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[quote=skinster;810923]or instead of insulting me, you could clarify by explaining what you think I'm justifying so I can respond. Unless your looking for a "clever" way out.[/quote]
Any logic thinker would be able to figure out what I was getting at. I am saying that your very vague definition of predictable is wrong. You're saying anyone that anyone taken at the end of the first or beginning of second is predictable. Yet you IGNORE the many years where men drafted in that position haven't been "predictable" franchise QBs. You simply pick the few recently that've worked out. So your model is better than the many personnel guys in the NFL? Why haven't you applied yet?

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[quote=skinster;810924]If I ever settle the rest of my side bouts, and nothing is still going on, remind me and I'll get back to that one night or weekend. I'd much spend my time on this site talking football than explaining the rules of logic, but like you said its a slow summer, so maybe one day soon I'll get back to this.[/quote]

God forbid we bother you; cannot await until the time you appease us peasants with your wisdom.

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[quote=tryfuhl;810925]Any logic thinker would be able to figure out what I was getting at. I am saying that your very vague definition of predictable is wrong. You're saying anyone that anyone taken at the end of the first or beginning of second is predictable. Yet you IGNORE the many years where men drafted in that position haven't been "predictable" franchise QBs. You simply pick the few recently that've worked out. So your model is better than the many personnel guys in the NFL? Why haven't you applied yet?[/quote]

LOL. You mean the way I use my invented phrase "predictable quarterback" is wrong? LOL (again)

I'm not ignoring anything. I simply used the phrase "predictable" to catagorize quarterbacks that teams drafted with the the expectation of them becoming a franchise quarterback. Pretty much every qb drafted in the top 50 picks goes in this category, whether they panned out or not. The ones that didn't had something that made an organization "predict" that they would pan out and they just didn't. I'm sorry you either don't like or understand my phrase.

And I'm still not entirely sure what your getting at considering that was such a small part of what I was saying, and you don't really make sense, so just to cover my bases (If my response was not on topic to your response that was not on topic) I'm going to say that I believe Luck to be different than other prospects. He is more than predictable, he is as close to a sure thing as we'll see in a while. And I'm sure many "personnel guys" already employed by the nfl would agree, they don't need me for that.

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[quote=tryfuhl;810926]God forbid we bother you; cannot await until the time you appease us peasants with your wisdom.[/quote]

I'm sorry, did I send that message to you? No? ok. thanks for the response though.

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[quote=skinster;810928]I'm sorry, did I send that message to you? No? ok. thanks for the response though.[/quote]

Thee Godsend I wholly repent for my transgression!

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[quote=skinster;810927] Pretty much every qb drafted in the top 50 picks goes in this category, whether they panned out or not. The ones that didn't had something that made an organization "predict" that they would pan out and they just didn't. I'm sorry you either don't like or understand my phrase.
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:laughing2

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All this money and no spend??? What a waste.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/forbes-redskins-are-4th-most-valuable-sports-franchise/2011/07/14/gIQAAr0TEI_blog.html]Forbes: Redskins are 4th-most valuable sports franchise - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url]

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No okay so my Luck idea is in between let players play. if we win with Beck great if we don't than thats good too for draft positioin.

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[quote=musicmaster45;810970]No okay so my Luck idea is in between let players play. if we win with Beck great if we don't than thats good too for draft positioin.[/quote]

I think thats what shanahan is thinking

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[quote=musicmaster45;810970]No okay so my Luck idea is in between let players play. if we win with Beck great if we don't than thats good too for draft positioin.[/quote]

Only responding to this because it seems there is alot of animosity towards my statements. I want to clarify by saying that I've never actually said we should lose on purpose (If you think this isn't true show me where I've said that to prove me wrong). I simply am saying I believe it is in the franchises's best interest for us to lose this year. If beck turns out to be the real deal, then great I'll be super happy. But I believe he's not, I believe we need a franchise qb, I believe Luck is our best bet at getting one, I believe this season is in vain, and I believe that as long as our season is in vain it is in our best interest to salvage a franchise qb in the process.

