean up the mess and govern themselves or should Big Brother to be there with, at times, a heavy hand to ensure that foreign and domestic companies are playing by the rules?

I'll take the EPA with all of it's warts everyday of the week in that scenerio.

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[quote=Buster;755992]W.A.M. I get it.

Must be the same thing for Barney Frank, who is one of the major reasons for the housing crisis and this whole economic crash....but he brings home the bacon I guess.[/quote]


That's true, Barney Frank himself was the reason for the housing crisis. Not the slow attrition of the Glass-Steagal act; that certainly had nothing to do with it. It was all Barney Frank.

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[quote=saden1;755940]I believe The Daily Mail is a tabloid newspaper. Sources said indeed. I am curious, do you guys really lack the necessary analytical skills to see how absurd this claim is? Has it also occurred to you that it is incumbent upon the host nation to pay for most of the security costs?

You guys are amazing.[/quote]

[url=http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/34-warships-sent-from-us-for-obama-visit-64459]34 warships sent from US for Obama visit[/url]

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[quote=mlmpetert;756166][URL="http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/34-warships-sent-from-us-for-obama-visit-64459"]34 warships sent from US for Obama visit[/URL][/quote]

He's visiting a region hit by a terrorist attack in the not-so-distant future (hotel bombing a few years ago, still unstable region). He's taking more warships than EVER used by a President on a trip, booking an ENTIRE hotel and shutting down all business in the area for 3 days, taking 3,000 people along...FOR WHAT REASON? It's costing US $2 billion! For what reason are we putting the safety and security of our President at risk? This is not a trip he should be making for the regional danger alone...and this is coming from someone who would rather see him leave office...but he's our President and he does need to be safe regardless of political and idealogical disagreements. On top of this, it's a trip he's canceled TWICE already, so his itinerary may already be out there! Really smart. The hosts may already know his movements and whereabouts. This is extremely risky.

According to the White House, he wants to "experience the festival of lights".


Hopefully we can impeach him before he loses his election. He and his wife are single-handedly bankrupting us on their vacations and shopping alone. He is just completely out of touch with reality, especially when it comes to economics and responsibility. He thinks he can do anything he wants and won't have any dangers or consequences.




Even in the Cold War with Reagan and Gorbechev, we didn't need that many warships. We probably didn't use that many warships in Yalta for the WWII conference with FDR, Chruchhill and Stalin. This man literally thinks he's the most important man in the world at all times. :pffff:

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[url=http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/obamas-wanted-to-celebrate-diwali-in-india-64177]Obamas wanted to celebrate Diwali in India[/url]


Apparently, people in India do not want him to come either....check out these comments from The Times of India:

[url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/US-bomber-aircrafts-to-escort-Obamas-plane-in-Mumbai/articleshow/6871962.cms]US bomber aircrafts to escort Obama's plane in Mumbai - The Times of India[/url]

There are also concerns being voiced over there that because he's literally shutting down a part of the city and all of the businesses, that some business owners aren't going to be able to feed their families that week.


More details from Indian sources:

[url=http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/obamas-visit-under-siege-in-south-mumbai-64344]Obama's visit: Under siege in south Mumbai?[/url]

"For residents and shopkeepers, this clampdown coming in peak season is definitely not good news. A street vendor on Colaba causeway, a paradise for shoppers, tells NDTV, "This is the Diwali weekend when we can make money. But we have been told to shut shop.We have no problem with his visit. But why should it affect our business?"


[url=http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/mani-bhavan-where-obama-will-stop-on-saturday-64474]Mani Bhavan: Where Obama will stop on Saturday[/url]

[url=http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/the-mumbai-students-wholl-have-an-obama-diwali-63805]The Mumbai students who'll have an Obama diwali[/url]
[url=http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/34-warships-sent-from-us-for-obama-visit-64459]34 warships sent from US for Obama visit[/url]

[url=http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/force-one-inspect-venues-of-obamas-visit-64260]Force One inspect venues of Obama's visit[/url]

[url=http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/obama-visit-full-security-rehearsal-in-mumbai-tomorrow-64301]Obama Visit: Full security rehearsal in Mumbai tomorrow[/url]

[url=http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/mumbai-gateway-jetty-to-be-shut-during-obamas-visit-64062]Mumbai: Gateway jetty to be shut during Obama's visit[/url]

[url=http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/us-sniffer-dog-khan-has-its-own-passport-64193]US sniffer dog 'Khan' has its own passport[/url]
Dogs need passports now?




