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Tommie Harris to the Colts is interesting, just a couple of years ago he was arguably the most sought after 4-3 DT in the league. Now he's kind of an afterthought

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[quote=SmootSmack;818962]Tommie Harris to the Colts is interesting, just a couple of years ago he was arguably the most sought after 4-3 DT in the league. Now he's kind of an afterthought[/quote]

Injuries and poor performance can do that to a player. It's unfortunate but he's a few years removed from his heyday.

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The Redskins might...might, might, might, be able to get a second round pick from Oakland for Fred Davis. If they act quick.

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[quote=GTripp0012;818967]The Redskins might...might, might, might, be able to get a second round pick from Oakland for Fred Davis. If they act quick.[/quote]

This made me think about an interesting question. Who, at this day and age, would people rather trade away: Cooley or Davis? No question we have a surplus at TE. Cooley is getting up there in age and hasn't been injury-proof in recent years. And I think we could get a better price for Cooley than Davis anyways.

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I'd trade Davis to Oakland for Louis Murphy

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[quote=mooby;818968]This made me think about an interesting question. Who, at this day and age, would people rather trade away: Cooley or Davis? No question we have a surplus at TE. Cooley is getting up there in age and hasn't been injury-proof in recent years. And I think we could get a better price for Cooley than Davis anyways.[/quote]

To me it's a no brainer, stick with youth, get rid of Cooley. Keep Davis. Buy low, sell high. I know he is a fan favorite, but we can get some value to move up to get in the right position for our future quarterback.

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[quote=GTripp0012;818967]The Redskins might...might, might, might, be able to get a second round pick from Oakland for Fred Davis. If they act quick.[/quote]

Why in the hell would we do that? Absolutely not, Fred Davis is a beast.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;818973]Why in the hell would we do that? Absolutely not, Fred Davis is a beast.[/quote]You'd do it because he'll be playing for someone else next year.

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[quote=mooby;818968]This made me think about an interesting question. Who, at this day and age, would people rather trade away: Cooley or Davis? No question we have a surplus at TE. Cooley is getting up there in age and hasn't been injury-proof in recent years. And I think we could get a better price for Cooley than Davis anyways.[/quote]Cooley would be the better trade piece...but Oakland can't fit him under their 2011 cap.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;818973]Why in the hell would we do that? Absolutely not, Fred Davis is a beast.[/quote]

Dude, for a second rounder? In a heartbeat. With all the qb's coming out next year we can use that pick to possibly move up. Best idea GTripp has ever had.......plus Logan Paulson Is no slouch.

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why would they trade a 2nd fir a te? seems high.

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[quote=That Guy;818978]why would they trade a 2nd fir a te? seems high.[/quote]The alternative is Kevin Boss or Bo Scaife?

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[quote=SmootSmack;818962]Tommie Harris to the Colts is interesting, just a couple of years ago he was arguably the most sought after 4-3 DT in the league. Now he's kind of an afterthought[/quote]

Following a similar theme the Colts have also added Jamaal Anderson and Ernie Sims. They are going to run the Second Chance Defense.

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[quote=That Guy;818982]boss is fine.[/quote]Have to both make it backloaded for cap friendly-ness, and outbid NYG, who are also without a starting TE under contract. Doubt they get him.

Scaife would be the blandest option ever, but seems like the only other choice is a trade.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;818970]I'd trade Davis to Oakland for Louis Murphy[/quote]

Or Stanford Routt.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;818952]REDSKINS-RIDEORDIE is DeAngelo Hall's mother[/quote]

Naw, it's just funny to me how people think it is so easy to get a great CB.....It's like getting a great DT....I feel we have one of the better CBs in the league. Like I said, you can put Darrel Green and Deion at CB, if the DL & LB cant generate pressure and the QB has 20minutes to throw the ball everytime, hell yeah one of the CBs gonna get burnt or mess up in coverage. I want everyone complaining about Hall to do all this complaining when the season starts and he's the only CB getting INTs or deflecting passes for us. Naw, everyone gonna be jumping off their dam couch going ape sh-t. Like people were saying to me when I had questions about McNabb leaving, if you dont like D. Hall, go watch the Eagles secondary and suck them off. HTTMFR....

