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[quote=los panda;880922]super bowl monday should to be a federal holiday[/quote]

Well if you combined MLK day and Rebert E. Lees birthday,and bumped them both down to Super Bowl Monday, everybody is a winner. I think we might have something here Panda. Im writting my congressman right now.

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[quote=los panda;880922]super bowl monday should to be a federal holiday[/quote]

I think the SB should be on a Saturday night. More people would watch it, and it would give everybody a day to recover before they go back to work. I wish I knew what national attendance figures for work looked like the day after the SB.

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[quote=mooby;880943]I think the SB should be on a Saturday night. More people would watch it, and it would give everybody a day to recover before they go back to work. I wish I knew what national attendance figures for work looked like the day after the SB.[/quote]

I agree with this and never understood why they won't change it. And the worst thing is that they have the Superbowl late on Sunday.

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[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ycn-10913319]Five Super Bowl Records that Will Never Be Broken: Fan Reaction - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

"There have been many great running backs who have showcased their talents in the Super Bowl. Franco Harris, Emmitt Smith and Marcus Allen have all shone on the biggest stage in the NFL. [B]But no individual rushing performance has topped Timmy Smith's 204 yards in Super Bowl XXII for the Washington Redskins[/B]. He is the only person to have more than 200 yards on the ground in a Super Bowl, eclipsing Allen's record of 191 yards set just four years earlier for the Los Angeles Raiders."

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+1 on the super bowl needs to be on a Saturday.
Why do they have the damn thing on a work night?

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I guess Super Bowl Saturday doesn't have the same ring to it.

I'd definitely love to see it happen. The Monday after the SB is notorious for people calling in sick for work.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;881011][url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ycn-10913319]Five Super Bowl Records that Will Never Be Broken: Fan Reaction - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

"There have been many great running backs who have showcased their talents in the Super Bowl. Franco Harris, Emmitt Smith and Marcus Allen have all shone on the biggest stage in the NFL. [B]But no individual rushing performance has topped Timmy Smith's 204 yards in Super Bowl XXII for the Washington Redskins[/B]. He is the only person to have more than 200 yards on the ground in a Super Bowl, eclipsing Allen's record of 191 yards set just four years earlier for the Los Angeles Raiders."[/quote]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa-eryLtKP0]20th Anniversary of "The Quarter" - YouTube[/ame]

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Just had a kind of weird thought. Devin Thomas has an opportunity to get a ring. :madani:

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;881019][url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa-eryLtKP0]20th Anniversary of "The Quarter" - YouTube[/url][/quote]

Oh boy, that was fun! Thanks for posting! And thank you Dan Reeves for putting your DB's on an island for us. On Smith's TD run, it almost looked like Jacoby did not have anyone to block! Great memory!:cool-smil

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[quote=mooby;880943]I think the SB should be on a Saturday night. More people would watch it, and it would give everybody a day to recover before they go back to work. I wish I knew what national attendance figures for work looked like the day after the SB.[/quote]

Approximately 100 million folks in the US watch the Super Bowl on Sunday night at 6:30 EST every year. So, now many more would watch on Saturday night? Check TV ratings and you will find that Saturday night is not a prime TV slot.

Let's check the arguments you might make to your Congressthing to make Super Bowl Monday a Federal Holiday:
[INDENT]1. I get wasted on Sunday night and I need a day off.

2. "crickets"...[/INDENT]
Now there is a motivation for an elected official to start a movement to create another Federal Holiday. Last time I checked, the Hedonism Party in the US did not elect a whole lot of folks to the Congress.

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Ugh working in retail having the SB on Saturday night would blow

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;881050]Let's check the arguments you might make to your Congressthing to make Super Bowl Monday a Federal Holiday:
[INDENT]1. I get wasted on Sunday night and I need a day off.

