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[quote=itvnetop;865787]You guys know what's scary? There are much harder recreational drugs out there that leave your system much faster than weed. I know people in the military that absolutely stay away from weed because of the random pop tests, but will roll (E) their asses off on a Saturday night. You don't think NFL players know that yay leaves their system in a day or two?

[B]But fans only care when the punishments affect their team. Nobody really gives a hoot if one our of players are going Tony Montana one evening.[/B].. because chances are, we're never going to find out.[/quote]

What....exactly do you base that statement on?

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[quote=elamin24;865542]anyone have these guys twitter accounts or facebook? I feel like getting a few choice words off my chest and into theirs.[/quote]

Freddy D has an active twitter account. He hasn't tweeted since the suspension came down though. This shit happens on every team. These guys were super careless and didn't give a shit about getting tested. Bottom line. Redskins having been getting high for as long as I've been following the team as a kid. And I have direct knowledge of some of the old school dudes getting high on a regular under Gibbs. But whatever.

I think this all goes with a culture of losing, quite frankly. When you're losing you simply care less. When you're winning your attitude is different and you're more focused. I suppose they go hand in hand.

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[quote=Hog1;865795]What....exactly do you base that statement on?[/quote]

I base the statement on the fact that as long as players are producing on the field, fans (including myself) don't really give a hoot what they do on their own time... as long as it's not hurting anyone else. How much "partying" hurts themselves is semantics. It only becomes an issue with fans when players get caught and then reprimanded (thereby affecting the team and its potential weakness caused by punishment).

Out of sight, out of mind for most sports fans. When LT was racking up sacks, how many Giants' fans knew that the only thing he thought about in the huddle was his next crack hit? How many even cared? It didn't really come out until later. Out of sight, out of mind.

Professional athletes live lives that the average person will never come close to comprehending. We sit here and say, "Follow the rules... it's simple. Don't screw up." Throw a bunch of money, beautiful woman and an entourage of sycophants toward a young 20 something and human nature may change anyone.

Then it becomes "What can I get away with" vs. "What do I know will get me in trouble?" My original point stands that harder drugs are much more difficult to catch in a random drug test. The league's policy has a list of banned substances, including recreational drugs. The least harmful (marijuana) is easy to catch. You're basically saying, "If you're going to party, do it smart... do blow or ecstasy because you won't get caught." And that's a much more harmful proposition, imo.

This is going out on a limb here (wayyyy out)- But as an analogy: We tell kids the only way to protect themselves from an STD or an unwanted pregnancy is abstinence. Do kids really listen to that? Nope- we should be teaching them safer sex habits... Abstinence flies in the face of teen curiosity.

Many professional athletes are going to party... it's a given. Do we want some of them moving away from weed to Class 1 drugs b/c the latter won't get you popped? Baron Davis said that the NBA would cease to exist if the league tested for marijuana. I don't remember the specific percentage, but it was close to half I think.

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[quote=itvnetop;865798]I base the statement on the fact that as long as players are producing on the field, fans (including myself) don't really give a hoot what they do on their own time... as long as it's not hurting anyone else. How much "partying" hurts themselves is semantics. It only becomes an issue with fans when players get caught and then reprimanded (thereby affecting the team and its potential weakness caused by punishment).

Out of sight, out of mind for most sports fans. When LT was racking up sacks, how many Giants' fans knew that the only thing he thought about in the huddle was his next crack hit? How many even cared because it was really never public until later?

Professional athletes live lives that the average person can't come close to comprehending. We sit here and say, "Follow the rules... it's simple. Don't screw up." Throw a bunch of money, beautiful woman and an entourage of sycophants towards a young 20 something and human nature may change anyone.

Then it becomes "What can I get away with" vs. "What do I know will get me in trouble?" My original point stands that harder drugs are much more difficult to catch in a random drug test. The league's policy has a list of banned substances, including recreational drugs. The least harmful (marijuana) is easy to catch. Your basically saying, "If you're going to party, do it smart... do blow or ecstasy because you won't get caught." And that's a much more harmful proposition, imo.