[url=http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/mumbai-auto-enthusiasts-await-barack-mobile-c1-63832]Mumbai: Auto enthusiasts await Barack Mobile C1[/url]



Oh and current events in the area:

[url=http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/razor-attack-on-mumbai-teen-at-kurla-station-63951]Razor attack on Mumbai teen at Kurla station[/url]

[url=http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/congress-attacks-rss-for-involvement-in-terror-63969]Congress attacks RSS for involvement in terror[/url]

[url=http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/another-arrest-in-ajmer-blast-case-64425]Another arrest in Ajmer blast case[/url]

[url=http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/five-arrested-for-heckling-separatist-in-jammu-64410]Five arrested for heckling separatist in Jammu[/url]

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[quote=mlmpetert;756166][URL="http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/34-warships-sent-from-us-for-obama-visit-64459"]34 warships sent from US for Obama visit[/URL][/quote]

My analytical skills are suggesting that if ythe host nation writes a check for this........it bounces.....and maybe the U.S as well?

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[quote=Buster;756194] This man literally thinks he's the most important man in the world at all times. :pffff:[/quote]
[url=http://www.forbes.com/profile/barack-obama]Forbes - Barack Obama[/url]

Number 2 "most powerfull".


This is a complete waste of money.

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[quote=12thMan;755948]this isn't lining up with the economic data that we're seeing and have seen over the past twelve months. [B]This is the fastest post recession recovery we've seen in a generation or better.[/B] How we go from here back to a Depression is beyond me. The auto companies have returned to viability, TARP has been repaid with interest [I]and [/I]at a profit to the taxpayer. You know that, right? You can't cut corners when you inherit such an economy as Obama did. You have to spend and cut taxes. You know he's done that too, right?[/quote]Not sure what numbers you're looking at, but unemployment is almost 10%, housing is in the crapper, the Fed Reserve is printing another TRILLION, the Fed Gov't is spending like a drunken sailor just off a 6 month cruise, small businesses all over are getting crushed, and retailers are bracing for a horrible holiday season.

If the car companies are getting back to viability, it's because they're being forced to. And what did they do to become profitable....spend more....no, they cut costs and became more efficient. Why can't the Fed do that?

Big businesses are hoarding cash right now, they're not expanding or creating jobs due to the uncertainty of over-regulation and potential taxation from a D controlled Congress. Will this ease once the new Congress is seated and businesses see the Rs have enough power to stop the Obama-genda, that remains to be seen. If businesses start opening up knowing that we've got gridlock for at least two years, it should help the economy and Obama has a chance in 2012. If businesses still hold back, unemployment stays where it is, and the economy is still struggling.....it'll be another bloodbath for the Ds in 2012.

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I don't see anything wrong with him and his wife making this trip. It's the 2998 other people who could have been pared down a bit. It must feel like being an Emperor at times, the way any president is treated nowadays. I imagine Obama will become quite the statesman once he leaves office (unless of course, we get rid of that pesky two term thing)

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Was this such a big deal when W locked down the same Sheraton hotel in Delhi for his 3 day visit in 2006 (less than 6 months after the Oct. 2005 blasts there)?

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[quote=Hog1;756215]My analytical skills are suggesting that if ythe host nation writes a check for this........it bounces.....and maybe the U.S as well?[/quote]


Well we are currently printing 800 billion more dollars to increase our monitized debt to 2.5 trillion-ish. So that 200 million (or what ever it is) a day will actually be more like 160 million in today's dollar.

Ben Bernanke (who im usually in agreement with,and a overall fan of) said it best:

"The U.S. government has a technology, called a printing press, that allows it to produce as many U.S. dollars as it wishes at essentially no cost."

[url=http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a8R_nSQd9wKU]Bernanke Playbook Gives Hints on Fed's Next Moves: Mark Gilbert - Bloomberg[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;756230]Was this such a big deal when W locked down the same Sheraton hotel in Delhi for his 3 day visit in 2006 (less than 6 months after the Oct. 2005 blasts there)?[/quote]

It is a big deal regardless of who is minding the purse strings....or should be.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;756228]Not sure what numbers you're looking at, but unemployment is almost 10%, housing is in the crapper, the Fed Reserve is printing another TRILLION, the Fed Gov't is spending like a drunken sailor just off a 6 month cruise, small businesses all over are getting crushed, and retailers are bracing for a horrible holiday season.

If the car companies are getting back to viability, it's because they're being forced to. And what did they do to become profitable....spend more....no, they cut costs and became more efficient. Why can't the Fed do that?

Big businesses are hoarding cash right now, they're not expanding or creating jobs due to the uncertainty of over-regulation and potential taxation from a D controlled Congress. Will this ease once the new Congress is seated and businesses see the Rs have enough power to stop the Obama-genda, that remains to be seen. If businesses start opening up knowing that we've got gridlock for at least two years, it should help the economy and Obama has a chance in 2012. If businesses still hold back, unemployment stays where it is, and the economy is still struggling.....it'll be another bloodbath for the Ds in 2012.[/quote]

This.

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[quote=Hog1;756234]It is a big deal regardless of who is minding the purse strings....or should be.[/quote]

Maybe I should have phrased it differently...would certain people have made such a big deal if...

