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[quote=Lotus;812474]There are reasons why Haynesworth is the $41 mil. man. His troubles here came from dissatisfaction with the 3-4 (which Denver no longer runs), not from performance. Don't underrate AH's value. The fact that Denver is desperate for DT's makes his value even greater.

Haynesworth for Orton.[/quote]


His troubles came long before the 3-4 was instituted. I suggest you reflect back to Zorn's years with Blanche. There was also a interview with Jim Washburn on Haynesworth about how he tried for years to get Albert to do right and to play within the system. He eventually just let Albert do his own thing and free lance basically during those contract years.

Albert wants to do what Albert wants to do. He doesn't care about the scheme. Also, read Jim Haslett's take on this as well.

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The more I think about it, the more I see a second version of Matt Schaub, who before Kyle Shanahan, noone thought he was that great. Only difference is Kyle is just a couple years younger than Schaub. And that isn't a positive thing? Come on, the more I think of it, the more it makes sense. What does Kyle and Mike need? A game manager who will not turn the ball over. Who fits that bill and has more upside (due to his play AND his age) than Kyle Orton? Perfect candiate for the WCO. I will be MUCH more optimistic going into the season with a proven young commodity such as Orton, than with an aging Rex freekin Grossman, or an overhyped 3rd stringer such as John Beck. Give me Orton any day of the week, and literally twice on Sunday.

Give him a young S. Holmes, a young Hankerson, a slot S. Moss and a rejuvenated Cooley. If he can sling 3800 yards in Denver with an iffy line there and no real weapons, why in the hell couldnt he do it here? Our options are definitely better than what Denver has..........

Get him here, Get it done. We might have found our guy.

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[quote=Mechanix544;812493] If he can sling 3800 yards in Denver with an iffy line there and only one weapon, why in the hell couldnt he do it here?

Get him here, Get it done.[/quote]


Because this is the NFC East, not the AFC West.

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[quote=Mechanix544;812493]The more I think about it, the more I see a second version of Matt Schaub, who before Kyle Shanahan, noone thought he was that great.

Give him a young S. Holmes, a young Hankerson, a slot S. Moss and a rejuvenated Cooley. If he can sling 3800 yards in Denver with an iffy line there and only one weapon, why in the hell couldnt he do it here?

Get him here, Get it done.[/quote]

Actually, a lot of people, including myself were impressed by Schaub in Atlanta.

I wouldn't mind seeing Orton come here...he made Brandon Lloyd look like Chris Carter! We don't need Holmes though...and you forgot Armstrong. We're plenty deep at WR right now, it's not a priority.

Haynesworth for Orton now.

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[quote=NC_Skins;812495]Because this is the NFC East, not the AFC West.[/quote]

True. He would have to be throwing against the Cowboys stacked secondary. Oh, as well as the mighty Eagles secondary.

Might want to check your facts there buddy.

The two top secondaries in terms of passing yards per game last year were in the AFC West. (San Diego #1, Oakland #2) Not to mention that the NFC East only had one team in the top HALF in that catagory. The Giants, at #9. All the other 3 teams were in the bottom half of the league in that statistic.

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[quote=Mechanix544;812506]True. He would have to be throwing against the Cowboys stacked secondary. Oh, as well as the mighty Eagles secondary.

Might want to check your facts there buddy.

The two top secondaries in terms of passing yards per game last year were in the AFC West. (San Diego #1, Oakland #2) Not to mention that the NFC East only had one team in the top HALF in that catagory. The Giants, at #9. All the other 3 teams were in the bottom half of the league in that statistic.[/quote]

Good try, but he's just going to poo-poo whatever you toss at him.

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Ok guys ... just wanted to remind everyone that the last time there was a Lockout the Skins won the SB for that year..... ;) It doesn't mean it's going to happen but hopefully history can repeat itself. Also remember the Skins beat 3 out of 4 teams that were in the playoffs. So can it be done? the Skins coming out this year and supprising everyone? yes. Likelyhood? I don't know they do seem to have a long way to go to right this ship especially on defense but "any given team on any given Sun." right.

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[quote=Mechanix544;812506]True. He would have to be throwing against the Cowboys stacked secondary. Oh, as well as the mighty Eagles secondary.

Might want to check your facts there buddy.

The two top secondaries in terms of passing yards per game last year were in the AFC West. (San Diego #1, Oakland #2) Not to mention that the NFC East only had one team in the top HALF in that catagory. The Giants, at #9. All the other 3 teams were in the bottom half of the league in that statistic.[/quote]

I also forgot to mention that all of the other 3 teams in the AFC West were ranked in the top 10 in Sacks(Oakland and San Diego were both tied for second overall), as well as in the top half (All in the top 13) in terms of overall defense. Id wager he would have a much better season in the NFC East.