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[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/802005-post32.html[/url]

Quote:

Skinzwin: Okay and if so through the rebuilding process with your so called "middle grade draft picks" we don't do well because we are young and inexperienced and lose a lot of games so be it. That is part of the rebuilding process. [B]But you make it sound like losing would be on purpose, a priority. That is just ignorant and asinine if you ask me.[/B]

Skinster: [B]I think its ignorant to think otherwise (even though I am aware I am in the vast minority).[/B] I can think of very few teams that were consistently average teams and then suddenly broke through to become top tier. These mediocre teams seem to all stay mediocre untill they suddenly drop to the bottom. I could go on for a while to tell you all the examples, but I'm sure you can look them up yourself. Being mediocre is delaying the inevitable of being terrible. Which is what seems to be happening to us now. Being kind of bad is not going to fix the problem. A true superstar needs to emerge. I think the lions and the rams are on their way to becoming legitimate teams. We need that superstar, and the best way to get him is with the first pick. Its very rare that Aaron Rodgers will fall into your lap in the 20's. The picks at the top of the 2nd/3rd round won't hurt either.

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Ouch. SS's super sleuth abilities come through again.

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[quote=skinster;810980]Only responding to this because it seems there is alot of animosity towards my statements. I want to clarify by saying that I've never actually said we should lose on purpose (If you think this isn't true show me where I've said that to prove me wrong). I simply am saying I believe it is in the franchises's best interest for us to lose this year. If beck turns out to be the real deal, then great I'll be super happy. But I believe he's not, I believe we need a franchise qb, I believe Luck is our best bet at getting one, I believe this season is in vain, and I believe that as long as our season is in vain it is in our best interest to salvage a franchise qb in the process.[/quote]

You're an idiot.

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[quote=skinster;810980]Only responding to this because it seems there is alot of animosity towards my statements. I want to clarify by saying that I've [COLOR="Red"]never actually said we should lose on purpose[/COLOR] (If you think this isn't true show me where I've said that to prove me wrong). [COLOR="Red"] I simply am saying I believe it is in the franchises's best interest for us to lose this year[/COLOR]. If beck turns out to be the real deal, then great I'll be super happy. But I believe he's not, I believe we need a franchise qb, I believe Luck is our best bet at getting one, I believe this season is in vain, and I believe that as long as our season is in vain it is in our best interest to salvage a franchise qb in the process.[/quote]

Wow, thats some major league double talk cake and eat it too stuff.

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[quote=skinster;810980]Only responding to this because it seems there is alot of animosity towards my statements. I want to clarify by saying that I've never actually said we should lose on purpose (If you think this isn't true show me where I've said that to prove me wrong). I simply am saying I believe it is in the franchises's best interest for us to lose this year. If beck turns out to be the real deal, then great I'll be super happy. But I believe he's not, I believe we need a franchise qb, I believe Luck is our best bet at getting one, I believe this season is in vain, and I believe that as long as our season is in vain it is in our best interest to salvage a franchise qb in the process.[/quote]

So you count yourself among the geniuses who can predict, without even knowing what our roster looks like, that this is a lost season. You also are in that elite mastermind group who thinks the the best interests of the team would be to LOSE with the hope that Luck comes out AND that we will be in position to draft him AND that he becomes a franchise QB AND that he lifts the franchise from the depths of hell that it currently resides.

How about this then, take a 7 month break from being a 'fan' and check back with us in January and regale us with more wisdom? Since this season is in vain, no point in wasting your genius on it anymore, right?

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[quote=skinster;810980]Only responding to this because [B]it seems there is alot of animosity towards my statements.[/B] I want to clarify by saying that I've never actually said we should lose on purpose (If you think this isn't true show me where I've said that to prove me wrong). I simply am saying I believe it is in the franchises's best interest for us to lose this year. If beck turns out to be the real deal, then great I'll be super happy. But I believe he's not,[B] I believe we need a franchise qb, I believe Luck is our [I]best [/I]bet at getting one,[/B] I believe this season is in vain, and I believe that as long as our season is in vain it is in our best interest to salvage a franchise qb in the process.[/quote]

A) You are on a Redskins fan site explicitly hoping that the Redskins will lose and animosity arises. Logic would have predicted such a negative response.

