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[quote=SmootSmack;807195]This is quite the read on Bachmann

[url=http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-06-14/michele-bachmanns-unrivaled-extremism-gay-rights-to-religion/?cid=bsa:mostpopular1]Michele Bachmann's Unrivaled Extremism: Gay Rights to Religion - The Daily Beast[/url][/quote]

Id vote Donald Trump before voting for her.

SS, Newt's campaign was over the day he announced. It wasnt going anywhere.

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Stick a fork in a Newt, what a disaster.

I predict Bachmann will win Iowa and shake things up in S.C. So far she's run a pretty decent campaign. I seriously doubt Trump would have done this well without any drama.

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When americans get to know her they'll wish she hadn't run:

[url=http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/michele-bachmanns-holy-war-20110622]Michele Bachmann's Holy War | Rolling Stone Politics[/url]

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Is he telling the audience I was bs'ing you and playing the race card? Wow Herm...you Cained yourself:

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So Jon Huntsman is officially in, but honestly I just don't see him defeating Mitt Romney in any of the early states, much less winning a general election. There's something very manufactured about him. It's still very early, we'll see. His roll out was very blah.

Rick Perry still might jump in. I'm sure they're doing some internal polling right now testing the waters. My gut says he won't, but the longer he drags it out the more difficult it will be to organize a serious field team, tap big donors, and get some traction in Iowa and N.H.

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[quote=saden1;808024]When americans get to know her they'll wish she hadn't run:

[URL="http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/michele-bachmanns-holy-war-20110622"]Michele Bachmann's Holy War | Rolling Stone Politics[/URL][/quote]

That's a great non bias sorce your using. People actually read Rolling Stone mag?

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[quote=12thMan;808100]So Jon Huntsman is officially in, but honestly I just don't see him defeating Mitt Romney in any of the early states, much less winning a general election. [B]There's something very manufactured about him. [/B]It's still very early, we'll see. His roll out was very blah.

Rick Perry still might jump in. I'm sure they're doing some internal polling right now testing the waters. My gut says he won't, but the longer he drags it out the more difficult it will be to organize a serious field team, tap big donors, and get some traction in Iowa and N.H.[/quote]

I'm not sure about that. Huntsman is the second coming of Ronald Reagan and Republicans don't even know it.

Honestly, there's nothing special about Romney and if there's anyone that's manufactured I would pick him out of the lineup.

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Good read on Huntsman here

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/26/magazine/jon-huntsman-steps-into-the-republican-vacuum.html?_r=1&hp[/url]

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[quote=saden1;808024]When americans get to know her they'll wish she hadn't run:

[url=http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/michele-bachmanns-holy-war-20110622]Michele Bachmann's Holy War | Rolling Stone Politics[/url][/quote]

She's the kind of religious wacko the tea baggers and zealots on the right love. So just by that, she'll have a shot.

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[quote=saden1;808024]When americans get to know her they'll wish she hadn't run:

[url=http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/michele-bachmanns-holy-war-20110622]Michele Bachmann's Holy War | Rolling Stone Politics[/url][/quote]

This is the type of sh*t that scares me from her:

"She even told the congregation that she and hubby Marcus — who by then had opened a Christian counseling center — had been united not by love but by a unique series of divine visions experienced by three people simultaneously.

Bachmann claimed that back in her college days, she was up one night praying with a female friend of hers when "the Lord gave each one of us the same, exact vision... It was a picture of me, marrying this man, in the valley where his parents have a farm in western Wisconsin." Meanwhile, miles away, Marcus "was repairing a fence on the farm where he worked, and the Lord showed him in a vision that he was supposed to marry me." According to Bachmann, Marcus initially complained to God that he wanted to see the world first, and only later relented."




Ummmm i cant have this person in charge of the military or nuclear weapons. No way in hell

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Didn't W say God talked to him? Just saying.

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Yeah, she needs to ratchet down that type of rhetoric if people are to take her seriously. To her credit though, she does sit on the House Intelligence Committee, which will helpful as the campaign season kicks into full gear.

A new Iowa poll show her and Romney in a dead heat. Poor Tim Pawlenty can't bust double digits in any national poll.

