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Not sure it's even worth calling a PR move. A writer has a beer with Snyder in New Orleans and writes about it in his blog and it gets mentioned in a WP blog. Blogs these days are full of mundane items like this.

If that's a PR plug our PR guy isn't earning his pay.

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Cynicism rules the day!!

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[quote=Mattyk;790147]I agree FD. The average fan doesn't give two shits about this stuff.[/quote]

I sure as hell don't. I mean the guy has a beef with a newspaper, so the **** what. Guy has a beer in the French Quarter, if he didn't what the hell would he be there for ? Alls I give a shit about is teh team that I liek to watch. I didn tknow what the hell Jack or John Kent Cooke did in their personal lives and I really dont care about Dannys.

We need to get our priorities in check. **** the losing tenure, look towards next year. Have fun being a fan people, ****. But I know what they'll say, how can I when he keeps SHUT THE HELL UP. Learn to say I don't care, because it's really that easy. I have friends who try to,...why am I talking about this shit. It's drinking time !

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[quote=Mattyk;790157]Not sure it's even worth calling a PR move. A writer has a beer with Snyder in New Orleans and writes about it in his blog and it gets mentioned in a WP blog. Blogs these days are full of mundane items like this.

If that's a PR plug our PR guy isn't earning his pay.[/quote]

I'm telling you Matty...it's not even worth replying to anymore

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[quote=SmootSmack;790163]I'm telling you Matty...it's not even worth replying to anymore[/quote]

obviously matty isn't listening...it's not even worth replying to anymore...

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[quote=mlmpetert;790149]My bad i misread it and thought it was Steinberg’s encounter.

But that doesnt really change the thoughts in my post. Youre supposed to act like a decent person all the time, people rarely get called out and recognized for doing positive or non-negative stuff. A new thread started about how Snyder somehow managed not to do anything bad last week [I]wouldnt[/I] generate over a page worth of replies, because it illustrates how a normal decent person acts.[/quote]

I've been critical of Snyder and likely will be again.

But wouldn't it be great to have 15 minutes with him to see if our media-fueled perceptions of him are accurate or not? And if we found out that he was not such a bad guy in those 15 minutes, wouldn't that make our perceptions more real and meaningful?

I grant that 15 minutes is a very short time to get to know someone. But it beats the heck out of zero minutes.

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Im sure dan can be a nice guy to hang out with and be around, maybe he tells really good stories and makes everyone laugh.

But i look at like what does it matter if he makes a good first impression or if hes a fun guy to hang out with. Maybe Mike Vick was a great guy to grab a beer with back when he was killing dogs. If you knew what Vick was going to do after he pays your tab would you still be chummy with him or would think to yourself this guy is a piece of trash.

Actions speak louder then words in my opinion. All Snyder has to do is stop being a piece of shit and my impression of him will change. Until then id pass on his free beer and giving 15 minutes of my time to him.

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As we've been over he's done a lot of good stuff off the field, which in my view carries more weight as to the kind of person he is vs. the things that he's done that impact on the field stuff. But I know, nobody wants to hear about that. A feud with a newspaper is what defines him.

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[quote=Mattyk;790228]As we've been over he's done a lot of good stuff off the field, which in my view carries more weight as to the kind of person he is vs. the things that he's done that impact on the field stuff. But I know, nobody wants to hear about that. A feud with a newspaper is what defines him.[/quote]

Matt you are forgetting that a guy I knew saw a guy who said he talked to a guy whose cousin used to work for a guy whose sister had a boyfriend whose 6th grade teacher him and Dan was a dick to him. Also, you are forgetting about the time he bled the breaks on that school bus full of children and nuns. Also, he ended the Washington Redskins' streak of 58 consecutive Super Bowls.

Mmmm, must be drinking the Kool Aid. Never thought it would be you....

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[quote=Mattyk;790228]As we've been over he's done a lot of good stuff off the field, which in my view carries more weight as to the kind of person he is vs. the things that he's done that impact on the field stuff. But I know, nobody wants to hear about that. A feud with a newspaper is what defines him.[/quote]


Maybe but what your missing is .....was it imported or domestic beer, was it a bottle or a draft......was it a glass or a mug....THESE are the things that will define him in life!!!:headbange

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I see no problem with that piece to be honest with you, and really don't care as long as it's not negative. Cool, so "Dan" wants to make people think he's just one of the boys out having a beer with the cohorts. All good, no hating here. Do I think it's a PR move? Probably not, but I do think this part was included for a specific reason.