B) As indicated before, your Suck for Luck "logic" only works if Luck is our ONLY bet, not if he is our BEST bet. "Best bet" opens the door to other options besides sucking.

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I just hope the FO is sticking to thier guns. With a report like this, one is to believe Cerrato and "Snyder" are still running things.

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[quote=diehard;811003]I just hope the FO is sticking to thier guns. With a report like this, one is to believe Cerrato and "Snyder" are still running things.[/quote]

Help me undertsand this, I think I am missing something.

Here is my understanding of the situation. We HAVE to spend 90% of 120M and are 30-40M away from doing that next year. While I would like to see it spent wisely I think our FO set us up well to fill needs this year.

I may have just misunderstood the point being made though with all the goings-on in this thread so sorry in advance if thats the case.

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There's a much easier way to do this without going thru the painfulness of mailing in the whole season.
We just wait until team X drafts Luck and then trade our next five first rounders for him.
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[quote=Lotus;810998]A) You are on a Redskins fan site explicitly hoping that the Redskins will lose and animosity arises. Logic would have predicted such a negative response.

B) As indicated before, your Suck for Luck "logic" only works if Luck is our ONLY bet, not if he is our BEST bet. "Best bet" opens the door to other options besides sucking.[/quote]

A) Yea I probably should have predicted it. But I'm entitled to my opinion, which I feel has enough merit that it shouldn't be dismissed as straight up wrong by anyone.

B) Wrong. Let me rephrase. Significantly our best bet. There are always options to get a franchise qb. You can hope that there will be another option that even has possibility of panning out, you can hope that next option will be available when we pick, you can hope that that the other option we draft pans out. That's just too much hope and luck (once again no pun intended) for me to be comfortable with. I like to go with what we know is tangible.

Also please stop using the word logic. Its really not even deniable that what I'm saying is true, that the higher the picks we have the better odds we have of getting what we need to become contenders. You really can't deny that the higher draft picks you have one year, the better odds you have at winning in the future.
And to clarify (because according to you, logic predicts this statement to be ripped apart), I'm not saying that fans should undoubtedly support this sentiment. I realize that most fans want to win in the here and now and root for a victory every game no matter what. They are completely entitled to feel that way, but I am not talking about supporting the sentiment that has been labeled "suck for luck." I'm simply stating the truth that higher draft picks yield higher odds of succeeding in the future. I'm going to add on that it is the undeniable truth that a franchise qb significantly improves your team (I'd say it is necessary to win a superbowl, but that is not undeniable truth). I'm also going to add that it is the undeniable truth that the higher you pick, the SIGNIFICANTLY better odds you have at landing a franchise qb.
Honestly if you deny any of those undeniable truths, you lose all credibility of football knowledge with me (unless you have hard statistics to back your claims up...I know I have many to back mine up, but if I'm overlooking something, be my guest to show me wrong).

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[quote=Player_HTTR;811004]Help me undertsand this, I think I am missing something.

Here is my understanding of the situation. We HAVE to spend 90% of 120M and are 30-40M away from doing that next year. While I would like to see it spent wisely I think our FO set us up well to fill needs this year.

I may have just misunderstood the point being made though with all the goings-on in this thread so sorry in advance if thats the case.[/quote]

I think the concern that some people might have, is that this will lead to our old ways of buying a fantasy football team since we have money to spend.

However, I am not too concerned, because I think last year (outside of the McNabb fiasco) the FO office did a pretty good job with the contracts given to free agents and not overpaying for them (I know McNabb was not acquired as a FA, but I think giving up those picks was paying too much to get him). Also, it is my understanding that the contract given to OJ Atogwe was pretty reasonable. I do think the FO will continue to be disciplined in their FA acquisitions and how much they will pay them.

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[quote=Mattyk;810985]Ouch. SS's super sleuth abilities come through again.[/quote]

He's had nothing to say about interestingly enough

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[quote=SmootSmack;811028]He's had nothing to say about interestingly enough[/quote]

I believe that's what he would call predictable.

