Re: Its Fu**ing Eagles Week!!!!
 

[quote=Mattyk;757822]:doh:[/quote]

If you are happy with that win Matty, then you must feel real good about this game. I'm sure you are full of confidence right?

The fact is if we had won by 21 points you would bet your house on this game but because of the way we "won" you can't be so sure. That is why I say a win is not a win. The way you win tells the true story.

The truth is nobody knows what to expect from McNabb. Yes, we beat the Eagles, but they shut McNabb down for the last 3 quarters of football. I say that continues for the next 4 quarters.

A win is not a win. It's the way you win.

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Yes I'm happy with our 4 wins. That equals our win total from last year and puts us on track for 8-8, which is what I expected for this season.

We're not going to the SB this year, so perhaps some need to adjust their expectations a bit. Some seem to have this SB or bust mentality, and if we're not blowing teams out the season is a failure, not sure what that thinking accomplishes really and it's only going to leave you disappointed.

I'm no more confident about this game than I was the first time around. And probably no more confident than any level headed Eagles fan. Division game, at home, to think that we have no shot is a little out of touch.

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44ever, Vick is playing his best, no doubt this year we've seen him put it all together. But his game has a serious downside in that he's always been injury prone. I'm certainly not saying I want to see him hurt but the more a defense hits him in a game the more likely he is to get hurt, fumble or throw picks. This is obviously the case w/any qb, but w/Vick his game is much more reckless and defenses can capitalize on it.

I disagree that the iggles would've won that game w/Vick, who knows if they would've? Monday's game will be interesting because our D is starting to find itself & Haslett has found some packages (nickel) that work.

Re: Its Fu**ing Eagles Week!!!!
 

[quote=Mattyk;757847]Yes I'm happy with our 4 wins. That equals our win total from last year and puts us on track for 8-8, which is what I expected for this season.

We're not going to the SB this year, so perhaps some need to adjust their expectations a bit. Some seem to have this SB or bust mentality, and if we're not blowing teams out the season is a failure, not sure what that thinking accomplishes really and it's only going to leave you disappointed.[/quote]

I just want to see consistency bro. I'm not expecting a SB. I am happy with the team overall this year. But I'm just being realistic with my expectations against the Eagles. HTTR.

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Well as we've seen so far, we've been consistently inconsistent. Seems like that's going to be the norm for this year, so buckle up and get ready for some more non-wins and losses.

Re: Its Fu**ing Eagles Week!!!!
 

[quote=freddyg12;757848]44ever, Vick is playing his best, no doubt this year we've seen him put it all together. But his game has a serious downside in that he's always been injury prone. I'm certainly not saying I want to see him hurt but the more a defense hits him in a game the more likely he is to get hurt, fumble or throw picks. This is obviously the case w/any qb, but w/Vick his game is much more reckless and defenses can capitalize on it.

I disagree that the iggles would've won that game w/Vick, who knows if they would've? Monday's game will be interesting because our D is starting to find itself & Haslett has found some packages (nickel) that work.[/quote]

I hear you man, In fact our D played well the last game vs them. If we can put points on the board in every quarter I will be happy W or L. I just don't wan't to see us shut down again. I also want to beat them convincingly, not because their QB went out.

If we lose, I want to be able to say, "I seen some additional improvements that made me happy" Like we have seen with Banks and a few others. I want to see consistent improvement across the board. Thats all Im asking for at this point.

I would love to see our D shut Vick down! That would set things off nice for the rest of the season.

Re: Its Fu**ing Eagles Week!!!!
 

[quote=SmootSmack;757791]What sucks is that should we lose every idiot who can't respect the fact we beat the Eagles in a hard fought game earlier this year will be like "see I told you that game was a fluke"[/quote]

I'm certainly not going to say it was a fluke. That's just a ridiculous statement. But Vick going out was a huge break for us and it was a factor in us winning the game. We still almost lost it with Kolb in there.

Re: Its Fu**ing Eagles Week!!!!
 

[quote=skinsfan69;757856]I'm certainly not going to say it was a fluke. That's just a ridiculous statement. [B]But Vick going out was a huge break for us and it was a factor in us winning the game.[/B] We still almost lost it with Kolb in there.[/quote]

We were up 14-0 when Vick left the game. I remain unclear how the Eagles' losing a qb who had led the offense to zero points was a "huge break" for us.