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[quote=12thMan;808425]Yeah, she needs to ratchet down that type of rhetoric if people are to take her seriously. To her credit though, she does sit on the House Intelligence Committee, which will helpful as the campaign season kicks into full gear.

A new Iowa poll show her and Romney in a dead heat. Poor Tim Pawlenty can't bust double digits in any national poll.[/quote].....it is as I have foreseen.....cue menacing Stars Wars music

MB tracking to the middle,

"The nothing-personal message was a departure from her 2008 comments questioning whether Obama had "anti-American" views. She has said she wishes she framed her criticism differently. In her announcement, Bachmann said [B]the country's problems have been caused by the policies of both parties and made an appeal for unity[/B]."


Read more: [URL="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/27/bachmann-2012-bid-not-personal-against-obama/#ixzz1QUqOJQDY"]Bachmann Launches Presidential Campaign, Says Nation 'Cannot Afford' Second Obama Term - FoxNews.com[/URL]

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Bachmann had a few good interviews on Sunday, in that sense that she didn't say anything off the wall or controversial. She'll have to answer for her record on farm subsidies and earmarks, which is counter to her small government Tea Party message, but any pol worth their salt should be able to spin that.

If Rick Perry doesn't jump in, I could really see her and Romney going down to the wire. No one's feeling Tim Pawlenty and Jon Huntsman is Romney-lite.

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[quote=12thMan;808551]Bachmann had a few good interviews on Sunday, in that sense that she didn't say anything off the wall or controversial. She'll have to answer for her record on farm subsidies and earmarks, which is counter to her small government Tea Party message, but any pol worth their salt should be able to spin that.

If [B]Rick Perry[/B] doesn't jump in, I could really see her and Romney going down to the wire. No one's feeling Tim Pawlenty and Jon Huntsman is Romney-lite.[/quote]He's the last shoe to drop, it will be interesting to see what he does.

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Nasty rumors floating around about Rick Perry. If he jumps in, I'm sure it will come up whether it's true or not.

So the Obama campaign just released a statement attacking Michele Bachmann's voting record. Nothing big about that except they didn't do that for either Romney or Pawlenty

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[quote=12thMan;808561]Nasty rumors floating around about Rick Perry. If he jumps in, I'm sure it will come up whether it's true or not.

So the Obama campaign just released a statement attacking Michele Bachmann's voting record. Nothing big about that except they didn't do that for either Romney or Pawlenty[/quote]The gay rumor, or something else?

Not sure if the Obama strategy is the right thing, better to let the far lefties (or the DNC controlled media MSNBC, CBS, ABC :) J/K) do the hit pieces on Bachmann. Could backfire with independent/moderate women.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;808578]The gay rumor, or something else?

Not sure if the Obama strategy is the right thing, better to let the far lefties (or the DNC controlled media MSNBC, CBS, ABC :) J/K) do the hit pieces on Bachmann. Could backfire with independent/moderate women.[/quote]

It only backfires if it's dirty false information. Bachmann is a treasure trove of nutso nuggets. I know one thing for sure, team Obama is interested in hyping and raising her profile in the hopes of running against her in the general election. If they can't have Palin, Bachmann will do just fine.

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I think they'd much rather have Palin, but yeah Bachmann will do fine. As long as they attack her voting record, which is fair game and above the belt, it's all good.

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[quote=12thMan;808551]Bachmann had a few good interviews on Sunday, in that sense that she didn't say anything off the wall or controversial. She'll have to answer for her record on farm subsidies and earmarks, which is counter to her small government Tea Party message, but any pol worth their salt should be able to spin that.

If Rick Perry doesn't jump in, I could really see her and Romney going down to the wire. No one's feeling Tim Pawlenty and Jon Huntsman is Romney-lite.[/quote]

From what I have read the media is twisting around what I think an earmark is in the first place. She asked for funds from her state for her state. Most earmarks I hear of is someone wanting federal funds to pay for their state pet projects. You don't here people calling them earmarks if someone ask for federal funds to pay for federal projects.

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[quote=saden1;808590]I know one thing for sure, team Obama is interested in hyping and raising her profile in the hopes of running against her in the general election. If they can't have Palin, Bachmann will do just fine.[/quote]

Agreed. I would love for Bachmann to win the primary.