2. "crickets"...[/INDENT]
Now there is a motivation for an elected official to start a movement to create another Federal Holiday. Last time I checked, the Hedonism Party in the US did not elect a whole lot of folks to the Congress.[/quote]using that argument, i think it has just as much right as new years day

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;881050]Approximately 100 million folks in the US watch the Super Bowl on Sunday night at 6:30 EST every year. So, now many more would watch on Saturday night? Check TV ratings and you will find that Saturday night is not a prime TV slot.

Let's check the arguments you might make to your Congressthing to make Super Bowl Monday a Federal Holiday:
[INDENT]1. I get wasted on Sunday night and I need a day off.

2. "crickets"...[/INDENT]
Now there is a motivation for an elected official to start a movement to create another Federal Holiday. Last time I checked, the Hedonism Party in the US did not elect a whole lot of folks to the Congress.[/quote]

Really? You assume that #1 is the only reason for putting the SB on Saturday night? I don't think it matters whether Saturday is a prime slot or not, you could put the SB on on a Wednesday night and people would still watch it. The more people segment I'm referring to would be parents of kids who allow them to stay up later on a Saturday than on a Sunday night, since Sunday night is a school night. If the game was on Saturday, parents wouldn't be so concerned about letting their kids stay up a little late.

As far as the getting wasted argument goes, I'm pretty sure the number of people who call out of work is big enough that you could justify putting it on a Saturday night. So while the whole getting wasted argument doesn't sound pretty, it is what it is. How many people do you know that decline the opportunity to go to a SB party and have some drinks [I]just[/I] because they have work in the morning?

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Donovan McNabb > Tom Brady fan boi....

[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/02/01/mcnabb-brady-is-best-qb-of-all-time/?module=HP11_headline_stack]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive McNabb: Brady is best QB of all-time «[/url]

[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;881091]Donovan McNabb > Tom Brady fan boi....

[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/02/01/mcnabb-brady-is-best-qb-of-all-time/?module=HP11_headline_stack]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive McNabb: Brady is best QB of all-time «[/url][/QUOTE]

He's right though

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[quote=mooby;881088]Really? You assume that #1 is the only reason for putting the SB on Saturday night? I don't think it matters whether Saturday is a prime slot or not, you could put the SB on on a Wednesday night and people would still watch it. The more people segment I'm referring to would be parents of kids who allow them to stay up later on a Saturday than on a Sunday night, since Sunday night is a school night. If the game was on Saturday, parents wouldn't be so concerned about letting their kids stay up a little late.

As far as the getting wasted argument goes, I'm pretty sure the number of people who call out of work is big enough that you could justify putting it on a Saturday night. So while the whole getting wasted argument doesn't sound pretty, it is what it is. How many people do you know that decline the opportunity to go to a SB party and have some drinks [I]just[/I] because they have work in the morning?[/quote]


First of all, weekday games for the NFL have [B]never[/B] drawn as well as Sunday games with the exception of a few MNF games over the 40-year history of MNF.

The NFL used to play Saturday games after the college season was over in December on the major over-the-air-networks. Their ratings were ALWAYS less than on Sunday. That is PART of the reason the NFL does not do that any more.

If they played the Super Bowl on a Wednesday - - as you suggested in your hyperbole - - they would likely draw a smaller audience. Oh, and by the way, Wednesday would be a work night too...

One other thing, the NFL really does not care a whole lot if kids get to stay up to see the game on the East Coast of the US. [B][I][Note, that is not a big deal at all on the West Coast where the game kicks off at 3:30 PM.[/I][/B]] NFL sponsors tend to be car companies, beer companies, insurance companies etc. Frosted Flakes is not likely to spend $3M on a Super Bowl slot because a few extra kiddies might be looking in. Super Bowl telecasts are there to rake in rights fees and those rights fees are tied to advertising rates. Advertising rates are tied to [B]ADULTS[/B] who tune in...

There is a huge difference to employers - - either the govt or a private company - - between paying employees for a holiday and paying them to take a sick day off.
[INDENT]When you get wasted and take the next day off, you get paid - - AND THEN you have one less sick-day/personal-day/vacation-day where you will not be at work but still drawing salary.

