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Backrow, you're probably right. I got lazy. Cause I ain't paid enough for this sh*t. **** it, I'm skipping mod OTAs!

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[quote=SmootSmack;780623]Backrow, you're probably right. I got lazy. Cause I ain't paid enough for this sh*t. **** it, I'm skipping mod OTAs![/quote]

Again? LOL.

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[quote=GTripp0012;780620]Voted for LB. I would take Gabbert if he's there unless there was one specific defensive player who we were really loving who unexpectedly dropped (Amakumara, for example, or perhaps Miller or Dareus). Or, of course, AJ Green, who would top my board for the Redskins. But assuming all the need + value players don't make it out of the top nine, [B]Gabbert would be my target[/B].

If all five of those players are gone, then I'm looking for OLBs or DEs such as Cameron Jordan, Robert Quinn, etc. My pick would be on that side of the ball.[/quote]Why Gabbert?

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I really can't believe all the people who have voted for QB either. I just don't see anyone worth rolling the dice for at #10. Take a guy you know is going to be a stud starter for years to come in one of the many other positions in need of an upgrade. Any of the QB's taken at #10 this year will not be close to guaranteed starters on this roster for years to come. We can't afford more set backs.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;780617]I think I'm the loner here wanting to draft Newton. He remindes alot of Big Ben.[/quote]

Walterfooball.com......

[quote][IMG]http://walterfootball.com/college/Auburn_logo.gif[/IMG] [B]Cameron Newton, Auburn [/B][B]
Height: 6-6. Weight: 246.
Projected 40 Time: 4.64.
Combine 40 Time: .
Pro Day 40 Time: .
Hand: .
Projected Round (2011): Top 16 Pick. [/B]
[I]1/24/11: [/I]Cam Newton had a brilliant season, parlaying a $180,000 contract into a national championship. He's very raw, but possesses enough tools to intrigue a team like the Dolphins.

[I]7/25/10: [/I]Cameron Newton has great size and athleticism to be a very effective collegiate quarterback, but like Dan LeFevour, will be downgraded for playing in a gimmick offense. [/quote]

There is something about Newton that just makes me think he would not fit well in our scheme. WalterFootball might have explained it best but I would have said he just doesn't look to have enough patients to wait for a play to develope before deciding to run. It's one thing to scramble to get away from pressure or scramble to get to a better position to throw the ball but Newton looks (to me) like he would rather run the ball like Mike Vick in his early years.

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For the Mallet lovers....
[QUOTE] Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - Scouting Report
Height: 6-7. Weight: 238.
Projected 40 Time: 5.05.
Combine 40 Time: .
Pro Day 40 Time: .
Hand: .
Projected Round (2011): 2-3.
1/24/11: Ryan Mallett has JaMarcus Russell-like character concerns and a Byron Leftwich-like release. There's upside, but that's about it.

10/1/10: Mallett's team is winning and he's putting up good stats, but if you take a closer look his accuracy is highly inconsistent, he has poor mechanics, and he struggles with mobility and has a hard time eluding pass rushers. Mallett is a bit of a statue in the pocket and doesn't create throwing lanes outside the tackle box when his receivers struggle to get open. We're not buying the hype anymore, and neither should you.

3/29/10: At 6-7 with a massive arm, Ryan Mallett looks like a franchise quarterback. His 2009 numbers (3,624 yards, 30 TDs, 7 INTs, 9.0 YPA) will tell you that as well. He's a bit raw and needs to work on decision-making, but he could easily leapfrog Jake Locker on this list next year.
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[quote=SBXVII;780627]Walterfooball.com......



There is something about Newton that just makes me think he would not fit well in our scheme. WalterFootball might have explained it best but I would have said he just doesn't look to have enough patients to wait for a play to develope before deciding to run. It's one thing to scramble to get away from pressure or scramble to get to a better position to throw the ball but Newton looks (to me) like he would rather run the ball like Mike Vick in his early years.[/quote]

Problem solve! All we have to do is draft him, get him hooked on illegal dog fighting, hold onto him until after he gets out of jail, and, SUPER BOWL! BOOK IT!!

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Here is CBS's take on Newton, I'm posting the negatives yes I know only so people can see the issues he has. But he does have positive sides to him also....

