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[quote=Lotus;852712]Since you agree so much with the Occupy movement, why don't you get more involved and give the movement what it most lacks: concrete direction?[/quote]

Brilliant

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^^ What he said.

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[quote=hooskins;852685]Lotus you are way too serious. Jk, very well stated and can't disagree with you.

Glad we are reaching a point of agreement from both sides. Here is a pretty ironic story related to OWS and one of it's issues. I think both "sides" will find it funny.

[URL="http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/zuccotti_hell_kitchen_i5biNyYYhpa8MSYIL9xSDL"]Occupy Wall Street kitchen slowdown targets squatters - NYPOST.com[/URL][/quote]


[quote]
As the kitchen workers met with the “General Assembly’’ last night, about 300 demonstrators stormed from the park to Reade Street and Broadway, where they violently clashed with cops.

Officers made at least 10 arrests when rowdy demonstrators refused to get out of the street and stop blocking traffic. A dozen cops on scooters tried to force them back to the sidewalk.
[/quote]

Cops rock scooters in NYC?!!?!?

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[quote=firstdown;852708]There is no evidence the cops injured that man. [B]The stuff the cops used do not normally cause those types of injuries[/B]. Now the rocks thrown by the protestors could cause those injuries. No one knows at this point so thats poor attempt by the writer to pin that on the police.[/quote]

my guess is you never had interactions with cops

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[quote=Chico23231;852779]my guess is you never had interactions with cops[/quote]

I had sex with an off duty female officer back in the 90's if that counts.

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[quote=Chico23231;852779]my guess is you never had interactions with cops[/quote]

And that's a bad thing?????

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[quote=Alvin Walton;852790]And that's a bad thing?????[/quote]

it's not a bad thing, but it does make his statement on what can and can't happen from cops in riot gear handling a crowd a little suspect. For the record, in the military, as a MP stationed in Germany, we practiced riot control a lot. Lots of bad things can happen to people who want to be agitators.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;852793]it's not a bad thing, but it does make his statement on what can and can't happen from cops in riot gear handling a crowd a little suspect. For the record, in the military, as a MP stationed in Germany, we practiced riot control a lot. Lots of bad things can happen to people who want to be agitators.[/quote]

My main point was the article had pinned that on the cops when it was not known what happened to the guy. If you had to choose from the following which one is most likley to crack a skull.

Bean bag bullets
Pepper spray containers
large rocks flying through the air

I'd have to vote on large rocks flying though the air.

[QUOTE=firstdown;852808]My main point was the article had pinned that on the cops when it was not known what happened to the guy. If you had to choose from the following which one is most likley to crack a skull.

Bean bag bullets
Pepper spray containers
large rocks flying through the air

I'd have to vote on large rocks flying though the air.[/QUOTE]
Well riot batons and shields can cause a bit of trauma, and flying rocks may but the damage would be different then a riot baton against a skull. I imagine the doctors would be able to distinguish by the nature of the fracture.

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The was done for all the tent girls running around.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9y6phGKDso&feature=related]Rodney Carrington - Put Your Clothes Back On - YouTube[/ame]

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[quote=firstdown;852808]My main point was the article had pinned that on the cops when it was not known what happened to the guy. If you had to choose from the following which one is most likley to crack a skull.

Bean bag bullets
Pepper spray containers
large rocks flying through the air

I'd have to vote on large rocks flying though the air.[/quote]


Your point is wrong.


[url=http://vimeo.com/31187119]Footage of Scott Olsen being shot by Police at Occupy Oakland on Vimeo[/url]


Watch the video. The guy in the video will point out this cop that throws a flash bang grenade while people are trying to help this guy who's laying injured on the ground. It's sickening and it should cost that guy his job.


[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/debating-with-the-enemy/37151-whats-up-with-cops-these-days.html[/url]



This is another thing I'm sick and tired of. Blaming everything on the other person and not the cops. Guess what? If you haven't been paying attention much, cops are just as bad as the crooks these days(some hyperbole). Look no further than the thread above to see some of the shit they do, and this doesn't count the stuff that isn't caught. Don't assume 1) these people were throwing anything 2) cops don't lie

Cops and and law enforcement have shown time and time again to **** up, and then lie and cover it up. I'm willing to bet you my life nobody was throwing rocks or bottles at the protest. They hadn't been so why all of a sudden now? No. The cops even stated their intentions of tear gas/extreme force and they followed through as well.



