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[quote=JoLo;914169]Just read that the doctor who performed the surgery on Chase Minnifield was Dr. James Andrews. Thats awesome to hear with the success stories he has had (Drew Brees' shoulder). The consensus is he's just about the best in the business.[/quote]

Thanks for the info, that is good news.

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[quote=JoLo;914169]Just read that the doctor who performed the surgery on Chase Minnifield was Dr. James Andrews. Thats awesome to hear with the success stories he has had (Drew Brees' shoulder). The consensus is he's just about the best in the business.[/quote]

He would have been better off using alternative medicine...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJNYLBIfq8M]"Miyagi Reiki" from The Karate Kid (1984) Columbia Pictures - YouTube[/ame]

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Adam Schefter ‏ @AdamSchefter Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
RT @FuriousTigers: Could you please clear up the Phillip Thomas situation? Is he an Eagle or a Redskin? ... He's an Eagle.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;913839]what about darrell green's son?[/quote]
Why couldn't the Redskins draft the kid with a 7th rounder?
Makes me sad :(

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Philly's GM just said Thomas is an Eagle... I'm gonna take his word

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Probably already posted but the team signed Kirk Cousins fellow senior WR from Michigan Nichol. He's 6'2, 220lbs. He started out at Oklahoma as a QB but would be sitting behind Bradford so he switched schools to Michigan and Cousins beat him out. He then switched his position to WR in order to get playing time. He says he hopes he gets to stay with the team since he can play WR, Special Teams, be a third string QB if need be, and he says if nothing else he's willing to try out at Safety. He's prideful about how he and Cousins are very intelligent.

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You mean Michigan State, this is the dude that caught the hail mary against Wisconsin

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Also, unless something changed, this dude and someone else whose name I can't recall are getting minicamp tryouts. Technically they haven't been signed

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Here's one of the articles.

[url=http://www.redskinshogheaven.com/2012-articles/may/spartans-wide-receiver-keith-nichol-joins-teammate-kirk-cousins-on-the-redskins.html]Spartans wide receiver Keith Nichol joins teammate Kirk Cousins on the Redskins | May[/url]

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Here's the article I read, pretty good read. I think he will be the guy I root for this season... long shot with good attitude and high IQ.

[url=http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2012/05/michigan_states_keith_nichol_s.html]Michigan State's Keith Nichol gets shot with Washington Redskins, hopes 'football IQ' can help him earn NFL roster spot | MLive.com[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;914985]You mean Michigan State, this is the dude that caught the hail mary against Wisconsin[/quote]

Yep sorry. Yeah I think it's just a tryout. Cousins suggested the team bring him in. Who knows maybe he and Cousins make a connection in the preseason games and the team decides to keep him.

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In case some can't open the page for whatever reason....

[QUOTE]“I think it'll be a real good thing for us,” Nichol said of he and Cousins both joining the Redskins. “We're both high IQ football guys. It wasn't the deciding factor that Kirk was there, but that's a bonus.”

He settled on Washington after multiple teams approached him following the draft.

The strong and athletic 6-foot-2, 220-pound Nichol said he felt the Redskins offered him the best opportunity to prove he can be a multi-dimensional threat on the football field at the professional level – as a wide receiver, a special teams contributor, a third-string quarterback or even on defense as a safety.

“I'm going to be very confident,” Nichol said of getting a shot at the NFL. “I won't go in there cocky. I'll be humble and I'll try to show my football IQ and that I can play a lot of positions. I may not have a (defined) position, but if you're a guy who can produce at a lot of spots, you're going to be in the league just as long.”

Nichol, once a prolific high school quarterback, began his college career at Oklahoma, buried on the depth chart behind eventual Heisman Trophy winner and No. 1 overall NFL pick Sam Bradford. He transferred to Michigan State, where he lost an extremely tight battle with Cousins to be the starting quarterback.

He made the transition to catching passes in his final two seasons.

