[QUOTE=12thMan;848986]Steal? They Raiders got seriously ripped off...a first round pick!? Wonder what happens to Campbell next year? Hmmm....back to D.C. anyone?[/QUOTE]

I would rather walk back to dc wearing a mcnabb jersey than have campbell at qb next year.

It not that he's that bad, it's that i it happens we would be moving in the wrong direction.

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Makes me think we didn't ask the Raiders for enough for Campbell....what did we get?...a 4th rounder or something?..sheesh!

I hope the skins FO learned something here....you don't get trade value just based on talent....you get it based on perception of how willing a FO is to trade them.
Everyone knew Campbell was gone, so we didn't get much....same issue with McNabb....and we ended up giving the Eagles a 2nd and 3rd for McNabb? Why?...because we thought they were fine holding on to him.
Let's learn something here!

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Talk about a crappy trade....I bet most of you would be pissed if the Skins gave up a single 2nd rounder for Palmer...and out QB situation is arguably worse.
I would have been pissed too...a 3rd or 4th rounder?...ok for a 30+yr injury prone declining QB to hold down the fort for 2 years....even that is arguable

I see the Raiders as complete morons on this one...I was SHOCKED at what they paid....SHOCKED

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The Raiders were desperate and made a desperate move.

A 4th for JC was perfectly fair compensation and came under different circumstances.

Apples and oranges.

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[quote=Mattyk;849300]The Raiders were desperate and made a desperate move.

A 4th for JC was perfectly fair compensation and came under different circumstances.

Apples and oranges.[/quote]

I wish we got oranges...hell, the Bengals got enough to make a gallon of OJ

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He and the team have carved him out a nice place, he can (and is) having success. I hope he does not lose it..........

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[quote=GTripp0012;849088]And Palmer was a much better player at his peak than McNabb was. That's a big one when evaluating the relative compensation.[/quote]

Not when the deals are a season apart and they're both past their primes. Hell, I'm rooting for the guy, we shall see.

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I wonder if when Palmer said he wanted to go to a more stable organization, the Raiders were at the top of his list?

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Bottom line on this trade:

Yeah, the Raiders paid a steep prize but they had to do something cause Kyle Boller isn't the answer and this is a pretty good team who are not about not let their season go to waste. The Raiders have a solid team all around and whether you like it or not, are a better than the Redskins at this point. The one weakness holding them back (just like the Redskins) is the QB position. Personally I think Palmer will be rejuvenated and take the Raiders to the division championship, call me crazy or a crack smoker the Raiders needed to pull this expensive move. We will see if it was bad or good in a few weeks. Remember they have a sense of purpose and are playing for Al.

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[quote=SmootSmack;849306]I wonder if when Palmer said he wanted to go to a more stable organization, the Raiders were at the top of his list?[/quote]

The Raiders are fine since he actually said that he wanted to go to a more Stabler organization.

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[quote=Lotus;849310]The Raiders are fine since he actually said that he wanted to go to a more Stabler organization.[/quote]

Very well played

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;849308]Bottom line on this trade:

Yeah, the Raiders paid a steep prize but they had to do something cause Kyle Boller isn't the answer and this is a pretty good team who are not about not let their season go to waste. The Raiders have a solid team all around and whether you like it or not, are a better than the Redskins at this point. The one weakness holding them back (just like the Redskins) is the QB position. Personally I think Palmer will be rejuvenated and take the Raiders to the division championship, call me crazy or a crack smoker the Raiders needed to pull this expensive move. We will see if it was bad or good in a few weeks. Remember they have a sense of purpose and are playing for Al.[/quote]

Even with Palmer they're not a SB contender. On top of that I heard today on tv that they only have 5th and 6th round draft picks next year. They went for the quick fix and it's going to blow up in their faces imo.

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[quote=skinsfan69;849317]Even with Palmer they're not a SB contender. On top of that I heard today on tv that they only have 5th and 6th round draft picks next year. They went for the quick fix and it's going to blow up in their faces imo.[/quote]

Oakland is expecting to receive compensatory picks after losing Nnamdi Asomugha, Zach Miller, Robert Gallery, Thomas Howard and Bruce Gradkowski in free agency.