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[quote=rbanerjee23;818973]Why in the hell would we do that? Absolutely not, Fred Davis is a beast.[/quote]

Sadly, "beasts" are not particularly adept at learning things like pass routes, blocking assignments and things that become very important in game situations.

There is a lot more to NFL football than 7-on-7 drills in practice...

A second round pick for Fred Davis would be Manna from Heaven.

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It may not be his fault but Fred Davis hasnt done squat for the Redskins yet.
I'd take a second for him.
Course I would regret that if Cooley goes down...........

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[quote=Alvin Walton;818999]It may not be his fault but Fred Davis hasnt done squat for the Redskins yet.
I'd take a second for him.
Course I would regret that if Cooley goes down...........[/quote]

I'd GLADLY take a 2nd rounder for Davis or Cooley. I'd be perfectly fine with one of them leaving and the other being the starter with Plausen (sp?) being our #2...

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Made me interested in Lofa so i thought i would share

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/789461-lofa-tatupu-4-reasons-to-believe-the-redskins-will-sign-former-seahawks-lb]Lofa Tatupu: 4 Reasons the Washington Redskins Will Sign Former Seahawks LB | Bleacher Report[/url]

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Eagles during meetings with potential Free Agents
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[quote=musicmaster45;819012]what?[/quote]

Inside source on ES says that Henson gone....

EDIT: FALSE ALARM, HENSON JUST TWEETED THAT HE HAS NOT BEEN CUT. HE SAID "HE WAS JUST FRUSTRATED, BUT HE'S NOT CUT".....SORRY

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not cut!!!! he is being weird tonight. He must be close to getting cut or something. bad day i guess

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He just clarified on twitter:

My apologies Redskin Nation definitely didnt mean to throw mixed signals just frustrated about things I can't control.. Not cut lol

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^ Guess we just posted that simultaneously. Good. I would be pissed if he got cut like that.

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[quote=musicmaster45;819022]He just clarified on twitter:

My apologies Redskin Nation definitely didnt mean to throw mixed signals just frustrated about things I can't control.. Not cut lol[/quote]

Maybe he heard we're bringing in/signing Lofa, and got pissed....that's what it kind of sounds like....

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That twitters going to get guys cut - they need to think before they press send - IMO.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;819026]That twitters going to get guys cut - they need to think before they press send - IMO.[/quote]

Shut up man. You work at McDonalds what would you know?

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yea most likely. Probably he means no starting chance with his tweet about not a second glance. He is a good guy on twitter and everyone loves him on there but be careful haha

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He's just frustrated that not only is he not penciled in as the starter but that he can't even fight for the spot right now since he's on the PUP list.

But, I said this last year, the team is very high on Riley. So even if he could compete for the spot, good luck taking it from Riley

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[quote=Dirtbag59;819027]Shut up man. You work at McDonalds what would you know?[/quote]

I'm a manager at McDonald's at your point is.

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yea not surprised with henson. sucks but that happens

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[quote=musicmaster45;819001]Made me interested in Lofa so i thought i would share

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/789461-lofa-tatupu-4-reasons-to-believe-the-redskins-will-sign-former-seahawks-lb]Lofa Tatupu: 4 Reasons the Washington Redskins Will Sign Former Seahawks LB | Bleacher Report[/url][/quote]

I might be the only one who feels this way, but this article feels so retarded I feel the need to trash it. Let's start by analyzing the four points this article states.

Point 1:
[quote=Bleacher Report]
Youth.
Tatupu is only 28 years old. He was a second-round pick in the 2005 NFL draft by the Seattle Seahawks.

Tatupu played his ball at USC but did not log too much mileage. He started his career at the University of Maine.

After his freshman year at Maine, he decided to transfer to join Pete Carroll and his unstoppable linebacker production line.

Tatupu was forced to sit a year for the transfer and ended up playing just two seasons at USC.

He put up great numbers but only logged 25 games, compared to double that number that some top linebackers play in college.