He had 50 receptions for 625 yards and four touchdowns as a Spartan, including the dramatic Hail Mary catch-and-stretch touchdown to defeat Wisconsin at the end of regulation this past season.

He also finished with 826 passing yards and nine touchdowns, accumulating most of that in his sophomore season.

Nichol said he expects to make an NFL roster as a wide receiver.

“I see myself as a guy who can get on the field at wide receiver. I think I've come a long way in two years at that position,” he said. “I've got the size for the NFL, I run very good routes and I'm fast in and out of my breaks.

“I'll play anywhere they want me, though. I feel I would be a third quarterback if teams need that, I play on special teams, and I think I could move over and play safety if I had a chance there,” he added.

Nichol just wants a chance to prove he belongs in the NFL.

“I'm really looking forward to it,” he said. “I know that it's going to be tough in the NFL, but I just want a chance to get out there and prove myself at that level. I want to make that 53-man roster on game days.”[/QUOTE]

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Full UDFA list from Rich Tandler:

[url=http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2012/05/redskins-announce-undrafted-player-signings.html]Redskins announce undrafted player signings - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]
The Redksins have announced that they have signed the following undrafted free agents:

Antwon Bailey, RB, Syracuse
Kelvin Bolden, WR, Southern Miss
Lennon Creer, RB, La. Tech
Grant Garner, C, OK St.
Darius Hanks, WR, Alabama
Donnell Holt, LB, Cal
Monte Lewis, LB, Jacksonville State
Lance Lewis, WR, East Carolina
Vaughn Meatoga, NT, Hawaii
Chase Minnifield, CB, Virginia
Michael Shaw, RB, Michigan

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When does it look Chase Winnfield will be ready to get on the field

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I've been hearing a lot of about this kid Chase Minnifield. His knee injury must have been serious if he went undrafted. Hopefully his mends from the injury and make the other 31 teams regret that they passed on him. He has the ability to play cornerback in the NFL and when healthy he's a first round talent. If this kid can apply himself and make plays in preseason then he might even unseat Josh Wilson opposite D. Hall.

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;913756]Center Grant Garner was not only Big 12 Lineman of the Year, but also a 2011 Remington Award Finalist...

According to Ok.St. info... 6'3 - 304lbs...

In 798 snaps allowed a TOTAL of 2 QB pressures & 1 HALF sack. Also had 42 "knockdown blocks," 7 "domination" blocks, and helped a team avg 171 yds rushing.

Another NICE grab... How did he not get drafted?[/quote]

[url=http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=70000&draftyear=2012&genpos=C]Grant Garner | Oklahoma State, C : 2012 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile[/url]

no kidding...rank 8th center in the draft here. seems solid, great pick up

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[quote=jamf;914179]Why couldn't the Redskins draft the kid with a 7th rounder?
Makes me sad :([/quote]

He's on the panthers

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;915007]I've been hearing a lot of about this kid Chase Minnifield. His knee injury must have been serious if he went undrafted. Hopefully his mends from the injury and make the other 31 teams regret that they passed on him. He has the ability to play cornerback in the NFL and when healthy he's a first round talent. If this kid can apply himself and make plays in preseason then he might even unseat Josh Wilson opposite D. Hall.[/quote]

From what I read he graded as a 2nd or 3rd rounder prior to the injury, but still, to snag him as a UDFA will be a steal if he comes back 100% or close to it.

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[quote=GMScud;915038]From what I read he graded as a 2nd or 3rd rounder prior to the injury, but still, to snag him as a UDFA will be a steal if he comes back 100% or close to it.[/quote]

I can tell you that 80% of the players drafted in the 2nd and 3rd rounds from previous drafts are no longer in the league, which is also a real possibility for Minnifield. If Minnifield was a 2-3 round talent then he would have gone there, or atleast would have gotten drafted. He didn't. Theres a reason 32 teams passed him up in the draft, and thought that 253 players were better than him.


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Injury red flags knocked him out of the draft. It happens.

If healthy he was definitely draftable.

