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[quote=NC_Skins;859146]So who exactly was he supposed to grab from this magical tree of NFL QBs?[/quote]

The Redskins could have signed a free agent QB like Matt Hassleback. Given the fact that the Bengals drafted Andy Dalton before the Redskins drafted Jarvis Jenkins, the Redskins still had a chance to draft Ryan Mallet.

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Our team is terrible, we can't deny that.. Fortunately there is a light at the end of the tunnel and it's a reason to keep watching.

Look at what we've seen from Helu. This guy has been absolutely dynamic. He currently has 423 all purpose yards in 9 games (7 games where he was actually used). He's a guy that we can ink into our #1 or #2 running back spot next season.

Fred Davis has shown us this year, last year, and even two years ago that he can be a premier tight end. A quarterbacks best friend, a guy who studies tape of Shannon Sharpe, baring his inevitable suspension, we can look forward to some Fred Davis plays for a long time.

Hankerson.. What we saw today was a guy who was going pound for pound with Brandon Marshall as our #1 receiver. I hate the small sample size, but since he's been getting opportunities he's ran with it. I still remember watching him go beastmode on Clemson last year when he was closing in on some big time Miami records. Count me in as a believer, and I'd love for you to explain why I shouldn't be.

Trent, Brown, and Chester are definitely competent enough to be starters on our o-line. We need a big time center, but we'll have to keep trying till we get that player. Brown was a former top 3 tackle in the league, Chester started for the Ravens all of last season including their playoff games. If he works there, he'll certainly do the job here. We all know what we have in Trent, no need to explain.

We're getting a quarterback! It's a no-brainer that we'll have our guy next June when it's draft time. We can judge the front office for going with Beck and Grossman, but it always came down to we didn't have a chance to get the guy last year. Not only will we be getting a quarterback, but Shanahan is the guy who managed to pull that Cutler, Dumervil, Scheffler, Marshall, Hixon, Kuper draft....

Our defense is good enough to win right now, we have a top 15 defense that's playing with a bottom 3 offense.

I don't want any stupid movies Snyder, let Mike draft a quarterback before you pull another classic Skins coaching search.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;859157]The Redskins could have signed a free agent QB like Matt Hassleback. Given the fact that the Bengals drafted Andy Dalton before the Redskins drafted Jarvis Jenkins, the Redskins still had a chance to draft Ryan Mallet.[/quote]

And Mallett would be on IR due to his lack of mobility, just look at Grossman how slow he is, Mallett is even slower.

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Last two games:

Hankerson - 14 targets, 12 catches, 140 yards. 10.0 YPT.

Those are (small sample) number one receiver numbers. That's Mike Wallace territory.

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[quote=IrMitchell;859160]Our team is terrible, we can't deny that.. Fortunately there is a light at the end of the tunnel and it's a reason to keep watching.

Look at what we've seen from Helu. This guy has been absolutely dynamic. He currently has 423 all purpose yards in 9 games (7 games where he was actually used). He's a guy that we can ink into our #1 or #2 running back spot next season.

Fred Davis has shown us this year, last year, and even two years ago that he can be a premier tight end. A quarterbacks best friend, a guy who studies tape of Shannon Sharpe, baring his inevitable suspension, we can look forward to some Fred Davis plays for a long time.

Hankerson.. What we saw today was a guy who was going pound for pound with Brandon Marshall as our #1 receiver. I hate the small sample size, but since he's been getting opportunities he's ran with it. I still remember watching him go beastmode on Clemson last year when he was closing in on some big time Miami records. Count me in as a believer, and I'd love for you to explain why I shouldn't be.

Trent, Brown, and Chester are definitely competent enough to be starters on our o-line. We need a big time center, but we'll have to keep trying till we get that player. Brown was a former top 3 tackle in the league, Chester started for the Ravens all of last season including their playoff games. If he works there, he'll certainly do the job here. We all know what we have in Trent, no need to explain.

We're getting a quarterback! It's a no-brainer that we'll have our guy next June when it's draft time. We can judge the front office for going with Beck and Grossman, but it always came down to we didn't have a chance to get the guy last year. Not only will we be getting a quarterback, but Shanahan is the guy who managed to pull that Cutler, Dumervil, Scheffler, Marshall, Hixon, Kuper draft....

Our defense is good enough to win right now, we have a top 15 defense that's playing with a bottom 3 offense.

