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[quote=SFREDSKIN;758427]What's funny is that Cutler (who lots of Redskins fans wanted) before he was traded to Chicago, signed a contract with the Bears for almost 1/2 the price.

10/20/2009: Signed a five-year, $49.77 million contract. The deal contains $20 million guaranteed, including a $7 million signing bonus, virtually all of Cutler's first-year salary, and $3.3 million of his 2010 base pay. Cutler can earn $500,000 workout bonuses in each year 2010-2013. 2009: $10.035 million (+ $100,000 workout bonus), 2010: $7.5 million, 2011: $8.1 million, 2012: $8.2 million, 2013: $8.9 million, 2014: Free Agent. Cap charge: $11.435 million (2009).[/quote]

It's because Cutler throws twice as many INTs as McNabb so his value is cut in half.

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[quote=SkinzWin;758540]It's because Cutler throws twice as many INTs as McNabb so his value is cut in half.[/quote]

For the win

I'm just seeing this now and I can't believe we gave mcnabb that much
We are so ****ing stupid
40 million gauranteed
Is this a joke
I hope so



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we are only down 5 TD's

My post had nothing to do with the score right now
I just think it was ****ing idiotic to give a qb that old that much money
Especially when he's not even playing that good this yr


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Well now I'm hearing them say it only 10 million but no one really knows?
10 million I can live with
That sounds reasonable
I hope that's true


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At half
Espn saying 40 million
WTF!
Please be wrong!!!


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Anymore questions about how lucky we were that Vick got hurt the first game? Didn't think so... Which QB got a new contract again?

[QUOTE=LavaRnChad;759042]Anymore questions about how lucky we were that Vick got hurt the first game? Didn't think so...[/QUOTE]

Here here


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I will give you this game because he is playing lights out from the start. It wasn't that way last game.

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[quote=LavaRnChad;759042]Anymore questions about how lucky we were that Vick got hurt the first game? Didn't think so...[/quote]Are we also going to call it lucky that it starting raining so that no one can track down Vick in the backfield?

I mean, I think we should. The Eagles are both the better -- and the more fortunate -- team tonight.

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[quote=GTripp0012;759194]Are we also going to call it lucky that it starting raining so that no one can track down Vick in the backfield?

I mean, I think we should. The Eagles are both the better -- and the more fortunate -- team tonight.[/quote]

youve got to be kidding me! your blaming this on the rain!:spank:
unfckingbelievable

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[quote=htownskinfan;759029]At half
Espn saying 40 million
WTF!
Please be wrong!!!


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Who knows I heard the 10 mill which would make sense.


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[quote=htownskinfan;759272]youve got to be kidding me! your blaming this on the rain!:spank:
unfckingbelievable[/quote]Well, no, but I wouldn't expect you to be able to handle a concept as abstract as fortune. So I guess what I'm saying might be a little bit pie-in-the-sky for some.

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[quote=firstdown;759288]who knows i heard the 10 mill which would make sense.


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looool...wtf is vhf and xtap?

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McNabb made andy reid look like an absolute genius last night. McNabb quite honestly has played horrible the last 4 games. The extention makes zero sense right now. The more things change the more they look the same with this organization.

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[quote=Chico23231;759353]McNabb made andy reid look like an absolute genius last night. McNabb quite honestly has played horrible the last 4 games. The extention makes zero sense right now. The more things change the more they look the same with this organization.[/quote]

I agree. i did not feel that McNabb has played enough to deserve a contract extension. I understand it is about security for the position, but still. DM is not what we envisioned...i think we all figured he would be better than this.

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[quote=GTripp0012;759194]Are we also going to call it lucky that it starting raining so that no one can track down Vick in the backfield?

I mean, I think we should. The Eagles are both the better -- and the more fortunate -- team tonight.[/quote]

It wasn't raining, it was Jack Kent Cooke and Sean Taylor crying from above about this joke of a franchise that Snyder has allowed the Skins to become.