The only relatively objective yardstick for judging the Vick-Eagles vs. the Skins is that 14-0 score. Everything else is just speculation.

I grant that Vick is having a great year. But some folks here are turning Vick into a superman which Vick is not.

Re: Its Fu**ing Eagles Week!!!!
 

[quote=Lotus;757871]We were up 14-0 when Vick left the game. I remain unclear how the Eagles' losing a qb who had led the offense to zero points was a "huge break" for us.

The only relatively objective yardstick for judging the Vick-Eagles vs. the Skins is that 14-0 score. Everything else is just speculation.

I grant that Vick is having a great year. But some folks here are turning Vick into a superman which Vick is not.[/quote]Can't say it any better.

Re: Its Fu**ing Eagles Week!!!!
 

How about John Feinstein should be fired for being inflamatory and making the race issue worse in this country.

Re: Its Fu**ing Eagles Week!!!!
 

If I didnt think we could make the SB, then I wouldnt watch them? I believe every year that we can win a SB. Its the NFL, any given sunday! Just look at clevelend beating the pats??? I think if we make the playoffs anything can happen.

Re: Its Fu**ing Eagles Week!!!!
 

[quote=Lotus;757871]We were up 14-0 when Vick left the game. I remain unclear how the Eagles' losing a qb who had led the offense to zero points was a "huge break" for us.

The only relatively objective yardstick for judging the Vick-Eagles vs. the Skins is that 14-0 score. Everything else is just speculation.

I grant that Vick is having a great year. But some folks here are turning Vick into a superman which Vick is not.[/quote]

I would also say we weren't done too big of a favor when we knocked Steve Jackson out of the St Louis game since then they moved to a passing attack that we were not prepared for or able to deal with.

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Sure, any given Sunday, but let's be real. There are a handful of teams that are serious SB contenders, another handful of teams that are playoff worthy but would need a lot of breaks to reach the SB, and the rest are just playing out the string. I think we're on the edge of being a playoff contender.

Re: Its Fu**ing Eagles Week!!!!
 

[quote=Mattyk;757881]Sure, any given Sunday, but let's be real. There are a handful of teams that are serious SB contenders, another handful of teams that are playoff worthy but would need a lot of breaks to reach the SB, and the rest are just playing out the string. I think we're on the edge of being a playoff contender.[/quote]

Well we could have beat the Colts, but we f**ked that up lol however if we can contend with them, im confident we can beat any of the 31 other teams, but yeah i agree if we make the playoffs this year I will be happy.

Re: Its Fu**ing Eagles Week!!!!
 

[quote=Jontrem;757880]I would also say we weren't done too big of a favor when we knocked Steve Jackson out of the St Louis game since then they moved to a passing attack that we were not prepared for or able to deal with.[/quote]

Good point.

Re: Its Fu**ing Eagles Week!!!!
 

Winning cures everything.
If we can somehow pull out a win Monday Night,than this team has a good shot to make the playoffs.

We may not have the quantity of wins to win the Division and or get a high Playoff seeding,but our Quality wins are very,[B]VERY[/B] good.

It's quite possible that the 2 NFC losses we have(Rams,Lions) won't even sniff the playoffs...so there won't be a head-to-head tiebreakers to deal with at seasons end.

Which is why we need the Rams to either win their Division outright,or start losing more games and tank. Both are possible scenarios.

Our other 2 Losses came to AFC teams which will have little,to no affect on us when sorting out the Playoff teams and their seedings.

So sweeping Philly will be absolutely [B]HUGE[/B] in continuing this theme. If we sweep Philly,then all we have to do is 2 things to beat them out of the Playoffs.

#1)make sure we have at least the same # of Division wins as they do at end of season and no less. (We would be 3-0 and they would be 0-2 if we beat them there)
and
#2)make sure we have at least the same overall record as they do and no less at end of season.

If any of these scenarios are true,then we have dibbs over the Eagles for the Playoffs.

What the Redskins need more than anything right now,besides just WINNING their games...is
[B]
#1)They need the Packers,Bears both to stay even keel with the redskins overall record.
#2)They need either the Saints or Bucs to start losing games.
#3)They need the Rams to either win their Division or tank the season and be nowhere near the playoffs.
#4)They need the Cowboys to throw wrinkle upsets against the Giants or Eagles or both to take some pressure off the Skins.
#5)They need to stay as close as they can with the Giants as much as possible with weeks 13 and week 17 looming.[/B]

If all 5 of these things can happen in our favor,we not only will make the playoffs...but we will win our Division for the 1st time since 1999.

