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[quote=SmootSmack;872081]Cleveland will definitely show interest in Flynn. But from what I hear feeling isn't necessarily mutual[/quote]


....and Miami??

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[quote=SkinItup;872066]I wouldn't be surprised if Flynn gets brought in to Cleveland since Holmgren has ties to Green Bay. That would still give us a better chance to get RG3.[/quote]

I really hope we dont go after RG3, Im still hopeing we trade down and take Tannehill.

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I really want to see what Beck can do with OTA's and minicamps.

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[quote=12thMan;872135]I hope and think the Skins stay away from Flynn. I could see him playing for the Jets though and maybe Sanchez is reunited with Pete Carol in a three way deal.[/quote]

So Jets would get Flynn, Sanchez would go to Seahawks, what would the third team be? And by the way, Flynn is an unrestricted free agent so there would be no trade...

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...but seriously. This team has arrived at the point where we need to fix te QB position. Period. I'd personally go after someone young w potential via trade or FA ala Flynn, AND trade up to secure RG3. A Flynn type move gives us some leverage so we don't get totally bent over in a draft trade. And also gives us the ability to groom our pick and play them when it makes most sense. Plus it doubles our chances of finding a good one. Which is the most important factor. Bottom line is this team can't move forward until we solve our decades long quarterback woes. It's time. Anyone thinking we can stand pat or do something small or temporary has not been paying attention.

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[quote=Redskin Jim;872103]Living in New Orleans, I've watched Flynn ever since he took over the reins at LSU from Jamarcus Russell. I have always thought he was underwhelming, not bad, just not impressive. I did watch the Green Bay game yesterday and was very impressed with his play. He played a great game and MADE plays, not just managed the game. I have to say, that I would view Flynn as an upgrade over Rex, but with so small a sample of his body of work in the pros, I fear that most Skins fans will be in for a rude awakening if/when he would become our QB.[B] I believe that in Flynn we would be getting a 'game manager' in the mold of a Brad Johnson. Above average as far as game managers go, but no really outstanding skills or playmaking that bump him into the elite category.[/B] I have no problem with bringing him in, I just would hate to see the fans get all worked up, (like with McNugget), only to be let down when reality comes crashing down once again.

:twocents:[/quote]

I agree. He didn't really impress me when he was at LSU. Good college player but nothing more. Besides, if you put Flynn behind center here, does he have the ability to make the players around him better? No. We need a potential superstar. Not a potential game manager, or a slight upgrade over Grossman. I say we pass and draft our own guy.

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[quote=TenandSix:Unacceptable;872172]I really want to see what Beck can do with OTA's and minicamps.[/quote]

:yeahright

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[quote=CultBrennan59;871925]I'm hoping (but deep down I know they won't do it) that the browns sign Matt Flynn, and we can get RG3.

The crowd of analysts/critics/draft-evaluators had it as 100% Luck-supporters. Then RG3 one the Heisman and got more attention and then just had a great bowl game show his quickness + Cam Newton helped him out by showing that athletes from the spread are legit.
Now that crowd is 55% Luck-45% Griffin.[/quote]

This is an interesting point. Holmgren seems to prefer seasoned qbs and signing Flynn would be a similar move to when he traded for Hasselbeck from GB to Sea.

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[quote=IrMitchell;871679]Getting Matt Flynn would be what the old Redskins would do. We're drafting a quarterback, and if he sucks then we'll suck, but we've gotta do it the right way.[/quote]

yes lets draft someone and fill the other holes with free agents

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I'd look at Flynn, but I'd rather draft our guy

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The Redskins could still pick up Matt Flynn and draft a QB. The only question would be, having Flynn on board means moving up to draft someone like RG III or moving down to get someone like Jones or Tannehill? I think it would be the latter.

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[quote=skinsguy;872222]The Redskins could still pick up Matt Flynn and draft a QB. The only question would be, having Flynn on board means moving up to draft someone like RG III or moving down to get someone like Jones or Tannehill? I think it would be the latter.[/quote]

I think that situation would have to be the latter as well...

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Id rather have Errol Flynn.