Asomugha, Gallery, were 1st round picks, Miller and Howard were a 2nd rounders, so I would say they will get something in the 3rd and 4th round.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;849320]Oakland is expecting to receive compensatory picks after losing Nnamdi Asomugha, Zach Miller, Robert Gallery, Thomas Howard and Bruce Gradkowski in free agency.

Asomugha, Gallery, were 1st round picks, Miller and Howard were a 2nd rounders, so I would say they will get something in the 3rd and 4th round.[/quote]

I think comp picks have to do with how many free agents you lose compared to how many you bring in. And contract size has to do with it as well. Butyeah I do agree the Raiders should be receiving at least one 3rd for losing Nnamdi.

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The Raidahs offense is full of untapped potential. McFadden is [I]not[/I] their only good player. Their receiving corps is criminally underrated because JC17 always does that to his WRs. Whether or not Palmer can tap into that potential is a different matter, but it is there. Jacoby Ford is better than any WR on our roster.

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Jacoby ford is not better than Moss or Gaffney, cmon now dude show some respect to these guys that have done it for years, ford is a KR PR for goodness sakes

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[quote=skinsfaninok;849332]Jacoby ford is not better than Moss or Gaffney, cmon now dude show some respect to these guys that have done it for years, ford is a KR PR for goodness sakes[/quote]

Have you seen him play? He's better than Gaffney, he's a starter and burner. Have you heard of Marcel Reese or Taiwan Jones? Damn good RB's. Darius-Bey is having a good year, Denarius Moore is a very nice rookie, Louis Murphy, Chaz Shilens, Derek Hagan are all good receivers. You might not recognize the names, this team is loaded.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;849332]Jacoby ford is not better than Moss or Gaffney, cmon now dude show some respect to these guys that have done it for years, ford is a KR PR for goodness sakes[/quote]

Ford is already miles ahead of Devin Hester the WR because catching the ball comes naturally to him. Not many WRs can go over the top and snatch the ball away from a CB like Ford did in the KC game last year. Moss has never been a strength guy and Gaffney? How about being nonexistent for the Patriots as their #3 before finally producing because Josh McDaniels loves to pass a lot.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU7HG0LE_30]||Jacoby Ford|| Raiders 2011|| HD|| - YouTube[/ame]

He has remarkable concentration and hand-eye coordination and has actual hands.

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[url=http://articles.sfgate.com/2011-09-10/sports/30137996_1_darrius-heyward-bey-speed-jacoby-ford]Who's the Raiders' fastest player? - SFGate[/url]

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Yes I watch Oakland a lot and I do like ford guys but I'm not talking speed I'm talking production at WR and he's still unproven

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With Campbell coming back potentially in 6 weeks, I did not think they'd invest so much in a QB...just someone to bridge that gap so Boller isn't on the field. JC was playing VERY well for them...now it looks like he'll be gone since he's a FA and they've gotta stick with Palmer after overpaying for him so badly.

They better hope he's someone close to where he was before his injury. He hasn't been the same since.

However, after watching Ochocinco in NE this year...maybe it wasn't Palmer's fault completely. He should have a better offense around him in Oakland, especially with McFadden behind him. The WRs are talented but there is no clear #1. Heyward-Bey has been outstanding lately (with Campbell), Ford is always dangerous, Louis Murphy is reliable if nothing else...but no real star in the group.

Going to be interesting to watch. This is either going to propel Oakland to the next level or cripple them for 3 years minimum.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;849386]Yes I watch Oakland a lot and I do like ford guys but I'm not talking speed I'm talking production at WR and he's still unproven[/quote]

The real scouts hit on guys before their production takes off. Jacoby Ford will become a 1000+ yard receiver before his career is over.

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Palmer to start this Sunday.

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wow Palmer already huh?

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;849496]The real scouts hit on guys before their production takes off. Jacoby Ford will become a 1000+ yard receiver before his career is over.[/quote]

Well Brandon Lloyd was a star last year so does that make him better than anything we have? JS bro lets talk how great Ford is in 4 years

BTW 9 rec in 6 games isn't any good

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[quote=skinsfaninok;849509]Well Brandon Lloyd was a star last year so does that make him better than anything we have? JS bro lets talk how great Ford is in 4 years

BTW 9 rec in 6 games isn't any good[/quote]
Ah, faulty data analysis at its finest.