[QUOTE]Setup/Release: An area of legitimate concern. Takes virtually all of his snaps out of the shotgun and while he clearly has the athleticism to handle dropping back from center, will be making the difficult transition of doing so while making multiple reads of the defense -- something he wasn't often asked to do at Auburn. Possesses an efficient, over the top release with good follow-through. Generally steps into his throws, though he will too often fail to do so when on the move. Stops his feet and will shotput throws, leading to passes fluttering and coming up short. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Reading Defenses: Another area of concern. Was only asked to make 1-2 reads at Auburn before having free reign to tuck the ball and run with it. Rarely was challenged with complicated blitz packages as collegiate defenses typically were more worried about protecting against the run. Essentially will be asked to make twice as many reads in half as much time in the NFL. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Intangibles: Scouts question whether he has the football intelligence necessary to handle the myriad of formations and adjustments to be successful in a pro offense. Though his football IQ has been questioned, scouts rave about his poise on and off the field, as well as his leadership ability.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]On the Move: Clearly his greatest trait. Buys time in the pocket while keeping his eyes downfield. Can elude defenders in tight quarters due to good elusiveness for the position. Rare acceleration. Possesses a second gear to sneak through cracks in the defense and break away. Possesses rare strength and size. Can bowl over defenders to gain yardage. Every bit as dangerous as a runner as he is a receiver. Capable of completing throws with defenders draped on him. [/QUOTE]

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1273186]Cameron Newton, Auburn, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url]

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I hope the majority who said QB didn't do so with Locker on their mind. Why? Because seriously ... there is 9 teams ahead of the Skins who; will be, could be, or might be looking for a QB and if Locker is the top QB as every media pundit is trying to do with him right now .... he most likely will be gone by #10.

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[quote=SBXVII;780634]I hope the majority who said QB didn't do so with Locker on their mind. Why? Because seriously ... there is 9 teams ahead of the Skins who; will be, could be, or might be looking for a QB and if Locker is the top QB as every media pundit is trying to do with him right now .... he most likely will be gone by #10.[/quote]

I wouldn't be shocked if Locker is taken before Gabbert

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[quote=skinsfaninok;780636]I wouldn't be shocked if Locker is taken before Gabbert[/quote]

I hope all of the QBs are taken before #10 so Von Miller will still be there...

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[quote=SkinzWin;780640]I hope all of the QBs are taken before #10 so Von Miller will still be there...[/quote]

I like that scenario.

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That scouting report on Cam Newton has one terribly bogus projection.

4.64 forty?

No fing way. That guy is fast as ****. He makes SEC safties and cb's look like pylons.

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@skinzwin

I doubt Dalton will be there in the 2nd, I've heard he's impressing a lot of scouts so far. Also saw ponder was hurt? And Titus young was compared to desean Jackson now that's saying something

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[quote=skinsfaninok;779730]Andy Dalton is the sleeper of this draft watch[/quote]


Dalton's college football highlights look impressive. However, I think the sleeper will be Colin Kaepernick of Nevada will make an impression on you guys soon if he hasn't done it already.

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[quote=wilsowilso;780642]That scouting report on Cam Newton has one terribly bogus projection.

4.64 forty?

No fing way. That guy is fast as ****. He makes SEC safties and cb's look like pylons.[/quote]


Maybe he should change positions and become that fast FB we need. LOL

Too much of a project folks. He's working with a QB coach so he must know he has some glaring inadequacies. He will be thinking too much out there and get buried. Stay away from the better than "Tim Tebow".

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[quote=SBXVII;780634]I hope the majority who said QB didn't do so with Locker on their mind. Why? Because seriously ... there is 9 teams ahead of the Skins who; will be, could be, or might be looking for a QB and if Locker is the top QB as every media pundit is trying to do with him right now .... he most likely will be gone by #10.[/quote]

Josh Freeman hung around until the mid-late first round. Aaron Rogers fell to 24th!

......Dan Marino fell a bit too.

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[quote=SkinzWin;780640]I hope all of the QBs are taken before #10 so Von Miller will still be there...[/quote]

I'd be stunned

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Is it just me or is Locker looking more and more like he's going to be our guy?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;780650]Is it just me or is Locker looking more and more like he's going to be our guy?[/quote]

It is not just you.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;780650]Is it just me or is Locker looking more and more like he's going to be our guy?[/quote]

I hope he is

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[quote=Dirtbag359;780650]Is it just me or is Locker looking more and more like he's going to be our guy?[/quote]

It's looking that way.

