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[quote=diehardskin2982;889022]Hill is [B]killing[/B] it in this combine. I think he may have gotten himself into the first round... Speed [B]Kills[/B][/quote]

I see what your doing there when he linked you to Al Davis..

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[quote=CultBrennan59;889029]I see what your doing there when he linked you to Al Davis..[/quote]

lol. He is dying to draft him.

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Andrew Luck
4.66

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Howard Eskin ‏ @howardeskin
I'm told by people within Redskins they are prepared to offer picks 1,2 and 3 this year, at least a 1 next year to move up to get RG3 at 2

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[quote=SmootSmack;888954]Here's what I'll tell you right now about the Orakpo rumor because I feel it's kind of suspect. It involves him going to a 3rd team for a draft pick that WR would use as part of a deal to move up, so we wouldn't have to use so many of our own.

my doubts about this are A) the other team actually picks much lower than us so their picks aren't enticing and B) there's another player involved (not on the Skins) and moving him seems impossible.

[/quote]

It's funny, because I thought of using Orakpo to get picks as a way to move up a while ago, and was trying to figure out who would give up a 1st for him. The Jets and Chargers were my thoughts.

And however low that pick is, it has to at least carry a good deal more value than our 2nd.

Would killl to know who the other player is.

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[quote=celts32;889035]Howard Eskin ‏ @howardeskin
I'm told by people within Redskins they are prepared to offer picks 1,2 and 3 this year, at least a 1 next year to move up to get RG3 at 2[/quote]

Man, that is a hefty price tag. We'd better get some serious talent in free agency. Will suck watching us sit out the 2nd and 3rd rounds, but if we got someone like Vincent Jackson and a good DB or O-linemen in free agency, then why not?

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[quote=celts32;889035]Howard Eskin ‏ @howardeskin
I'm told by people within Redskins they are prepared to offer picks 1,2 and 3 this year, at least a 1 next year to move up to get RG3 at 2[/quote]

Let's do it.

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[quote=44Deezel;889039]Man, that is a hefty price tag. We'd better get some serious talent in free agency. Will suck watching us sit out the 2nd and 3rd rounds, but if we got someone like Vincent Jackson and a good DB or O-linemen in free agency, then why not?[/quote]

We have the cap dollars to replace a few draft picks in free agency. What our cap money can't buy is a young franchise QB...

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[quote=celts32;889035]Howard Eskin ‏ @howardeskin
I'm told by people within Redskins they are prepared to offer picks 1,2 and 3 this year, at least a 1 next year to move up to get RG3 at 2[/quote]


Does that come with a guarantee ,doing well at a combine does'nt translate into a Super bowl and really where people were talking about Luck for a few years ,noone had been talking about RGIII untill this year, that is a hell of alot to give up.

What is the chance of this trade goes down before draft day

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[quote=celts32;889043]We have the cap dollars to replace a few draft picks in free agency. What our cap money can't buy is a young franchise QB...[/quote]

Yeah, but there are no guarantees and there are other QBs in this draft who might go on to have more success.

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[quote=Giantone;889044]Does that come with a guarantee ,doing well at a combine does'nt translate into a Super bowl and really where people were talking about Luck for a few years ,noone had been talking about RGIII untill this year, that is a hell of alot to give up.[/quote]

Well I am sure you would prefer we keep our picks and keep trotting out the likes of Rex & Beck every year. Combine has nothing to do with the Skins interest in RG3. Shanny has been watching college QB tape since mid season. And just because the media was not spouting about him does not mean RG3 was not a prospect before this year.

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[quote=Mattyk;889042]Let's do it.[/quote]

Yes Matty!!

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[quote=celts32;889035]Howard Eskin ‏ @howardeskin
I'm told by people within Redskins they are prepared to offer picks 1,2 and 3 this year, at least a 1 next year to move up to get RG3 at 2[/quote]

No way I make that trade. We have more holes then just the qb position. I'd give all that up for luck but not the unknown of rg3

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[quote=WaldSkins;889050]No way I make that trade. We have more holes then just the qb position. I'd give all that up for luck but not the unknown of rg3[/quote]

But we are getting their first .... So we r just giving up our 2nd and 3rd in reality
..... We have a ton of cap room to fill other needs

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;889052]But we are getting their first .... So we r just giving up our 2nd and 3rd in reality
..... We have a ton of cap room to fill other needs[/quote]

I liked the direction the team was going with youth. I still think if we want rg3 it will be cheaper to wait to draft day to make the trade up

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You wait and someone else has the chance to lock in a deal before the draft.