If it is a holiday you get the day off AND THEN you still get to take your full compliment of sick-days/personal-days/vacation-days.[/INDENT]
If you write to your Congressman, he is going to recognize that significant difference so you better come up with a really good explanation as to why this is a critical national issue. Yours will not be the first letter along that line that he will have received - - and yet the legislation never seems to get introduced. Wonder why that is...?

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it's very critical to get a paid day off when it's time to open a new calendar

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Moving the Super Bowl up one day would cause millions of dollars in lost revenue for networks, advertisers, sponsors, host cities

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[quote=SmootSmack;881165]Moving the Super Bowl up one day would cause millions of dollars in lost revenue for networks, advertisers, sponsors, host cities[/quote]

And that pretty much ends this debate.

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host cities, at the very least, would bag more cash if super bowl monday were a federal holiday

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;881160]First of all, weekday games for the NFL have [B]never[/B] drawn as well as Sunday games with the exception of a few MNF games over the 40-year history of MNF.
[/quote]

First of all, the SB, like it or not, is not your average NFL game. What draws better ratings in a head to head comparison, the BCS National Championship game or just your average weekday college football game, between two top 15 schools no less? The SB will get good ratings no matter what day it's on, simply because it's the SB. The flagship game of the flagship league in the US. But nobody will ever know what kind of ratings the SB would get on a day other than Sunday because in today's day and age it's only been played on Sundays. And you can't compare the SB's of today to the SB's of 40 years ago, because it's two completely different era's.

[quote]
The NFL used to play Saturday games after the college season was over in December on the major over-the-air-networks. Their ratings were ALWAYS less than on Sunday. That is PART of the reason the NFL does not do that any more.
[/quote]
The NFL still does play games on Saturdays once college football is over, look no further than Dec. 24th of last year for a day in which the entire slate of NFL games was played so players/coaches wouldn't have to play/work on X-mas.

[quote]
If they played the Super Bowl on a Wednesday - - as you suggested in your hyperbole - - they would likely draw a smaller audience. Oh, and by the way, Wednesday would be a work night too...
[/quote]
Maybe they would, but we'll never know simply because the SB will never be played on a Wednesday. That was just an example, not a suggestion.

[quote]
One other thing, the NFL really does not care a whole lot if kids get to stay up to see the game on the East Coast of the US. [B][I][Note, that is not a big deal at all on the West Coast where the game kicks off at 3:30 PM.[/I][/B]] NFL sponsors tend to be car companies, beer companies, insurance companies etc. Frosted Flakes is not likely to spend $3M on a Super Bowl slot because a few extra kiddies might be looking in. Super Bowl telecasts are there to rake in rights fees and those rights fees are tied to advertising rates. Advertising rates are tied to [B]ADULTS[/B] who tune in...
[/quote]
I'm very aware that kids are not the NFL's primary target market. Simply saying that if the game was on a Saturday night, it would open it up to another audience, namely families (also known as viewers) who don't stay up late on Sunday nights for whatever reason. I'm well aware that the SB is as much a corporate event as an NFL game. Why do you think the NFL makes sure all it's sponsors get plenty of tickets to the game?

[quote]
There is a huge difference to employers - - either the govt or a private company - - between paying employees for a holiday and paying them to take a sick day off. [INDENT]When you get wasted and take the next day off, you get paid - - AND THEN you have one less sick-day/personal-day/vacation-day where you will not be at work but still drawing salary.

If it is a holiday you get the day off AND THEN you still get to take your full compliment of sick-days/personal-days/vacation-days.

