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[quote=SFREDSKIN;862036]Ok, so I was exaggerating on cutting him instead of trading him, I'm just so sick of this guy. [B]By the way, Fred Smoot was a 2nd rounder, Brandon Flowers,[/B] etc.[/quote]

Smoot was a 1st round talent at Miss. St but fell in the draft due to marijuana in a drug test. Flowers was a top cb in his class until he ran 4.6 at the combine. Smoot was a solid corner when at this best. He played lights out in 2004. His last couple years he was a nickel at best.

I agree w/I think it was Dirtbagg or Slingin Sammy that said CBs are rarely busts when drafted high & they are rarely found in later rounds. One example of an exception is the dude that plays for GB, he was undrafted out of Miami.

Usually though, it does seem like mid rounders like Barnes end up being nickel/dime & spec teams guys. That may just be the importance that teams are putting on it & drafting the best DBs early.

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[quote=Bucket;862048]Yeah and D Hall is our starter.... See what I did there?

Winner lol[/quote]

I take Smoot over Hall any day he could cover and tackle, he went downhill after his Minnesota stint.

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I would take Hall over Smoot.. Smoot went downhill before Minnesota.. He had one solid year in 04

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[quote=Bucket;862051]I would take Hall over Smoot.. Smoot went downhill before Minnesota.. He had one solid year in 04[/quote]

Can Hall bowl like Smoot? :)

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;861986]Truthfully, it wasn't Gano who lost the game for the Redskins. It was the defense. The defense allowed Tony Romo to scorch them repeatedly. #9 is a very good QB, but there's no reason why this defense couldn't contain the Cowboys receivers. How do you let Jason Witten, arguably the best TE in the NFL, to get that wide open and outrun your defense for a 59 TD?

Yes, Gano definitely should have made that 49 yard FG. 49 yards out is within the range of every place kicker in the NFL. But it was the defense who couldn't defend after the offense did its part against Dallas.[/quote]


Unbelievable....excuses for THE WORST KICKER IN THE NFL!!!!

how can this keep happening. Romo is a good QB. Our D held him in check for the most part of the day. They scored that early TD and they had several possessions where they didn't do anything. You can't keep him under wraps all game. Fact is Gano missed two field goals that would have won the game. TWO FIELD GOALS. Yes, one was 52 but the other was 40something... That should be virtually automatic for NFL kickers if they are halfway decent.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;861982]I'm a Gano supporter, yeah I'm pissed he missed 2 field goals. You are not going to find anyone better, good luck.[/quote]


Not anyone better??? really...well lets say this...you find anyone worse in the NFL than Gano

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[quote=#56fanatic;862056]Not anyone better??? really...well lets say this...you find anyone worse in the NFL than Gano[/quote]

You watch, cut Gano and he will be the next Akers.

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[quote=SmootSmack;861780]A lot of people were very quiet while Gano's been making these 50+ yard field goals[/quote]


point is when the guys steps up from 35 to 45 it is like 50-50 shot he's going to make it. I just dont understand how so many people make excuses for him... It really baffles me. He is the worst kicker in the NFL two years running. He has missed more FG this year than any kicker in the NFL. Kicking a 40 - 45 yard field goal shouldn't be as nailbiting as it is when he kicks. I just know he is going to miss it everytime he kicks it. WHen he makes it I am blown away... shouldn't it be the other way around.

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[quote=#56fanatic;862054]Unbelievable....excuses for THE WORST KICKER IN THE NFL!!!!

how can this keep happening. Romo is a good QB. Our D held him in check for the most part of the day. They scored that early TD and they had several possessions where they didn't do anything. You can't keep him under wraps all game. Fact is Gano missed two field goals that would have won the game. TWO FIELD GOALS. Yes, one was 52 but the other was 40something... That should be virtually automatic for NFL kickers if they are halfway decent.[/quote]

While 52 and 49 yard FG aren't gimmes, I agree that he needs to hit those. If one of his strengths is his leg and long distance range, he needs to be consistent from there. I'd rather have a guy who is a lock from inside 50 with limited distance than a scattershot leg like Gano all over the field with power from 59.

