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[quote=skinsfaninok;764259]I'd like to see us going after a WR in this draft, maybe jones falls in the teens? It could happen[/quote]

That will happen and I would love to get Julio Jones.

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If Mike Floyd from ND comes out I would like to take a shot at him in a later round. He reminds me of a Hakeem nicks like player very big and very physical. he probably does not have the play making ability of Hicks but 6 foot 3 and 225 pounds and fast

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I wouldnt mind us taking Matthews-LB-Oregon in the 2nd round

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[quote=WaldSkins;765031]I wouldnt mind us taking Matthews-LB-Oregon in the 2nd round[/quote]

If he's anything like his brother than yes we should definintely take him in the second.

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With the team's roster being so lacking in talent/depth, I say draft the best available player regardless of position. We are far from stacked at any spot, so just take the best players and start filling those holes. I'd love to see the team be able to pry Woodley away from the Steelers w/o giving up any kind of draft pick. Haloti Ngata is also scheduled to become a UFA, adding him would be outstanding.
We should hire away some Steeler scouts too why we're at it. They know how to find 3-4 talent.

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I'm looking at Rodney Hudson G from FSU as a major target for many reasons
- He's the best Zone Blocking guard to come out in years
- our OL still needs massive help
- the Free agent G/C's are poor this year; specifically guards
- where we'll be picking, he should definitely be there and we wouldn't necessarily be reaching IMO

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I have a gut feeling that this could be one of the better WR drafts in years...

I think...

Top Tier:
Pettis - Boise State
Blackmon - Ok State
Jones - Alabama
Jefferey - So Carolina
Green - Georgia
Floyd - Notre Dame
Broyles - Oklahoma

Next Tier:
Baldwin - Pitt
Fuller - Tex A&M
Wildcard (b/c of injury)- Childs - Arkansas

ALL of those top 7 guys are pretty close to sure things in my opinion... I think the Skins should definitely be able to get one of these guys in the 1st round or even trade down and still land one of those, plus picks...

I like ALL of 'em personally... I like our chances of getting a decent WR, even by trading down... which is what we need to do.

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IF the qb is on his back it doesn't matter who we have for recievers

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;766282]I have a gut feeling that this could be one of the better WR drafts in years...

I think...

Top Tier:
Pettis - Boise State
Blackmon - Ok State
Jones - Alabama
[B]Jefferey - So Carolina
[/B]Green - Georgia
Floyd - Notre Dame
Broyles - Oklahoma

Next Tier:
Baldwin - Pitt
Fuller - Tex A&M
Wildcard (b/c of injury)- Childs - Arkansas

ALL of those top 7 guys are pretty close to sure things in my opinion... I think the Skins should definitely be able to get one of these guys in the 1st round or even trade down and still land one of those, plus picks...

I like ALL of 'em personally... I like our chances of getting a decent WR, even by trading down... which is what we need to do.[/quote]

as good as he is, he isn't coming out of the draft this year, he's a true sophomore.

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This team needs help on the OL and a QB for the future. One thing for sure, it will be a good year to draft a QB.

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=At62.R6BbTVUfY9LXYX34Q85nYcB?slug=pfw-20101213_locker_luck_headline_qb_class]Locker, Luck headline QB class - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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Andrew Luck, Stanford**


If he comes out early.. I say we make a move for him. Maybe we need someone with a name like that to bring "luck" to Washington.

If not, then we draft another Lineman, and look to get him next year...

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I know someone here said "no" to Tyrod Taylor, and although I'm a biased Hokie, here me out. If he's there in the 4th or beyond he's worth serious consideration. There's talk that he might have to play wr, but I think it will really come down to his combine measurement. If he's actually 6' he can play qb. He can make every throw, is a great runner, poised & high character, pretty smart kid. If he's closer to 5'10 than 6' I don't see many teams wanting him to play qb.

He might be a luxury for this team, but even if he's not the qb of the future he could be fit in somewhere a la Brad Smith of the jets. He is definitely coachable & the type of guy that Shan likes.

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[quote=VTSkins;766284]IF the qb is on his back it doesn't matter who we have for recievers[/quote]

I'm with you on this. I'm a skills position loving fool also but I have mended my way of thinking. It does not matter who we bring in heck bring in the next BPA at TE ... again and it still won't matter. We do have many issues across the board but I think OL stands out. Clearly we saw what happens when the OL can't stop the rush or create a hole for the RB.

and.... people keep clammering for a Guard, why? I just don't get it. If you were going to build a house why would you start with the center support beam? why wouldn't you start with the outer beams first, ie; LT, C, RT? Maybe it's just me but I figure we can still make Heyer and some others servicable at Guard who sucked at LT or RT.

