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You don't give up what our FO gave up for Griffin then haggle over language.
I'm putting this on FO to get this deal done.

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[quote=30gut;924707]You don't give up what our FO gave up for Griffin then haggle over language.
I'm putting this on FO to get this deal done.[/quote]

I'll bet that Griff's agent is making exactly the same argument.

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If teams are waiting around for each other to hold fast or bend, on letting players make more money on their own in endorsements and such, is it wrong to think: "Danny can afford it. Let's give the other team owners the middle finger for Capgate."

Supposedly the reason most owners were mad at Snyder and Jerrah Jones, is not just that the Skins and Cows were using the uncapped year to dump salary. It was because 1.) The Skins and Cows were in essence paying their players more than most teams were willing to or could, by opening their checkbooks the uncapped year and still spending as much as they could in cap years. And 2.) The big money that Wash and Dallass were paying out, made contract negotiations between other teams and their players at that time harder to reach. In effect, the Skins and Cows were shaking their wealth at other teams' faces.

Well, since the league gave us the middle finger with the cap penalty, with an overwhelming majority of owners voting to screw us, I'd like to see the Skins sign Griffin to a deal where not only do they not restrict Griffin making extra money, they help all our players to get more appearances and more advertising deals to help themselves and sometimes the Skins outside of NFL business.

Jerrah Jones did this to some extent with his Pepsi deal back in the mid '90s. Let's do it with outside-the-nfl endorsements to give our players more money, make our team more attractive to free agents, and shoot back a middle finger at the owners that screwed us.

Yes it's another reason for other owners to hate us, and some owners may really be going through tough times. But after Capgate, I'd say those owners have some apologizing to do to Snyder and Jones, for breaking their own rules over Mara's screwjob. And if push comes to shove, the league would be just as good with say 28 teams rather than 32 teams if some of those teams go under.

Does this make sense? Is it petty? Would it backfire?

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It'll be done by tomorrow no worries. Hell, I wouldn't even throw out by the end of tonight to be honest.

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[quote=InsaneBoost;924744]It'll be done by tomorrow no worries. Hell, I wouldn't even throw out by the end of tonight to be honest.[/quote]That would be cool.
Although its only rookie camp (no pads, no contact) if Griffin shows up you gotta expect the entire focus will be getting him up to or ahead of the guys showing up on the July,25.

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Eh, may not happen as I thought. Still should be sometime soon, but maybe a couple days. Still would say this week for sure. Originally heard Monday though (as he's confirmed).

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The Redskins didn't draft Griffin III and give up so much for him if they didn't intend to make him a franchise quarterback and give him pay equivalent to that role. He'll be in camp on time.

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if it is the offset that is stopping these top draft picks from signing, that sure seems like a bizarre spot to pick a fight. I didn't really think it would drag into one day of RGIII, Luck, or any of the others missing a day, rookie report or otherwise.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;924761]if it is the offset that is stopping these top draft picks from signing, that sure seems like a bizarre spot to pick a fight. I didn't really think it would drag into one day of RGIII, Luck, or any of the others missing a day, rookie report or otherwise.[/quote]

I agree. I wonder if the drama isn't agent-driven. If there is nothing to fight about, there's no real reason to have an agent...so perhaps agents will pick any battle that they can find, no matter how small.

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[quote=Lotus;924708]I'll bet that Griff's agent is making exactly the same argument.[/quote]

Yah +1

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My 2 cents...

(1) The Colts realize that the language of their contract with Luck will set the precedent for the language in the other top contracts.
The Colts don't open camp until July 28.
They gain nothing by signing Luck before the 28th and also get to put the teams waiting on them at a competitive disadvantage.

(2) The specualtion is the contract hinges on offset language within the contract.
Especially in our case it makes no sense to haggle over such contract language.
We gave up alot to get Griffin everyone knows he's our guy.
If we end up cutting Griffin a few million is the least of our problems.
And the Panthers (who also have an early camp) already signed their 9th pick without the offset language.

(3) We cannot/must not wait on Luck.
Its up to the FO to get this deal done, asap.
They need to think for themselves and set their own precedent.
If they wait on Luck, Griff might not be at camp til the 28/29.