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[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/donovan-mcnabb/collective-bargaining-agreemen.html]Redskins Insider - Collective bargaining agreement complicates McNabb deal[/url]

should be interesting to hear how this deal really breaks down

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[quote=GTripp0012;759299]Well, no, but I wouldn't expect you to be able to handle a concept as abstract as fortune. So I guess what I'm saying might be a little bit pie-in-the-sky for some.[/quote]

Tripp this has to be one of the crazist things I've ever heard you say. If anything the rain helps the SLOWER team. Not the faster one. Rain had NOTHING to do with the beatdown last night.

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The Eagles are not stupid. They knew. Why did they hang on to Michael Vick and insist on not trading him? I personally think they saw how talented the guy is and decided to really coach him up and see if he would buy in. Once they saw that, they had to reason to keep McNabb. Who would think after this trade we still have the worst QB in the division.

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McNabb wasn't responsible for playing defense last night. He threw some picks, but we were getting destroyed, you have to take some chances. I actually have no issue with the way he played last night. Gameplanning however... you give up a 88 yd bomb on the first play of the game... then call three straight interior running plays? Behind the worst interior o-line in the league, after the bye week when you had 2 weeks to get ready? REALLY?

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The biggest SINGLE reason we lost was not converting a third down in the game. Did convert one fourth down though.

That doesn't mean we would have won if we had an average conversion rate. We obviously would not have. Too much of an offensive onslaught by the Eagles. But the biggest reason the Eagles could score quickly and STILL kill us in time of possession were due to the offensive struggles.

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[quote=skinsfan69;759385]The Eagles are not stupid. They knew. Why did they hang on to Michael Vick and insist on not trading him? I personally think they saw how talented the guy is and decided to really coach him up and see if he would buy in. Once they saw that, they had to reason to keep McNabb. Who would think after this trade we still have the worst QB in the division.[/quote]

I really don't think they saw this coming though, not to this degree. They were ready to move forward with Kolb as their starter, I think they are genuinely surprised at how quickly Vick has grasped the offense and taken to the coaching they've given him.

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I'm probably one of the Skins biggest critics on these boards but, McNabb is not the problem with the Skins. Thats just not even realistic at all. Lets keep in mind that Jackson outran our entire D. If McNabb had a receiver like that say T.O., Moss, We may have been able to have a shootout. He also had a rookie unblocking RB to depend on to relive some pressure and the same old O line laying down the red carpet for the D.

He made some very impressive throws last night. We have a lot to be disappointed about but lets keep some things in perspective. Whens the last time this team has seen 28 points? Especially against a team like the Eagles.

The extension was a good move.

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[quote=skinsfan69;759385]The Eagles are not stupid. They knew. Why did they hang on to Michael Vick and insist on not trading him? I personally think they saw how talented the guy is and decided to really coach him up and see if he would buy in. Once they saw that, they had to reason to keep McNabb. Who would think after this trade we still have the worst QB in the division.[/quote]*Raises hand* Well, there's always Kitna.

Look, back in April, I thought it would be dumb to suggest that the Eagles would willingly trade McNabb and somehow not have a plan to perform better at quarterback than the guy they traded. It wouldn't have made any sense.

I don't think they were in any way expecting Vick to be that guy, but they of course knew what they were trading us. I think it was the combination of the lack of weapons on the roster that made them feel safe in dealing him here, as well as a declining skill set. I also think the Eagles deserve some credit for not being overconcerned with their record against us this year. McNabb went 1-1 against Vick this year, which considering the talent discrepancy between the teams, has to be a win for the Redskins. But because we're not at this point competitive with the Eagles at the top of the division, I think they deserve credit for not blowing up a home loss to their former QB into something worse than it was.

We beat them fair and square on their home turf. But after beating up on the Colts and us in consecutive weeks, and sporting the best offense in professional football, can anyone still criticize them for trading McNabb when they did? Even though one of their three losses came against him? No, I think they are safe from criticism at this point.

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And if you think that the original plan for the Eagles at quarterback was flawed, take a look at Kolb's numbers and compare them to McNabb's. They were right on that account as well, and then they certainly appear to have been validated on their decision to move forward with Michael Vick.