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That video sucks.
I couldnt tell what was happening and I couldnt tell him from anyone else or who hit what.

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That video actually shows that the flash of sparks actually hit a camera man wearing shorts. If you look at the video it shows Scott standing about 8' infront of the white line on the road as a camera man is running by him in shorts. Then it shows ths sparks flying (hitting something) right on the white line (1:12 in the video hit pause) and if you look that person is wearing shorts and is right where the camera man was running. Scott had on long pants and was 8' up so that could not have been him. It really does not matter because the video also does a great job covering up the cops telling the crowd repeadly that they were going to use tear gas.

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Not sure of the credibility of this website but apparently Scott Olsen is not very proud of his service. The press should stop lauding him as an Iraq veteran.

[url=http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/]The Gateway Pundit | Where Hope Made a Comeback[/url]

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I wouldn't attack him personally he did serve two tours in Iraq.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;852878]That video sucks.
I couldnt tell what was happening and I couldnt tell him from anyone else or who hit what.[/quote]



[quote=firstdown;852883]That video actually shows that the flash of sparks actually hit a camera man wearing shorts. If you look at the video it shows Scott standing about 8' infront of the white line on the road as a camera man is running by him in shorts. Then it shows ths sparks flying (hitting something) right on the white line and if you look that person is wearing shorts and is right where the camera man was running. Scott had on long pants and was 8' up so that could not have been him. It really does not matter because the video also does a great job covering up the cops telling the crowd repeadly that they were going to use tear gas.[/quote]

The video doesn't show how the guy(scott) originally got hit, it shows that the cops didn't care whether they were a threat or not and just provoked their own violence without justification. You do realize those tear gas grenades are shot with a launcher right? Try having one of those grenades hit you in the head and tell me if you still remain standing.

At the 1:30 mark. You can see the a few individuals gathering around the down veteran to help him out. NOBODY was making any moves towards the cops. The guy highlights the cop in question and you can see him tossing a flash bang grenade right on top on them while they are trying to help him. You can hear the people saying "Help him"....and what do they do? Throw a flash bang grenade on them. ....lol WE ARE HERE TO SERVE AND PROTECT.

1:59 mark. You can see the officer tossing the grenade into the group of people trying to help the downed individual. If you can't see that, you are making excuses of bad behavior by the cops. Sickening.


Are you two guys even serious? It's plain as day and yet you can't see it?...lol People see what they want to see.

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[quote=NC_Skins;852892]The video doesn't show how the guy(scott) originally got hit, it shows that the cops didn't care whether they were a threat or not and just provoked their own violence without justification. You do realize those tear gas grenades are shot with a launcher right? Try having one of those grenades hit you in the head and tell me if you still remain standing.

[B]At the 1:30 mark. You can see the a few individuals gathering around the down veteran to help him out. NOBODY was making any moves towards the cops. The guy highlights the cop in question and you can see him tossing a flash bang grenade right on top on them while they are trying to help him. You can hear the people saying "Help him"....and what do they do? Throw a flash bang grenade on them[/B]. ....lol WE ARE HERE TO SERVE AND PROTECT.

1:59 mark. You can see the officer tossing the grenade into the group of people trying to help the downed individual. If you can't see that, you are making excuses of bad behavior by the cops. Sickening.


Are you two guys even serious? It's plain as day and yet you can't see it?...lol People see what they want to see.[/quote]


If someone would have shot the officer who threw the granade at the group, Id be satisfied.

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And here comes the smear campaign right on queue. The public have a hero or symbol they can get behind, the media will smear his name right into the ground regardless if it's true or not.

/facepalm

Even if the guy hates the marines, does it discredit anything he's done for our country or his time served? Not in the least.

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[quote=NC_Skins;852892][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="3"]The video doesn't show how the guy(scott) originally got hit,[/SIZE][/COLOR] it shows that the cops didn't care whether they were a threat or not and just provoked their own violence without justification. You do realize those tear gas grenades are shot with a launcher right? Try having one of those grenades hit you in the head and tell me if you still remain standing.