This is going out on a limb here (wayyyy out)- But as an analogy: We tell kids the only way to protect themselves from an STD or an unwanted pregnancy is abstinence. Do kids really listen to that? Nope- we should be teaching them safer sex habits... Abstinence flies in the face of teen curiosity.

Many professional athletes are going to party... it's a given. Do we want some of them moving away from weed to Class 1 drugs b/c the latter won't get you popped? Baron Davis is said that the NBA would cease to exist if the league tested for marijuana. I don't remember the specific percentage, but it was over half I think.[/quote]

This 1000 times. Good post.

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Two things:
1) All this....stuff is your opinion and may be shared by other people...or not. Certainly not based in any fact as you imply.
2) As far as THIS fan is concerned, anybody on our team that spends all their time loaded and trying to figure out how to beat the system...can walk today. I have no further use for you.
[B]Note:[/B] you mention it several times.....the fans are not aware and do not know in general what goes on. I would imagine most care and actually have a sense of moral integrity....That may be the disconnect

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This thread is a fine example of the halo effect in action.

Definition: [QUOTE]When we consider a person good (or bad) in one category, we are likely to make a similar evaluation in other categories.

It is as if we cannot easily separate categories. It may also be connected with dissonance avoidance, as making them good at one thing and bad at another would make an overall evaluation (which we do anyway) difficult.[/QUOTE]

This post is meant to be just an FYI.

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[quote=itvnetop;865798]Professional athletes live lives that the average person will never come close to comprehending. We sit here and say, "Follow the rules... it's simple. Don't screw up." Throw a bunch of money, beautiful woman and an entourage of sycophants toward a young 20 something and human nature may change anyone. [/quote]

[quote=12thMan;865797]I think this all goes with a culture of losing, quite frankly. When you're losing you simply care less. When you're winning your attitude is different and you're more focused. I suppose they go hand in hand.[/quote]

Great, insightful posts. Glad to part of an informed discussion.

Here are my thoughts:

1) ATHLETES WILL PARTY. Most of us here went to parties in college / early 20's. Now infuse $1 million dollars, 6 months vacation per year, and unlimited ladies. Almost ALL of us would be partying - perhaps not exactly like these guys. Why does everyone always find it suprising they party hard... I say as long as it doesn't interfere on the field, it's fine.

2) MARIJUANA IS NOT DANGEROUS. Why do does the NFL even test for it? It's certainly not performance enhancing. It's being approved all over the nation, and [URL="http://somd.com/news/headlines/2011/14666.shtml"]they're debating approval in Maryland[/URL] this week. Obama's admitted to all sorts of [URL="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/12/politics/uwire/main3823725.shtml"]substance abuse[/URL] in the past.

3) DAVIS / TW WERE BONEHEADS. Still, despite #1 and #2 above, they were idiots. Not so much the fact they did MJ. The thing was they did it REPEATEDLY, knowing they were already caught before, and knowing the consequences. Remember, even [URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Report-Santana-Moss-linked-to-doctor-in-HGH-pro?urn=nfl-242514"]Santana Moss was linked to substances[/URL] -- which I think was [U]more serious[/U], because they were performance enhancing (ie. cheating) - but at least he wasn't dumb enough to get caught again.

4) WE'RE A LOSING TEAM. This leads to 12th Man's critical point above -- this would only happen on a losing team. If Clay Matthews was caught & suspended for steroids --> he'd let whole team down & kill the perfect season. There's a lot more pressure on him vs. TW/Davis. Losing begets apathy.



Again, the evil thought keeps creeping up -- the thought no one wants to admit having and that kills the team spirit/soul.... I have to admit my first reaction was "at least we may get a better draft pick..."