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04/25/2012 - Former Virginia defensive back Chase Minnifield is recovering slower than expected from his January knee arthroscopy, which reports indicate included a microfracture procedure, but he expects it will lead to an improved final result. "I am getting better every day and I only have trace swelling," Minnifield told NFLDraftScout.com. "My doctor, James Andrews, made a report that all NFL teams received. They know. I am not 100 percent, but I will be." Minnifield would not confirm he had microfracture during his January 3 knee scope, but said he was familiar with the procedure. Multiple league sources confirm that medical reports said he had the procedure. Team reactions have been mixed. Minnifield, once projected as
a second round draft prospect, has dropped two or more rounds on some boards and at least one team said he is off their draft list now. "We know this procedure is designed to enhance recovery and make the knee more sound," reported one team executive. "We also know it takes time." Despite Minnifield's desire for a rapid recovery, studies on NBA players who had microfracture indicate that a slow, deliberate rehabilitation yields the best results, although some individuals respond quicker than others. Microfracture is a procedure developed in the late 1980s by famed Vail, Colorado orthopedic surgeon Richard Steadman. Dr. Andrews, whose clinic attended Minnifield, advocates a version of that procedure. It is an arthroscopic procedure that is done in conjunction with a traditional clean-out, which is what Minnifield said he had. - Frank Cooney, The Sports Xchange

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[quote=CultBrennan59;915093]I can tell you that 80% of the players drafted in the 2nd and 3rd rounds from previous drafts are no longer in the league, which is also a real possibility for Minnifield. If Minnifield was a 2-3 round talent then he would have gone there, or atleast would have gotten drafted. He didn't. Theres a reason 32 teams passed him up in the draft, and thought that 253 players were better than him.

[/quote]

Yeah notice I used the phrase "prior to the injury."

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^ yeah I know, what I'm saying is that guys can get injured and if teams like them or want to take a chance on them they'll still go get them. He just wasn't that good before the injury. A lot of teams had him graded low before his injury, some think he was overrated.

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So signing him as a UDFA was a good move by us a WIN WIN. He makes the Team it's a WIN didn't cost a pick or alot of $$, if he dosen't make the team it's a WIN didn't cost us a pick or alot of $$.

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Well, its never too early to start hatting on our secondary, even if he hasnt made the team. Move over Carlos, Laron, D Hall, Reed, please welcome Chase

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[quote=CultBrennan59;915093][B]I can tell you that 80% of the players drafted in the 2nd and 3rd rounds from previous drafts are no longer in the league, which is also a real possibility for Minnifield. [/B]If Minnifield was a 2-3 round talent then he would have gone there, or atleast would have gotten drafted. He didn't. Theres a reason 32 teams passed him up in the draft, and thought that 253 players were better than him.[/quote]

You can tell us that but you would be blatantly, utterly, incontrovertibly wrong. Unless you're talking about 2nd and 3rd rounders drafted in before 2002.

2011: 31 of 31 2nd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.
30 of 32 3rd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.

2010: 29 of 32 2nd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.
23 of 33 3rd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.

2009: 29 of 32 2nd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.
27 of 35 3rd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.

2008: 26 of 31 2nd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.
27 of 35 3rd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.

2007: 27 of 32 2nd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.
15 of 34 3rd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.

2006: 26 of 32 2nd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.
17 of 33 3rd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/]NFL Draft History and AFL Drafts - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

I stopped b/c, even from drafts [I]six years ago[/I], two thirds of the players drafted in the 2nd and 3rd were still in the league at the end of last year. Of the 2nd and 3rd rounders drafted four years ago, more than 80% were still in the league at the end of 2011.

If Minnifield [I]was[/I] a 2nd or 3rd round talent knocked out of the draft due to injury concerns (1) it wouldn't be the first time that had happened only to have the player come back and be a solid contributor; and (2) if we get 2nd or 3rd round production from Minnifield we have a pretty good shot at many serviciable years.