[quote]I said it was good to meet you, Mr. Snyder. “Dan,’’ he said.[/quote]


[quote=Mattyk;790228]As we've been over he's done a lot of good stuff off the field, which in my view carries more weight as to the kind of person he is vs. the things that he's done that impact on the field stuff. But I know, nobody wants to hear about that. A feud with a newspaper is what defines him.[/quote]

Not sure I'm reading this right, but are you saying the good he's done has outweighed the bad in terms of "what kind of person" he is? If so, that statement is laughable. There is no way in hell this guy has done enough good to atone for the bad he's done. So what he gives to charity, that's tax deductible and benefits him just as much as it does the recipients. Let me know when you see Dan volunteering his time at the local homeless shelter, food bank, or other various public needs.


That said, what really matters in the end is that he stays clear the **** away from the football side of things. If Dan wants to be a douchebag and overcharge you guys out the ass, then fine by me. If Dan wants to make it so you can't walk onto the premises and have to pay his exuberant parking fees, fine by me. I dont' even care if he raises the beer costs to $25 a cup or $15 for a hot dog. That stuff doesn't matter to me. What does matter is that he stays away from football operations, and how he represents this organization.

Like it or not, Dan Snyder IS the Washington Redskins. When the Redskins are trashed and viewed as dysfunctional, it's all because it starts at the top.

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the weird thing i find about snyder is the fans that will villify other fans for disliking him and defend him as if they know him claiming that we are all just haters that want to hate. you can say he donated to charities but what weight does that carry? is he the only billionare that give money to charities, no. but you hear about it all the time from people claiming he is a good person based on his acts of charity. why is that? just because someone donates a large sum of money to a charity does that make them a good person?

we have been up and down this road 100 times, i just don't really understand the reason why anyone would choose to defend him anymore, is it based soley off his donations?

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Don't confuse being a Snyder "fan" with simply pointing out the other side of the argument. I'm not a Snyder fan. I'm well aware of his F ups. Just saying there are more important things in life to be judged on. Some of you are so jaded you can't even acknowledge the possibility of there being another side to the argument.

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[quote=Mattyk;790264]Don't confuse being a Snyder "fan" with simply pointing out the other side of the argument. I'm not a Snyder fan. I'm well aware of his F ups. Just saying there are more important things in life to be judged on. Some of you are so jaded you can't even acknowledge the possibility of there being another side to the argument.[/quote]

i'm not saying it doesn't exist, i just think he has shown his true colors over the years he has been here. i was a huge fan when he first got here, then he fired marty and we all know what happened next.


so based on his track record since he has joined the team, that is what i base my view of ds.

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Well I guess I'm dragging myself back into this. Snyder does a lot more than just donate his money and use of his private plane. The majority of charitable events the Redskins sponsor-food drives, park cleanup, playground renovation, etc-he's there helping out. I really don't know him very well myself and I have some bad stories, that most of you probably don't know about. But most people ibtak to who know him have nothing but good things to say about him as a person. He just doesn't that type of personality that conveys it. Do I wish some things were different? Sure. Who doesn't? But honestly, much of the hatred is based on speculation and ignorance to the world of sports ownership and the relation between sports teams and the media. What this thread is originally about is stuff that I've dealt with many many times over the past 15 years with leagues, teams, and even players. But it's understood that isn't brought up in public. Yet no one seems to say anything about the post's actions here. But again that's largely due to ignorance people have that this type of situation has never happened before. Call me an apologist if you want, but I'd rather be that then someone who compares protecting a brand with systematically executing dogs.

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It's not worth it SS!! I know I haven't learned either.

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All of this to me leads back to what is a terribly ironic problem the Danny has; image. I say that because he has seemed to be disproportionately concerned w/his image to the extent that it's exacerbated his already poor public image. This from a guy who has a knack for marketing.

I wonder if part of it may be due to a lack of charisma, public confidence & media appeal. To contrast, you may hate Jerry Jones, but he's publicly accountable, confident in his speech & comfortable in his role as a public figure. Snyder just doesn't exude any of the above. In politics, it is rare these days that a congressman or other publicly elected major office holder is a poor public speaker (GW Bush is an exception). As an nfl team owner, DS doesn't have to have that same ability, but needs to realize he's as much a public figure. Not saying Snyder is a poor speaker per se, but he's not good at it & not comfortable w/it.

That alone can't explain why people hate him. There are obvious reasons, such as our team's big payroll & small no. of wins in his tenure. But it's hard to ignore a respectable journalist like John Feinstein when he gives a detailed account of how the Danny has acted childishly. The suit against City Paper really makes it hard to side w/the Danny, even if the paper was questionable in some of its "facts."

If you want to play w/the big boys you have to accept all that goes w/it. IMO the Danny could improve his image & the team by being more publicly accountable, and simply ignoring some of the criticism that comes his way. As an NFL owner if you can't handle criticism from the media, you probably are in for a tough time.