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[quote=SmootSmack;756230]Was this such a big deal when W locked down the same Sheraton hotel in Delhi for his 3 day visit in 2006 (less than 6 months after the Oct. 2005 blasts there)?[/quote]

I would feel the same way no matter who is in office at the time. I do not recall the trip Bush took so I'm guessing it must not have been close to 200 million per day. The problem is Obama says he knows how bad people are hurting but they have a history of these expensive outings. This one more so on the tax payers.

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[quote=SmootSmack;756243]Maybe I should have phrased it differently...would certain people have made such a big deal if...[/quote]

No, but other certain people would have. The "beauty" of our system if one side don't getcha the other side certainly will.

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[quote=SmootSmack;756243]Maybe I should have phrased it differently...would certain people have made such a big deal if...[/quote]

......doubtful

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[quote=SmootSmack;756243]Maybe I should have phrased it differently...would certain people have made such a big deal if...[/quote]

I'm tired of any and all goverment officials spending tax payers money as if it grows on trees. That's from the federal goverment to the local city employee.

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Didnt AIG pay back all the money with interest?

Isnt GM doing an IPO to the tune of 13 mil in the next few days that is going to payback most of the "taxpayers" money?

My 401k went from being cut in half during the Bush admin to now making over 20% returns.

Hasnt the stock market rebounded quicker and stronger than anyone thought? Check our "predict how low the dow jones will go" thread for how you thought the SM was going to tank and compare that to what really happened?

im not saying we are clear of economic troubles but the economy has come a long way in just 2 years.

the dems did a poor job of spearheading these mid-term elections. instad of standing by the pres and the bailouts, they tried to distance themselves.

that and the large dem voting block that is the 20 somethings dont come out and vote in numbers for the less sexy mid-term elections than they do when they get to vote on a president.

now back to hatin ya'll!

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[quote=mlmpetert;756232]Well we are currently printing 800 billion more dollars to increase our monitized debt to 2.5 trillion-ish. So that 200 million (or what ever it is) a day will actually be more like 160 million in today's dollar.

Ben Bernanke (who im usually in agreement with,and a overall fan of) said it best:

"The U.S. government has a technology, called a printing press, that allows it to produce as many U.S. dollars as it wishes at essentially no cost."

[URL="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a8R_nSQd9wKU"]Bernanke Playbook Gives Hints on Fed's Next Moves: Mark Gilbert - Bloomberg[/URL][/quote]

First inflation we'll see = 5% rise in cost of FOOD. (per General Mills execs and those in food industry) They've already been suppressing price increases for 2 years just to try to keep customers.

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[quote=SmootSmack;756230]Was this such a big deal when W locked down the same Sheraton hotel in Delhi for his 3 day visit in 2006 (less than 6 months after the Oct. 2005 blasts there)?[/quote]

There is NO comparison in cost, timing or overall ridiculousness of the trip.

If he wants to see the festival of lights, look on Youtube like the rest of us. The Obama's arrogant spending and lavish vacations/shopping sprees during this recession is only going to create more and more animosity against him.

2012 is a lost cause for him, and his party.

For those who like to compare vacations of President Bush and Obama, keep him mind, most of President Bush's vacations were back to his own ranch at no cost (other than required security) and he almost always made them working vacations with foreign leaders coming to meet with him there.

We pay for Camp David as a retreat for the President when he needs to get away from the WH. This President refuses to use it, but we're still paying for it, PLUS his excessive travel plans.

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Yup, the guy goes on vacations. [I]There[/I] is a reason to can him

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Well I can't speak to the cost. But there most definitely is a comparison to the timing and "overall ridiculousness" of the trip

I don't expect you to have any understanding or appreciation of "the festival lights" since it's not an American holiday

Do you not think that Obama also meets with foreign leaders on his vacations? As Nancy Reagan once said "Presidents don't take vacations, they just have a change of scenery"

And what do you mean he never goes to Camp David? He's been there about 8 times the last two years. Maybe it's not the 150 or so times Bush went, but it's not like he never goes

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[quote=firstdown;756257]I'm tired of any and all goverment officials spending tax payers money as if it grows on trees. That's from the federal goverment to the local city employee.[/quote]

Most local gov'ts waste a lot less money than you think. In general they are operating at a much higher efficiency than either the states or the federal gov't Remember when they come pick up your trash or you flush the toilet a local gov't is making that happen. I'd be happier if half of my taxes I pay the federal gov't went to my local gov't instead. At least there I can identify more easily what my money gets spent on. Of course I work for a local gov't so my perspective is skewed. But I know in our case there is not a lot of waste. The community around here gets a good level of service for their money.

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[quote=FRPLG;756297]Most local gov'ts waste a lot less money than you think. In general they are operating at a much higher efficiency than either the states or the federal gov't Remember when they come pick up your trash or you flush the toilet a local gov't is making that happen. I'd be happier if half of my taxes I pay the federal gov't went to my local gov't instead. At least there I can identify more easily what my money gets spent on. Of course I work for a local gov't so my perspective is skewed. But I know in our case there is not a lot of waste. The community around here gets a good level of service for their money.[/quote]

So your not at work when you post here. LOL