At the 1:30 mark. You can see the a few individuals gathering around the down veteran to help him out. NOBODY was making any moves towards the cops. The guy highlights the cop in question and you can see him tossing a flash bang grenade right on top on them while they are trying to help him. You can hear the people saying "Help him"....and what do they do? Throw a flash bang grenade on them. ....lol WE ARE HERE TO SERVE AND PROTECT.

1:59 mark. You can see the officer tossing the grenade into the group of people trying to help the downed individual. If you can't see that, you are making excuses of bad behavior by the cops. Sickening.


Are you two guys even serious? It's plain as day and yet you can't see it?...lol People see what they want to see.[/quote]

No doubt the guy was hit by[I] something[/I].
And no, I did not see a police tear gas cannister hit that guy in the head.
I watched the video three times.
Were the cops heavy handed?
It looks like they were.
But without knowing what the cop's direct orders were they may have done exactly what they were told to do...right or wrong.

And for what its worth I do think the USA is turning into a bit of a police state where the cops have too much authority.

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[quote=NC_Skins;852892]The video doesn't show how the guy(scott) originally got hit, it shows that the cops didn't care whether they were a threat or not and just provoked their own violence without justification. You do realize those tear gas grenades are shot with a launcher right? Try having one of those grenades hit you in the head and tell me if you still remain standing.

At the 1:30 mark. You can see the a few individuals gathering around the down veteran to help him out. NOBODY was making any moves towards the cops. The guy highlights the cop in question and you can see him tossing a flash bang grenade right on top on them while they are trying to help him. You can hear the people saying "Help him"....and what do they do? Throw a flash bang grenade on them. ....lol WE ARE HERE TO SERVE AND PROTECT.

1:59 mark. You can see the officer tossing the grenade into the group of people trying to help the downed individual. If you can't see that, you are making excuses of bad behavior by the cops. Sickening.


Are you two guys even serious? It's plain as day and yet you can't see it?...lol People see what they want to see.[/quote]

Actually I don't get the Flash Bomb but it came from behind the officer circled not him. You see on object fly over his head and another object come flying in from his right. If that was intentional that person should be punished. Other then that the people were warned with plenty of time to get off the streets and they decided to stay.

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The cops should have just told the crowd that a bus load of under age skanks just showed up down the road and they would have taken off running. Instead of warning them about the use of tear gas.

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Im in the middle on this. Im nearly positive the injuries to the Marine came from a tear gas container or other crowd disbursement weapon fired from the police. But the guy should have fled once the police started firing tear gas, instead he just stood there and took on the risk that something could happen. If he had left he wouldn’t have been hit by a canister and perhaps the police wouldn’t have had the need to fire additional canisters. I think police abuse powers but that doesn’t give me the right not to pull over when a cop car flashes his lights, or waive my responsibility to disperse when they fire tear gas at me.

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[quote=firstdown;852904]Actually I don't get the Flash Bomb but it came from behind the officer circled not him. You see on object fly over his head and another object come flying in from his right. If that was intentional that person should be punished. Other then that the people were warned with plenty of time to get off the streets and they decided to stay.[/quote]


You need your eyes checked. The cop steps back, and throws the flash bang grenade under hand onto the people helping the victim. Here you are again, making excuses when it's plain as day what the guy did. They even freaking highlight it (the cop and the grenade) for you at the 1:30 mark. Not sure how you are missing this over and over again.

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Again, not making excuses for the cops, but a couple things on that video, and preface with I wasn't there. one, once the guy was down, if a crowd surrounds him that is a threat to the police's safety. NC_Skins, you say no one was trying to get the police, but from the police's view it only takes one instigator hidden in the crowd of people helping Olsen to throw an incendiary device, and a whole bunch of police would be hurt. That crowd gathered fast, and the reaction is to disperse them just as fast. Second, and again, I don't know this, but if the cops did want to help Olsen, they would need to go past that barricade, or the medics would, and a gathered crowd would prevent that, so again, they would need to be dispersed. The grenade actually landed past the crowd, just a bit (not a lot) if you watch the highlighted portion from 1:37 on.