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[quote=HailGreen28;924739]If teams are waiting around for each other to hold fast or bend, on letting players make more money on their own in endorsements and such, is it wrong to think: "Danny can afford it. Let's give the other team owners the middle finger for Capgate."

Supposedly the reason most owners were mad at Snyder and Jerrah Jones, is not just that the Skins and Cows were using the uncapped year to dump salary. It was because 1.) The Skins and Cows were in essence paying their players more than most teams were willing to or could, by opening their checkbooks the uncapped year and still spending as much as they could in cap years. And 2.) The big money that Wash and Dallass were paying out, made contract negotiations between other teams and their players at that time harder to reach. In effect, the Skins and Cows were shaking their wealth at other teams' faces.

Well, since the league gave us the middle finger with the cap penalty, with an overwhelming majority of owners voting to screw us, I'd like to see the Skins sign Griffin to a deal where not only do they not restrict Griffin making extra money, they help all our players to get more appearances and more advertising deals to help themselves and sometimes the Skins outside of NFL business.

Jerrah Jones did this to some extent with his Pepsi deal back in the mid '90s. Let's do it with outside-the-nfl endorsements to give our players more money, make our team more attractive to free agents, and shoot back a middle finger at the owners that screwed us.

Yes it's another reason for other owners to hate us, and some owners may really be going through tough times. But after Capgate, I'd say those owners have some apologizing to do to Snyder and Jones, for breaking their own rules over Mara's screwjob. And if push comes to shove, the league would be just as good with say 28 teams rather than 32 teams if some of those teams go under.

Does this make sense? Is it petty? Would it backfire?[/quote]

The other owners may have seen it that way. However, our approach to the uncapped year wasnt done out of spite to the other owners. It was the first big pill needed to 'correct' the ship. It enabled current management(Allen) to move the organization forward while being fiscally responsible. IMO, Allen represents a focus on long term wins, not ticket sales. We're still obviously feeling the side effects of that medicine, but it is more likely to work than the previous model.

In that light, i cant see Allen deciding to make poor business decisions just to shake their collective burgundy fists at other owners. He's smarter than that. (minus the Garcon contract)

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RGIII will miss one practice session, if any. It's the spirit of negotiating...

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[quote=RGIII;924771]RGIII will miss one practice session, if any. It's the spirit of negotiating...[/quote]

That's right. Low stress. Negotiating is fun. It's very human.

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[quote=Lotus;924762]I agree. I wonder if the drama isn't agent-driven. If there is nothing to fight about, there's no real reason to have an agent...so perhaps agents will pick any battle that they can find, no matter how small.[/quote]

Yup, also if there is an offset clause, I would imagine if it ever is invoked that means the agent is the one really losing out, so I can see them fighting tooth and nail to keep it out.

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Looking at [URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/09/nfl-training-camp-reporting-dates/"]Rookie reporting dates[/URL], anyone know why ours is so early (not like the Bills though, their rookies reported on the 9th...)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;924779]Yup, also if there is an offset clause, I would imagine if it ever is invoked that means the agent is the one really losing out, so I can see them fighting tooth and nail to keep it out.[/quote]

Good point.

Like the sig.

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What about LeRibEye? Certainly he is not squabbling over offset language, is he?

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[quote=Lotus;924815]What about LeRibEye? Certainly he is not squabbling over offset language, is he?[/quote]

The top of the 3rd round has it's equivalent squabble:

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1248192-why-are-there-so-many-3rd-round-nfl-draft-picks-that-are-still-unsigned]Why Are There so Many 3rd-Round NFL Draft Picks That Are Still Unsigned? | Bleacher Report[/url]

and

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--nfl-picks-drafted-in-third-round-and-later-aren-t-cashing-in-with-max-deals-.html]Numerous NFL picks drafted in third round and later not cashing in with max deals - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Again it seems like a bit of change that the agents are fighting tooth and nail for.

I assume that once the penalties for holding out kick in these type disputes will be quickly put to rest.

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[quote=Lotus;924815]What about LeRibEye? Certainly he is not squabbling over offset language, is he?[/quote]

He wants unlimited free dining at all DC area Outbacks but the FO wont budge.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;924821]He wants unlimited free dining at all DC area Outbacks but the FO wont budge.[/quote]

That is a sticking point worth fighting for. Their wheat bread is fantastic.