To quote Rich Eisen, you can't spell Gano without Gah-NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Cowboys at Redskins)
 

Complaining about the kicker kinda feels like complaining about the refs to me.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Cowboys at Redskins)
 

[quote=Mattyk;862064]Complaining about the kicker kinda feels like complaining about the refs to me.[/quote]

They suck too. :)

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[quote=Mattyk;862064]Complaining about the kicker kinda feels like complaining about the refs to me.[/quote]


I dont think so at all. I was just looking up Gano's stats. He is a career 69% kicker. That is dead last in the NFL over the last 3 years. The closest to him is 73%. We can't find a kicker that would be in the top 20 - 25 in the NFL. THey are around 80%. He is directly affecting outcomes of close games. This one we should have won, the game in Dallas he cost us as well missing a field goal. That is two games that if he makes kicks we are 5-5 vs 3-7.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;862057]You watch, cut Gano and he will be the next Akers.[/quote]

He's got a little longer of a rope cause he's got a big leg but at some point he's gotta start making clutch kicks.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Cowboys at Redskins)
 

Or maybe if we could just score more TDs rather than having to rely on a 52 yarder to win...

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[quote=Mattyk;862064]Complaining about the kicker kinda feels like complaining about the refs to me.[/quote]

Can't even compare the two cause the kicker either makes it or he doesn't. If you saw the replay of the Robinson TD Orakpo was held and was almost horse collared but they didn't call it.

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I didn't read all of the pages but is it sacrelige to give a smackdown to Orakpo? Anyone else tired of seeing him just do bull rush after bull rush and either getting pushed inside or past the QB? He's really starting to give me the impressions that he's very good, not great and far from elite. I can't think of any game changing plays he's made for us. .5 sacks in all of his career games vs. division opponents? I want to see more from him than I've been seeing.

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[quote=Mattyk;862073]Or maybe if we could just score more TDs rather than having to rely on a 52 yarder to win...[/quote]


Yep a 52 yard FG is anything but certain. How about we get a little closer next time so that the kicker has a very high percentage kick to make.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Cowboys at Redskins)
 

I find it kinda odd that Kerrigan and Rak's numbers are very similar across the board. So Kerrigan is ballin' yet Rak isn't?

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[quote=Mattyk;862080]I find it kinda odd that Kerrigan and Rak's numbers are very similar across the board. So Kerrigan is ballin' yet Rak isn't?[/quote]

Rak isn't terrible but he's not a game changer and that's what we need. It's about going to the next level. Plus a comparison to a rookie isn't really what we're looking for in year three, is it? Shouldn't his peers be Ware, Matthews, Allen, etc. not a rookie on a 3-7 team?

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I just think we're focusing on the wrong things if we're picking apart Rak's game. We've got bigger problems that need to be addressed.

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[quote=Mattyk;862084]I just think we're focusing on the wrong things if we're picking apart Rak's game. We've got bigger problems that need to be addressed.[/quote]

While I would want Rak to have the impact that Matthews or Ware have on their respective teams, if you shut down either of these guys (Matthews/Ware) that team has almost no pass rush. Just look at the game against the Packers last year when Matthews got hurt and we ended up winning (either last year or the year before last, can't remember which one). I think right now we are at a position where if you shut down Rak, Kerrigan steps in (and vice versa).

I'd like to think of our situation more like Harrison and Woodley in Pittsburgh. While I would like for Rak to step up his game, right now there isn't anything ont he defense that I would put as a priority over the improvements needed on offense.

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[quote=Ruhskins;862089]While I would want Rak to have the impact that Matthews or Ware have on their respective teams, if you shut down either of these guys (Matthews/Ware) that team has almost no pass rush. Just look at the game against the Packers last year when Matthews got hurt and we ended up winning (either last year or the year before last, can't remember which one). I think right now we are at a position where if you shut down Rak, Kerrigan steps in (and vice versa).

I'd like to think of our situation more like Harrison and Woodley in Pittsburgh. While I would like for Rak to step up his game, right now there isn't anything ont he defense that I would put as a priority over the improvements needed on offense.[/quote]

I agree, we're in a good spot. We have 2 guys capable of recording 10+ sacks each per season for years to come. You won't find me complaining.

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[quote=SmootSmack;862028]Makes no sense to just cut Hall. As frustrating as he is, he is our best CB. So if anything, you see if you can trade him for anything but to just outright cut him makes no sense[/quote]Josh Wilson is our best corner, wouldn't you think? I realize that there's a difference in competition faced because the defensive coaches have been hesitant to leave Wilson on an island with the opponents top receivers, but when given the opportunity, Wilson hasn't done any worse and actually has a couple of key pass breakups.

I realize that Josh Wilson doesn't solve the cornerback situation all by himself and he isn't Carlos Rogers, but if you are going to match-up with the opponent, he's the best cover guy on the roster, correct?