You also can't tell what happened to Olsen originally, but it is odd that everyone else was clearing out that area, while he stood there seemingly unaware of anything.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;852942]Again, not making excuses for the cops, but a couple things on that video, and preface with I wasn't there. one, once the guy was down, if a crowd surrounds him that is a threat to the police's safety. NC_Skins, you say no one was trying to get the police, but from the police's view it only takes one instigator hidden in the crowd of people helping Olsen to throw an incendiary device, and a whole bunch of police would be hurt. That crowd gathered fast, and the reaction is to disperse them just as fast. Second, and again, I don't know this, but if the cops did want to help Olsen, they would need to go past that barricade, or the medics would, and a gathered crowd would prevent that, so again, they would need to be dispersed. The grenade actually landed past the crowd, just a bit (not a lot) if you watch the highlighted portion from 1:37 on.

You also can't tell what happened to Olsen originally, but it is odd that everyone else was clearing out that area, [COLOR="Red"]while he stood there seemingly unaware of anything[/COLOR].[/quote]

Yea, he just stood there stock still thru the whole thing.
Kinda weird that a combat veteran would allow himself to be exposed like that.

And I agree that a cop lobbed a flash bang in the group of people trying to help him.

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I am at work and can't view the clip. With that caveat, here's my two cents:

Given the numbers involved and the fact that protests are all taking place in the heart of very busy cities, I would suggest that the fact that only one protester has been seriously injured is a testament to the restraint of both the police and the protestors. I would suggest that, had the OWS movement tried this stunt in the 50's, 60's or even early 70's, that the level of violence would have been [I]significantly[/I] higher. I commend both sides for conducting a mostly civil, mostly peaceful protest that is mostly safe to the property and person of those not choosing to be part of the protest. I do not doubt there will be an investigation into Mr. Scott's injury and, if the police are determined to have acted in an unprofessional manner that caused harm, sanctions will follow (again, crowd control has come a long way since the 60's - as I am not convinced such an investigation would have happened then).

Crowd control by police of large - otherwise peaceful - crowds is an innately tricky, tense affair. Crowds can become mobs quickly and a mob can become a dangerous, powerful force of indiscriminate destruction just as quickly. Thus, what starts as a peaceful protest can quickly turn into an uncontrollable destructive force - have we already forgotten London?

If the police have been heavy handed at times, I would suggest that, in countless confrontations, they have also dispersed disruptive crowds in a manner consistent with the law and with the rights of citizens who either oppose or chose to ignore the protest. As I have said before, non-OWS folks have the right to go about their lives without being subjected to illegal traffic/pedestrian obstructions by the OWS. OWS may have the right to protest, but everyone else has the right to use public property to get to work, school or simply for their own lawful enjoyment of the same. Only a fool would fail to see that, for the police doing so, balancing the rights of these two groups is an extremely tricky and dangerous proposition.

I would hope all agree that some type of police monitoring of any large, organized crowd is necessary - particularly in city settings where close contact with individuals not part of the protest is both imminent and can occur in large volume. Further, in such settings, the congested nature of buildings and people exponentially increase the number of potential "sparks" that could turn the crowd to mob and mob to violence. Obviously, the police themselves also create, by their mere presense, potential conflict and is something that must be considered in determining the size and nature of the police presence.

All of this is simply to say, despite the recent portrayal of the police as a bunch of goose stepping stormtroopers, I believe that they have, in the main, acted with professionalism and have managed a tense situation well. Not perfectly - but well. The protestors have rights but so do the rest of the public and balancing those competing rights on the streets, in the middle of a congested metropolis, day after day is not an easy affair.

Again, in light of [I]all[/I] the surrounding circumstances, I commend both sides on the lack of violence, damage and/or injury to protesters, police, property and non-participants.

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[quote=NC_Skins;852940]You need your eyes checked. The cop steps back, and throws the flash bang grenade under hand onto the people helping the victim. Here you are again, making excuses when it's plain as day what the guy did. They even freaking highlight it (the cop and the grenade) for you at the 1:30 mark. Not sure how you are missing this over and over again.[/quote]

I see it now. Is it just me or does this video stop and start through the first half?