And don't kid yourselves...the Dallas Cowbous will play a key role in helping us make this happen,whether they beat the Giants or Eagles in any of these matchups.

If we win Monday Night and Dallas knocks off the Giants,we'll be 1 game back,with 7 games remaining.

Lets do this!!
HTTR!
ace

Re: Its Fu**ing Eagles Week!!!!
 

So much changes week to week, all I can say is regardless of what happens on Monday, we won't be out of the hunt anymore than we could be back in it.

Re: Its Fu**ing Eagles Week!!!!
 

[quote=aceinthehouse;757906]Winning cures everything.
If we can somehow pull out a win Monday Night,than this team has a good shot to make the playoffs.

[B]We may not have the quantity of wins to win the Division and or get a high Playoff seeding,but our Quality wins are very,[B]VERY[/B] good.[/B]

It's quite possible that the 2 NFC losses we have(Rams,Lions) won't even sniff the playoffs...so there won't be a head-to-head tiebreakers to deal with at seasons end.

Which is why we need the Rams to either win their Division outright,or start losing more games and tank. Both are possible scenarios.

Our other 2 Losses came to AFC teams which will have little,to no affect on us when sorting out the Playoff teams and their seedings.

So sweeping Philly will be absolutely [B]HUGE[/B] in continuing this theme. If we sweep Philly,then all we have to do is 2 things to beat them out of the Playoffs.

#1)make sure we have at least the same # of Division wins as they do at end of season and no less. (We would be 3-0 and they would be 0-2 if we beat them there)
and
#2)make sure we have at least the same overall record as they do and no less at end of season.

If any of these scenarios are true,then we have dibbs over the Eagles for the Playoffs.

[B]What the Redskins need more than anything right now,besides just WINNING their games...is
[B]
#1)They need the Packers,Bears both to stay even keel with the redskins overall record.
#2)They need either the Saints or Bucs to start losing games.
#3)They need the Rams to either win their Division or tank the season and be nowhere near the playoffs.
#4)They need the Cowboys to throw wrinkle upsets against the Giants or Eagles or both to take some pressure off the Skins.
#5)They need to stay as close as they can with the Giants as much as possible with weeks 13 and week 17 looming.[/B]

If all 5 of these things can happen in our favor,we not only will make the playoffs...but we will win our Division for the 1st time since 1999.[/B]

And don't kid yourselves...the Dallas Cowbous will play a key role in helping us make this happen,whether they beat the Giants or Eagles in any of these matchups.

If we win Monday Night and Dallas knocks off the Giants,we'll be 1 game back,with 7 games remaining.

Lets do this!!
HTTR!
ace[/quote]

I think you got Quality and Quantity reversed.

Also [B]"If all 5 of these things can happen in our favor,we not only will make the playoffs...but we will win our Division for the 1st time since 1999."[/B] This kind of logic drives me crazy. How bout if the Skins start playing hard, consistent football, We wouldn't need to rely on all this luck and unlikely variables to stumble into the playoffs. This is no way to make the playoffs.

I like your unwavering positive attitude but...

Re: Its Fu**ing Eagles Week!!!!
 

Actually Ace is using correct NFL terminology as opposed to "Real" terminology.

See, the NFL counts a win (amazingly) as a WIN for tiebreakers and comparisons. SO if we beat the Eagles by 1 we get the same QUALITY win (since it is division and conference opponent) as if we had beat them by 30.

You use the "real" definition, where a 1 point win is not a QUALITY win, but just a poor man's win with comments.

So, in NFL terms we have 4 QUALITY wins, 2 that are division, (high quality), 2 that are Conference contenders (quality in that A- they are in conference and B- both would seem to be competitors for a playoff spot). On the other hand 3 of our 4 losses could be considered low quality losses (2 are out of conference and have little bearing on wild card tiebreakers, 1(lions) is in conference but unlikely to be a wild card competitor.) so out of our 4 losses, at this point only one would appear to be a NFL quality loss. That is the Rams, because we could end up losing a tiebreaker for a wild card spot to them.