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I've always said These guys don't pay my bills and will never (most likely) have any impact on my personal life so I don't care what they do off the field

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[quote=Hog1;865800]Two things:
1) All this....stuff is your opinion and may be shared by other people...or not. Certainly not based in any fact as you imply.
2) As far as THIS fan is concerned, anybody on our team that spends all their time loaded and trying to figure out how to beat the system...can walk today. I have no further use for you.
[B]Note:[/B] you mention it several times.....the fans are not aware and do not know in general what goes on. I would imagine most care and actually have a sense of [B]moral integrity[/B]....That may be the disconnect[/quote]

You're my homie Hog, but smoking weed is immoral? I certainly know a lot of well rounded stoners, in fact I'm dating one. Goes to church, works full time, in college, just likes to hit the j from time to time.

I just don't see smoking up as some sort of moral breakdown. Is it against the law and the NFL's policy? Yeah. Which means these guys shouldn't of been doing it.

Does this mean that they're some sort of amoral, soul less creatures? No. Like I had said in an earlier post, they aren't going Plaxico Burress, Mike Vick, Ray Carruth, Ray Lewis (okay well. they said he was innocent. but whatever) or Pacman Jones on anyone. Davis and T. Williams simply some young guys that can't get their heads on straight. They've had their 3 strikes, its time for someone to take these guys aside and figure out what the hell is going on in their head.

Again, since they are professional athletes in the NFL, they need to lay off the pot and I stand behind this punishment. But if they can't shake this weed thing on their own, they need to seek some direction under the wing of a veteran, a coach, someone in the front office, anyone needs to extend their help to these guys before they end up going the way of Ricky Williams.

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I don't smoke weed but I Agree with Rave, just because you may smoke here and there doesn't mean your a bad dude.. In fact Trent doesn't surprise me, most of the players in this town (OU) are around it all the time.. Is what it is, Weed will always be around and people you wouldn't think do it sometimes will. I'd be willing to bet many and i mean most of the roster of this team has or does smoke pot.

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To me morality has nothing to do with this situation. I personally think it's a joke that marijuana is illegal yet alcohol isn't. I have no qualms with marijuana at all, really.

However, it is in fact illegal and has been for a long time. I certainly don't think Fred Davis and Trent Williams are bad people (by most accounts I've heard, they're both actually pretty good guys), but I do think they are both really stupid for testing positive not once, not twice, but three times. They are both very young, but in a position where they are either earning (Trent) or capable of earning (Fred) tens of millions of dollars. Plus they have lots of other guys counting on them.

For me, it's not that we're dealing with bad or immoral guys, just a couple of idiots that need to screw their heads on properly. Just don't smoke weed, fellas. It's really selfish and extremely dumb.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;865811]You're my homie Hog, but smoking weed is immoral? I certainly know a lot of well rounded stoners, in fact I'm dating one. Goes to church, works full time, in college, just likes to hit the j from time to time.

I just don't see smoking up as some sort of moral breakdown. Is it against the law and the NFL's policy? Yeah. Which means these guys shouldn't of been doing it.

Does this mean that they're some sort of amoral, soul less creatures? No. Like I had said in an earlier post, they aren't going Plaxico Burress, Mike Vick, Ray Carruth, Ray Lewis (okay well. they said he was innocent. but whatever) or Pacman Jones on anyone. Davis and T. Williams simply some young guys that can't get their heads on straight. They've had their 3 strikes, its time for someone to take these guys aside and figure out what the hell is going on in their head.

Again, since they are professional athletes in the NFL, they need to lay off the pot and I stand behind this punishment. But if they can't shake this weed thing on their own, they need to seek some direction under the wing of a veteran, a coach, someone in the front office, anyone needs to extend their help to these guys before they end up going the way of Ricky Williams.[/quote]

As always D, the voice of reason cuts clean.
That part of my note was intended that "fans" care but are unaware of much of this stuff that gets the guys in trouble. That if they knew they would not be happy about it and not just when the S... hits the fan. Mostly it stays in house or at least not generally known to the public?
Obviously a fail on that point...AND I did not intend to defame or besmirch anyone for the occasional....smoke. I have no problem with any of that except for disturbing number of Taco Bell benders involved. Been down a few roads myself.
However....I fully meant that if they can't get with the program......get gone.
For better or worse, there is just way to much riding on them to suffer the questionable decision making of youth.
As was pointed out, they are fortunate indeed it was not a year....