I don't want any stupid movies Snyder, let Mike draft a quarterback before you pull another classic Skins coaching search.[/quote]

As already mentioned by Smoot in that thread, Davis and Williams are not just at risk for getting fined, not suspended.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;859170]As already mentioned by Smoot in that thread, Davis and Williams are not just at risk for getting fined, not suspended.[/quote]

Might want to edit that "not" out of your post, since they are just at risk for getting fined, not suspended.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;859157]The Redskins could have signed a free agent QB like Matt Hassleback. Given the fact that the Bengals drafted Andy Dalton before the Redskins drafted Jarvis Jenkins, the Redskins still had a chance to draft Ryan Mallet.[/quote]

What exactly would have been the rationale for signing Hasselbeck?

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[quote=GTripp0012;859168]Last two games:

Hankerson - 14 targets, 12 catches, 140 yards. 10.0 YPT.

Those are (small sample) number one receiver numbers. That's Mike Wallace territory.[/quote]

That would be Brandon Marshall territory! Wallace gets 140 yards with two catches, but I understand the concept haha.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;859170]As already mentioned by Smoot in that thread, Davis and Williams are not just at risk for getting fined, not suspended.[/quote]

That was a VERY small part of my post, oh well.

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[quote=IrMitchell;859174]That would be Brandon Marshall territory! Wallace gets 140 yards with two catches, but I understand the concept haha.[/quote]Brandon Marshall has never, ever been to this territory. But, I must remind myself, in two games, that could happen to anyone. (Just not Marshall.)

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[quote=IrMitchell;859175]That was a VERY small part of my post, oh well.[/quote]

Hey, it's not ES where I can [and was] get temp banned for quoting an long post and responding to a little of it. I can do whatever I want. :D

I agree with your other points though.

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the weird thing is, the skins are primed for a complete beat down of the boys.

rex will continue where he left off today (oddly he played real well)

the D will cont their solid pressure and no big play D but also return one for 6

the surprise play will be a sudden re-surrgence of the run game which will seal the skins win. there is zero reason to think the run game will all of the sudden wake up but it will. if not for "time" sake, it about time man

we are gonna woop up on the boys next week, cant wait!

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lol i thought fireman ed retired, made a whole its too much money thing ... then the jets got good again and he all da sudden deciced to come back?

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[quote=over the mountain;859182]the weird thing is, the skins are primed for a complete beat down of the boys.

rex will continue where he left off today (oddly he played real well)

the D will cont their solid pressure and no big play D but also return one for 6

the surprise play will be a sudden re-surrgence of the run game which will seal the skins win. there is zero reason to think the run game will all of the sudden wake up but it will. if not for "time" sake, it about time man

we are gonna woop up on the boys next week, cant wait![/quote]
Truth.

Boys might be complacent from their blowout this week. We just, just might stun them long enough that we can squeeze out a win. And our run game is good with Helu in. I just hope that Shanahans figure out to NOT give Torain the feature back role next week.

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[quote=over the mountain;859182]the weird thing is, the skins are primed for a complete beat down of the boys.

rex will continue where he left off today (oddly he played real well)

the D will cont their solid pressure and no big play D but also return one for 6

the surprise play will be a sudden re-surrgence of the run game which will seal the skins win. there is zero reason to think the run game will all of the sudden wake up but it will. if not for "time" sake, it about time man

we are gonna woop up on the boys next week, cant wait![/quote]
I love the optimism! But................ I don't see it, Cowboys just KILLED the Bills.

Murray will run all over us.

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[quote=IrMitchell;859187]I love the optimism! But................ I don't see it, Cowboys just KILLED the Bills.

Murray will run all over us.[/quote]

murray still wear walmart. hes at that weird transition in his life where he is trying to go from 4th string to prime time.

walmart dont carry prime time. we carry this kinda furry plush high end brand, but it is no prime time.

murray is going to suffer a 1 week transition set back. he is gonna think he is too good for walmart . . .but he aint, aint nothing wrong with walmart.

i got money on it . ..

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[quote=over the mountain;859198]murray still wear walmart. hes at that weird transition in his life where he is trying to go from 4th string to prime time.

walmart dont carry prime time. we carry this kinda furry plush high end brand, but it is no prime time.

murray is going to suffer a 1 week transition set back. he is gonna think he is too good for walmart . . .but he aint, aint nothing wrong with walmart.

i got money on it . ..[/quote]

Did anyone else have trouble following the analogy here?

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[quote=mbedner3420;859199]Did anyone else have trouble following the analogy here?[/quote]

apparently your not a golfer . . lol

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Team has to strike QB gold in the draft, where ever they draft.