I'm actually excited to see more of Byron Westbrook on defense. I know he's made his mark on special teams, but he's a surprisingly good cover guy in limited reps. And he tackles well. I'm not expecting him to be the next Champ Bailey, but Westbrook has earned his reps.

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Stephen Bowen, Kedric Golston, and Adam Carriker have combined for 11 sacks this year. How many times do those guys beat the OL cleanly and get to the QB? Never.

It's the Orakpo/Kerrigan rush effect that's creating those opportunities.

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Hall is better then Wilson in some aspects, and not in others..If only we could combine the two into one person!!!!

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[quote=Mattyk;862080]I find it kinda odd that Kerrigan and Rak's numbers are very similar across the board. So Kerrigan is ballin' yet Rak isn't?[/quote]


**** you and your logic pal!! LET US HATTERS HAT!!

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[quote=Bucket;862100]Hall is better then Wilson in some aspects, and not in others..If only we could combine the two into one person!!!![/quote]

I hate the inconsistency of our secondary play, but in comparison to the issues in the offense, this only becomes a nuisance. I would bet money that if Hall wasn't involved in this discussion (i.e. he wasn't on our roster), people wouldn't be complaining much about the secondary.

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[quote=Bucket;862017]This just proves that you are a D.Hall "hatter"

Didn't run Whitten down when he had a 15 yard head start and basically out ran the other two guys who were closer to Whitten?

Didn't stop Murray when Murray already had the first down? Oh, you mean the CB didn't smash the RB in the face stone cold? The 230lbs running back? I get it now. The defensive line is suppose to clog the holes so the CB's can tackle the RB, not the LB's right? That's how the 3-4 works!!! Man, I was so wrong.

D. Hall was expecting Safety help with the TD... If you watch the film you will notice that Romo looks to the middle of the field which causes Otagwe to stutter and wasn't able to give the help over top. Although, Hall should of done a better job in coverage because he did have to do a speed turn instead of keeping his body square...

The 3rd and 15 play was just a good play by Romo.. Hall had Dez covered and then Romo extended the play and allowed Dez to get open.. Romo was in the backfield with the ball for almost 5 seconds. I'm sorry, but no CB in the league is going to cover Dez Bryant for 5 seconds..

Hall is not an Elite CB by any means, but all of you blaming him for some of these things is totally absurd. He made some great plays yesterday too... I don't see a "I hate Fletcher" post when he forced that fumble yesterday and started celebrating instead of going for the recovery. Shit happens.

Dez Bryant is a stud and he's going to be catching footballs against us for another decade so get used to it. He's caught passes against Revis, and many others this year for long yards and TD's...[/quote]


Never did I say the Redskins should cut DeAngelo Hall. For the record, they would be crazy to cut him because he is, in fact, the best CB they have.

I do not "hat" - - or hate - - DeAngelo Hall any more than I "hat" the guy at the local Starbucks who takes my order. "Hatting" is reserved for people that I personally know are evil or for people I do not kno who do really heinous things like molest children.

You can defend Hall's play yesterday; he was the best CB the Skins had on the field. The fact is that the important plays that I outlined in my post all involved him and all involved him being unsuccessful. That fact does not change even if you go and watch the game a second or a third time.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;862107]Never did I say the Redskins should cut DeAngelo Hall. For the record, they would be crazy to cut him because he is, in fact, the best CB they have.

I do not "hat" - - or hate - - DeAngelo Hall any more than I "hat" the guy at the local Starbucks who takes my order. "Hatting" is reserved for people that I personally know are evil or for people I do not kno who do really heinous things like molest children.

You can defend Hall's play yesterday; he was the best CB the Skins had on the field. The fact is that the important plays that I outlined in my post all involved him and all involved him being unsuccessful. That fact does not change even if you go and watch the game a second or a third time.[/quote]

I think you made some good points, although I think EVERYONE f*cked up in that Witten TD. And you are giving Hall a lot of credit, there was no way in hell he or any DB stops Witten.

My only issue with the Hall criticism is that:

a.) People act like he is the only thing wrong with the team (a.k.a. the Jason Campbell effect)

b.) A lot of the people that complain about him, do so because they don't "like" him (which is pretty childish if you ask me)

As I've said before, any issue with the defense is minor compared to the leaps and bounds that this team has to do on to fix the offense. Even yesterday when the offense played well, they still were very inept during the first quarter and failed miserably at putting the team in a better position to kick the field goal in OT.

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[quote=Ruhskins;862113]I think you made some good points, although I think EVERYONE f*cked up in that Witten TD. And you are giving Hall a lot of credit, there was no way in hell he or any DB stops Witten.