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[quote=mbedner3420;924822]That is a sticking point worth fighting for. Their wheat bread is fantastic.[/quote]

Don't bring back the painful memories of my first job. And it's actually pumpernickel. ;)

It's awesome is what it is!

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What's baffling to me is why is it taking so long sign Josh LeRibeus. He was a third round draft pick. If Griffin's contract situation is close to him signing, then what about LeRibeus?

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;924933]What's baffling to me is why is it taking so long sign Josh LeRibeus. He was a third round draft pick. If Griffin's contract situation is close to him signing, then what about LeRibeus?[/quote]

Try reading back just a few posts.

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Will be interesting to see what if anything the Bucs do with Mark Barron (#7 pick). Their rookies are permitted to report tomorrow. After that, we're looking at the Browns/Trent Richardson, whose rookies report July 24. Colts rookies report the next day, July 25. In my opinion, that's the day the offset-language chips fall where they may (and just in time for Redskins camp).

It would of course be ideal to have RGIII in there now, but the Redskins FO has to have seen this coming - especially after they set such an early date for rookies to report as compared to the Colts.

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FFS Griff, get your young ass in camp!

Camp hasn't started

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[quote=redskins5044;925103]Camp hasn't started[/quote]True, but Mattyk posted a link in "Redskin News" about workouts this week:

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/robert-griffin-iii-a-no-show-as-rookies-report-to-redskins-park/2012/07/16/gJQAp44bpW_blog.html"]Robert Griffin III a no-show as rookies report to Redskins Park - The Insider - The Washington Post[/URL]

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[quote=30gut;924767]My 2 cents...

(1) The Colts realize that the language of their contract with Luck will set the precedent for the language in the other top contracts.
The Colts don't open camp until July 28.
They gain nothing by signing Luck before the 28th and also get to put the teams waiting on them at a competitive disadvantage.

(2) The specualtion is the contract hinges on offset language within the contract.
Especially in our case it makes no sense to haggle over such contract language.
We gave up alot to get Griffin everyone knows he's our guy.
If we end up cutting Griffin a few million is the least of our problems.
And the Panthers (who also have an early camp) already signed their 9th pick without the offset language.

(3) We cannot/must not wait on Luck.
Its up to the FO to get this deal done, asap.
They need to think for themselves and set their own precedent.
If they wait on Luck, Griff might not be at camp til the 28/29.[/quote]

great post, i completely agree. it's up to our front office to get this done. i would hate nothing more than for griff to be on the sidelines next thursday, should be done by now, has to be done by then.

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What sucks is we are waiting on the Colts.

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I guess there is no update on RGIII signing status as of now? I sure hope we are not waiting on the Colts to sign Luck and then fight over some stupid language that probably will not even come into question during the contract. Don't we know what his max is? Give him the deal and do what ever it takes to get him in.

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Griffin is already going to match Von Miller's deal last year and he's slated to get a larger signing bonus than what Miller got. But none of the first 8 draft picks have signed yet. If Griffin is waiting for Luck, hopefully he won't have to wait long.

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Those are the reports. None of the top picks will sign until Luck's deal is done. Indy doesn't report till the end of the month.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;925153]Those are the reports. None of the top picks will sign until Luck's deal is done. Indy doesn't report till the end of the month.[/quote]

I've got it on pretty good authority RGIII will sign today...meant to tell y'all yesterday but I fell asleep

[url]http://twitter.com/RGIII/status/225559110794493952[/url]

Apparently it is done?

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[quote=jbcjr14;925159][url=http://twitter.com/RGIII/status/225559110794493952]Twitter / RGIII: Well people....It's Time t[/url]

Apparently it is done?[/quote]

Ha! Well, I guess there's no better source than that. Good find

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Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
Good morning: Redskins signed RG3.

This is great news to get this out of the way and get down to business. Should be a fun and exciting 2012 season for all of Redskin Nation!

[QUOTE=Mattyk;925162]Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
Good morning: Redskins signed RG3.[/QUOTE]

For those looking for a link...
[url]http://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/225560875359154177[/url]