Sorry, the inanity of your 80% assertion was just to blatant to let pass.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;915122]^ yeah I know, what I'm saying is that guys can get injured and if teams like them or want to take a chance on them they'll still go get them. He just wasn't that good before the injury. A lot of teams had him graded low before his injury, some think he was overrated.[/quote]

Where are you getting this from?

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[quote=SmootSmack;915128]Where are you getting this from?[/quote]

I believe his butt.

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Ha!

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[url=http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=70992&draftyear=2012&genpos=CB]Chase Minnifield | Virginia, CB : 2012 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile[/url]

Projected rd 4-5

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Last year Chase played: SI.com Honorable Mention All-American … first-team All-ACC … started all 12 games … finished year No. 2 in the ACC and No. 7 nationally with six INTs … twice during season was named honorable mention for the Jim Thorpe Defensive Back of the Week honor.

He is that good.

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[quote=Chico23231;915135]Last year Chase played: SI.com Honorable Mention All-American … first-team All-ACC … started all 12 games … finished year No. 2 in the ACC and No. 7 nationally with six INTs … twice during season was named honorable mention for the Jim Thorpe Defensive Back of the Week honor.

He is that good.[/quote]

And we got him for basically nothing that's a WIN.

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[quote=SmootSmack;915128]Where are you getting this from?[/quote]probably from the fact that he was not drafted after someone like bruce carter got drafted in the 2nd round

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[quote=JoeRedskin;915127]You can tell us that but you would be blatantly, utterly, incontrovertibly wrong. Unless you're talking about 2nd and 3rd rounders drafted in before 2002.

2011: 31 of 31 2nd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.
30 of 32 3rd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.

2010: 29 of 32 2nd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.
23 of 33 3rd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.

2009: 29 of 32 2nd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.
27 of 35 3rd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.

2008: 26 of 31 2nd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.
27 of 35 3rd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.

2007: 27 of 32 2nd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.
15 of 34 3rd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.

2006: 26 of 32 2nd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.
17 of 33 3rd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/]NFL Draft History and AFL Drafts - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

I stopped b/c, even from drafts [I]six years ago[/I], two thirds of the players drafted in the 2nd and 3rd were still in the league at the end of last year. Of the 2nd and 3rd rounders drafted four years ago, more than 80% were still in the league at the end of 2011.

If Minnifield [I]was[/I] a 2nd or 3rd round talent knocked out of the draft due to injury concerns (1) it wouldn't be the first time that had happened only to have the player come back and be a solid contributor; and (2) if we get 2nd or 3rd round production from Minnifield we have a pretty good shot at many serviciable years.

Sorry, the inanity of your 80% assertion was just to blatant to let pass.[/quote]

Damn ya got me! I was just guesstimating, wow I'm surprised by those numbers, more so from 2008 and backward.

As for those asking about where I heard rumors of Minnifield. Profootballweekly grades out players who are rising and falling. They said that multiple scouts were trying "to like minnifield, because of his NFL bloodlines, but flat out just don't like him--" One scout they talked to said he wouldn't touch him until the "7th atleast"

On twitter Matt Miller of nfldraftscout.com had Minnifield out of the draft, and said he was "one of the most overrated players in the draft.

Someone else I read (I want to say it was a foxsports or scout.com guy not sure though) said something along the lines of "I have never had a guy rated so highly one year and then so low the next." (I'm not 100% sure if this article or post came out before or after his surgery.)


So yeah I heard a reasonable amount to form that opinion.

I'm glad we didn't draft him, and like you all say I'm glad we signed him for nothing and its a win win for us. But I'm just saying theres a reason guys go undrafted, injury or not, because if a team is high on a player and that player gets injured they'll get him (Cardinals with Obrien Schofield with his torn ACL; Eagles with Jack/Jake Iwgegawnu the CB from Wisconsin who tore his ACL; Lions with Broyles and his torn ACL). And quiet simply this guy was rated as a 2-4th rounder like the guys above were. Difference is that those guys went in those rounds still, and he didn't go in any round. We need CB's and I hope he's great to help out our team, but all I'm saying is don't expect me to put "Minnifield" down on my final 53 man roster anytime soon.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;915122]^ yeah I know, what I'm saying is that guys can get injured and if teams like them or want to take a chance on them they'll still go get them. He just wasn't that good before the injury. A lot of teams had him graded low before his injury, some think he was overrated.[/quote]