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JoeRedskin shutting everyone up once again

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that officer who threw the flash gernande is a POS.

he deliberately threw it nonchalantly underhanded (without moving his body or arms, just flicking his wrist underhanded) so a video perhaps wouldnt pick it up.

what a POS. there are a bunch of stupid power tripping dirty cops. ive had run ins with them ive written about on here, weve all seen the various videos we sometimes post on here.

there are some bad ones, some good ones. but it really gets me that this guy knew he was doing somehting dirty b/c he tried to do it inconspicuously which clearly shows an intentional malicious act with knowledge it was wrong.

[QUOTE=mlmpetert;852937]Im in the middle on this. Im nearly positive the injuries to the Marine came from a tear gas container or other crowd disbursement weapon fired from the police. But the guy should have fled once the police started firing tear gas, instead he just stood there and took on the risk that something could happen. If he had left he wouldn’t have been hit by a canister and perhaps the police wouldn’t have had the need to fire additional canisters. I think police abuse powers but that doesn’t give me the right not to pull over when a cop car flashes his lights, or waive my responsibility to disperse when they fire tear gas at me.[/QUOTE]

How dare you not have a polarized option!

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[quote=Lotus;852712]Since you agree so much with the Occupy movement, why don't you get more involved and give the movement what it most lacks: concrete direction?[/quote]


I didn't ignore this earlier so here is my response. It's not in my best interest or the interest of the movement to go anywhere near those protests. Why you ask? Because I'm not the type of person that responds to bullies well at all. I hold the mentality of that this guy has.


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojPVOhHhwnk]Roadhouse - YouTube[/ame]

I'm nice, until it's time not to be nice. A cop does something dirty like that with the flash bang, I'm coming back with Molotov bombs. I'd personally rather let peace reign and get the issues fixed than have some spark (whether a dirty cop or hot tempered person) ignited into something bloody and violent. If I ever feel the people are being brutalized by the cops, then that's when I'll show up to fight for my fellow Americans. I like bullying the bullies.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;852973]Given the numbers involved and the fact that protests are all taking place in the heart of very busy cities, I would suggest that the fact that only one protester has been seriously injured is a testament to the restraint of both the police and the protestors. I would suggest that, had the OWS movement tried this stunt in the 50's, 60's or even early 70's, that the level of violence would have been [I]significantly[/I] higher. I commend both sides for conducting a mostly civil, mostly peaceful protest that is mostly safe to the property and person of those not choosing to be part of the protest. I do not doubt there will be an investigation into Mr. Scott's injury and, if the police are determined to have acted in an unprofessional manner that caused harm, sanctions will follow (again, crowd control has come a long way since the 60's - as I am not convinced such an investigation would have happened then). .[/quote]


I can agree with a majority of what you said, and without a doubt it's no easy task to monitor that many people all the while having your other duties. If anything, you just block the area and let it be. No sense of igniting something that shouldn't be ignited. Who cares in the end if a street or two is blocked off?

I disagree with the "investigation" bullshit though. How many times have we seen these "investigations" only to clear the cop of any and all wrong doing even though there is significant evidence to prove otherwise? Hell, even the cops in the Rodney King beating were cleared...lol That's my biggest issue with cops now. It's not that cops do these bad things, it's that their leadership covers for them and hides the truth.

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[quote=over the mountain;852985][B]that officer who threw the flash gernande is a POS. [/B]
he deliberately threw it nonchalantly underhanded (without moving his body or arms, just flicking his wrist underhanded) so a video perhaps wouldnt pick it up.

what a POS. there are a bunch of stupid power tripping dirty cops. ive had run ins with them ive written about on here, weve all seen the various videos we sometimes post on here.

there are some bad ones, some good ones. but it really gets me that this guy knew he was doing somehting dirty b/c he tried to do it inconspicuously which clearly shows an intentional malicious act with knowledge it was wrong.[/quote]

Thats the type of thing you see in communist China. Really no excuse. Especially after beating down an unarmed iraq war vet. Pathetic use of force by the police.

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[quote=NC_Skins;852998]I didn't ignore this earlier so here is my response. It's not in my best interest or the interest of the movement to go anywhere near those protests. Why you ask? Because I'm not the type of person that responds to bullies well at all. I hold the mentality of that this guy has.

