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I don't know about Shanny. First they send these conflicting BS answers two days in a row, then they bring in JaMarcus Doughboy Russell. Forget what's routine during the bye week, this is no way to treat your star quarterback, whom this organization has invested a lot in terms of hitting the reset button for the next 2-3 years.

It just seems much of this could have been avoided and Shanny just keeps pushing the pedal to the floor making matters more controversial. So you're telling me that Donovan McNabb, who trains in Arizona religiously during the offseason to get in shape and mentally sharp, suddenly has cardio conditioning issues? Nevermind that he had earlier ripped two long runs from scrimmage, one for 36 yards.

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I'm insane at the moment. If McNabb is out of shape What the hell can JRussell do??? Why are we the team that looks at him? How is it Campbell goes to Oakland and we look at Russell? Question is do you think the Raiders are going to have a better record? Thats alarming. At least it took till week 9 for the season to be over this year.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/02/redskins-kick-tires-on-10-players-in-all-including-five-former-first-rounders/]Redskins kick tires on 10 players in all, including five former first-rounders | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

Might be worth another thread....

re: Skins work out JaMarcus Russell (and a bunch of other free agents)
 

It could just be a favor to his agent, showing other teams that he is at least getting a look. Neither Jabarcus or Losman are going to be signed to start in front of McNabb or even Grossman. This is more of a look at a 3rd string QB. Beck vs. former starting QBs and 1st round draft picks.

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Kudos Shanahan. You start a fire the week before the bye week and then pour a gallon of gasoline on it.

This team is so effed up.

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[url=http://www.footballnewsnow.com/2010/jamarcus-russell-he-aint-heavy-hes-my-redskin/]JaMarcus Russell: He Ain’t Heavy, He’s My Redskin?[/url]

Apparently, he's 30lbs heavier than Orakpo.

lol to the dude who thought there was hope for him. Now where is that Bang! Cartoon where he was sitting on a couch eating chips and then burped...

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Jamarcus could lose more weight, but honestly at 6 ft 6 and 286lbs, he is at least 30 pounds less than he weighed with Oakland, and is probably only about 20 pounds out from being seriously fit for a guy his size.

Nobody on here has questioned Russell's skillset. He has the biggest arm in the NFL and probably is one of the toughesst QBs, but it was all mental with him, and if he is in better mental shape, which it sounds like he is, then he could still turn into a great quarterback.

If he is signed, I want him to do nothing else but try and get good workout habits in his mind, and for him to do as much as he can to learn the offense. If he is a quick learner, then he may be ready to be the #2 by the very end of the season. He could possibly see playing time even at #3 QB if we are totally out of the playoff picture and playing in meaningless games.

If Russell somehow works out here, then I hope that nobody even thinks about starting him until at least 2012, and unfortunatley, Shanahan might not even be here still, so it wont matter.

I'm all for signing JR if Shanahan believes in him and thinks that he can reclaim what should have been a great QB...

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Tye Hill sounds interesting if he can pass a physical. Bucannan has been playing pretty good in the last 2 games, but depth is always nice

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What a disasterous season. Shanahan and Allen, is this part of the plan?

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I don't understand how people are about to burst into flames over a workout.. I'm no Russell fan and I kinda hope we don't do anything more than just conduct a workout with him but geez, wait till we sign the guy to call the season a bust and claim that Shanahan has no faith in McNabb.

You'd think Spurrier was still coaching the team and we were about to play QB carousel for the rest of the season again by the way people are acting. :doh:

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Don't we need rb's? Atm we are fine at qb.

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Can Russell play center or guard? Last I heard, his weight was nearly 290 lbs.

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Going to repost this link just to reiterate that this wasn't some knee-jerk reaction to McNabb. The interest in at least seeing him has been there since July.

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/716139-post209.html[/url]

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Kinda funny how we like to blast the media for making mountains out of molehills at times.

And then a thread like this comes along.

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[quote=Schneed10;755629]Do the Colts or Patriots do this?[/quote]

No, that's why they are winning franchises on a consistant basis. They wouldn't have brought in Shanny to coach their teams either.

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[quote=dread-skin;755633]i'm insane at the moment. If mcnabb is out of shape what the hell can jrussell do??? Why are we the team that looks at him? How is it campbell goes to oakland and we look at russell? Question is do you think the raiders are going to have a better record? Thats alarming. At least it took till week 9 for the season to be over this year.[/quote]


what???

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;755708]what???[/quote]

I think he is saying that it took until week 9 to determine that our season was over, as opposed to past years where usually by week 4 or 5 its obvious that we are not a playoff team.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;755710]I think he is saying that it took until week 9 to determine that our season was over, as opposed to past years where usually by week 4 or 5 its obvious that we are not a playoff team.[/quote]

This season is far from over.

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[quote=irish;755716]This season is far from over.[/quote]

If things dont change, within 3 weeks we could be mathmatically eliminated.

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Even at 4-7 we wouldn't be eliminated. That stuff doesn't happen til the end or if you've won 1-2 games. Remember in 2007 we were sitting at 5-7 before going on a run.

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Just listening to Ross Rucker and Peter King call it assanine that anyone should be concerned or making a big deal out of this Russell workout.