I think a deal gets done before the draft.

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In this situation where the value of the pick is based on one player and position the Rams will lose value waiting until draft day. Teams will make QB decisions in free agency that take them out of the bidding. If only 1 team is left without a QB then the Rams lose thier leverage. I think a deal will be announced when Free agency begins.

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[quote=celts32;889058]In this situation where the value of the pick is based on one player and position the Rams will lose value waiting until draft day. Teams will make QB decisions in free agency that take them out of the bidding. If only 1 team is left without a QB then the Rams lose thier leverage. I think a deal will be announced when Free agency begins.[/quote]

Well said. Makes sense.

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The price tag reported by Eskin doesn't seem super exorbitant to me and I doubt we're talking about both the second and third round picks anyway: we're probably talking about either or.

Your draft is toast the second you do it though. The biggest problem with that trade isn't the price tag, it's the expectations that Griffin would be saddled with. It seems to ensure that the Redskins will be not very good for at least one more year (and who knows anything after that). Wheras going the "safer" route with Weeden doesn't really determine the quality of the rest of your draft.

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[quote=celts32;889058]In this situation where the value of the pick is based on one player and position the Rams will lose value waiting until draft day. Teams will make QB decisions in free agency that take them out of the bidding. If only 1 team is left without a QB then the Rams lose thier leverage. I think a deal will be announced when Free agency begins.[/quote]Which is exactly the reason it's nonsensical for the Redskins to get involved now, unless they ultimately want Luck and need the second pick before those talks can even begin.

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Definitely makes alot of sense to get it done early. Doesn't mean it will.

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The other thing a potential trade from 6 to 2 would represent is that the Redskins think Ryan Tannehill isn't an NFL quarterback.

So like the Eli Manning trade, if the Redskins get RG3 and become relevant again and he's everything you ask for, but Tannehill also goes on to become a top 10 QB in the NFL, then that's effectively losing the trade. Because even offering that much for RG3 isn't just an evaluation on Griffin, but Tannehill as well.

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Makes sense IMO for the SKINS to make an offer now, the closer we get to FA & the draft it enables us to take picks back. Offer the world now knowing they won't do it, then as teams sign FA QB's the demand for the #2 pick goes down you HOPE.

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[quote=GTripp0012;889066]Which is exactly the reason it's nonsensical for the Redskins to get involved now, unless they ultimately want Luck and need the second pick before those talks can even begin.[/quote]

Unless the guy they really want is RG3 then it makes perfect sense. If they wait the Rams will just sell the pick to the other highest bidder.

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The Rams are not dumb and will wait and see how many picks they can get, they aren't in a rush.

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[quote=celts32;889075]Unless the guy they really want is RG3 then it makes perfect sense. If they wait the Rams will just sell the pick to the other highest bidder.[/quote]The Rams don't have another (serious) bidder. It's the Redskins vs. time.

I think the Seahawks could get involved late, but the market price of the no. 2 pick will be fairly well known if they do.

Ultimately, the Rams need the Redskins to be involved because they don't have any other serious offers right now that would allow them to stay in the top 8 and pick an elite talent in this draft. It makes total sense for the Rams to move the pick to Redskins now because the bidding war in the future is so dependent on the Redskins or Browns to be involved and right now the Browns are lukewarm.

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[quote=GTripp0012;889077]The Rams don't have another (serious) bidder. It's the Redskins vs. time.

I think the Seahawks could get involved late, but the market price of the no. 2 pick will be fairly well known if they do.

Ultimately, the Rams need the Redskins to be involved because they don't have any other serious offers right now that would allow them to stay in the top 8 and pick an elite talent in this draft. It makes total sense for the Rams to move the pick to Redskins now because the bidding war in the future is so dependent on the Redskins or Browns to be involved and right now the Browns are lukewarm.[/quote]

Okay so you have it all figured out that the Redskins are the only serious bidder right now. Good to know...I guess there's nothing else to say.

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If Tripp is right that the Rams have no other serious bidder than the Skins, then the price either now or later should be comparatively cheap. And if RGIII is our guy and we can trade up for cheap, that should be a slam dunk for us.