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[quote=53Fan;780675]It's looking that way.[/quote]
What makes you think that? I say this in a curious way because I haven't really seen any signs of this.

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meh, it's January. A lot can (and will) change between now and the draft.

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[URL="http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/36511/a-look-in-on-jake-locker"]A look at Jake Locker - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN[/URL]

[URL="http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/01/26/qb-ponder-has-strong-showing-on-wednesday/?module=HP_cp2"]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive QB Ponder has strong [/URL][URL="http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/01/26/qb-ponder-has-strong-showing-on-wednesday/?module=HP_cp2"]showing on Wednesday «[/URL]

[url=http://www.nfl.com/seniorbowl/story/09000d5d81df014c/article/purdues-kerrigan-among-prospects-flashing-elite-skills?module=HP_cp2]NFL.com news: Purdue's Kerrigan among prospects flashing elite skills[/url]

Looks like this Purdue kid may be another Clay Matthews

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[quote=SmootSmack;780649]I'd be stunned[/quote]

Oh I know it won't happen but there are a few teams that need a QB ahead of us. Its just my personal opinion I'd rather not take a risk on one of this year's QBs at #10, so if all the QBs that are worth being taken in the first round are gone it'll take the decision out of it and hopefully someone like Von Miller would be a no brainer decision.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;780682][URL="http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/36511/a-look-in-on-jake-locker"]A look at Jake Locker - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN[/URL]

[URL="http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/01/26/qb-ponder-has-strong-showing-on-wednesday/?module=HP_cp2"]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive QB Ponder has strong [/URL][URL="http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/01/26/qb-ponder-has-strong-showing-on-wednesday/?module=HP_cp2"]showing on Wednesday «[/URL]

[url=http://www.nfl.com/seniorbowl/story/09000d5d81df014c/article/purdues-kerrigan-among-prospects-flashing-elite-skills?module=HP_cp2]NFL.com news: Purdue's Kerrigan among prospects flashing elite skills[/url]

Looks like this Purdue kid may be another Clay Matthews[/quote]

IMO the problem with Kerrigan, who is an explosive pass rusher, is that he is too slow to play in coverage as a linebacker. And he is too small to play on the 3-4 defensive line.

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[quote=Lotus;780684]IMO the problem with Kerrigan, who is an explosive pass rusher, is that he is too slow to play in coverage as a linebacker. And he is too small to play on the 3-4 defensive line.[/quote]


I'd rather have Miller if we go that route

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I'm sure Kerrigan is someone they'd consider...but still hearing Quinn's name quite a bit

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[quote=wilsowilso;780642]That scouting report on Cam Newton has one terribly bogus projection.

4.64 forty?

No fing way. That guy is fast as ****. He makes SEC safties and cb's look like pylons.[/quote]

So you think 4.64 isn't fast? It is, especially for a qb, he was running against a lot of SEC db's that run in the 4.6 range I bet.

Not saying you specifically, but I think many of us get caught up in 40 times & think that 4.3 is exponentially faster than 4.6. Sure it's considerably faster, but we're still talking tenths of a second. An elusive 4.6 offensive player can make up that difference & then some w/one quick move to get a defender behind him.

A qb that runs as fast as 4.6 is still pretty rare in the nfl.

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Day 3 Breakdown.

[url=http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/27/senior-bowl-day-3-risers-fallers-and-steady-as-they-go/]Senior Bowl, Day 3: Risers, Fallers and Steady as They Go - NYTimes.com[/url]

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[quote=freddyg12;780688]So you think 4.64 isn't fast? It is, especially for a qb, he was running against a lot of SEC db's that run in the 4.6 range I bet.

Not saying you specifically, but I think many of us get caught up in 40 times & think that 4.3 is exponentially faster than 4.6. Sure it's considerably faster, but we're still talking tenths of a second. An elusive 4.6 offensive player can make up that difference & then some w/one quick move to get a defender behind him.

A qb that runs as fast as 4.6 is still pretty rare in the nfl.[/quote]

Sure 4.64 is fast especially for a qb, but I think there will be two sub 4.5 qb's at this years combine alone.