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[quote=Mattyk;755742]Just listening to Ross Rucker and Peter King call it assanine that anyone should be concerned or making a big deal out of this Russell workout.[/quote]

Agreed 100%. If anything I'm happy the FO is doing their due diligence. Sadly more fodder for the media during the bye week to try and drum up controversy.

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I just had someone on another board tell me that Sports Center this morning said that McNabb was out of Washington and Russell was in! LOL! I have looked all over the internet for this, namely ESPN.com, and I see nothing of the sort. I think it was a classic case of someone hearing the words "McNabb" and "Out" and not the rest of the stuff.

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I wouldn't even had bothered looking.

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McNabb is out cuz he went home to Arizona for the bye. Russell is in cuz the twinkie convention just started at the DC armory.

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[quote=Mattyk;755757]I wouldn't even had bothered looking.[/quote]

I'm not at a TV so I wanted to make sure. I would have been extremely surprised if this was true.

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If McNabb was cut and we signed JR, my first thought would be ahhh I get it, I'm dreaming. Time to wake up.

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[quote=skinsguy;755756]I just had someone on another board tell me that Sports Center this morning said that McNabb was out of Washington and Russell was in! LOL! I have looked all over the internet for this, namely ESPN.com, and I see nothing of the sort. I think it was a classic case of someone hearing the words "McNabb" and "Out" and not the rest of the stuff.[/quote]

The radio station this morning, 610AM, which is a local sports station, said that Russell had been offered a 3 year contract for 2.5 million a season + incentives, but it is believed he will workout with 2 more teams this week before deciding.

He apparantley had a great workout they said. Zipped the ball well, and moved alot better. He is apparantly in much better shape than when he was with Oakland.

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If we were to sign Russell, my guess is the QB depth chart will look a little less sexy

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so we would cut the guy we benched a 5 time pro-bowler for in order to make room for a 300-lb bust with a horrible work ethic?

if this happened, the only logical explanation would be that, in the year 2050, an old vinny cerrato transferred his consciousness into a killer cyborg that looks like mike shanahan back, then traveled back in time to kill the present day to kill mike shanahan and assume his identity. of course, this only goes to show how inept cerrato really is. he could have just gone back in time to tell his former self not to make the dumb moves that got him fired in the first place.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;755777]so we would cut the guy we benched a 5 time pro-bowler for in order to make room for a 300-lb bust with a horrible work ethic?

if this happened, the only logical explanation would be that, in the year 2050, an old vinny cerrato transferred his consciousness into a killer cyborg that looks like mike shanahan back, then traveled back in time to kill the present day to kill mike shanahan and assume his identity. of course, this only goes to show how inept cerrato really is. he could have just gone back in time to tell his former self not to make the dumb moves that got him fired in the first place.[/quote]

I thought just yesterday you were in favor of signing him??

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[quote=SmootSmack;755774]If we were to sign Russell, my guess is the QB depth chart will look a little less sexy[/quote]

idk man, im always a big believer in having backup vets who are well versed with whatever coaching staff and scheme we run. particularly when its new coaches and schemes.

your guess is more educated than mine but idk, i cant see rex getting let go only 8 games into the shannys regime.

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[quote=over the mountain;755788]idk man, im always a big believer in having backup vets who are well versed with whatever coaching staff and scheme we run. particularly when its new coaches and schemes.

your guess is more educated than mine but idk, i cant see rex getting let go only 8 games into the shannys regime.[/quote]

My guess isn't based on anything other than just a pure guess. Personally, I'm not sure what they see in John Beck but Kyle at least supposedly sees something. Also, having a veteran backup QB has never necessarily been a huge deal to Mike Shanahan. And, while I don't see all that much in Beck I could see another team taking a chance on him and locking him up. Grossman? Yeah someone might pick him up for the remainder of the year but I'm sure he'll be available next spring if we really want him back.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;755608]He could have woken up when he was benched and like Vince Young, have an epiphany. It apparently didn't happen.

Also, who are these QBs who stunk it up and then proceeded to light it up later? And by "stunk it up" I mean play terribly, not so-so or "ok".[/quote]

I guess I'll never convince you that the NFL has missed on QBs, because I'll name guys like Brad Johnson, Trent Green and Tony Romo and you'll just say something about how you knew all along they were better than terrible.

[quote=SirClintonPortis;755608]
Oh, and the body language and play of his teammates when he walked into the game against us last year? Any willingness to play for him apparently flew out the window.[/quote]

Isn't it possible the body language and play of his teammates had something to do with poor leadership and the fact they were going nowhere?

[quote=SirClintonPortis;755608]
It's quite clear that he was wallowing in the life of his 50 mil and couldn't give a damn about football. [/quote]

This you are right about, and it's actually the point I have been trying to make. He was immature, like most young adults, and it's possible that has changed (or could in the future). Don't write him off just yet. That's all I'm saying.

[quote=SirClintonPortis;755608]
So what if the organization is dysfunctional, Russell could have been motivated by the simple desire to get back the starting job. A benching should be a huge wake-up call to the QB to play well or else. Even that wasn't enough.[/quote]

You act as if the only thing that matters for success is a good QB. You act as if Russell just had to make the decision to be good, and they would have won the Superbowl, regardless of how bad the rest of the organization was.