Yes, Lloyd finally get his head out of his ass and started tapping into his talents. The tapped Lloyd was indeed better than whatever we have right now. Then comes in passing game killer John Fox and Lloyd fell off the face of the planet. It is not his fault.


For was inactive for 2 games due to injury. Only started one game b/c of injury. Had 3 receptions in every game except in NE. Last time I check, injury affects [I]production[/I], not [I]skill[/I].

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Injuries are apart of it my man, moss never misses games for us now that's production.. Ford is an avg at best WR

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What if Cinci and Oakland play in the divisional playoffs round in the next two years?

If Oakland wins, Oakland will go to the AFC title game, giving Cinci an extra #1 rather than #2 pick for Palmer. In losing, Cinci wins.

If Cinci wins the game, they will go to the AFC title game, thus making that extra pick a #2 rather than a #1. In winning, Cinci will lose on draft day.

So interesting.

About the trade:
[quote]On Tuesday, the Raiders traded either a pair of No. 1s (on the condition they make the AFC title game in either of the next two seasons) or a 1 and a 2 for Carson Palmer(notes)[/quote]
[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AjHt9D9bU5.8j67jkN8qf8VDubYF?slug=ms-silver_32_questions_raiders_gamble_carson_palmer_101911]Jackson not hesitant to roll dice on Palmer - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;849517]Injuries are apart of it my man, moss never misses games for us now that's production.. Ford is an avg at best WR[/quote]Oh, so now Jamaal Charles is one of the worst backs in the league because he'll be posting up a giant goose-egg for the rest of the season? Or Lichtensteiger is terrible because he won't be playing for the rest of the season? Or how about Max Pacioretty's injury when getting run into the stanchion?
An unknown =/= bad.
As if the player has control of the situation in which he gets injured.

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No Jamal Charles has produced big time ford hasn't not the same thing bro

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[quote=skinsfaninok;849525]No Jamal Charles has produced big time ford hasn't not the same thing bro[/quote]
Let's start from the top.
Argument
Jacoby Ford has 9 catches out of all games this season(6)
That means he averages 1.5 catches a game
Therefore he is average.

Problem here is that averages don't count games the player doesn't participate in. Ford averages 2.25 catches per in each game was eligible to play.

So, even though Ford has been deemed ineligible for 2 games this season, they should count against him.

So, why don't we apply this to everyone else and not just Ford? I don't care if it's Peyton Manning or JaMarcus Russell. Stats like yards per game are meant to be [I]objective[/I] measures. So, should every "per game" stat like catches per game or yards per game count only if the player is active or should it be that every game his team players, even if he is inactive? You can't have it one way for every "unknown" and then favor every superstar with a different stat.

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Palmer 3 Ints today

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[quote=skinsfaninok;851533]Palmer 3 Ints today[/quote]

Bengals owner: Okay Carson, they are offering us TWO really high draft picks for your washed up services. Go out there and get us the first overall, and we will have all the power. mwahaaaahaaahaaaa!!!

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I think Palmer's failure to perform can be primarily attributed having so little time to learn the playbook. John Beck looked like a total scrub and Kerry Collins was also ineffective when they had to do that.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;851612]I think Palmer's failure to perform can be primarily attributed having so little time to learn the playbook. John Beck looked like a total scrub and Kerry Collins was also ineffective when they had to do that.[/quote]

Plus no training camp, no practice time, etc. This week says little about Carson Palmer.

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Palmer really had no business playing this week. He said he knows about 10% of the offense. And that's probably a pretty generous estimate on his part.

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Ah well, at least the Colts game took a little heat off of him.

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[quote=Mattyk;851703]Palmer really had no business playing this week. He said he knows about 10% of the offense. And that's probably a pretty generous estimate on his part.[/quote]

Agree in full what were they thinking putting him in after the game was out ouf reach anyway, i know i was a division game but geeeesh. Now the team moral is in the dumps as if it wasnt already.

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[quote=Mattyk;851703]Palmer really had no business playing this week. He said he knows about 10% of the offense. And that's probably a pretty generous estimate on his part.[/quote]

Well, Al Davis decided that Kyle Boller was worth a roster spot. Looks like even after death, he manages to make fans desire a real GM for the Raiders. :rofl:

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Oakland really missed Jason Campell yesterday. Wow.