I'm not leaving out the DL either. We need help there also, especially at NT. Obviously on defense we need NT, LB, and FS. I can't figure out what Jarmin is going to be? DE/LB? He's not big enough for NT.

Look all I'm saying is I've been a skill position advocate for years.... it's not working. I'm ready to change my way of thinking to see if the bad ju ju the Skins have can be lifted.

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Not sure that anyone is clamoring for just a guard, it's one of many needs.

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[quote=SBXVII;769189]I'm with you on this. I'm a skills position loving fool also but I have mended my way of thinking. It does not matter who we bring in heck bring in the next BPA at TE ... again and it still won't matter. We do have many issues across the board but I think OL stands out. Clearly we saw what happens when the OL can't stop the rush or create a hole for the RB.

and.... people keep clammering for a Guard, why? I just don't get it. If you were going to build a house why would you start with the center support beam? why wouldn't you start with the outer beams first, ie; LT, C, RT? Maybe it's just me but I figure we can still make Heyer and some others servicable at Guard who sucked at LT or RT.

I'm not leaving out the DL either. We need help there also, especially at NT. Obviously on defense we need NT, LB, and FS. I can't figure out what Jarmin is going to be? DE/LB? He's not big enough for NT.

Look all I'm saying is I've been a skill position advocate for years.... it's not working. I'm ready to change my way of thinking to see if the bad ju ju the Skins have can be lifted.[/quote]

Guard has always been said to be one of the easiest positions to replace, but perhaps that assumes most teams have avg. guys at least on their roster. Our guards are guys that have struggled just to make a roster, much less start. It's not just the guards, but the C also. The interior of this line has been dominated quite a bit and not much investment in youth at those positions has been undertaken in years.

Watch for more of it on sunday. Rabach et al can't block Ratliff, but the pokes will also look to expose the A gap w/Brooking, James or a db blitzing straight up the middle. In the first dallas game, CP saved McNabb's ass at least 5 times w/last second blocks on guys up the middle.

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[quote=scott.sharrer;760453]
I agree Cooley is very valuable as a player in regards to blocking and helping the OL. I wouldn't say he is having a bad year, just an off year (better describes my opinion). He is a great asset but, IMO, having a good back up behind him does allow some room to move him.

Honestly though, I would be just as apt to go for trading Davis. He will have some value, not as much as Cooley, but his pass play abilities would get a little value (I would guess around a 4th round pick). I just don't think with all the upgrades we need, we should keep two starting caliber TEs on the roster unless they decide to go to two TE sets next season.

:food-smil[/quote]


Yeah, I agree with you. I don't really even see the need for two tight ends that in my mind are both really solid players. I don't even look at it as Cooley having an off year. With how much of a unified team effort football is, when an entire offense is struggling it's rare for one player to continue to have great seasons. It's like expecting great games from running backs with no line. Put Cooley or Davis back in a well balanced and effective offense and I think they're both really good. But do we need 2 of those at tight end or would it be better to grab a mid/late round draft pick and draft another Brandon Banks type or an under valued receiver like Colston, who I think went in the 6th or 7th to New Orleans?

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[quote=Texanskin;764042]I hear you.....I am concered because we are limited in our number of picks this year [COLOR=Red](1st, 2nd, 5th, 6th)[/COLOR]...not addressing the OL (our most glaring need) is risky. If the talent pool is limited with OL...then draft one in the 1st round at least. It is hard for me to watch our OL suck every game for us NOT to address it....but i will concede my point IF and only IF there are NO steller OL when we pick (other than LT). I believe we may fall right in the middle of the pack (10-21) because we can only get to 10-6 after winning the rest of our games........ok im done....just have to wait and see now.[/quote]


i think we have six picks this year.

1st
2nd
5th
5th From Saints in Brown trade.
6th
7th

The Saints will get our 3rd pick for Brown and Eagles will get the 4th. Still not enough picks to build a team with young talent. Maybe if we can trade one or our TE's we could get a 3rd or 4th for one of them. Not many tradeable players on our team. IMO the only players that other teams may want are Cooley, Davis, Laundry, Orakpo, Trent Williams.