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I suspect otm is drunk again. His pee and weed post was hilarious.

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[quote=NC_Skins;859146]So who exactly was he supposed to grab from this magical tree of NFL QBs?[/quote]

Could have drafted Ponder, Mallet, or maybe even Dalton. Hasslebeck and Palmer were there. A nice deal for Palmer would not have been so bad, although I wouldn't do it if I was a GM. The going to two QBs was also a dumb move, due to the history of both Beck and Grossman. Clemens could have been the one to surprise us all and we let him go.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;859206]Could have drafted Ponder, Mallet, or maybe even Dalton. Hasslebeck and Palmer were there. A nice deal for Palmer would not have been so bad, although I wouldn't do it if I was a GM. The going to two QBs was also a dumb move, due to the history of both Beck and Grossman. Clemens could have been the one to surprise us all and we let him go.[/quote]

And was Clemens claimed by anyone or playing? There's a reason why he was cut, he sucked, he's as bad or worse than what the Redskins currently have. I seriously believe Shanahan has his eye on a QB coming out this year who he likes better than any from last years draft (at least that's what I want to believe).

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[quote=GusFrerotte;859206]Could have drafted Ponder, Mallet, or maybe even Dalton. Hasslebeck and Palmer were there. A nice deal for Palmer would not have been so bad, although I wouldn't do it if I was a GM. The going to two QBs was also a dumb move, due to the history of both Beck and Grossman. Clemens could have been the one to surprise us all and we let him go.[/quote]

Ponder might have worked out for us, but then we don't have Kerrigan, Hankerson, Hurt, and Gomes. Dalton was picked at #35 and has quite the rapport with AJ Green. I guess he would have been alright, but at #16? Ehhh, most people would think Shanahan had lost it with such a reach. Mallett probably could have been taken at #62, which isn't a big reach. But then again, Mallett has been unable to prove anything one way or the other, unlike Dalton and Ponder.

It's not like we got nothing when we passed up on one of the potential quarterbacks. Kerrigan, if he reaches his max potential, is a very valuable piece for a championship team in his own right since we have to handle opposing top tier QBs well. Of course we can't delay QB forever, but the compensation this time, seems pretty good.

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[quote=saden1;859121]All I want to know is what happened to all the vitality and life displayed by this team the first 4 weeks of the season? Did they lose all their confidence? Have they been possessed by some sort of demonic entity? Or is there a hug rift within the coaching staff and/or player ranks?

This team looks dead, I have seen them this feeble and dead since Spurrier days and that's saying a lot give that our last coach was Zorn.[/quote]

This is THE real issue, and there's only one real answer: a vacuum in leadership. This team isn't being coached, motivated, inspired. Period.

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[quote=SmootSmack;859173]What exactly would have been the rationale for signing Hasselbeck?[/quote]

Hassleback has played in a west coast offense before once under Mike Holmgren. He currently has a 90.0 QB rating. Compare how he's playing now to how Rex Grossman and John Beck are playing. Hasselback is also a proven veteran that has guided the Seahawks to the playoffs a few times and went to one Super Bowl.

The Redskins could have signed Matt Hasselback. If Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen signed this guy instead of going along with the comic relief notion that John Beck and Rex Grossman could actually play QB good enough to have a winning record, the Redskins would be at the very least be 5-4 right now. By the way, the Tennessee Titans, the team that Hasselback currently plays for, is 5-4 and very much in the hunt for a AFC wild card birth.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;859217]Hassleback has played in a west coast offense before once under Mike Holmgren. He currently has a 90.0 QB rating. Compare how he's playing now to how Rex Grossman and John Beck are playing. Hasselback is also a proven veteran that has guided the Seahawks to the playoffs a few times and went to one Super Bowl.

The Redskins could have signed Matt Hasselback. If Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen signed this guy instead of going along with the comic relief notion that John Beck and Rex Grossman could actually play QB good enough to have a winning record, the Redskins would be at the very least be 5-4 right now. By the way, the Tennessee Titans, the team that Hasselback currently plays for, is 5-4 and very much in the hunt for a AFC wild card birth.[/quote]

Hasselbeck could have also mentored whoever the next QB would be whereas Rex and the Hobbit obviously aren't anybody you'd want mentoring a younger guy. Actually this is probably the biggest fail in regard to our QB situation...no mentor on the roster so in that regard we still need 2 QBs.