Tatupu has fresher legs than many think because of his low mileage and should be rewarded with a long-term contract if he manages to stay healthy
[/quote]

I'm not gonna argue that he's relatively in his prime right now. 28 years old is a great age to be, and he also has a history as a Pro Bowl MLB for the Seahawks. But one of the reasons they let him go is because he has knee problems, that could be troublesome for his long term future.
From [URL="http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3189/lofa-tatupu"]Rotoworld[/URL]: "NFL Films analyst Greg Cosell noted Tuesday that Tatupu looked slower on film and was "not the same player" last season in Seattle. "He's now a question, not a certain," adds Cosell."
Now I will cut him some slack, maybe these injuries are just a one time deal, and he's really not injury prone, even though he hasn't stayed healthy or looked the same these past few years.

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Tatupu could be a great fit as an inside linebacker in a 3-4 scheme.

He played in a 4-3 in college and throughout his Seattle career.

Going into a 3-4 would be a great change of a pace for the linebacker. He has yet to play it but seems like he would be a good fit.

His skill set lends him to playing the inside of a 3-4 much better than a 4-3. Having the extra linebacker out there will benefit him greatly.

If Tatupu is healthy, he could completely rejuvenate his career in Washington’s defensive scheme.
[/quote]

This is what I don't like about this article. All they've got is,"He's never played in a 3-4 before, but it seems like he might be a good fit." I mean really? That's what we've got to go on? We've gone down the "this free agent seems like he might a good fit" road before, with not-so-good results.

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The Washington Redskins desperately need someone who can take command of the defense.

After Albert Haynesworth sunk team morale to record lows last season and Mike Shanahan constantly quarreled with certain players like Donovan McNabb, the team needs to find an identity.

While the linebacker corps has veterans London Fletcher and Rocky McIntosh, Tatupu would help bring a solidifying presence to the locker room.

He was named captain his first year in the league and obviously is inspiring and respected.

Shanahan would be smart to bring in a man who can command a room like that after last season’s disaster.
[/quote]

Anytime leadership and the Redskins comes up, I honestly don't see how you can shortchange Fletcher like that. There's nothing Tatupu could've said or done that would've made us forget about McNabb and Haynesworth last year. Fletcher has the leadership angle covered. That first sentence really annoys me, it's like the writer forgot that Fletcher existed. Fail.

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Tatupu left the Seahawks because they refused to pay him an extra million dollars.

Dan Snyder, the Redskins owner, gives out millions of dollars every single year to free agents much worse than Tatupu.

Money is never seemingly an option to the Washington Redskins, except when that pesky salary cap gets in the way. It seems like they have become the New York Yankees of the NFL, but without the occasional postseason success.

Tatupu would get a fair deal from the ‘Skins, who run the 3-4 defense he could excel in.
[/quote]

And the biggest reason why Tatupu should sign with us is money, so we can dole out millions on him? And I like how he says that money is never a problem, except when we have to worry about the salary cap. Like this offseason? When we spent the first week of free agency doing nothing because we were too busy trying to free up cap space like our NFCE brethren NY and Dallas? It's nice to see how some things never change.

I'd like to make it clear. I'm not entirely against Tatupu. The writer might be right in saying he could be a good fit for us. But this article highlights all the wrong points in talking about why we should bring him in. To sum up the article.

A. Tatupu is young, and clearly will be fine for several more years, because it's not like he's had any injury problems or anything.

B. Tatupu has never played in a 3-4 before, but he might be good in it.

C. Tatupu is a leader, and the Redskins clearly don't have anyone, let alone an existing MLB, who fulfills a leadership role on this team.

D. Tatupu needs to get paid. Who better to do that than the Redskins?

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Idk he seems beastly and he might be cheap

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[quote=musicmaster45;819042]Idk he seems beastly and he might be cheap[/quote]

I'll give you that. He was beastly, circa 05-07. 08-present has been spotty though. Because he's had injury problems, and hasn't looked the same on the field. He's still good as a MLB in a 4-3. But we don't even have an idea if he might be good in a 3-4, and if he wants big money, fuggedaboudit.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;819038]I'm a manager at McDonald's at your point is.[/quote]

Wait are you reverse trolling me? Am I being reversed trolled?