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[quote=Hog1;865817]As always D, the voice of reason cuts clean.
That part of my note was intended that "fans" care but are unaware of much of this stuff that gets the guys in trouble. That if they knew they would not be happy about it and not just when the S... hits the fan. Mostly it stays in house or at least not generally known to the public?
Obviously a fail on that point...AND I did not intend to defame or besmirch anyone for the occasional....smoke. I have no problem with any of that except for disturbing number of Taco Bell benders involved. Been down a few roads myself.
However....I fully meant that if they can't get with the program......get gone.
For better or worse, there is just way to much riding on them to suffer the questionable decision making of youth.
As was pointed out, they are fortunate indeed it was not a year....[/quote]

I understand what you're saying.

And I agree. :)

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Puff, puff, pass...

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As I've always said. Smoking pot should be illegal. Vaporizing or eating pot on the other hand should be legal. Not that I use it but it's kind of hard to take people preaching all the health benefits of pot seriously when they're smoking it.

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Marijuana is bad, ummmkay. If you smoke marijuana, you're bad, ummmkay.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;865834]As I've always said. [B]Smoking pot should be illegal. Vaporizing or eating pot on the other hand should be legal.[/B] Not that I use it but it's kind of hard to take people preaching all the health benefits of pot seriously when they're smoking it.[/quote]

I'll open Pandora's Box and ask... What's the difference?

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[quote=DynamiteRave;865836]I'll open Pandora's Box and ask... What's the difference?[/quote]

The smell. The stench of living next to someone that totes up regularly is unbearable if you're not a user. Vaporizers and baked goods (assuming they're cooked below a certain temperature) produce little or no odor. Plus less cancer lower health care cost, environmentally friendly, saves money for the smoker blah blah blah. Basically it's a win-win. Neighbors don't have to smell it and pot heads can enjoy their product.

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It's hard to stick up for two guys that smoke pot who make good money to play football. Especially when they're still considered underachievers. We're not talking about Jonathan Ogden and Tony Gonzales mind you. Potheads are typically 'slackers'. If you're a pothead and disagree that's understandable, you're high and/or in denial like most "users". How many potheads do you want working for you?

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Okay who's worse. The two guys that failed a drug test 3 times or the guy that got into a car crash during a two game suspension then lied to police about certain details.

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Passengers-Ndamukong-Suh-lied-about-car-acciden?urn=nfl-wp13295]Passengers: Ndamukong Suh lied about car accident - Shutdown Corner - NFL Blog - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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[quote=Dirtbag59;865839]Okay who's worse. The two guys that failed a drug test 3 times or the guy that got into a car crash during a two game suspension then lied to police about certain details.

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Passengers-Ndamukong-Suh-lied-about-car-acciden?urn=nfl-wp13295]Passengers: Ndamukong Suh lied about car accident - Shutdown Corner - NFL*Blog - Yahoo! Sports[/url][/quote]

Ndamakong Sue(d)

[QUOTE=Dirtbag59;865839]Okay who's worse. The two guys that failed a drug test 3 times or the guy that got into a car crash during a two game suspension then lied to police about certain details.

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Passengers-Ndamukong-Suh-lied-about-car-acciden?urn=nfl-wp13295]Passengers: Ndamukong Suh lied about car accident - Shutdown Corner - NFL*Blog - Yahoo! Sports[/url][/QUOTE]

Im with you on a moral level. But from an nfl perspective, I don't care.

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[quote=ethat001;865809]Great, insightful posts. Glad to part of an informed discussion.

Here are my thoughts:

1) ATHLETES WILL PARTY. Most of us here went to parties in college / early 20's. Now infuse $1 million dollars, 6 months vacation per year, and unlimited ladies. Almost ALL of us would be partying - perhaps not exactly like these guys. Why does everyone always find it suprising they party hard... I say as long as it doesn't interfere on the field, it's fine.