Obviously, his use of quantity is correct as we would all like a better quantity of wins.

Re: Its Fu**ing Eagles Week!!!!
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;757923]Actually Ace is using correct NFL terminology as opposed to "Real" terminology.

See, the NFL counts a win (amazingly) as a WIN for tiebreakers and comparisons. SO if we beat the Eagles by 1 we get the same QUALITY win (since it is division and conference opponent) as if we had beat them by 30.

You use the "real" definition, where a 1 point win is not a QUALITY win, but just a poor man's win with comments.

So, in NFL terms we have 4 QUALITY wins, 2 that are division, (high quality), 2 that are Conference contenders (quality in that A- they are in conference and B- both would seem to be competitors for a playoff spot). On the other hand 3 of our 4 losses could be considered low quality losses (2 are out of conference and have little bearing on wild card tiebreakers, 1(lions) is in conference but unlikely to be a wild card competitor.) so out of our 4 losses, at this point only one would appear to be a NFL quality loss. That is the Rams, because we could end up losing a tiebreaker for a wild card spot to them.

Obviously, his use of quantity is correct as we would all like a better quantity of wins.[/quote]

Really, and in the case of a divisional win/lose tie, split evenly, what determines the 1st place team?

Re: Its Fu**ing Eagles Week!!!!
 

Is it 1991? Apparently, it's a sin to even have an inkling that this team has a probability of 50% of winning its games.

Re: Its Fu**ing Eagles Week!!!!
 

I hate Monday night games! The Redskins usually don't play well in these games. I just hope that the Shanahans haven't messed up McNabb's mind. They've already tried to mix him up with his footwork! All through the Haynesworth escapade I was on Shanahan's side. Now that he's shown himself to be a sub-Zornian, I really don't know what to expect from here on out. In fact, I thought that hiring Shanahan was like the second coming of Gibbs 1, but I've been wrong before. It didn't take long for Shanahan to wear me out!!! I should have known something strange was going on since I didn't hear a peep out of my nemesis, CP!

BTW, I took Shanahan off as my avatar! He won't go back!

Re: Its Fu**ing Eagles Week!!!!
 

What I'm hoping for is that the Skins have been working on a lot of things that up until now, they have been unable to utilize. Hopefully they come out and show some new looks. I am also very interested hoe DM will respond. HTTR!

Re: Its Fu**ing Eagles Week!!!!
 

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Clinton-Portis-wears-Phillies-hat-four-days-befo?urn=nfl-284674]Clinton Portis wears Phillies hat four days before facing Eagles - Shutdown Corner - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Re: Its Fu**ing Eagles Week!!!!
 

[quote=44ever;757818]Because Vick has shown that he scores in every game and almost every quarter of football he plays. It's just a mathematical certainty. It took the Eagles 1 quarter to effectively figure out and shut down our Offense and kept us to 3 points for the remainder 3 quarters of the game. While they managed to creep back up with a cold and unprepared Kolb.

Vick would have played a better whole game than Kolb, in fact his passer rating was much higher than Kolbs. Actually Vick was very close to scoring when he got hurt. The Eagles did not get that close into our red zone the remainder of the game without Vick.

Obviously when I say it is a fact, that is a statistical and historical statement. But one that is and will be proved this coming week.

As a 40 year fan, I have had the luxury of sitting back and knowing the Skins would win. After the 80's and early 90's, Im the guy who went through the rest of my life defending and making excuses for the Skins. I don't do that anymore, but for those who do, I understand, I was there.

Anything can happen in the NFL. We do have a chance to beat the Eagles. But if Vick stays in, we won't. IMO.[/quote]


We were up 14-0 when he went down you know

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[quote=Jontrem;757880]I would also say we weren't done too big of a favor when we knocked Steve Jackson out of the St Louis game since then they moved to a passing attack that we were not prepared for or able to deal with.[/quote]

Don't forget about their backup RB, he ran through our defense a bit.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;757810]44ever, How is it a fact that they would have beaten us with Vick?[/quote]

Did you see the three or four replays that showed V-Jax and Macklin getting wide open? The commentators were saying how Kolb wasn't even looking downfield to see them because he was too busy with his checkdown reads. Vick would have exploited that. That's what he does.

Re: Its Fu**ing Eagles Week!!!!
 

The only 'fact' is the Skins won.