It's not just about what DS supposedly did or didn't do, most fans aren't interested in looking into all his past actions, it's more about how he handles the spotlight. Sadly, through his reactions to the media, he comes across as petulant, insecure and petty more often than not.

I certainly hope in his 'maturity' as an owner that he can become comfortable in his own skin & realize that people will actually respect him more if he stands by his decisions & doesn't worry about what the media reports about he & the team.

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[quote=NC_Skins;790261]I see no problem with that piece to be honest with you, and really don't care as long as it's not negative. Cool, so "Dan" wants to make people think he's just one of the boys out having a beer with the cohorts. All good, no hating here. Do I think it's a PR move? Probably not, but I do think this part was included for a specific reason.






Not sure I'm reading this right, but are you saying the good he's done has outweighed the bad in terms of "what kind of person" he is? If so, that statement is laughable. There is no way in hell this guy has done enough good to atone for the bad he's done. So what he gives to charity, that's tax deductible and benefits him just as much as it does the recipients. Let me know when you see Dan volunteering his time at the local homeless shelter, food bank, or other various public needs.


That said, what really matters in the end is that he stays clear the **** away from the football side of things. If Dan wants to be a douchebag and overcharge you guys out the ass, then fine by me. If Dan wants to make it so you can't walk onto the premises and have to pay his exuberant parking fees, fine by me. I dont' even care if he raises the beer costs to $25 a cup or $15 for a hot dog. That stuff doesn't matter to me. What does matter is that he stays away from football operations, and how he represents this organization.

Like it or not, Dan Snyder IS the Washington Redskins. When the Redskins are trashed and viewed as dysfunctional, it's all because it starts at the top.[/quote]

I love the fan that says he will not support the team by paying the high food and ticket prices but will watch the game on TV. You do know they make a hugh chunk of money off those TV deals. You must not attend any other pro sports events, concerts, etc.... because none of them are cheap and the prices at FedEx are in line if not lower then other events. Laugh at me I just paid $159 X 2=$318 for Jimmy Buffet tickets and that was a direct purchase from Ticketmaster.

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There is a middle ground here. I have revisited this particular issue and i realize it is not as big of a deal as I thought. As for DS' past incidents arguments can be made. However, I do not think you can fault a guy for donating to charity or public work. That makes a real difference and it is not something he has to do. Give him credit where it is due.

I do agree that it would be great if DS took a backseat role with this team, but it is his money so he can do whatever he wants. I do not think, he needs to get involved with petty issues, however, like the City Paper incident.

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[quote=SmootSmack;790289]Well I guess I'm dragging myself back into this. Snyder does a lot more than just donate his money and use of his private plane. The majority of charitable events the Redskins sponsor-food drives, park cleanup, playground renovation, etc-he's there helping out. I really don't know him very well myself and I have some bad stories, that most of you probably don't know about. But most people ibtak to who know him have nothing but good things to say about him as a person. He just doesn't that type of personality that conveys it. Do I wish some things were different? Sure. Who doesn't? But honestly, much of the hatred is based on speculation and ignorance to the world of sports ownership and the relation between sports teams and the media. What this thread is originally about is stuff that I've dealt with many many times over the past 15 years with leagues, teams, and even players. But it's understood that isn't brought up in public. Yet no one seems to say anything about the post's actions here. But again that's largely due to ignorance people have that this type of situation has never happened before. [B]Call me an apologist if you want, but I'd rather be that then someone who compares protecting a brand with systematically executing dogs[/B].[/quote]

[COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2][COLOR=black]I mean come on do you really think Im comparing a guy that’s merely protecting his brand to a guy that is systematically killing dogs? No im comparing a guy who; [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2][COLOR=black]sues fans, sues small newspapers, sells expired peanuts to fans, bans signs for safety concerns while also giving out promotional signs, kills trees to view the potomac river, buys up media outlets to control criticism, allows raciest depictions of Asians at 6 flags, tricks fans to coming to Fedex for special events then charges them to park, nickel and dimes his own employees, nickel and dimes fans, operates the Redskins like his fantasy team, ET CETERA…... [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2][COLOR=black]to a guy who systemically killed dogs.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2][COLOR=black]A lot of the things Danny does are purely business decisions, I respect that. He needs to protect his brand, I respect that. But I don’t think hes a piece of shit because of one thing, rather I base my opinion on him from things hes done over the last 10 years or so. All he has to do is stop. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=firstdown;790300]I love the fan that says he will not support the team by paying the high food and ticket prices but will watch the game on TV. You do know they make a hugh chunk of money off those TV deals. You must not attend any other pro sports events, concerts, etc.... because none of them are cheap and the prices at FedEx are in line if not lower then other events. Laugh at me I just paid $159 X 2=$318 for Jimmy Buffet tickets and that was a direct purchase from Ticketmaster.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Im not going to stage a hunger strike to show my disgust towards him, nor am I going to do something just as irrational like not watch Redskins games…… But im not going to buy official Redskins gear (I love the old school and Chinese stuff on ebay), im not going to buy the things at games with huge profit margins like food and beer, and im not going to patronagize Johnny Rockets. Danny is still getting my money but im not just handing it over to him. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=hooskins;790301]There is a middle ground here [/quote]