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Looking at the upcoming crop of prospects, gotta say this is a down year for holding a top half 1st round draft pick. I see 1 great QB who probably wont come out. 2 really good CBs and 2 really good DTs(neither who would be NTs). Got 2 pretty good WRs...a pretty good DE outta Clemson. No top OL guys or RB prospects. A bunch of overrated UNC players coming out who have already been paid one way or another. I think Hightower the LB from Alabama or Pouncy the Guard for Florida are underrated....

What does everyone think? Bad year for talent? I see not alot of "wow" guys like I saw last year...I think it will be better to trade outta our position and grab mulitples picks, but I feel that way 75% regardless

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[quote=Chico23231;771185]Looking at the upcoming crop of prospects, gotta say this is a down year for holding a top half 1st round draft pick. I see 1 great QB who probably wont come out. 2 really good CBs and 2 really good DTs(neither who would be NTs). Got 2 pretty good WRs...a pretty good DE outta Clemson. No top OL guys or RB prospects. A bunch of overrated UNC players coming out who have already been paid one way or another. I think Hightower the LB from Alabama or Pouncy the Guard for Florida are underrated....

What does everyone think? Bad year for talent? I see not alot of "wow" guys like I saw last year...I think it will be better to trade outta our position and grab mulitples picks, but I feel that way 75% regardless[/quote]

I think your take sounds about right, but there could be a few good qb's in this draft & depending on how early the top 10 teams are willing to draft a qb, there could be Locker & Newton there in the teens. while I'm usually all for dropping back if possible, if Shan. sees a qb he likes this might be the year to do it.

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Interior linemen, por favor. I'm in favor of Pouncey. As far as qb goes... I could be talked into Locker, dead set against Cam Newton. We could also end up trading a pick next year for a player like Flynn in GB, depending on what Shanahan wants to do. In that case, pick up a stud WR with the 1st, Center/Guard with the 2nd and fill needs with the rest.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;771474]Interior linemen, por favor. I'm in favor of Pouncey. As far as qb goes... I could be talked into Locker, [B]dead set against Cam Newton[/B]. We could also end up trading a pick next year for a player like Flynn in GB, depending on what Shanahan wants to do. In that case, pick up a stud WR with the 1st, Center/Guard with the 2nd and fill needs with the rest.[/quote]

why? character issues? spread O doesn't translate well to nfl?

I'm not sayin he's a sure thing, but he's an intriguing talent.

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[quote=freddyg12;771479]why? character issues? spread O doesn't translate well to nfl?

I'm not sayin he's a sure thing, but he's an intriguing talent.[/quote]

I think he has enormous upside. Everyone talks bad about him because of that scandal. He did have the best passer rating in college this year didn't he if I'm not mistaken? Not only is he extremely mobile but he has a good arm too. I'm not saying I'm enamored with him but he does have the capability of being a very good QB. That said I'm still sticking with trading for Orton and drafting a Mallet or Ponder type.

Also, let me be heard now. I know some people might knock him, but I would like to give Tyrod Taylor a hard look. I live in Richmond and see all the ACC games locally and he has really impressed me this year. Plus everyone I talk to says he is a leader in the locker room and a tremendously stand up character guy. Plus we could get him later in the draft. Thoughts?

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[quote=redskins5044;769402]i think we have six picks this year.

1st
2nd
5th
5th From Saints in Brown trade.
6th
7th

The Saints will get our 3rd pick for Brown and Eagles will get the 4th. Still not enough picks to build a team with young talent. Maybe if we can trade one or our TE's we could get a 3rd or 4th for one of them. Not many tradeable players on our team. IMO the only players that other teams may want are Cooley, Davis, Laundry, Orakpo, Trent Williams.[/quote]


I think we get something for Tryon, from the Colts. Probably there 7th.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;771540]I think we get something for Tryon, from the Colts. Probably there 7th.[/quote]

I bet we'll get a real barn burned of a player with that pick.......................

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the draft should be used for offensive help first,in the order of QB,RB,offensive line and WR.the defence could be shored up mainly through free agency.bottom line,more team SPEED is needed.

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[quote=SkinzWin;771536]I think he has enormous upside. Everyone talks bad about him because of that scandal. He did have the best passer rating in college this year didn't he if I'm not mistaken? Not only is he extremely mobile but he has a good arm too. I'm not saying I'm enamored with him but he does have the capability of being a very good QB. That said I'm still sticking with trading for Orton and drafting a Mallet or Ponder type.