The Republican party would get badly embarrassed in the general election.

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[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2011/jun/27/the-wrong-john-wayne/]The wrong John Wayne - Washington Times[/url]



[quote]The only problem, as one eagle-eyed reader notes: Waterloo's John Wayne was not the beloved movie star, but rather John Wayne Gacy, the serial killer.

Mrs. Bachmann grew up in Waterloo, and used the town as the backdrop for her campaign announcement, where she told Fox News: "Well what I want them to know is just like, John Wayne was from Waterloo, Iowa. That's the kind of spirit that I have, too." (Someone has already posted the clip to YouTube under the name BachmannLovesGacy)

John Wayne, the movie legend, is in fact from Iowa and the John Wayne birthplace is a celebrated landmark — only it's in Winterset, which is a nearly three hour drive away from Waterloo.[/quote]

You'd think that the woman would know which John Wayne came from her own home town. It's not so much the gaffe, but it's her own hometown and still doesn't even know.


If they are this stupid, would you want them having the finger on a nuclear button or making crucial economic/foreign policies? Is this all that America has to offer? This is sad.

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[quote=firstdown;808607]From what I have read the media is twisting around what I think an earmark is in the first place. She asked for funds from her state for her state. Most earmarks I hear of is someone wanting federal funds to pay for their state pet projects. You don't here people calling them earmarks if someone ask for federal funds to pay for federal projects.[/quote]

You're right in the sense that all earmarks have been portrayed as evil and that's just not the case. Bachmann's particular problem is that she guided nearly $250K in farm subsidies to her father-in-law's farm, which she's also a partner. I think somewhere in the neighborhood of $260K. Her filings show that a small portion of that may have gone to her. Nothing illegal or improper happened there, I'm sure. But she's just not the poster child for small government and fiscal responsibility that she so adamantly claims.

[url=http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/03/amish_muslims_to_be_excused_fr.html]Archived Blog: Amish, Muslims to be excused from Obamacare mandate?[/url]

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Sounding more and more like Bachmann is basically the female Rick Santorum. If so, she's lost my support.

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[url=http://old.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110628/ap_on_el_ge/us_bachmann_fact_check]FACT CHECK: Bachmann bomblets raising eyebrows - Yahoo! News[/url]


[quote]Examining 24 of her statements, Politifact.com, the Pulitzer Prize-winning fact-checking service of the St. Petersburg (Fla.) Times, found just one to be fully true and 17 to be false (seven of them "pants on fire" false). No other Republican candidate whose statements have been vigorously vetted matched that record of inaccuracy.[/quote]


Wow, out of 24 statements, 17 of them are false...lol Who do these people hire to write their speeches?



[quote]BACHMANN: "The farm is my father-in-law's farm. It's not my husband and my farm. It's my father-in-law's farm. And my husband and I have never gotten a penny of money from the farm." — On "Fox News Sunday."

THE FACTS: In personal financial disclosure reports required annually from members of Congress, Bachmann reported that she holds an interest in a family farm in Independence, Wis., with her share worth between $100,000 and $250,000.[/quote]

Bachmann giving subsidies to a farm she part owns. Nope, no conflict of interest there. Why are idiots voting for people like this again?

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[quote=NC_Skins;808684]Why are idiots voting for people like this again?[/quote]I'm assuming the "idiots" you mention voted for Obama too.

[URL]http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/statements/byruling/false/[/URL]

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Honestly, does anybody think Michele Bachmann has any chance of getting the GOP nomination? Why are we even bothering.

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[quote=Schneed10;808724]Honestly, does anybody think Michele Bachmann has any chance of getting the GOP nomination? Why are we even bothering.[/quote]12th mentioned the Obama campaign spent the time/effort to release a statement attacking her voting record. I don't think they'd do that if there wasn't some level of concern about her.

Not saying she'll get it, but she can't be discounted yet.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;808714]I'm assuming the "idiots" you mention voted for Obama too.

[url=http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/statements/byruling/false/]PolitiFact | All statements involving Barack Obama[/url][/quote]


Yup. Those same idiots.