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[quote=Mechanix544;812506]True. He would have to be throwing against the Cowboys stacked secondary. Oh, as well as the mighty Eagles secondary.

Might want to check your facts there buddy.

The two top secondaries in terms of passing yards per game last year were in the AFC West. (San Diego #1, Oakland #2) Not to mention that the NFC East only had one team in the top HALF in that catagory. The Giants, at #9. All the other 3 teams were in the bottom half of the league in that statistic.[/quote]

I said that in jest meaning the AFC West teams suck. Don't take everything I say so literal. Also, the Chargers led the league in Defense and Offense and STILL ended up with a 9-7 record. Pathetic.

[quote=Mattyk;812507]Good try, but he's just going to poo-poo whatever you toss at him.[/quote]

Hey, I'm not the one hating on our current QBs and suggesting throwing away picks for yet another guy who may or may not fit our system. Now that's poo-poo! ;)

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[quote=NC_Skins;812525]Hey, I'm not the one hating on our current QBs and suggesting throwing away picks for yet another guy who may or may not fit our system. Now that's poo-poo! ;)[/quote]

I don't hate our current QBs (not a huge fan either), I just think Orton is clearly better than what we've got. That said I doubt this move gets made, but if it did I would be in favor of it.

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Apparently all of this is about to go turbo.

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6799301/latest-nfl-timeline-starts-tuesday]Sources: Latest NFL timeline starts Tuesday - ESPN[/url]

Should be a fun week.

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Kyle Orton neared McNabb's rate of incompletions that were bad passes. Translation: inflated stats due to system and Brandon Lloyd.

That said, he is a winner at home games. We could use that in primetime games.

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Peter King believes that Nnamdi Could be a Jet. He knows he wants to play there, but he knows that Nnamdi isn't going to get that kind of money from them.

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"Dan Snyder is the opposite of Midas - everything he touches turns to feces. I have a strong dislike of the Jets but it's Holmes choice; would he rather get paid crazy dollars or play for a winning team? It's a clear choice. "


Read more: [url=http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/298410-jets-redskins-to-fight-over-holmes?xid=cnnbin#ixzz1T8iyq0cV]Jets, Redskins to fight over Holmes - NFL - Rumors - FanNation[/url]

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[quote=mredskins;812539]Apparently all of this is about to go turbo.

[URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6799301/latest-nfl-timeline-starts-tuesday"]Sources: Latest NFL timeline starts Tuesday - ESPN[/URL]

Should be a fun week.[/quote]

It's gonna be nuts. Schefter just broke it down- each team has an average of about 40 players currently under contract. Teams come to camp with 90 players. That's 50 unsigned players per team right now, times 32 teams....

That's about 1600 contract moves this week. Wow. This is going to be a lot of fun.

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[quote=GMScud;812578]It's gonna be nuts. Schefter just broke it down- each team has an average of about 40 players currently under contract. Teams come to camp with 90 players. That's 50 unsigned players per team right now, times 32 teams....

That's about 1600 contract moves this week. Wow. This is going to be a lot of fun.[/quote]

Oh yeah its gona be great to see DS over pay for trash i cant wait. And to see a projected 600 players change teams wow im as giddy as a fn college freshman headed out on his first panty raid.

I long for the old days, and i know they aint coming back, so save it.

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[quote=NC_Skins;812470]Insanity is doing the same things over and over expecting different results.[/quote]

Oh Yeah? Well, even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then and The Hogs played for the Washington Redskins. Did you ever think of that?

That's why I think we should make yet another trade for a QB. The problem with the McNabb trade was that we didn't give up enough high draft picks for him to be any good. The same was true for Jason Campbell. We should give up our #1 and #2 :oink: picks for Orton to ensure that he'll do well here.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;812541]Kyle Orton neared McNabb's rate of incompletions that were bad passes. Translation: inflated stats due to system and Brandon Lloyd.

That said, he is a winner at home games. We could use that in primetime games.[/quote]

We could use that as a whole.

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did anyone else read john claytons list of the top 10 ufa's, and the favorites and darkhorse team list? I think we were listed on over half of the flipping list as the fav or darkhorse...........I guess noone took notice that last year we strayed from the tendencies of the previous regimes. Oh well.....

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;812541]Kyle Orton neared McNabb's rate of incompletions that were bad passes. Translation: inflated stats due to system and Brandon Lloyd.