Also, let me be heard now. I know some people might knock him, but I [B]would like to give Tyrod Taylor a hard look.[/B] I live in Richmond and see all the ACC games locally and he has really impressed me this year. Plus everyone I talk to says he is a leader in the locker room and a tremendously stand up character guy. Plus we could get him later in the draft. Thoughts?[/quote]

I'm a Hokie so I would love it if Tyrod got a look from skins scouts. I think it will come down (no pun intended) to his height. If he's under 6' (which I believe the combine will reveal that he is) I don't see many teams getting him to play qb. He is a solid all around guy, the type that Shanahan likes. I could see him playing wr, returning punts & having an ARE type role if nothing else.

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I agree they should trade Fred Davis for a draft pick.the rookie TE Paulsen looks like he will be a good player down the road.another option for the draft is taking a RB like Kevin Williams from VT in 1st rd and a QB like Colin Kaepernick from nevada in the 3rd or 4th rd.he's big and fast too.:food-smil

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[quote=skinsfan57;771683]I agree they should trade Fred Davis for a draft pick.the rookie TE Paulsen looks like he will be a good player down the road.another option for the draft is taking a RB like Kevin Williams from VT in 1st rd and a QB like Colin Kaepernick from nevada in the 3rd or 4th rd.he's big and fast too.:food-smil[/quote]

Yeah, i think Davis may be our only tradeable commodity (and Cooley possibly, but i'd prefer not to think about it). I wouldn't expect we'd get more than a 4th, possibly a third if we're lucky. The guys got talent though.

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[quote=freddyg12;771637]I'm a Hokie so I would love it if Tyrod got a look from skins scouts. I think it will come down (no pun intended) to his height. If he's under 6' (which I believe the combine will reveal that he is) I don't see many teams getting him to play qb. He is a solid all around guy, the type that Shanahan likes. I could see him playing wr, returning punts & having an ARE type role if nothing else.[/quote]

They said the same thing about Drew Brees, and he's been a big disappointment hasn't he?

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[url=http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-falcons-blog/2010/12/16/ex-nfl-scout-auburns-cam-newton-is-not-a-first-round-draft-pick/?cxntfid=blogs_atlanta_falcons_blog]Ex-NFL scout: Cam Newton is not a 1st round draft pick | Atlanta Falcons[/url]

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I'm watching College Football Live right now. They just sold me on wanting to draft Kellen Moore. He got the Boise State play book off the internet and had it memorized BEFORE he went to school there. They said he was teaching OLinemen where to go when he first got there. He is a film rat and his processing and ability to read defenses is faster than just about anyone. Sounds like a Peyton Manning-esque kind of player to me. I am going to be pulling for Shanny to draft him now. I am officially starting the Kellen Moore Mob. Whose with me?

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[quote=Terpfan76;760571]With the issues the team currently has at so many different positions, I feel the Skins need to just start drafting the best available player regardless of position. We certainly aren't stacked anywhere, so it wouldn't hurt. I few players I feel could be great for us but in no particular order are:

Nick Fairley DT Auburn. That guy is a beast and would look good at DE.

Nate Solder OT Colorado. He's a 6'9" converted TE. He has the athleticism to play in the zone/one cut rushing scheme.

Rodney Hudson G/C FSU. He lacks size, but is agile/quick and has been a long time starter for the Seminoles.

Marvin Austin DT UNC. I don't know how far he'll drop due to his getting kicked of the team at UNC, but his skills are many. If he falls pretty far, might be worth taking a shot at.

Stefen Wisniewski C/G PSU. Previous poster spelled it out pretty well.

Phil Taylor DT Baylor. He transferred from PSU due to lack of PT. He's massive at 6'4" 340 and would be a good fit in our 3-4 as a later round pick.

[B]Leonard Hankerson WR Miam[/B]i. Has excellent size and has been very productive at the U. We haven't had much luck with drafting wr's lately though so I'm not too excited by the idea of taking one very early.