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[quote=The Goat;859225]Hasselbeck could have also mentored whoever the next QB would be whereas Rex and the Hobbit obviously aren't anybody you'd want mentoring a younger guy. [B]Actually this is probably the biggest fail in regard to our QB situation...no mentor on the roster so in that regard we still need 2 QBs.[/B][/quote]

Grossman: "Triple coverage! [B]Sling it[/B]! SLING IT LIKE YOU'VE NEVER SLUNG IT BEFORE!"

Beck: "The Book of Beck states that a checkdown pass to your RB is mandatory on third and long. When you've been preparing for as long as I have to be a starting qb these things come second nature."

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hey, maybe we won't have to trade for luck...

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[quote=mooby;859227]Grossman: "Triple coverage! [B]Sling it[/B]! SLING IT LIKE YOU'VE NEVER SLUNG IT BEFORE!"

Beck: "The Book of Beck states that a checkdown pass to your RB is mandatory on third and long. When you've been preparing for as long as I have to be a starting qb these things come second nature."[/quote]

Thanks for the hearty laugh!! Needed that before bed :)

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[quote=mooby;859227]Grossman: "Triple coverage! [B]Sling it[/B]! SLING IT LIKE YOU'VE NEVER SLUNG IT BEFORE!"

Beck: "The Book of Beck states that a checkdown pass to your RB is mandatory on third and long. When you've been preparing for as long as I have to be a starting qb these things come second nature."[/quote]

Beck is more like this:

"Processing..........Processing..........Processing..........Processing..........Processing..........Processing..........Processing..........Processing..........Processing..........Processing..........Processing..........Processing..........Processing..........Processing..........Processing.........."
(program crashes)
(you restart the program)
"Loading..............Loading..............Loading..............Loading..............Loading..............Loading..............Loading..............Loading..............Loading..............Loading..............Loading..............Loading..............Loading..............Loading..............Loading.............."
(you then proceed to violent things to the computer and destroy the software cd)

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/standings?category=league&season=2011-REG&split=Overall]NFL Standings: League[/url]

Looking at the standings right now and remaining schedules I do think we'll end up with the 2nd or 3rd overall pick, which to a degree sucks because two team(s) picking ahead of us i.e. Colts and possibly Dolphins will draft Luck.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;859206]Could have drafted Ponder, Mallet, or maybe even Dalton. Hasslebeck and Palmer were there. A nice deal for Palmer would not have been so bad, although I wouldn't do it if I was a GM. The going to two QBs was also a dumb move, due to the history of both Beck and Grossman. Clemens could have been the one to surprise us all and we let him go.[/quote]

You want a oft injured mid thirty year old QB behind the OL we currently have?...lol Right now, he's behind a solid offensive line and Chris Johnson in the back field. Notice he wasn't doing diddly squat in Seattle.


Palmer? Are you kidding me? I'm not even going to really address this because it is so ludicrous.


Ponder? Was considered a HUGE reach by the Vikings. Mallet? You serious? Dalton? Picked ahead of us in the 2nd round, and wasn't worthy of a high first round slot based on his evaluation.



So again, what QBs from the magical tree should Shanny have plucked from without mortgaging the future (again) and going for a huge reach just because they are a QB?

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Minus the interior lineman, compare and contrast the 9ers vs Skins....one team has only lost one game! I am slowly leaning to the "Shanny is washed up" side.

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[quote=NC_Skins;859274]You want a oft injured mid thirty year old QB behind the OL we currently have?...lol Right now, he's behind a solid offensive line and Chris Johnson in the back field. Notice he wasn't doing diddly squat in Seattle.


Palmer? Are you kidding me? I'm not even going to really address this because it is so ludicrous.


Ponder? Was considered a HUGE reach by the Vikings. Mallet? You serious? Dalton? Picked ahead of us in the 2nd round, and wasn't worthy of a high first round slot based on his evaluation.



So again, what QBs from the magical tree should Shanny have plucked from without mortgaging the future (again) and going for a huge reach just because they are a QB?[/quote]

As terrible as our QB situation is, I tend to agree with you. I have no real qualms with this draft class as constituted. The only thing I would have liked to have seen in either the 2010 or 2011 draft was picking a developmental QB in rounds 4-7. I don't see any of the late picks we made in those rounds truly being an impact player for us so we could have been developing a QB to be no worse than a backup for the future.

I wasn't wowed by any of the rookie QB coming out other than Newton. Where we picked, I've got no issue passing on Gabbert, we didn't have a chance at Dalton in the 2nd round, there's no indication Mallett will be anything yet and we were smart in building through this draft and adding picks next year rather than trading picks to move up and around for a QB in the late 1st or 2nd.