2) MARIJUANA IS NOT DANGEROUS. Why do does the NFL even test for it? It's certainly not performance enhancing. It's being approved all over the nation, and [URL="http://somd.com/news/headlines/2011/14666.shtml"]they're debating approval in Maryland[/URL] this week. Obama's admitted to all sorts of [URL="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/12/politics/uwire/main3823725.shtml"]substance abuse[/URL] in the past.

3) DAVIS / TW WERE BONEHEADS. Still, despite #1 and #2 above, they were idiots. Not so much the fact they did MJ. The thing was they did it REPEATEDLY, knowing they were already caught before, and knowing the consequences. Remember, even [URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Report-Santana-Moss-linked-to-doctor-in-HGH-pro?urn=nfl-242514"]Santana Moss was linked to substances[/URL] -- which I think was [U]more serious[/U], because they were performance enhancing (ie. cheating) - but at least he wasn't dumb enough to get caught again.

4) WE'RE A LOSING TEAM. This leads to 12th Man's critical point above -- this would only happen on a losing team. If Clay Matthews was caught & suspended for steroids --> he'd let whole team down & kill the perfect season. There's a lot more pressure on him vs. TW/Davis. Losing begets apathy.



Again, the evil thought keeps creeping up -- the thought no one wants to admit having and that kills the team spirit/soul.... I have to admit my first reaction was "at least we may get a better draft pick..."[/quote]

The Redskins are irrelevant in the national pro football scene and are in the bottom 5 of teams over the past 10 years. This kind of losing creates the atmosphere for this to happen. This might be going on on every team but it seems only the Redskins are facing these kind of suspensions. The once great Redskin organization which has been down looks worse now (and I didnt think that was possible). Its a shame.

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[quote=irish;865847]The Redskins are irrelevant in the national pro football scene and are in the bottom 5 of teams over the past 10 years. This kind of losing creates the atmosphere for this to happen. This might be going on on every team but it seems only the Redskins are facing these kind of suspensions. The once great Redskin organization which has been down looks worse now (and I didnt think that was possible). Its a shame.[/quote]

Are you saying the Redskins are the new Bengals? ;) Maybe Fred and Trent were shipping those Lbs. to the Cincy WR.

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I'm sure no one realized this, but this is receiving yards by a TE:

1. Jimmy Graham 1,046 yards
2. Rob Gronkowski 928 yards
3. Fred Davis 796 yards

For all the publicity that Jimmy Graham is getting, I think he's a lot like Fred Davis except that the Saints use him a lot more creatively. Gronkowski is just a different breed entirely, best TE in the league right now.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;865854]Are you saying the Redskins are the new Bengals? ;) Maybe Fred and Trent were shipping those Lbs. to the Cincy WR.[/quote]

I'm saying the Redskins are the new Bengals.

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[quote=irish;865847]The Redskins are irrelevant in the national pro football scene and are in the bottom 5 of teams over the past 10 years. This kind of losing creates the atmosphere for this to happen. This might be going on on every team but it seems only the Redskins are facing these kind of suspensions. The once great Redskin organization which has been down looks worse now (and I didnt think that was possible). Its a shame.[/quote]


It doesn't matter if the coach is Gibbs, Shanahan, Schottenheimer, Spurrier, or Zorn, this organization has indeed reached the lowest depths in sports. Yes, the Redskins are a storied franchise, but this kind of behavior and unaccountability and unprofessionalism would only be occurring within an organization that has reached the level of mediocrity that the Redskins franchise has reached.

When I first heard about this drug thing with Fred Davis and Trent Williams, I first thought that they violated the substance abuse policy for using performance enhancing drugs. But now that light has been shed on the real truth, which is the use of marijuana makes me angry as a fan. When the team is trying to build, what do they have to build on when their 2010 first round draft choice and their best tight end/receiver like smoking weed?