That said, he is a winner at home games. We could use that in primetime games.[/quote]

True. we all know how Brandon Lloyd can make even the most inept QB look like a hall of famer.

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The only QB's that can come here are either Matt Leinart to compete for a starting job (because he knows the system), Vince Young to sit and learn, or an UDFA to fill in a roster spot.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d820df5a3/article/best-worst-fits-for-asomugha-holmes-other-free-agents]NFL.com news: Best, worst fits for Asomugha, Holmes, other free agents[/url]

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[quote=CultBrennan59;812618][url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d820df5a3/article/best-worst-fits-for-asomugha-holmes-other-free-agents]NFL.com news: Best, worst fits for Asomugha, Holmes, other free agents[/url][/quote]


Huh?

[quote][B]Bad Fit: Washington Redskins[/B]
The Redskins need more firepower in the passing game, but the presence of a starter (John Beck) with a popgun arm makes the situation a poor fit for Rice. Beck lacks the arm strength to throw the ball down the field and that would limit Rice’s effectiveness. The money the Redskins can throw at Rice will certainly be enticing, but he would underachieve in Washington due to the quarterback situation.


[B]Santonio Holmes, receiver
[/B][B]Ideal Fit: Washington Redskins [/B]
Holmes is the best wide receiver available on the free-agent market and is capable of thriving as a No. 1 receiver in any scheme. While the Redskins' muddled quarterback situation poses an issue, the creative mind of Mike Shanahan could take Holmes' game to another level. Shanahan transformed the likes of Rod Smith, Ed McCaffrey and Brandon Marshall into Pro Bowlers, and he would make Holmes a star [/quote]

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Huge Bucky Brooks fan, but I don't get either how Rice is a bad fit but Moss is an ideal fit? Particularly based on his reasoning of why Sidney Rice is a bad fit

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Some more:

[QUOTE]Cullen Jenkins, defensive tackle/end

Ideal Fit: Washington Redskins
Jenkins has been one of the league’s most underappreciated players, but coaches and scouts view him as a potential superstar in the right system. The Redskins’ 3-4 would place him at the five-technique, and allow him to use his versatile skill set to become an impact pass rusher along the front. With Brian Orakpo and Ryan Kerrigan poised to line up alongside him, he could feast off the isolated match-ups the Redskins’ defensive alignment creates up front.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Aubrayo Franklin, nose tackle

Bad Fit: Washington Redskins
The Redskins need an upgrade at nose tackle, but the team should opt for cheaper options. While Franklin is certainly a strong player against the run, the cost-benefit analysis for the Redskins should lead them to look elsewhere for a solution.[/QUOTE]

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Back to the Orton comments, I would take VY over Orton no question.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;812664]Back to the Orton comments, I would take VY over Orton no question.[/quote]


I'd take either

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Oh well, so much for having a thread for Redskins FA rumors and one for general FA rumors

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[quote=smootsmack;812670]oh well, so much for having a thread for redskins fa rumors and one for general fa rumors[/quote]


lol..

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[quote=SmootSmack;812670]Oh well, so much for having a thread for Redskins FA rumors and one for general FA rumors[/quote]

My Bad.

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Don't think it was you, it happened several posts ago

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with ravens 2 million over and wanting to bring back landry and carr we might just get yanda

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[quote=musicmaster45;812680]with ravens 2 million over and wanting to bring back landry and carr we might just get yanda[/quote]


Word is, they won't be re-signing Gaither.

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[quote=musicmaster45;812680]with ravens 2 million over and wanting to bring back landry and carr we might just get yanda[/quote]

Yanda, Cullen, Franklin, Holmes, and a corner. What a haul that would be.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;812689]Yanda, Cullen, Franklin, Holmes, and a corner. What a haul that would be.[/quote]


Edwards, or Rice

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[quote=skinsfaninok;812690]Edwards, or Rice[/quote]

Edwards? Braylon Edwards or the guy from the Vikings?

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[quote=Dirtbag59;812694]Edwards? Braylon Edwards or the guy from the Vikings?[/quote]

Braylon

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[quote=Dirtbag59;812694]Edwards? Braylon Edwards or the guy from the Vikings?[/quote]

Braylon Edwards.

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[quote=SkinzWin;812697]Braylon Edwards.[/quote]

Lol, yeah sorry. Terrible hands. Already dealt with Carlos, don't want to do it again with a guy whose main job is to catch the ball.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;812699]Lol, yeah sorry. Terrible hands. Already dealt with Carlos, don't want to do it again with a guy whose main job is to catch the ball.[/quote]


His hands aren't that bad