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[quote=skinster;872030]I didn't see him play, but I'd prefer to trade for flynn (if he is good) over reaching for a qb (if we don't believe in someone). Trust our scouting. Whoever we think is best we give the first round pick up for. I'd guess it would be flynn. Word in the preseason this year was flynn was playing even better than rodgers.[/quote]

[quote=12thMan;872135]I hope and think the Skins stay away from Flynn. I could see him playing for the Jets though and maybe Sanchez is reunited with Pete Carol in a three way deal.[/quote]

These are the types of things that drive me crazy. Flynn is a FA. No one has to trade for him.

And in my opinion thats what makes Flynn so valuable; not only could he be a good qb, but the opportunity cost to get him is existentially zero. With Luck and RGIII it will cost us at a bare minimum 1 draft pick but in reality multiple draft picks and/or trading players like Orapko/T. Williams/Davis. If we sign Matt Flynn all it will cost us is Danny's money (inconsequential to me) and cap space which depending on the deal could also be relatively inconsequential.

My thoughts are RGIII or Luck may be much better qb prospects then Flynn, however, do you believe that the cost in the loss of 6th overall pick plus trading additional picks and/or players to get either of them will be more beneficial to the team then not having to trade anything and simply adding Flynn? Trading for a player is entirely different and more costly then signing a player through FA. In fact trading picks and/or players to move up in the draft is nearly identical as trading for a player on another team.

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If you guys read my post, I never said Flynn would be traded. I said I could see him playing for the Jets and Seattle would acquire Sanchez via trade.

The third team, which I did misstate, was that I'm hoping the Redskins stay away from Flynn altogether.

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[quote=mlmpetert;872247]These are the types of things that drive me crazy. Flynn is a FA. No one has to trade for him.

And in my opinion thats what makes Flynn so valuable; not only could he be a good qb, but the opportunity cost to get him is existentially zero. With Luck and RGIII it will cost us at a bare minimum 1 draft pick but in reality multiple draft picks and/or trading players like Orapko/T. Williams/Davis. If we sign Matt Flynn all it will cost us is Danny's money (inconsequential to me) and cap space which depending on the deal could also be relatively inconsequential.

My thoughts are RGIII or Luck may be much better qb prospects then Flynn, however, do you believe that the cost in the loss of 6th overall pick plus trading additional picks and/or players to get either of them will be more beneficial to the team then not having to trade anything and simply adding Flynn? Trading for a player is entirely different and more costly then signing a player through FA. In fact trading picks and/or players to move up in the draft is nearly identical as trading for a player on another team.[/quote]

I think this is the key point. If flynn's the guy, we still have two picks in the first 2 rounds (potential instant starters).

so if we need a CB, QB, OT, and WR 2 high picks won't cover all 4. especially if you feel like we need safety help or a young ILB.

best FAs for us could be flynn, grimes (or rogers :P), one of the MANY FA WRs (bowe wallace etc), and grubbs at OG. you could take 0-4 or those and draft 2 guys (one of which could be blackmon, RGIII, claiborne, kalil - one will be available at #6).

If you traded with cinncy you'd be able to get tannehill and a CB (like jenkins) at 19 and 24.

for cheap FAs, I'd definately grab 2-3 safeties at the $1mill/year range and see if we can upgrade doughty and gomes. I'd do the same for ILB and/or look at the 3rd and 4th round as a place to draft there, assuming we fill at least 2 needs in FA.

I kinda think the #2 pick should be a new RT, and a FA WR is going to be better than drafting one since SOO many are available this year and its the easiest way to save a pick. grimes is a great CB, but I bet he and rogers get bigger contracts than we'd want to give - we can either pay one of them and draft a QB or pay a QB and take claiborne. Grubbs is just a good buy if we cann swing it, but he wouldn't alleviate the need at RT and we probably won't be drafting a good OG unless we get lucky in the 3rd.

that's kinda what i'm thinking, not that it really matters ;).