Re: Its Fu**ing Eagles Week!!!!
 

[quote=44ever;757927]Really, and in the case of a divisional win/lose tie, split evenly, what determines the 1st place team?[/quote]

I imagine you know this, but here is the list from [URL="http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures"]nfl.com[/URL]:
[quote]TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION

If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.
Two Clubs

1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss[/quote]

So, if 2 teams in division are tied, you look first at head to head. We have won both division games so far = quality regardless of 1 point or 20 point wins

next if they split, as you propose, then you look at division wins. So far we are 2-0 = quality win

next if they are tied at division level you look at common games. Here so far, we are 3-3(Rams is one of our two non common opponents the other one being Tampa) , so that the ram's loss while bad in conference doesn't hurt here, because we are the only team in our division that plays the rams.

next if they are tied from common you look at conference games. So far we are 4-2, so the colt's loss for example was better than a loss to chicago.

For comparison: the NYG are 1-0 in division, 4-2 in common opponents (their only two losses are here), and 5-0 in conference.
Philly is 0-1 in division, 3-3 in common opponents, and 3-2 in conference.

note: [SIZE="2"][B][U][I]NONE[/I][/U][/B][/SIZE] of those tie breakers rely on the point spread in a win.


edit: I wasn't sure what strength of victory (#5) was, so here is Wikipedia's answer:the combined won-lost-tied percentage of all the teams that a club has defeated
still not points related.

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[quote=LavaRnChad;757950]Did you see the three or four replays that showed V-Jax and Macklin getting wide open? The commentators were saying how Kolb wasn't even looking downfield to see them because he was too busy with his checkdown reads. Vick would have exploited that. That's what he does.[/quote]
maybe he would have, maybe not. The bottomline is when the clock showed 0:00, we had more points. Anything other than that is speculation (maybe valid) and not fact. I am sure in the evil twin universe, Barron didn't hold, the catch was caught, and Jarmon was called for a personal foul. But here in the real universe, those things didn't happen and we sit with those three wins.

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Oh, and here is the Wildcard version:
[quote]Two Clubs

1. Head-to-head, if applicable.
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
4. Strength of victory.
5. Strength of schedule.
6. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
7. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best net points in conference games.
9. Best net points in all games.
10. Best net touchdowns in all games.
11. Coin toss.
[/quote]

a couple notes:
1) our head to head so far is very good against teams likely to tie our win/loss record. Only the Rams stands out as one that could come back and bite us ( I am learning to hate the Rams)

2) again, losing to AFC teams means less so every NFC win has a bit more quality

3) Common games, also, since every NFC division plays a different AFC team none of our AFC losses matter. This really is hard to figure in advance, and I doubt many tie breakers go past this point

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[quote=SmootSmack;757430]First I've heard of those comments from Feinstein. I know Jason Whitlock made some similar comments (though he later backtracked) saying something like "I'm surprised Shanahan didn't tell McNabb to sit on the bench and eat some fried chicken" but several other members of the media responded to Whitlock's comments and said this had nothing to do with race, and to play the race card or accuse Shanahan of being racist was out of line. So let's not go and lump the media all together on this

Feinstein is being ridiculous[/quote]

Quoting myself here, but good response by Rick Reilly

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=5795495]Redskins coach Mike Shanahan a racist? Rick Reilly says 'No way.' - ESPN[/url]

Re: Its Fu**ing Eagles Week!!!!
 

Feinstein is the one that should be fired.

If MS was really a racist why would he have traded for DM in the first place?

Just dumb.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;757824]If those are the two options, I am rooting for a tie!!!!! :food-smil[/quote]

I wouldn't be against that.

Re: Its Fu**ing Eagles Week!!!!
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;757923]Actually Ace is using correct NFL terminology as opposed to "Real" terminology.

See, the NFL counts a win (amazingly) as a WIN for tiebreakers and comparisons. SO if we beat the Eagles by 1 we get the same QUALITY win (since it is division and conference opponent) as if we had beat them by 30.

You use the "real" definition, where a 1 point win is not a QUALITY win, but just a poor man's win with comments.