I'm nice, until it's time not to be nice. A cop does something dirty like that with the flash bang, I'm coming back with Molotov bombs. [B]I'd personally rather let peace reign and get the issues fixed[/B] than have some spark (whether a dirty cop or hot tempered person) ignited into something bloody and violent. If I ever feel the people are being brutalized by the cops, then that's when I'll show up to fight for my fellow Americans. I like bullying the bullies.[/quote]

So, essentially, you prefer just to sit on the sideline and bitch but not do any of the actual hard work required to organize, fund and effectuate the change you so passionately believe is necessary.

Gotcha. Good thing you're not apathetic.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;853003]So, essentially, you prefer just to sit on the sideline and bitch but not do any of the actual hard work required to organize, fund and effectuate the change you so passionately believe is necessary.

Gotcha. Good thing you're not apathetic.[/quote]


You can mock me all you want. You don't know me and you don't know what I will or will not do. If a guy tells you his limitations, respect that. I have no problem doing any work behind the scenes or giving funds to the movement. You are taking my statement and making the conclusion I wouldn't put any effort into the movement. Why do you have to be on the street to support the movement? You know what you sound like? You sound like some of those Redskins fans that say you aren't a true Redskin fan unless you attend games...lol

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[quote=NC_Skins;852998]I didn't ignore this earlier so here is my response. It's not in my best interest or the interest of the movement to go anywhere near those protests. Why you ask? Because I'm not the type of person that responds to bullies well at all. I hold the mentality of that this guy has.


[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojPVOhHhwnk]Roadhouse - YouTube[/url]

I'm nice, until it's time not to be nice. A cop does something dirty like that with the flash bang, I'm coming back with Molotov bombs. I'd personally rather let peace reign and get the issues fixed than have some spark (whether a dirty cop or hot tempered person) ignited into something bloody and violent. If I ever feel the people are being brutalized by the cops, then that's when I'll show up to fight for my fellow Americans. I like bullying the bullies.[/quote]

So if you were there you would have thrown gasoline bombs at the police?
yea right.....

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[quote=NC_Skins;853010]You can mock me all you want. You don't know me and you don't know what I will or will not do. If a guy tells you his limitations, respect that. I have no problem doing any work behind the scenes or giving funds to the movement. You are taking my statement and making the conclusion I wouldn't put any effort into the movement. Why do you have to be on the street to support the movement? You know what you sound like? You sound like some of those Redskins fans that say you aren't a true Redskin fan unless you attend games...lol[/quote]

So are you giving funds to the movement?

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[quote=NC_Skins;852999]I can agree with a majority of what you said, and without a doubt it's no easy task to monitor that many people all the while having your other duties. [B]If anything, you just block the area and let it be. No sense of igniting something that shouldn't be ignited. Who cares in the end if a street or two is blocked off?[/B][/quote]

Except that everyone, not just the protestors have a right to use public property. What if you live or work there? What if your livelihood requires others to be able to reach you there? What if your health or safety requires routine access to the area either b/c you live there or you need something from the area? As usual, it's just not as simple as you try to make it.

[quote=NC_Skins;852999]I disagree with the "investigation" bullshit though. How many times have we seen these "investigations" only to clear the cop of any and all wrong doing even though there is significant evidence to prove otherwise? Hell, even the cops in the Rodney King beating were cleared...lol That's my biggest issue with cops now. It's not that cops do these bad things, it's that their leadership covers for them and hides the truth.[/quote]

Undoubtedly, cops cover up cops actions. At the same time, I would suggest that police are also being subject to sanctions more often than at any time in history. In the era of internet, facebook and youtube, it is much more difficult for officers to escape scrutiny as they have in the past. Are there still abuses? Undoubtedly. Is there more accountability than there was even 30 years ago? I believe that also to be true.

And just so we're clear, rather than demonstrating a will to cover things up, I would suggest that the Rodney King affair demonstrates just how far the government will go to pursue justice when it comes to police abuse. The cops in the Rodney King beating were criminally charged and found not guilty by a jury who viewed the entire video not just the portions released to the public. They were subsequently [I]re[/I]charged with civil rights violations and found guilty. Bottom line is, the State went to great lengths to secure significant sanctions of those cops.

But I digress ...