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[quote=Mattyk;810985]Ouch. SS's super sleuth abilities come through again.[/quote]

lol. musta taken you a while to find that one. I had no idea it was there. That was long enough ago that I didn't learn to clarify my sentiments. I don't remember writing that, but I do know my own thoughts/beliefs and I'm sure I was more focusing on the fact that it is in the best interest of our franchise to get luck. Just like the best thing that ever happened to the colts was when they had they took Manning, just like when the best thing that ever happened to the cowboys was when they took Aikman, just like the best thing that ever happened to the broncos was when they got Elway.

I know I also believe that no coach will lose on purpose, and no players will ever lose on purpose. I recognize that the organization will never tank for luck. But saying that, I also see how the best thing that happened for the franchises above was getting their guy, and the best thing that can happen to us is to get ours. Long term as an organization, it is in the best interest of the franchise.

Everyone will kill me for saying this, but I've had a slight change of heart of my previous statements written on this site. It just occurred within the last 10 mins upon learning the new free agency rules where dead cap money doesn't count. I think that these new rules make it more realistic to possibly build a superteam, and gives other realistic options besides just having that one stud qb to winning a superbowl (though the stud qb is still the best strategy IMO, I think that it is not the only option, and I believe there will be easier ways of attaining that stud qb than just having a high draft pick).

That last paragraph I'll take back if I find out any more info about dead cap regulations, but from my understanding now there are no limitations to dead cap, there isn't a limit to bonus money that can be dealt out, and contracts are still able to be restructured

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[quote=Mattyk;811033]I believe that's what he would call predictable.[/quote]

lol so much hate.

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Glad we can soon start spending. Really hoping Santonio isn't our main objective, especially since we could've had him for a fifth rounder last year and maybe we wouldn't have stunk so bad.

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[quote=skinster;811036]lol. musta taken you a while to find that one. I had no idea it was there. That was long enough ago that I didn't learn to clarify my sentiments. I don't remember writing that, but I do know my own thoughts/beliefs and I'm sure I was more focusing on the fact that it is in the best interest of our franchise to get luck. Just like the best thing that ever happened to the colts was when they had they took Manning, just like when the best thing that ever happened to the cowboys was when they took Aikman, just like the best thing that ever happened to the broncos was when they got Elway.

I know I also believe that no coach will lose on purpose, and no players will ever lose on purpose. I recognize that the organization will never tank for luck. But saying that, I also see how the best thing that happened for the franchises above was getting their guy, and the best thing that can happen to us is to get ours. Long term as an organization, it is in the best interest of the franchise.

Everyone will kill me for saying this, but I've had a slight change of heart of my previous statements written on this site. It just occurred within the last 10 mins upon learning the new free agency rules where dead cap money doesn't count. I think that these new rules make it more realistic to possibly build a superteam, and gives other realistic options besides just having that one stud qb to winning a superbowl (though the stud qb is still the best strategy IMO, I think that it is not the only option, and I believe there will be easier ways of attaining that stud qb than just having a high draft pick).

That last paragraph I'll take back if I find out any more info about dead cap regulations, but from my understanding now there are no limitations to dead cap, there isn't a limit to bonus money that can be dealt out, and contracts are still able to be restructured[/quote]

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[quote=skinster;811008]A) Yea I probably should have predicted it. But I'm entitled to my opinion, which I feel has enough merit that it shouldn't be dismissed as straight up wrong by anyone.

B) Wrong. Let me rephrase. Significantly our best bet. There are always options to get a franchise qb. You can hope that there will be another option that even has possibility of panning out, you can hope that next option will be available when we pick, you can hope that that the other option we draft pans out. That's just too much hope and luck (once again no pun intended) for me to be comfortable with. I like to go with what we know is tangible.