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;872242]Id rather have Errol Flynn.[/quote]

LMAO :laughing2

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[quote=skinsguy;872125]LOL! Please put the crack pipe down. McNabb is finished. That's why Philadelphia was willing to give him up to a division opponent.[/quote]

your right, their record and playoff wins since he left proves he was the one holding them back. Mcnabb is much better than Rex. He passes for more yards, threw less ints and defeated better teams. Those facts cant be debated.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;872282]your right, their record and playoff wins since he left proves he was the one holding them back. Mcnabb is much better than Rex. He passes for more yards, threw less ints and defeated better teams. Those facts cant be debated.[/quote]

The Eagles have maintained a similar level of production after the departure of McNabb. Why any QB take should excessive credit or blame for another part of their team's fall from greatness is beyond me, but you continue to engage in that misattribution by using the stat of wins over looking at yards per game or passing touchdowns.

Hence, Andy Reid doesn't have to concern himself with his quarterback. Out of all the problems going for the Eagles, the starting quarterback is the least of his worries.

McNabb only threw for 3377 while Grossman threw for 3151, but Grossman had 14 fewer attempts and ten fewer completions. Most of McNabb's wins for have awful stat lines(every win except Tennessee), and he too had a 10-game interception throwing streak last season.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;872282]your right, their record and playoff wins since he left proves he was the one holding them back. Mcnabb is much better than Rex. He passes for more yards, threw less ints and defeated better teams. Those facts cant be debated.[/quote]

And what exactly is Donovan McNabb's record since leaving the Eagles? I'm sorry, what was that? I can't seem to hear you, must have a bad connection. What? You know, if I'm THAT big of a Donovan McNabb fan, I think I'd just follow him to the team he's currently on and start rooting for them.....oh wait....that's right, he doesn't have a team! Because he was cut midway through the season. Certainly sounds like a strong case for McNabb over Grossman....lol!

What CAN'T be debated is the fact that neither Grossman NOR McNabb are or was the right choice for the Redskins and their future. Live with it.

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Matt Flynn either needs to be a Brown or a Redskin. Right now the teams only two targets should be Flynn and RG3

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peter king thinks flynn will be a skin or seahawk

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I am thinking that the green bay packers are going to franchise matt flynn. Then they will be looking to get a second round draft choice for him. . Similar to what the new england patriots did with matt cassel.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;872321]I am thinking that the green bay packers are going to franchise matt flynn. Then they will be looking to get a second round draft choice for him. . Similar to what the new england patriots did with matt cassel.[/quote]

We both must have just read the same article.

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[quote=skinsguy;872322]We both must have just read the same article.[/quote]

@bryanbrackney: The Packers won't franchise Flynn. Jermichael Finley will get the tag.
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[quote=skinsguy;872322]We both must have just read the same article.[/quote]

No but if you have link i would like to hear it.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;872320]peter king thinks flynn will be a skin or seahawk[/quote]

I think Seahawk, what I said last week

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[quote=skinsguy;872310]And what exactly is Donovan McNabb's record since leaving the Eagles? I'm sorry, what was that? I can't seem to hear you, must have a bad connection. What? You know, if I'm THAT big of a Donovan McNabb fan, I think I'd just follow him to the team he's currently on and start rooting for them.....oh wait....that's right, he doesn't have a team! Because he was cut midway through the season. Certainly sounds like a strong case for McNabb over Grossman....lol!

What CAN'T be debated is the fact that neither Grossman NOR McNabb are or was the right choice for the Redskins and their future. Live with it.[/quote]

McNabb is a winner. Doesn't matter where he goes or how low his completion percentage is or how many Int's he throws. The guy just wins.

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Per Football Outsiders:
[I]Flynn is 26 years old and has four years of apprenticeship in one of the best offenses in the league. His ceiling is Hall of Famer; his realistic floor is something at least close to a Pro Bowler. That's got to be worth more than an unproven rookie, doesn't it?
[/I]


[QUOTE]Maybe Flynn will never win a Super Bowl like those men did. So let's not look at the best quarterbacks who have played this well; let's look instead at the worst quarterbacks to ever hit 290 DYAR in a game. In alphabetical order, that leaves us with Marc Bulger, Randall Cunningham, Green and Scott Mitchell. The first three names on that list were Pro Bowlers, and the fourth was essentially a league-average starter for a half-decade in the mid-90s.