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What we learned about the Redskins in Week 13
By: John Keim | 12/05/11 8:05 PM
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One thing that will be missed as much as anything with Fred Davis suspended? Yards gained after the catch. Davis is third among NFL tight ends with 296 yards after the catch, which leads Redskins receivers and tight ends by a wide margin (running back Roy Helu has 315). The other nine Redskins wideouts and tight ends have combined for 409 yards after the catch. [B]Davis qualified as their best playmaker, but his foolishness cost him and the Redskins' offense.[/B]

» [B]Trent Williams should not be a captain.[/B] If you're going to put your own interests above those of your teammates, then it's difficult to ask them to follow you. And multiple failed drug tests suggest that's what he has done. Williams' last three games have been his best, and he showed up this season in excellent shape. But if he wants to be an elite player, missing four games is not the way to get there.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;865876]It doesn't matter if the coach is Gibbs, Shanahan, Schottenheimer, Spurrier, or Zorn, this organization has indeed reached the lowest depths in sports. Yes, the Redskins are a storied franchise, but [B]this kind of behavior and unaccountability and unprofessionalism would only be occurring within an organization that has reached the level of mediocrity that the Redskins franchise has reached. [/B]

When I first heard about this drug thing with Fred Davis and Trent Williams, I first thought that they violated the substance abuse policy for using performance enhancing drugs. But now that light has been shed on the real truth, which is the use of marijuana makes me angry as a fan. When the team is trying to build, what do they have to build on when their 2010 first round draft choice and their best tight end/receiver like smoking weed?[/quote]

You think the Redskins are the only team dealing with players that smoke weed?

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I heard on the radio this morning that only 11 guys in the entire league tested positive this season (not sure if they were referring to recreational drugs only, but I think so), and the only two players league-wide that will be suspended are on our team. Awesome.

Fred and Trent are freaking Harold & Kumar. You know you tested positive once. You continue to get high. You know you then failed a second test. And still you smoke weed.

Let's call it what it is. They're a couple of pathetic stoners. The more I've thought about this, the more annoyed I've gotten.

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I'm sure there are a lot of guys in the league that smoke, but I'm also sure most of those guys are smart about it when it comes to testing. Davis and Williams... not so much obviously.

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[quote=Mattyk;865892]You think the Redskins are the only team dealing with players that smoke weed?[/quote]

Absolutely not. But they're the only team this season that has any players getting suspended for it. And it just so happens to be two of our best players on an otherwise terrible offensive team. One of those players is also the highest draft pick Mike Shanahan has ever made. This same guy has a $80,000 gorilla necklace, is oft-injured, and draws personal foul penalties like they're blunts.

Sad state of affairs.

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You know, I could care less if a dude wants to light up J from time to time.
BUT, when you have had this many warnings and you continue for the need of the weed and put this much to risk? You may well be pulling a Ricky (as someone else pointed out).

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sooo is it official yet ? Freddy is my starting TE.... just waiting for an official word before i replace him on my roster. :confused-

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[quote=Mattyk;865892]You think the Redskins are the only team dealing with players that smoke weed?[/quote]

They are the only ones dealing with possible suspensions from smoking weed.

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Unlike the Green Bay Packers who just saw one of their top defensive linemen of recent years get sentenced to six years in prison for mass distribution of an illegal substance

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Rob Gronkowski is a more athletic Witten

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;865938]Unlike the Green Bay Packers who just saw one of their top defensive linemen of recent years get sentenced to six years in prison for mass distribution of an illegal substance[/QUOTE]

Usually I agree with you but not this time. Johnny jolly doesn't mean to the Packers d what Fred Davis means to our o.

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[quote=mooby;865947]Usually I agree with you but not this time. Johnny jolly doesn't mean to the Packers d what Fred Davis means to our o.[/quote]

His point was the Skins aren't the only team dealing with these sort of things.

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[quote=mooby;865947]Usually I agree with you but not this time. Johnny jolly doesn't mean to the Packers d what Fred Davis means to our o.[/quote]

When he was arrested in the summer of 2008 he was a pretty key figure in their defense.

But my point was more so that even the "best" organizations have players with issues much more major than getting caught smoking weed