Also please stop using the word logic. Its really not even deniable that what I'm saying is true, that the higher the picks we have the better odds we have of getting what we need to become contenders. You really can't deny that the higher draft picks you have one year, the better odds you have at winning in the future.
And to clarify (because according to you, logic predicts this statement to be ripped apart), I'm not saying that fans should undoubtedly support this sentiment. I realize that most fans want to win in the here and now and root for a victory every game no matter what. They are completely entitled to feel that way, but I am not talking about supporting the sentiment that has been labeled "suck for luck." I'm simply stating the truth that higher draft picks yield higher odds of succeeding in the future. I'm going to add on that it is the undeniable truth that a franchise qb significantly improves your team (I'd say it is necessary to win a superbowl, but that is not undeniable truth). I'm also going to add that it is the undeniable truth that the higher you pick, the SIGNIFICANTLY better odds you have at landing a franchise qb.
Honestly if you deny any of those undeniable truths, you lose all credibility of football knowledge with me (unless you have hard statistics to back your claims up...I know I have many to back mine up, but if I'm overlooking something, be my guest to show me wrong).[/quote]

One might think it were easier to predict feedback on an opinion than franchise QBs

tell me why the worst teams always have high picks and the winning teams don't...

cuz of ONE magical pick that made the rest of the years' picks null/void?

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So TB has 60M to spend, how much do we have to spend? Sorry if someone already posted it

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It was stated earlier in.........somewhere that we had 45m WE HAD to spend. NO idea as to the accuracy of the figure and with that sort of reliable audit trail......well

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[url=http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/07/15/redskins-might-be-more-measured-than-expected]ProFootballWeekly.com - Redskins might be more measured than expected[/url]

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[quote=Hog1;811111]It was stated earlier in.........somewhere that we had 45m WE HAD to spend. NO idea as to the accuracy of the figure and with that sort of reliable audit trail......well[/quote]

Everywhere I've heard says we have 26 million to spend. That's not including figuring out what to do with McNabb/Haynesworth

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If we cut/trade McNabb and Haynesworth, how much would we have?

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[quote=saden1;810589]Rex loves Holmes and will never let him go...forget about getting him and aim lower.[/quote]

My thoughts exactly. He made way to many big plays for them last season.

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[quote=skinster;811038]lol so much hate.[/quote]

i'm a bit confused. why don't you just say that you hope the skins have a great season and at next years draft they need to do whatever they can to get andrew luck (trade draft picks/players to move up etc...)

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[quote=wolfeskins;811161]i'm a bit confused. why don't you just say that you hope the skins have a great season and at next years draft they need to do whatever they can to get andrew luck (trade draft picks/players to move up etc...)[/quote]

Who needs Andrew Luck?

This is the dawning of the John Beck Era in the NFL.

Sit back; make sure your seat belt is fastened ; enjoy the ride...

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;811167]Who needs Andrew Luck?

This is the dawning of the John Beck Era in the NFL.

Sit back; make sure your seat belt is fastened ; enjoy the ride...[/quote]

I'm with you.

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[quote=Hog1;811111]It was stated earlier in.........somewhere that we had 45m WE HAD to spend. NO idea as to the accuracy of the figure and with that sort of reliable audit trail......well[/quote]45 million SOUNDS like a lot of money to have to spend, but let me put it this way:

Lets say the Redskins sign Nnamdi Asomugha on July 27 to a 6 year, 92 million dollar contract with $40 million guaranteed.

That signing bonus is amortized over the life of the contract, so 40/6 = 6.67/year. But the year one salary is probably going to be 3 mil or less, with a large option bonus somewhere around year four of the contract. So Nnamdi's cap number in 2011, lets put it at $9 million. That's about 1/3 of our available cap space, and still plenty left to do whatever we want, outside of giving out a similar type contract to a different player.

But the Redskins just wrote a check for $40 million to Nnamdi, plus another $2 million in salary due in week one. So while $45 million is a lot to spend, the Redskins just spent to the NFLPA minimum on just one player. And still have $18 million of cap flexibility, even after signing rookies.

So yeah, one elite free agent pretty much gets the Redskins 60% (or more) of the way to the spending limit, and from that point on, it's pretty much just a normal offseason.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;811167]Who needs Andrew Luck?

This is the dawning of the John Beck Era in the NFL.

Sit back; make sure your seat belt is fastened ; enjoy the ride...[/quote]

i'm with ya sc. i was refering to skinster's "suck for luck" campaign