Going a little further down the list, down to the 260-DYAR level, gives us more of the same: Pro Bowl quarterback after Pro Bowl quarterback, from Rodgers to Matt Hasselbeck to Carson Palmer to Rich Gannon to Steve Young to Drew Bledsoe to Bobby Hebert to Troy Aikman to Neil O'Donnell to Daunte Culpepper to Jeff Garcia. Obviously, some of those names are a lot better than others,[B] but with the exception of Mitchell, every quarterback who has ever played even one game anywhere near Flynn's level played in Hawaii at least once in his career.[/B][/QUOTE]

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Disagree with FO that his floor is pro bowler. His floor is career backup with misguided starting stint.

The problem wasn't the stats analysis, it was the way the question was asked: "what was the worst case outcome of a player who exceeded 290 DYAR in a single performance?" But the real question that wasn't asked there was "what parameters are consistent in any 290 DYAR performance ([B]specifically, Scott Mitchell's[/B])." It just so happens that Aaron Rodgers, playing in the Packers offensive system, with the Packers offensive talent, is having one of the greatest quarterback seasons of all time. Is Aaron Rodgers one of the greatest quarterbacks ever to play pro football? Maybe. But it's more likely that he's in the prime of his career right now [B]because of the fertility of the offense around him[/B].

Great stats -- ones that I use regularly -- poor analysis of the performance in a limited sample.

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[quote=GTripp0012;872550]Disagree with FO that his floor is pro bowler. His floor is career backup with misguided starting stint.

The problem wasn't the stats analysis, it was the way the question was asked: "what was the worst case outcome of a player who exceeded 290 DYAR in a single performance?" But the real question that wasn't asked there was "what parameters are consistent in any 290 DYAR performance ([B]specifically, Scott Mitchell's[/B])." It just so happens that Aaron Rodgers, playing in the Packers offensive system, with the Packers offensive talent, is having one of the greatest quarterback seasons of all time. Is Aaron Rodgers one of the greatest quarterbacks ever to play pro football? Maybe. But it's more likely that he's in the prime of his career right now [B]because of the fertility of the offense around him[/B].

Great stats -- ones that I use regularly -- poor analysis of the performance in a limited sample.[/quote]

It all depends on how the FO sees him. If you think he's Matt Schuab you go for him . Even in spite of RGIII. Personally I love RGIII, he's a great QB prospect. However with all the injuries this year I can't take the idea of finally getting a QB only to have to worry about how often he'll be injured. Then again Vick has been surprisingly durable given his style of play.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;872551]It all depends on how the FO sees him. If you think he's Matt Schuab you go for him . Even in spite of RGIII. Personally I love RGIII, he's a great QB prospect. However with all the injuries this year I can't take the idea of finally getting a QB only to have to worry about how often he'll be injured. Then again Vick has been surprisingly durable given his style of play.[/quote]Well, yeah, but the FO thought Donovan McNabb would be a pro bowl performer, and that John Beck would be a largely mistake free starter capable of executing the offense. What they think of Matt Flynn says nothing about Matt Flynn. Good or bad.

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Bottom line, let someone else overpay for Flynn. Someone's going to do it. I just hope it's not us.

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Id rather have Laura Flynn Boyle.

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[quote=GTripp0012;872552]Well, yeah, but the FO thought Donovan McNabb would be a pro bowl performer, and that [B]John Beck would be a largely mistake free starter capable of executing the offense[/B]. What they think of Matt Flynn says nothing about Matt Flynn. Good or bad.[/quote]
Do you....Really believe all the nonsense that Shan throws out to placate to the media as gospel?
If I had to speculate (AND that is mostly all a fan can do), I think they hoped to "get away" with Beck and Rex for a season until suitable replacements could be drafted or...FA'd

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[quote=GTripp0012;872550]Disagree with FO that his floor is pro bowler. His floor is career backup with misguided starting stint.