So, in NFL terms we have 4 QUALITY wins, 2 that are division, (high quality), 2 that are Conference contenders (quality in that A- they are in conference and B- both would seem to be competitors for a playoff spot). On the other hand 3 of our 4 losses could be considered low quality losses (2 are out of conference and have little bearing on wild card tiebreakers, 1(lions) is in conference but unlikely to be a wild card competitor.) so out of our 4 losses, at this point only one would appear to be a NFL quality loss. That is the Rams, because we could end up losing a tiebreaker for a wild card spot to them.

Obviously, his use of quantity is correct as we would all like a better quantity of wins.[/quote]

It doesn't matter if it is quality or not. The fact is that we would still be two games behind the leading Giants if they win this week, no first in the division. We would also still probably be behind in the wild card as the NFC South has 3 teams with good winning records that would most likely beat us for a wild card spot.

Quality wins or not, if we don't have enough wins to tie or move in front of other teams for a wild card or division spot, tiebreakers are pointless. You can't use a tiebreaker if there is no tie. Right now we are still playing catch up and the schedule for the redskins in the stretch isn't getting any easier.

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[quote=LavaRnChad;757950]Did you see the three or four replays that showed V-Jax and Macklin getting wide open? The commentators were saying how Kolb wasn't even looking downfield to see them because he was too busy with his checkdown reads. [B]Vick would have exploited that. [/B] That's what he does.[/quote]

No one here is propping up Kolb or overestimating his play in that game.

The problem is the bold part. That is speculation, not fact. Vick might have "exploited" our defense. Or he might have thrown three picks. We'll never know.

The one thing that we all know for sure is that it was 14-0 when Vick left.

Re: Its Fu**ing Eagles Week!!!!
 

[quote=Lotus;757871]We were up 14-0 when Vick left the game. I remain unclear how the Eagles' losing a qb who had led the offense to zero points was a "huge break" for us.

The only relatively objective yardstick for judging the Vick-Eagles vs. the Skins is that 14-0 score. Everything else is just speculation.

I grant that Vick is having a great year. But some folks here are turning Vick into a superman which Vick is not.[/quote]

You say we were winning 14-0 like we had them beat already. What happened with the Texans? Up 20-7 and lose the game. The Rams lit us up at the beginning of the game when we played them and we could have come back but didn't. Just because teams jump out to early leads in no way means they are going to win. Not in today's NFL.

Especially with Vick who is a dual threat through the air and on the ground. He is so hard to contain. I would consider it a huge break when you take that off the field in favor of a young QB with limited experience who is not a dual threat like Vick. No, Vick is not piling up Philip River number at QB but gaudy passing yards and lots of touchdowns doesn't always make you an elite QB.

In Atlanta, Vick did not have a great pass completion percentage at QB. Since his return he has learned how to throw the ball better and has shown he can still run. I am not saying he is the best QB, or "superman" as you put it. But he is definitely playing at an elite status this year with the mvp talk mentioning his name. There is way more to look at than just the "only relatively objective yardstick for judging the Vick-Eagles vs. the Skins is that 14-0 score".

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[quote=SkinzWin;757969]It doesn't matter if it is quality or not. The fact is that we would still be two games behind the leading Giants if they win this week, no first in the division. We would also still probably be behind in the wild card as the NFC South has 3 teams with good winning records that would most likely beat us for a wild card spot.

Quality wins or not, if we don't have enough wins to tie or move in front of other teams for a wild card or division spot, tiebreakers are pointless. You can't use a tiebreaker if there is no tie. Right now we are still playing catch up and the schedule for the redskins in the stretch isn't getting any easier.[/quote]

Thank you, this finishes Ace's point of the Skins having quality, but not quantity of wins.

I agree with you 100%, we need to catch up and win games. I just personally don't care whether we win by 1 or 100. When the final game is played, and the records are compared, points for and against rarely comes into tiebreakers. And certainly phantom points like the drop at the end of the Eagles game don't count ever

Re: Its Fu**ing Eagles Week!!!!
 

[quote=SkinzWin;757975]... There is way more to look at than just the "only relatively objective yardstick for judging the Vick-Eagles vs. the Skins is that 14-0 score".[/quote]

You are right. The score at the end of the game is far more important.

Re: Its Fu**ing Eagles Week!!!!
 

In an early interview today, Nov 12th, Kyle S. stated that the offensive line isn't the problem. Very profound! I'm sorry, my eyes must be going bad when I watch football. I guess I owe both Shanahans an apology because I thought it was the O-Line!