It would be [I]crazy[/I] to say that McNabb was everything that was wrong the Eagles, and that's a complete sports talk radio argument anyway. McNabb was always good enough for them, at least compared to what he has been here. But it's like the Chargers deciding to not resign Brees: they ended up finding an option better than they could have ever dreamed the original guy becoming. It's good fortune, but also good management.

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[quote=44ever;759390]I'm probably one of the Skins biggest critics on these boards but, McNabb is not the problem with the Skins. Thats just not even realistic at all. Lets keep in mind that Jackson outran our entire D. If McNabb had a receiver like that say T.O., Moss, We may have been able to have a shootout. He also had a rookie unblocking RB to depend on to relive some pressure and the same old O line laying down the red carpet for the D.

He made some very impressive throws last night. We have a lot to be disappointed about but lets keep some things in perspective. Whens the last time this team has seen 28 points? Especially against a team like the Eagles.

The extension was a good move.[/quote]

i'm not really sure how you can say mcnabb is not the problem with the skins. you can say he isn't the only problem but you can not say he isn't one. his completion percentage is garbage and he seems to be throwing more in the dirt this year that he did last year. granted he gives us a better chance to win than with campbell but it's not by much.

and everyone who keeps saying well we scored 28 points when was the last time that happened? when was the last time a team was up on us 28-0 in the first quarter, not shit we are gonna score some points cause they are gonna play soft all game

this game was wayyy uglier than the giants game last year, and to have it done in primetime again is just a huge dagger. last night looked like a legit playoff contender beating the crap out of a bottom feeder, which is where we are right now, it's gonna take some time to turn this around and from all accounts no one evens knows what direction we are headed yet, and thats the scariest part

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[quote=skinsfan69;759383]Tripp this has to be one of the crazist things I've ever heard you say. If anything the rain helps the SLOWER team. Not the faster one. Rain NOTHING to do with the beatdown last night.[/quote]

A slick field definitely benefits Vick. He's tough enough to track down on a dry surface, put him on a slick field where defenders are slipping and can't react quickly enough, advantage Vick.

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I just think it is hilarious how we spent so much on this guy yesterday and they come out and just lay a huge f--king egg. The sh-t I am taking from other fans today is unreal, the Redskins are f--king awful POS team.

The faces have changed again but the sh-t stays the same.

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[quote=mlmdub130;759400]i'm not really sure how you can say mcnabb is not the problem with the skins. you can say he isn't the only problem but you can not say he isn't one. his completion percentage is garbage and he seems to be throwing more in the dirt this year that he did last year. granted he gives us a better chance to win than with campbell but it's not by much.

and everyone who keeps saying well we scored 28 points when was the last time that happened? when was the last time a team was up on us 28-0 in the first quarter, not shit we are gonna score some points cause they are gonna play soft all game

this game was wayyy uglier than the giants game last year, and to have it done in primetime again is just a huge dagger. last night looked like a legit playoff contender beating the crap out of a bottom feeder, which is where we are right now, it's gonna take some time to turn this around and from all accounts no one evens knows what direction we are headed yet, and thats the scariest part[/quote]

My biggest issues is that I feel that once again we seem to be patching things up and not committing to full blown rebuilding. But as I said in a previous post, I don't think MS is the type of coach that would build up a team from scratch. While I have a glimmer of hope, I just find it hard to see this team doing enough offensively to get us anywhere (and not have any defensive eggs like the one we laid last night).

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Also why sign this contract now???? Why not try to make a play for Vick in 2011??? So f--king stupid.

I honestly have never been so f--king pissed at this team in my life.

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;759383]Tripp this has to be one of the crazist things I've ever heard you say. If anything the rain helps the SLOWER team. Not the faster one. Rain NOTHING to do with the beatdown last night.[/QUOTE]

THANK YOU!!


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[quote=skinsfan69;759383]Tripp this has to be one of the crazist things I've ever heard you say. If anything the rain helps the SLOWER team. Not the faster one. Rain NOTHING to do with the beatdown last night.[/quote]I don't, in any way, think the field conditions had any effect on slow or fast. I think it was an offense vs. defense issue.

The Eagles weren't any slower on the slick surface than they would have been on a dry one. It wasn't about speed. They were going to control that advantage no matter what.