The problem wasn't the stats analysis, it was the way the question was asked: "what was the worst case outcome of a player who exceeded 290 DYAR in a single performance?" But the real question that wasn't asked there was "what parameters are consistent in any 290 DYAR performance ([B]specifically, Scott Mitchell's[/B])." It just so happens that Aaron Rodgers, playing in the Packers offensive system, with the Packers offensive talent, is having one of the greatest quarterback seasons of all time. Is Aaron Rodgers one of the greatest quarterbacks ever to play pro football? Maybe. But it's more likely that he's in the prime of his career right now [B]because of the fertility of the offense around him[/B].

Great stats -- ones that I use regularly -- poor analysis of the performance in a limited sample.[/quote]

Rodgers has been posting great stats ever since he took over as the starter, even when he was one of the most sacked QBs in the league, and he doesn't skip a beat when he loses his "fertile" talent to injury (Finley, Jennings, etc.)

Their running game is a joke. Great QBs make make WRs. Whenever Favre's #1 WR would go somewhere else, they would fail (see Antonio Freeman). While I wouldn't put Flynn in the HOF today, I find it hard to believe his game was fluke. 480 yds and 6 TDs is strong indicator that this guy can play.

If the Skins got Flynn and used their 6th pick for Blackmon or made a deal with Cincy and got Alshon Jeffery late in the first round, they would have some real potential on Offense. Or if they got Bowe or Colston in free agency. Whatever the case, they could have a true #1 WR with Hankerson a good, young #2 and Santana Moss their slot WR. Hightower, Helu and Royster in the backfield and Davis and Cooley at TE. They can easily revamp the O line with other draft picks or in free agency.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;872325]No but if you have link i would like to hear it.[/quote]


[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/03/flynns-success-creates-a-dilemma-for-the-packers/]Flynn’s success creates a dilemma for the Packers | ProFootballTalk[/url]

I got to think if Flynn's game was a fluke or if Rodger's season/career has been so good because hes just a system QB..... then why dont we just copy the Packers' offense?

Also besides offensive talent does anyone know the major difference between our offense and the Packers? I was under the impression that both schemes were pretty simular?

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[quote=skinsfan69;872563]Bottom line, let someone else overpay for Flynn. Someone's going to do it. I just hope it's not us.[/quote]


Over paying via Danny's money is entirely differnt then over paying via draft picks and/or players. If GB franchises Flynn and wants to trade him ill be the first one that jumps off of the Flynn bandwagon.

I think the best interest for our team would be to sign a FA QB with a lot of potential (like Flynn) and do pretty much everything that 44Deezel said. We still draft another QB. Who knows, maybe well get real lucky and have RGIII fall to us at 6. If so we still draft him and have both Flynn and RGIII on board, if not well at least we didnt give away the farm to move up 3 spots to get an unproven rookie.

What we should all like the most about Flynn is that he gives us a lot of flexability. But if GB puts the frachise tag on him, his value dimishes greatly in my eyes.

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Hadn't heard about the possibility of GB putting the franchise tag on Flynn. And wouldn't that be very expensive for a back-up QB?

I agree with those that say we should try to acquire him, but for $$$ only, no other compensation. DS can afford it and I'm thinking at we have the cap room.

HTTR

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[quote=mlmpetert;872630]Over paying via Danny's money is entirely differnt then over paying via draft picks and/or players. If GB franchises Flynn and wants to trade him ill be the first one that jumps off of the Flynn bandwagon.

I think the best interest for our team would be to sign a FA QB with a lot of potential (like Flynn) and do pretty much everything that 44Deezel said. We still draft another QB. Who knows, maybe well get real lucky and have RGIII fall to us at 6. If so we still draft him and have both Flynn and RGIII on board, if not well at least we didnt give away the farm to move up 3 spots to get an unproven rookie.

What we should all like the most about Flynn is that he gives us a lot of flexability. But if GB puts the frachise tag on him, his value dimishes greatly in my eyes.[/quote]

Regardless of what GB does we shouldn't go after him. Way too much risk involved here. As I said, someone's going to have to pay him 40 million. It's going to be a bidding war. Give up a draft pick and over pay cause GB is going to want compensation...and or what? Two starts? No thanks. This has Kevin Kolb written all over it. Let's go get our own guy in the draft. This is a deep class and we should be able to get a guy in the 2nd round that has more potential than Flynn. The guy on A&M? Foles?