[/quote]
I'm not advocating making the Monday after the SB a national holiday. Merely suggesting that if people had the Sunday after the SB off, a lot of people would have no excuse to not come into work on the Monday the next day. Idc whether they use sick leave, vacation pay, or day off with no pay, I'm just saying a lot of people wouldn't call out on Monday if the SB was on a Saturday.
[/INDENT][quote]
If you write to your Congressman, he is going to recognize that significant difference so you better come up with a really good explanation as to why this is a critical national issue. Yours will not be the first letter along that line that he will have received - - and yet the legislation never seems to get introduced. Wonder why that is...?[/quote]

Why would I write to my Congressman about something that is an NFL matter, not a congressional one? The NFL has the power to move the SB to a Saturday. I have no desire to see "Super Bowl Monday" become a national holiday.

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[quote=SmootSmack;881165]Moving the Super Bowl up one day would cause millions of dollars in lost revenue for networks, advertisers, sponsors, host cities[/quote]

And that's why my argument is a moot point. Alrighty then.

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The Super Bowl should be moved to a Wednesday. Wednesdays this time of year are so dull. Then we can declare the whole week a Super Bowl Week national holiday. Make it like a second Christmas season.

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[quote=SmootSmack;881165]Moving the Super Bowl up one day would cause millions of dollars in lost revenue for networks, advertisers, sponsors, host cities[/quote]

I'm just curious to know how. Would this happen if they made a sudden change? Would there be such a drastic change in viewership that would really cripple revenue?

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it's getting ferocious in here

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lol time well spent!!

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[quote=Ruhskins;881182]I'm just curious to know how. Would this happen if they made a sudden change? Would there be such a drastic change in viewership that would really cripple revenue?[/quote]

It's one less day of business for restaurants in the host cities, one less night for hotels. And it's not just the attendance in these places. It's that these restaurants and hotels are charging premium prices in Indy during this week. And they know they can. It's one less night for sponsors to host "official" Super Bowl parties. One less day of advertisers buying premium time on your networks. Because it's not just the Super Bowl itself, it's all the programming building up to it.

I think I often said that my primary role at ESPN involved working on things that weren't in existence yet. Some of that includes mapping out different scenarios. We did this with all sports. What if the NBA season started two weeks later. What if we make the Indy 500 the first race of the season and move it to Monday. What if there was an extra round of MLB playoffs. What if the Super Bowl wasn't on Sunday. We mapped out many different scenarios yearly and in this case, the numbers wouldn't justify it.

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[quote=Lotus;881179]The Super Bowl should be moved to a Wednesday. Wednesdays this time of year are so dull. Then we can declare the whole week a Super Bowl Week national holiday. Make it like a second Christmas season.[/quote]

Modern Family on Wednesdays. That won't work for me

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everybody wins with super bowl monday

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(the holiday after the game on sunday)

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Super Bowl should not be on Saturday...Super Bowl Sunday is a tradition. The answer to this problem is to get the Super Bowl to Presidents Day Weekend...that way kids are off from school and a large percentage of the workforce has Monday off. That will be one of the benefits of the 18 game regular season that most people otherwise don't want.

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[quote=los panda;881163]it's very critical to get a paid day off when it's time to open a new calendar[/quote]

You are correct. It is NOT IMPORTANT AT ALL to get a paid day off when it is time to open a new calendar.

Here is the fundamental difference:
[INDENT]New Year's Day IS a Holiday already

Super Bowl Monday is NOT a Holiday already.[/INDENT]
To create a Federal Holiday - - or to get rid of one as the Congress did with the creation of President's Day - - requires legislation.

There is going to have to be a TON of pressure on Congress to get rid of a Holiday called New Year's Day because some folks will be upset about losing that Holiday. The fact of its existence makes it difficult for a Congressthing to start a campaign to take it away from folks.

It will take an equal amount of pressure on Congress to create a new Federal Holiday. And as soon as someone starts to do that, there will be competition from various other "interest groups" who would like a day to honor them or one of their heroes/heroines.

If you think you have a winning argument here vis a vis New Year's Day, it will only cost you 44-cents to mail it to your Congressman. Me, I have better things to do...