Jake Locker is even faster than Newton, but I still think Newton is getting below 4.5 although he has such long strides his timed speed might not be as good as the tape.

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[quote=wilsowilso;780697]Sure 4.64 is fast especially for a qb, but I think there will be two sub 4.5 qb's at this years combine alone.

Jake Locker is even faster than Newton, but I still think Newton is getting below 4.5 although he has such long strides his timed speed might not be as good as the tape.[/quote]

Two sub 4.5s - that's rare. The combine is good for actually getting REAL #s on these guys, rather than what their schools report.

They say you can't teach speed, which is true essentially, but you can teach sprinting technique. Guys can improve by a tenth or so in the 40 simply by working on their stance & first step out of the blocks & correcting flaws in form. i.e. to some degree, I believe the 40 test becomes a "teaching the test" excercise.

Generally, long strides are not conducive to sprinting. The longer the stride, the quicker the turnover has to be. Sprinters win w/short, quick strides.

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[quote=redsk1;780693]Day 3 Breakdown.

[url=http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/27/senior-bowl-day-3-risers-fallers-and-steady-as-they-go/]Senior Bowl, Day 3: Risers, Fallers and Steady as They Go - NYTimes.com[/url][/quote]

Great quote on Locker and his well documented accuracy issues: "According to Lande, who learned his craft under the likes of Dick Vermeil and is known for strong pre-draft grades for Tom Brady and Marc Bulger, if a quarterback does everything well technically but still isn’t accurate, there isn’t much you can do with him."

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Well that was a waste of my time today. They went to commercial every five minutes and refused to show anything..

I'd like to say Locker sucked because out of the 10 plays they showed of him, one was an interception and the other a dropped snapped... but I'll take this stuff with a grain of salt.

The Bengals offensive coordinator was noticeably frustrated with Locker's play.

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It's hard to say 'trade the pick', but i did and here is why. I believe minus TE we take the best player available. But if the draft falls to where we can move back to later in the 1st and pick up a mid round pick, i think you have to do that to help fill in for the loss of draft picks via the Donovan trade. We need talented young bodies, and if the draft is more or less throwing shit at a wall and seeing what sticks(which i think it is), then we need a whole hell of a lot more shit.

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Is there a pass rushing type of stud that would be possibly available at #10? Or even a lockdown corner? Gotta go BPA based on needs at #10.

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If nothing else, Locker's stock dropping is good for us. He may fall to the 2nd like Clausen last year. If Shanny really likes him but thinks he can get him in the 2nd, at least the risk/bust factor is much reduced, though we need virtually ALL of our picks to be starters w/in a couple years.

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[quote=freddyg12;780718]If nothing else, Locker's stock dropping is good for us. He may fall to the 2nd like Clausen last year. If Shanny really likes him but thinks he can get him in the 2nd, at least the risk/bust factor is much reduced, though we need virtually ALL of our picks to be starters w/in a couple years.[/quote]

I wouldn't be surprised if we, along with some other teams, use this year to select a QB and then again next year. A lot of scouts/execs feel this could be a year to get a guy who can be your solid long-term #2/potential starter and next year there are more franchise QB options. With the 18 game season potentially on the horizon, teams are feeling more and more pressure to have 2 QBs.

Not having free agency before the draft complicates things because guys like OG Davin Joseph, LB LaMarr Woodley and RB (who I have not yet been able to identify) I know are high on our radar, but if we can't get them before the draft it changes our thinking.

I'm not convinced that we're seriously interested in Newton or Locker or any other QB at 10. Not right now at least. But we'll show it because likely one of them will be there when we pick and we'd like to move down or out of the 1st and pick up extra 2nd,3rd, and/or 4th round picks where guys like Stanzi or Ponder are on our radar.

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[quote=Mattyk;780716]Is there a pass rushing type of stud that would be possibly available at #10? Or even a lockdown corner? Gotta go BPA based on needs at #10.[/quote]

Von Miller is a pass rushing stud who I've been talking about since the NCAA season ended. Since his stock is rising quickly, he'll most likely be gone which leaves us with Robert Quinn or Ryan Kerrigan who's more of a natural 4-3 DE. Anyone else would be a big reach.