[url]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/apr/22/barack-obama/obama-campaign-financed-large-donors-too/[/url]

Found this one to be very amusing. US politicians without a doubt believe the American people are stupid as hell and will beleive anything. Otherwise, why would you sit up there and blatantly lie like that?

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[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/mlp5D.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=NC_Skins;808614][URL="http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2011/jun/27/the-wrong-john-wayne/"]The wrong John Wayne - Washington Times[/URL]





You'd think that the woman would know which John Wayne came from her own home town. It's not so much the gaffe, but it's her own hometown and still doesn't even know.


If they are this stupid, would you want them having the finger on a nuclear button or making crucial economic/foreign policies? Is this all that America has to offer? This is sad.[/quote]

meh close enough

lol

:doh:

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[quote=NC_Skins;808614][URL="http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2011/jun/27/the-wrong-john-wayne/"]The wrong John Wayne - Washington Times[/URL]





You'd think that the woman would know which John Wayne came from her own home town. It's not so much the gaffe, but it's her own hometown and still doesn't even know.


If they are this stupid, would you want them having the finger on a nuclear button or making crucial economic/foreign policies? Is this all that America has to offer? This is sad.[/quote]

You seemed to leave out the fact that John Waynes Parents are in fact from her home town so lets get the facts straight. It really does not matter because the people who make issues with this stuff are not going to even vote for a rep. in the first place.

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[quote=NC_Skins;808740][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/mlp5D.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

lol, thats classic

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I have to say...and don't read too much into this...I'm becoming a Michele Bachmann fan. Not because of her policies and not that I'd ever support her. Yeah, she's batty as hell sometimes, but she's not letting the media bait her into playing the victim and petty sniping. She's keeping her eye on the ball and pressing forward in a very serious way. I can respect that.

I suspect she'll only get stronger as the campaign rolls along. Is she smarter or a better politician than, say, Mitt Romney? Probably not, but I think people feel she's authentic.

So while the liberal media will make hay of her gaffes and try to diminish her candidacy, it's just a reminder to those that support her, as well as those who are thinking about it, that she's not your typical packaged Washington candidate. She needs a little polishing and she'll give old Mittens a run for his money.

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[quote=firstdown;808894][B]You seemed to leave out the fact that John Waynes Parents are in fact from her home town[/B] so lets get the facts straight. It really does not matter because the people who make issues with this stuff are not going to even vote for a rep. in the first place.[/quote]

She's the one that left that out.

She tends to leave a lot of things out apparently:

[quote]Among them could be some of Bachmann's historical gaffes, most notably her assertion that the country's founding fathers "worked tirelessly" to abolish slavery. In fact, several founding fathers possessed slaves, with Thomas Jefferson famously fathering children with one of his.


Slavery was not abolished until almost 100 years after the Declaration of Independence was signed.
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[quote=12thMan;808899]I have to say...and don't read too much into this...I'm becoming a Michele Bachmann fan. Not because of her policies and not that I'd ever support her. Yeah, she's batty as hell sometimes, but she's not letting the media bait her into playing the victim and petty sniping. She's keeping her eye on the ball and pressing forward in a very serious way. I can respect that.

I suspect she'll only get stronger as the campaign rolls along. Is she smarter or a better politician than, say, Mitt Romney? Probably not, but I think people feel she's authentic.

So while the liberal media will make hay of her gaffes and try to diminish her candidacy, it's just a reminder to those that support her, as well as those who are thinking about it, that she's not your typical packaged Washington candidate. She needs a little polishing and she'll give old Mittens a run for his money.[/quote]

Romney is as ho-hum of a candidate as they come. It's not going to take much for someone to outshine him.

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GOP might need to look into getting this guy to run.


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This guy is a gold mine.

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[quote=NC_Skins;808684][URL="http://old.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110628/ap_on_el_ge/us_bachmann_fact_check"]FACT CHECK: Bachmann bomblets raising eyebrows - Yahoo! News[/URL]





Wow, out of 24 statements, 17 of them are false...lol Who do these people hire to write their speeches?





Bachmann giving subsidies to a farm she part owns. Nope, no conflict of interest there. Why are idiots voting for people like this again?[/quote]


So don't vote for her.

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You guys have done more back ground checking on these people you would not even vote for then you cared to ever do on Obama. Its pretty funny.