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[quote=Mattyk;759403]A slick field definitely benefits Vick. He's tough enough to track down on a dry surface, put him on a slick field where defenders are slipping and can't react quickly enough, advantage Vick.[/quote]

Totally 100% disagree. Besides, he wasn't just running on us, he was beating us from the pocket with pin point passes. Plus he hasn't thrown a single pick all year our while McNabb has 11. Sorry but this trade looks like dog shit right now.

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[quote=mredskins;759406]Also why sign this contract now???? Why not try to make a play for Vick in 2011??? So f--king stupid.

I honestly have never been so f--king pissed at this team in my life.[/quote]

Because the Eagles were the only team to give Vick a shot and now that he paid off, they will pay him anything he wants in 2011 to keep him there. Vick is a Eagle for the rest of his productive career.

Why sign the contract now? Because if we didn't, then the he would be looking ahead to being a Cardinal next season. If we are going to get the best of McNabbs talent then we needed to make his presence here concrete.

He is now the true leader of this team. I don't know what some of you guys expected last night. Some of us seen this kind of loss coming so clearly. I honestly did not expect us to score 28. I thought we would only score 17. On the flip side I predicted the Eagles to score 42, they almost did that by half time.

Have you been watching Vick play this season? Cmon.

28 points is usually enough to win a game, we say that the O-line stinks, yet McNabb squeezed 28 from behind it. Not many QB's could do that.

We need a faster Defense and a different scheme to compete against teams like Philly. We are just not built for the 3-4 yet. Backfield needs more consistency, Where the hell was Hall last night? Everybody had hands like rubber. We had some chances at some picks last night.

Other things I look at is the way we tried to rush Torain and Banks back into the game. Neither of them should have been in uniform last night. We got lucky with Banks IMO (hopefully). Not so much with Torain.

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[quote=mredskins;759406][B]Also why sign this contract now???? Why not try to make a play for Vick in 2011??? So f--king stupid. [/B]

I honestly have never been so f--king pissed at this team in my life.[/quote]

Like Philly is going to let him walk.....:spank:

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Here's McNabb's contract breakdown:

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5812371]Source: Donovan McNabb due just $3.75M if cut after '10 - ESPN[/url]

Here is how the rest of the full deal breaks down, according to an NFLPA source:

• 2010: $3.5 million signing bonus/$250,000 if active eight games

• 2011: $10 million option bonus/$2.5 million salary/$750,000 if active 16 games/$250,000 workout/$2 million possible playoff incentives

• 2012: $12.75 million salary/$750,000 if active 16 games/$250,000 workout/$2 million possible playoff incentives

• 2013: $13 million salary/$1.5 million if active 16 games/$250,000 workout/$2 million possible playoff incentives

• 2014: $13.75 million salary/$3 million if active 16 games/$250,000 workout/$2 million possible playoff incentives

• 2015: $13.55 million salary/$2.25 million if active 16 games/$250,000 workout/$2 million possible playoff incentives

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We need to get off the 28 points as a positive that was total garbage time points.

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;759441]Here's McNabb's contract breakdown:

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5812371]Source: Donovan McNabb due just $3.75M if cut after '10 - ESPN[/url]

Here is how the rest of the full deal breaks down, according to an NFLPA source:

• 2010: $3.5 million signing bonus/$250,000 if active eight games

• 2011: $10 million option bonus/$2.5 million salary/$750,000 if active 16 games/$250,000 workout/$2 million possible playoff incentives

• 2012: $12.75 million salary/$750,000 if active 16 games/$250,000 workout/$2 million possible playoff incentives

• 2013: $13 million salary/$1.5 million if active 16 games/$250,000 workout/$2 million possible playoff incentives

• 2014: $13.75 million salary/$3 million if active 16 games/$250,000 workout/$2 million possible playoff incentives

• 2015: $13.55 million salary/$2.25 million if active 16 games/$250,000 workout/$2 million possible playoff incentives[/QUOTE]

If this is correct where's the 40 million gauranteed everyone keeps reporting?
That is my main problem with this contract


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