My only issue with the Hall criticism is that:

a.) People act like he is the only thing wrong with the team (a.k.a. the Jason Campbell effect)

b.) A lot of the people that complain about him, do so because they don't "like" him (which is pretty childish if you ask me)

As I've said before, any issue with the defense is minor compared to the leaps and bounds that this team has to do on to fix the offense. Even yesterday when the offense played well, they still were very inept during the first quarter and failed miserably at putting the team in a better position to kick the field goal in OT.[/quote]

I've gone from the Hall camp to being very anti-Hall.. His technique is AWFUL. How many times have we seen him spun around completely by a single move? Philly game, Miami game, Dallas game off the top of my head he was turned around on a simple out move. On the Bryant TD, he jumped a route on a poorly run route and no pump fake, getting himself out of position to make a play on the ball and made for an easy TD pass.

He's got some serious technique issues he needs to correct in a hurry. No he's not to blame for all of our woes but for a playmaker, a captain and one who is our 'best' CB, he is failing miserably in 2011.

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[quote=Paintrain;862118]I've gone from the Hall camp to being very anti-Hall.. His technique is AWFUL. How many times have we seen him spun around completely by a single move? Philly game, Miami game, Dallas game off the top of my head he was turned around on a simple out move. On the Bryant TD, he jumped a route on a poorly run route and no pump fake, getting himself out of position to make a play on the ball and made for an easy TD pass.

He's got some serious technique issues he needs to correct in a hurry. No he's not to blame for all of our woes but for a playmaker, a captain and one who is our 'best' CB, he is failing miserably in 2011.[/quote]

I've never been in the Hall camp. I've always seen him as a CB with a lot of flaws, a high-risk/high-reward, although he hasn't even been that this year.

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[quote=NC_Skins;862101]**** you and your logic pal!! LET US HATTERS HAT!![/quote]

So-called "stats"--they are better described as data logs--are hardly comprehensive. Hence, using them to prove absolutes rather than as a mere guide is rather...naive unless you don't have any other evidence to go by. So keep on hatting!!!! :D

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[YT][ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w2LQced-vE[/ame][/YT]
So, my memory has been triggered and I realized that the Texans won because our choking kicker kicked a beauty WIDE RIGHT last year and cost us 7-9 record (and a sexy trade down in the draft). Same spot. Same situation. Only thing different is that Gano wasn't iced by those 'Boys.

**** Gano. Two wins down the ****ing toilet because of him(yes, I know about the draft position, yes, I'm happy with Kerrigan. But I can't help myself). And if and when our team does get better and we're duking out a tough battle in which the score is just as close, do you really want to trot the punk loser out there? He's got a very generous extended audition to be a franchise kicker, and he's proven only that he's a Suisham with a bigger leg. The only thing he's helped us with is getting a potential franchise pass rusher and a potential franchise QB.

Thank goodness you're not serious SCP

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[quote=SmootSmack;862136]Thank goodness you're not serious SCP[/quote]

Ummm, I'm not quite sure what exactly I'm not serious about?

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[quote=Ruhskins;862113]I think you made some good points, although I think EVERYONE f*cked up in that Witten TD. And you are giving Hall a lot of credit, there was no way in hell he or any DB stops Witten.

My only issue with the Hall criticism is that:

a.) People act like he is the only thing wrong with the team (a.k.a. the Jason Campbell effect)

[B]b.) A lot of the people that complain about him, do so because they don't "like" him (which is pretty childish if you ask me)[/B]

As I've said before, any issue with the defense is minor compared to the leaps and bounds that this team has to do on to fix the offense. Even yesterday when the offense played well, they still were very inept during the first quarter and failed miserably at putting the team in a better position to kick the field goal in OT.[/quote]

And why don't people like him? Cause he can't stop running his damn mouth. He's always talking smack to other players, to coaches to whom ever will listen to his sorry ass. The reality is he just needs to STFU cause his game can't back up his mouth. That's why fans don't like him. Nothing chilldish about that.

Oh I see. So I guess you forgot about Gano's 3 GW field goals in OT last year. At least two of which were just under 50 yards long.

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[quote=Mattyk;862084]I just think we're focusing on the wrong things if we're picking apart Rak's game. We've got bigger problems that need to be addressed.[/quote]

If he's going to be a top pass rusher then he's gotta do it in the big games. If he can sack Romo once or twice then maybe the games's over.

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[quote=Mattyk;862073]Or maybe if we could just score more TDs rather than having to rely on a 52 yarder to win...[/quote]

True.