If Tripp is wrong and there are other bidders, we still need to go get RGIII if he is our guy.

If Tannehill is our guy then we should take him at 6.

I have no problem with any of these plans. In the end the Shanny's, not me, have to be comfortable with their choice.

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Can't shake the feeling that it is still way too early to be determining trade price/value. Free agency changes everything. If the Browns sign Flynn, Dolphins get Manning and Seahawks sign a Campbell or Orton then the compeitive price drops to a 1st and 4th plus next year's #1, same as for Manning. Eskin is pretty well dialed into the Eagles but he's far from a Redskins insider so I wouldn't give a whole lot of stock into his price.

I think Shanahan/Allen are smart enough to know that they have to do something to bring a dynamic playmaker to DC for a multitude of reasons. That being the case, they also know that they can't trade an entire draft for him. They will do the right thing regarding RGIII. This isn't the old Snyderatto Redskins who would have given up three first round picks plus Orakpo and Helu. Patience, as hard as it is, is our best asset.

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Just want to let you all know (for those that 'heard' we're really the only team willing to trade up for RG3) Rg3 said that he's already spoken with us, Cleveland, Minnesota, Tampa (?), Miami, Buffalo, San Fran, Jacksonville (?), Kansas City, Philly, to name a few...Sure everyone interviews a lot of people, but damn..thats a lot.

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Im ok with that trade... If we get a quality WR in Free Agency like VJax or Colston. As well as a quality Vetran lineman and a corner.

Redskins with Cap room= Dangerous Danny

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The 3 QB scenarios I'd be happy with/upset if they did not happen.

1. Trade up and draft RGIII
2. Stay at #6 and draft Tannehill, it is a reach but sometimes you just have to say eff it we're pulling the trigger. We need a qb.
3. Trade back late into the 1st round and draft Kirk Cousins (or if they think he'll be available at #39 pick him there.)

Could we actually make the trade now?

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[quote=celts32;889079]Okay so you have it all figured out that the Redskins are the only serious bidder right now. Good to know...I guess there's nothing else to say.[/quote]It's speculation right now that even the Redskins are involved, but per the premise of the rumors, we kind of have to assume that the Redskins are out there alone.

Maybe the Rams have exactly zero serious offers right now for the second pick. Actually, this is even likely right now. Eskin only reported what the Redskins are [I]willing[/I] to do, not what the Rams are going to get.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;889098]Could we actually make the trade now?[/quote]

Handshake agreement only right now.

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[quote=GTripp0012;889101]It's speculation right now that even the Redskins are involved, but per the premise of the rumors, we kind of have to assume that the Redskins are out there alone.

Maybe the Rams have exactly zero serious offers right now for the second pick. Actually, this is even likely right now. Eskin only reported what the Redskins are [I]willing[/I] to do, not what the Rams are going to get.[/quote]

I have read other rumors that the Dolphins, Seahawks and Browns have talked to the Rams also. At this point it's all rumors but it sounded like you are stating as fact or at least that you have inside info that says that the skins are out there alone making outlandish trade offers.

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Free Agency will start soon and that is why there is all of this negotiating and price checking on draft trade scenarios. Teams have to decide what needs they will fill through FA and what they will try and fill in the Draft. With the potential of a good FA QB class, and only two great ones in the draft, teams like the Redskins really want to weigh all options before jumping to far into FA.
I would not believe any rumor, handshake or not. The teams that are interested in Luck and RGIII are all talking to Colts and Rams testing the waters of it would cost to move up. That is all.
I would not be surprised if Rams and Redskins have talk through a trade scenario or two or three and even might come to agreement on terms. That does not mean it will happen. While it is exciting to have twitter and hear the Redskins name in the thick of it. The Colts and Rams will most likely wait until seconds before the time deadline to place the pick in the draft, in order to maximize the value of any trade. The hope for the Rams is a Qb desperate team like us will offer more than market value. It will be a waiting game.
At least our FO is doing their job and getting all of the information they need to choose a FA plan. FA is first.

[QUOTE=Lotus;889102]Handshake agreement only right now.[/QUOTE]

That's what I was thinking

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[IMG]http://p.twimg.com/AmlgwBACEAE1AcX.jpg[/IMG]

Looks like our QB coach is getting a head start.