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;881217]You are correct. It is NOT IMPORTANT AT ALL to get a paid day off when it is time to open a new calendar.

Here is the fundamental difference:
[INDENT]New Year's Day IS a Holiday already

Super Bowl Monday is NOT a Holiday already.[/INDENT]
To create a Federal Holiday - - or to get rid of one as the Congress did with the creation of President's Day - - requires legislation.

There is going to have to be a TON of pressure on Congress to get rid of a Holiday called New Year's Day because some folks will be upset about losing that Holiday. The fact of its existence makes it difficult for a Congressthing to start a campaign to take it away from folks.

[B]It will take an equal amount of pressure on Congress to create a new Federal Holiday.[/B] And as soon as someone starts to do that, there will be competition from various other "interest groups" who would like a day to honor them or one of their heroes/heroines.

If you think you have a winning argument here vis a vis New Year's Day, it will only cost you 44-cents to mail it to your Congressman. Me, I have better things to do...[/quote]

There are plenty of other countries who have many more holidays than we do. We need more holidays. Forget Super Bowl Monday - we need Super Bowl Week. And Arbor Week, I might add, as well as Groundhog Week.

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[quote=Lotus;881238]There are plenty of other countries who have many more holidays than we do. We need more holidays. Forget Super Bowl Monday - we need Super Bowl Week. And Arbor Week, I might add, as well as Groundhog Week.[/quote]

Ha! For a second there I thought you wrote Ann Arbor week

And we can just have Groundhog Week over and over again

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[quote=celts32;881208]Super Bowl should not be on Saturday...Super Bowl Sunday is a tradition. The answer to this problem is to get the Super Bowl to Presidents Day Weekend...that way kids are off from school and a large percentage of the workforce has Monday off. That will be one of the benefits of the 18 game regular season that most people otherwise don't want.[/quote]

Ahhh, maybe there is some benefit to age. Since I have retired, every day is like Saturday (except Sunday--but then Sunday is followed by Saturday). Guys, I highly recommend retirement. I watched more guilt free football this year than ever! No school, no work, that's how I roll!:)

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;881217]You are correct. It is NOT IMPORTANT AT ALL to get a paid day off when it is time to open a new calendar.

Here is the fundamental difference:
[INDENT]New Year's Day IS a Holiday already

Super Bowl Monday is NOT a Holiday already.[/INDENT]
To create a Federal Holiday - - or to get rid of one as the Congress did with the creation of President's Day - - requires legislation.

There is going to have to be a TON of pressure on Congress to get rid of a Holiday called New Year's Day because some folks will be upset about losing that Holiday. The fact of its existence makes it difficult for a Congressthing to start a campaign to take it away from folks.

It will take an equal amount of pressure on Congress to create a new Federal Holiday. And as soon as someone starts to do that, there will be competition from various other "interest groups" who would like a day to honor them or one of their heroes/heroines.

If you think you have a winning argument here vis a vis New Year's Day, it will only cost you 44-cents to mail it to your Congressman. Me, I have better things to do...[/quote]i completely understand. no one said anything about getting rid of any holidays. i'm talking about throwing one more log on the fire

"should" key word

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Joe was on M&M a minute ago. He's talking about the Skins SB teams...they're running Skins SB footage in the background....nice. Good to see Joe.
Doug, Ricky, Timmy.....C. Mann
MAN, I hope we are returning to some of that...

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Haha....I dont see the govt creating a new holiday based on a hang over.

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[quote=Hog1;881464]Joe was on M&M a minute ago. He's talking about the Skins SB teams...they're running Skins SB footage in the background....nice. Good to see Joe.
Doug, Ricky, Timmy.....C. Mann
MAN, I hope we are returning to some of that...[/quote]charles mann is a class act. i got the ol' meet n greet at the grand opening of a hardware store when i was in 1st grade. back then i believe it was the greatest day of my life. HAIL!

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We need to be scoring a few more like him in the upcoming draft......