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[quote=Hog1;755622][B]I don't think Shanny really gives a shit what the.....Pundits think of his actions.[/B] The same pundits who universally lined up to annoint the cowboys Super Bowl champs.
AND hey, they pulled Brandon Banks and Anthony Armstrong from the trash heap...so I'm good with checking out Russel[/quote]

Exactly. This is what it's all about. I admire it actually.

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[quote=Schneed10;755629]Do the Colts or Patriots do this?[/quote]

No, they both have HoF quarterbacks who consistently produce.

[quote=LavaRnChad;755685]No, that's why they are winning franchises on a consistant basis. They wouldn't have brought in Shanny to coach their teams either.[/quote]

See above.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;755646]Jamarcus could lose more weight, but honestly at 6 ft 6 and 286lbs, he is at least 30 pounds less than he weighed with Oakland, and is probably only about 20 pounds out from being seriously fit for a guy his size.

Nobody on here has questioned Russell's skillset. He has the biggest arm in the NFL and probably is one of the toughesst QBs, but it was all mental with him, and if he is in better mental shape, which it sounds like he is, then he could still turn into a great quarterback.

If he is signed, I want him to do nothing else but try and get good workout habits in his mind, and for him to do as much as he can to learn the offense. If he is a quick learner, then he may be ready to be the #2 by the very end of the season. He could possibly see playing time even at #3 QB if we are totally out of the playoff picture and playing in meaningless games.

If Russell somehow works out here, then I hope that nobody even thinks about starting him until at least 2012, and unfortunatley, Shanahan might not even be here still, so it wont matter.

I'm all for signing JR if Shanahan believes in him and thinks that he can reclaim what should have been a great QB...[/quote]

Didn't you say this earlier in the thread?

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/39616-skins-work-out-jamarcus-russell-bunch.html#post755418[/URL]

I'm confused...

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[quote=over the mountain;755788]idk man, im always a big believer in having backup vets who are well versed with whatever coaching staff and scheme we run. particularly when its new coaches and schemes.

your guess is more educated than mine but idk, i cant see rex getting let go only 8 games into the shannys regime.[/quote]

Considering all the odd circumstances surrounding the current QB situation, will Rex Grossman get the opportunity to start one or more of the eight games remanining on the schedule?

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;755802]I guess I'll never convince you that the NFL has missed on QBs, because I'll name guys like Brad Johnson, Trent Green and Tony Romo and you'll just say something about how you knew all along they were better than terrible.

[/quote]
First of all, talent is a "natural ability or quality of a person". Work ethic, is not something like arm strength or pocket presence.

You keep on citing flaws in talent evaluation, but you keep on missing what flaws you actually are citing and not making the actual connection between evaluating Russell and a Romo.

The difference in the flaws regarding Romo, etc were a matter of [B]overstating lack of physical ability[/B] and lack of popular media exposure. They had, however, the mental intangibles to QB in the league. Not just from a work ethic, but instincts like pocket presence, etc.

The flaw in evaluating Russell's talent was overstating his PHYSICAL attributes and overlooking his mental areas. . People saw physical talent in Russell. They still do now. They didn't get that wrong.

They WERE wrong that he would have the work ethic to pan out.

As for actual MENTAL TALENTS, like pocket presence, he doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt. It's up to him to prove he actually has the ability to go through his progressions, etc, AFTER shoring up his work ethic, IF he ever does. I'm pretty sure everyone was hollering that he was mentally talented too, but he hasn't verified that expectation either.

I wasn't into football around 2007, but I'm pretty sure a lot of people thought Russell was going to be a sure thing. You're right that people didn't evaluate Russell correctly. [B]Incorrect in the sense that they thought he was going to be any good. [/B]

[quote]Isn't it possible the body language and play of his teammates had something to do with poor leadership and the fact they were going nowhere?[/quote]No, they played like they gave a damn when Gradkowski was in there. They still do now. He also displayed a "deer in headlights" way of playing. He took sacks after holding the ball for a long time.

[quote]
You act as if the only thing that matters for success is a good QB. You act as if Russell just had to make the decision to be good, and they would have won the Superbowl, regardless of how bad the rest of the organization was.[/quote]You're extremely vague in how this "toxicity" provided such a huge disincentive for Russell to do anything that even his pride of losing the starting job and job insecurity were not enough to provide a counterincentive and start working his ass off.

Vince Young woke up in part because of that and some other reasons.

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[quote=Mattyk;755816]Didn't you say this earlier in the thread?

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/39616-skins-work-out-jamarcus-russell-bunch.html#post755418[/URL]

I'm confused...[/quote]

I did say that. But i also think that if there is any chance at all they can rehabilitate him, then go for it. I think it is a bad decision to sign him, based on his past body of work, BUT....he has an unbelievable amount of raw ability and just maybe Shanahan is the kind of coach that can bring out the best in him.

I still think it is a bad idea, but if he can help our team somehow, i can put my biased attitude towards him behind me.