It all depends on the injury. Microfracture surgery, which is what Minnifield had, leads to problematic statistical chances of a full healing. It is this element of heavy risk - not Minnifield's All-ACC play - that left him undrafted.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;915149]As for those asking about where I heard rumors of Minnifield. Profootballweekly grades out players who are rising and falling. They said that multiple scouts were trying "to like minnifield, because of his NFL bloodlines, but flat out just don't like him--" One scout they talked to said he wouldn't touch him until the "7th atleast"

On twitter Matt Miller of nfldraftscout.com had Minnifield out of the draft, and said he was "one of the most overrated players in the draft.

Someone else I read (I want to say it was a foxsports or scout.com guy not sure though) said something along the lines of "I have never had a guy rated so highly one year and then so low the next." (I'm not 100% sure if this article or post came out before or after his surgery.)


[B]So yeah I heard a reasonable amount to form that opinion[/B].[/quote]

So what you "heard" was public information from 2nd and 3rd hand sources saying that some unnamed scouts rated him poorly injury or no. Fine. To me, it seemed to come across as you had some inside knowledge from several scouts with whom you had personally spoken.

Minnifield looks like a good UFDA signing. A talented guy who likely would have been drafted if the injury had not occurred. As with you, b/c of the injury concerns, glad we didn't spend a pick on him. At the same time, I am encouraged both by the various reports on the surgery performed and his production in the college ranks.

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[QUOTE]The breakdown of the roster was five first year players, nine drafted rookies, 12 undrafted college free agents, and 36 tryouts.
[/QUOTE]

I want to know who the 36 try outs are. We can guess the 5 first yr players, we can guess the 9 drafted Rookies, and we have the list of the 12 UDFA's, who the hell are the 36 try outs? I know of 1.... Keith Nichol WR as has been mentioned he was invited.

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[quote=joeredskin;915127]you can tell us that but you would be blatantly, utterly, incontrovertibly wrong. Unless you're talking about 2nd and 3rd rounders drafted in before 2002.

2011: 31 of 31 2nd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.
30 of 32 3rd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.

2010: 29 of 32 2nd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.
23 of 33 3rd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.

2009: 29 of 32 2nd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.
27 of 35 3rd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.

2008: 26 of 31 2nd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.
27 of 35 3rd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.

2007: 27 of 32 2nd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.
15 of 34 3rd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.

2006: 26 of 32 2nd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.
17 of 33 3rd rounders were on the roster at the end of 2011.

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/]nfl draft history and afl drafts - pro-football-reference.com[/url]

i stopped b/c, even from drafts [i]six years ago[/i], two thirds of the players drafted in the 2nd and 3rd were still in the league at the end of last year. Of the 2nd and 3rd rounders drafted four years ago, more than 80% were still in the league at the end of 2011.

If minnifield [i]was[/i] a 2nd or 3rd round talent knocked out of the draft due to injury concerns (1) it wouldn't be the first time that had happened only to have the player come back and be a solid contributor; and (2) if we get 2nd or 3rd round production from minnifield we have a pretty good shot at many serviciable years.

Sorry, the inanity of your 80% assertion was just to blatant to let pass.[/quote]

pwned

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I'll tell you who's going to be a straight up baller...Michael Shaw...mark it down, he's going to be starting by week 3 for the Redskins. I guarantee it!!....oh wait...

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[quote=SmootSmack;915128]Where are you getting this from?[/quote]

Maybe he meant 80% of the players drafted named Colt are out of the league.

Colt McCoy - in
Colt Brennan - out
Colt Anderson - out
Jeff Colter - out
George Colton - out


That's 80%.

According to pro-football-reference.com, that's the whole list.