Neither Beck or Rex will be on the team in 2012, I think we're going to draft a QB in the top 5 next year and add a free agent QB. I kinda wish we had added Matt Lienart in free agency to see if there was anything there but he may just be a lefty Beck.

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[quote=tc2deuce;859277]Minus the interior lineman, compare and contrast the 9ers vs Skins....one team has only lost one game! I am slowly leaning to the "Shanny is washed up" side.[/quote]

Look at the 5 year draft history of the two teams and then re-post. The Niners/Redskins comparison is a poor one. Remember, the Niners were expected to win the NFC West last year but Singletary was such a terrible coach they had no chance. There is a HUGE talent gap between the two teams.

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[quote=The Goat;859241][url=http://www.nfl.com/standings?category=league&season=2011-REG&split=Overall]NFL Standings: League[/url]

Looking at the standings right now and remaining schedules I do think we'll end up with the 2nd or 3rd overall pick, which to a degree sucks because two team(s) picking ahead of us i.e. Colts and possibly Dolphins will draft Luck.[/quote]

Agree. Whats interesting is eveyone is talking about the suck for luck sweepstakes, but Carolina, St. Louis, and Minnesota are in there own race to get Justin Blackmon. The guy is gonna be a stud and maybe the 2nd best overall prospect just behind Luck.

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[quote=Paintrain;859279]Neither Beck or Rex will be on the team in 2012, I think we're going to draft a QB in the top 5 next year and add a free agent QB. I kinda wish we had added Matt Lienart in free agency to see if there was anything there but he may just be a lefty Beck.[/quote]

Matt didn't want to come here. He decided to stay with Houston.

Also, either Beck or Grossman will be on the roster next year. No way Shanny is going to have a roster full of QBs that have 0 experience with the system. Grossman or Beck will start until the rook is ready.

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My bad i had this in the wrong thread.

Kyle S: “Daddy why can’t we win a game”

Daddy S: “Cause I’m a washed up old coach, and I’ve built a pile of crap for a team”.

Kyle S: “Daddy what’s a Mormon ,Moron, and MF’er cause the team keeps calling me and my quarterbacks those names and it makes us mad.”

Daddy S: “Beck is the Mormon, you and Beck are the other two, it’l be ok they’re cool nicknames, I get called those all the time too.”

Kyle S: “Daddy did you see what those Cowboys did the Bills, Daddy we didn’t even score on those guys, I’m skeerd ,what are we gona do”

Daddy S: “Shut the hell up and let me think for a minute, and go get me a Diablo samich and a Dr. Pepper and some hush puppies for Mr. Snyder”

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Hasselbeck would be better than Brecks, but at the same time, it's ultimately up to him where he wants to go. Tennessee gave him a 6 million dollar contract(on average). We might have had to sweeten the pot and offer substantially more money in order to sway him to come here. We certainly would have had to match the length of the contract(3 years), and that might not be too desirable for an aging QB.

Source: [url=http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tennessee-titans/matt-hasselbeck/]Matt Hasselbeck Contract, Salaries, and Transactions[/url]

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;859217]Hassleback has played in a west coast offense before once under Mike Holmgren. He currently has a 90.0 QB rating. Compare how he's playing now to how Rex Grossman and John Beck are playing. Hasselback is also a proven veteran that has guided the Seahawks to the playoffs a few times and went to one Super Bowl.

The Redskins could have signed Matt Hasselback. If Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen signed this guy instead of going along with the comic relief notion that John Beck and Rex Grossman could actually play QB good enough to have a winning record, the Redskins would be at the very least be 5-4 right now. By the way, the Tennessee Titans, the team that Hasselback currently plays for, is 5-4 and very much in the hunt for a AFC wild card birth.[/quote]

I like Hasselbeck, but I don't see how adding a 36 year old QB to this team makes sense. Only if Rex had gone elsewhere, I suppose. Maybe we sign Hasselbeck and we don't add young linemen in Chester and Bowen? Does that really help us?

I mean I think the problem is you're talking about how we'd do this year. Sure we'd be 5-4 maybe. But so what? Is that what we're aiming for. Another .500 record with a QB on his last legs? Titans have Locker (heck even Rusty Smith) on the roster behind Hasselbeck. So in a year or two when Hasselbeck is ready to hang up his cleats they have QBs ready. We don't. So yeah we could have added Hasselbeck for a quick fix, but that doesn't really solve our problem.