[B]Alex Wujack LB UMD[/B]. I don't know that he'll blow anyone away with his measurables, but I'd love to see him as an ILB wearing Burgandy and Gold. At 6'3" 250, he has pretty good size and is a tackling machine.[/quote]

both these guys are going to be practice squad, won't make it type players in the nfl

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[quote=SkinzWin;771733]I'm watching College Football Live right now. They just sold me on wanting to draft Kellen Moore. He got the Boise State play book off the internet and had it memorized BEFORE he went to school there. They said he was teaching OLinemen where to go when he first got there. He is a film rat and his processing and ability to read defenses is faster than just about anyone. Sounds like a Peyton Manning-esque kind of player to me. I am going to be pulling for Shanny to draft him now. I am officially starting the Kellen Moore Mob. Whose with me?[/quote]

I've been wanting to draft him since i saw him tear up VT this year. He's very smart very accurate, and has an underrated arm. We have to wait a year though because he isn't coming out of the draft this year..

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[quote=CultBrennan59;771857]both these guys are going to be practice squad, won't make it type players in the nfl[/quote]


You may be right about Wujak, but you're out of your mind if you think Hankerson will be a PS type player. If I was a betting man, I'd put money on him being at least a late first round to second round pick. He may lack speed, but he has everything else that teams look for in #1 receivers. The War Room at The Sporting News has Hankerson currently rated as the #18 over all player in the draft and #4 WR. They have him going 21st to the Rams in their current Mock Draft. Hankerson's player profile: [url=http://warroom.sportingnews.com/nfl/draft/2011/players/10128.html]SportingNews.com - Pro Football War Room[/url]
I'd love to see Wujak in Washington on the PS. He's the type of player that will work his ass off until he makes it on the field and we clearly don't have enough of those type players.

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[quote=SkinzWin;771733]I'm watching College Football Live right now. They just sold me on wanting to draft Kellen Moore. He got the Boise State play book off the internet and had it memorized BEFORE he went to school there. They said he was teaching OLinemen where to go when he first got there. He is a film rat and his processing and ability to read defenses is faster than just about anyone. Sounds like a Peyton Manning-esque kind of player to me. I am going to be pulling for Shanny to draft him now. I am officially starting the Kellen Moore Mob. Whose with me?[/quote]

I'll pass (no pun intended). He's had a fantastic college career and I'd love to see him do well, but if the Skins wasted a pick on him, I'd probably throw up. A priority FA, that wouldn't bother me, but don't waste a pick on him. He sounds as though he'll make a better coach from your description than a player, but hey, who knows.

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[quote=SkinzWin;771733]I'm watching College Football Live right now. They just sold me on wanting to draft Kellen Moore. He got the Boise State play book off the internet and had it memorized BEFORE he went to school there. They said he was teaching OLinemen where to go when he first got there. He is a film rat and his processing and ability to read defenses is faster than just about anyone. Sounds like a Peyton Manning-esque kind of player to me. I am going to be pulling for Shanny to draft him now. I am officially starting the Kellen Moore Mob. Whose with me?[/quote]

Kellen was on the Dan Patrick show about a week ago and he said he was coming back for his senior season

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[quote=WaldSkins;772006]Kellen was on the Dan Patrick show about a week ago and he said he was coming back for his senior season[/quote]

I didn't know that. I thought he was coming out. For the draft.... I guess I'm going to have to shut down the flier and banner making machines.:mad:

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don't worry,there will be plenty of QB's available for the draft.:food-smil

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Im gonna go ahead throw my support behind taking AJ Green WR with our first pick. I dont see a quarterback outside of Luck worth a first and Im doubting Luck is coming out. Oline pick is out of the question at our position. OT are weak and I wouldnt support taking an interior lineman with a top 15 pick. Not one first round RB talent either this year. Ingram? ha, not that good.

Green is the best WR in the draft and what i consider a threat everytime he touches the ball...wouldnt that be nice for a change? DaQuan Bowers would be my second choice, top on defense. But he is probably gonna go between 5-10...maybe higher.

So with the Redskins first pick, AJ Green WR out of Georgia

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[quote=SkinzWin;772014]I didn't know that. I thought he was coming out. For the draft.... I guess I'm going to have to shut down the flier and banner making machines.:mad:[/quote]

I say we draft him in 2012. Weak arm my ass. I have already stated this on other threads, but everytime I catcfh BSU on TV or get a chance to see their highlights, Moore is at least throwing a few 60 yard bombs, and that is 60 yars in the air. Still though, we would be better served in drafting a QB from a bigtime program that played a substantial schedule than a very good team that played cupcakes, and got blasted by the only decent teams on their schedule. He would make a good backup for us if we don't draft one this season. Would be nice to see him make it, but his situation is too much like Colt Brennan's.