You'd think so...but apparently not

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[quote=Mattyk;790293]It's not worth it SS!! I know I haven't learned either.[/quote]

You know if we were mods on some other sites, we would have just locked this up a long time ago

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[quote=SmootSmack;790310]You know if we were mods on some other sites, we would have just locked this up a long time ago[/quote]


[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I was kind of thinking that while reading through a bunch of the back and forths. Obviously all of the members who have been around here for a least a little bit have a lot of respect for all the mods and understand that theyre not just a bunch of assholes forcing their opinions on everyone. Not so much on the other forum. Its almost like the other forum and Danny have a lot in common……[/FONT][/COLOR]


[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]much thanks to all the warpath moderators [/FONT][/COLOR]

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Do you ever actually listen to ESPN 980, because if you did then you'd know that he's not controlling any criticism there. I think I mentioned a few months back that I was basically offered a job with the radio station (and some other Redskins media properties), and honestly, Dan Snyder had really nothing to do with it at all. He lets them do their thing, and doesn't prevent them from giving their opinion.

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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]i dont listen to 980. Im in Richmond and i think the programming is a little different and i have no idea if danny owns this territory too. I have heard 980 clips where he does get criticized though. Regardless it creates a conflict of interest especially considering the image danny has created and continues to create regarding his response to criticism. Maybe hes not overtly not allowing people to criticize him, but if he was my boss Im sure id feel the presence of a unspecified line. It leads towards fascism, maybe its just the American in me that doesn’t like it.... [/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=mlmpetert;790306][COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2][COLOR=black]I mean come on do you really think Im comparing a guy that’s merely protecting his brand to a guy that is systematically killing dogs? No im comparing a guy who; [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2][COLOR=black]sues fans, sues small newspapers, sells expired peanuts to fans, bans signs for safety concerns while also giving out promotional signs, kills trees to view the potomac river, buys up media outlets to control criticism, allows raciest depictions of Asians at 6 flags, tricks fans to coming to Fedex for special events then charges them to park, nickel and dimes his own employees, nickel and dimes fans, operates the Redskins like his fantasy team, ET CETERA…... [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2][COLOR=black]to a guy who systemically killed dogs.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2][COLOR=black]A lot of the things Danny does are purely business decisions, I respect that. He needs to protect his brand, I respect that. But I don’t think hes a piece of shit because of one thing, rather I base my opinion on him from things hes done over the last 10 years or so. All he has to do is stop. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

If had the same feelings toward DS as you have I don't think I could support the team.

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[quote=mlmpetert;790335][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]i dont listen to 980. Im in Richmond and i think the programming is a little different and i have no idea if danny owns this territory too. I have heard 980 clips where he does get criticized though. Regardless it creates a conflict of interest especially considering the image danny has created and continues to create regarding his response to criticism. Maybe hes not overtly not allowing people to criticize him, but if he was my boss Im sure id feel the presence of a unspecified line. It leads towards fascism, maybe its just the American in me that doesn’t like it.... [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

And on that note, I'm done

Fascism...jeez

Although I do have my gripes with espn 980, The Sports Reporters are very critical of DS.

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[quote=hooskins;790341]Although I do have my gripes with espn 980, The Sports Reporters are very critical of DS.[/quote]

The Sports Reporters are almost TMZ-like with their criticism of the Redskins and Snyder. I actually don't listen to them because of that. I mean I don't mind them criticizing the team, but the show becomes a whining bitchfest.

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If you think The Sports Reports are TMZ like listen to LaVar's horrible show.

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[quote=hooskins;790354]If you think The Sports Reports are TMZ like listen to LaVar's horrible show.[/quote]

his blog is usually useless, so I can imagine.

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[quote=SmootSmack;790289]Well I guess I'm dragging myself back into this. dogs.[/quote]


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU&NR=1]YouTube - Just when I thought I was out...they pull me back in.[/ame]

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I'm going to have to say that comparing Snyder's actions to that of a man who maliciously tortured and executed dogs for profit is ludicrous to say the least. The guy is a first class douchebag, but he's not at the level of a Michael Vick. I would compare Snyder to Kevin Trudeau. A con artist who's slick, great at marketing, and would be gladly sell you beach front property in Arizona.

The fascist comment was a bit misguided, but I like your spirit though. ;)