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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;922846]Was scanning through this thread, and if this doesn't define the lack of any relevant topics between mini camps and trainging camp I don't know what will.[/quote]

We're definitely in the dead zone of the offseason.

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[quote=SmootSmack;922895][url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/6/26/3118340/revisiting-brandon-banks-2011-season-should-his-job-be-in-jeopardy]Revisiting Brandon Banks' 2011 Season; Should His Job be in Jeopardy? - Hogs Haven[/url][/quote]

If the Redskins end up parting ways with Brandon Banks, another team will sign him and he will go on to have pro bowl seasons year in and year out.

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ya, that seems to be the trend. We give up too soon in favor of older proven players that dont go to the pro bowl after coming here.

Ah, but this HAS changed in the past two years. This year I feel we will become a competitive team that is more fun to watch than painful, even if just for the youth movement and optimism.

GO SKINS!!!!!

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;922909]If the Redskins end up parting ways with Brandon Banks, another team will sign him and he will go on to have pro bowl seasons year in and year out.[/quote]

While he is explosive he is no more then an average return man.

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Yeah now that the secrets out about his speed, I didn't see much from him last year

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[quote=firstdown;922913]While he is explosive he is no more then an average return man.[/quote]

But Banks has potential. On another special teams unit he could prove to be what Devin Hester was back in 2006.

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Potential does not make a pro bowler

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[quote=SmootSmack;922926]Potential does not make a pro bowler[/quote]

Nope. Besides, teams adjusted, and depending on who you ask, either Banks or the special teams coaches never adjusted back. They know how to play his speed now. He's not particularly agile either, and that doesn't help.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;922924]But Banks has potential. On another special teams unit he could prove to be what Devin Hester was back in 2006.[/quote]

:laughing2:laughing-:rofl:

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I think after years of of watching ARE run backwards on kick returns; anybody looks good now.

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[quote=mredskins;922935]I think after years of of watching ARE run backwards on kick returns; anybody looks good now.[/quote]

I don't often recall ARE running backwards... but that could be because he spent most of his time fair catching for me to notice.

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[quote=mbedner3420;922938]I don't often recall ARE running backwards... but that could be because he spent most of his time fair catching for me to notice.[/quote]

He did and alot of side to side. He lead in the most yards ran and the lowest yards gained.

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In ARE's defense, the blocking was awful most times. That's got to get to you if you're back there knowing hell is coming at you.

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[quote=mooby;922929]Nope. Besides, teams adjusted, and depending on who you ask, either Banks or the special teams coaches never adjusted back. They know how to play his speed now. He's not particularly agile either, and that doesn't help.[/quote]

Banks has a 40 time of 4.23. I remember speedsters like Willie Gault, Renaldo Neimiah, our own Darrell Green, and Ron Brown from way back in the days. These men had world class speed and broke a punt return for a TD or for a long gain almost every time they fielded a punt. With the exception of Green and maybe Gault, Banks is just about as fast if not faster than those other punt returners were during that era. Why Banks only returns punts for touchdowns during preseason only is beyond me.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;922993][B]Banks has a 40 time of 4.23[/B]. I remember speedsters like Willie Gault, Renaldo Neimiah, our own Darrell Green, and Ron Brown from way back in the days. These men had world class speed and broke a punt return for a TD or for a long gain almost every time they fielded a punt. With the exception of Green and maybe Gault, Banks is just about as fast if not faster than those other punt returners were during that era. Why Banks only returns punts for touchdowns during preseason only is beyond me.[/quote]

Show me where, because I am sure he ran a 4.5.

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Billy White Shoes Johnson he aint.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;922993]Banks has a 40 time of 4.23. I remember speedsters like Willie Gault, Renaldo Neimiah, our own Darrell Green, and Ron Brown from way back in the days. These men had world class speed and broke a punt return for a TD or for a long gain almost every time they fielded a punt. With the exception of Green and maybe Gault, Banks is just about as fast if not faster than those other punt returners were during that era. Why Banks only returns punts for touchdowns during preseason only is beyond me.[/quote]

I think you're really overvaluing the careers that Gault and Nehemiah had

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;922993]Banks has a 40 time of 4.23. I remember speedsters like Willie Gault, Renaldo Neimiah, our own Darrell Green, and Ron Brown from way back in the days. These men had world class speed and broke a punt return for a TD or for a long gain almost every time they fielded a punt. With the exception of Green and maybe Gault, Banks is just about as fast if not faster than those other punt returners were during that era. Why Banks only returns punts for touchdowns during preseason only is beyond me.[/quote]

I'm not old enough to remember who you're talking about, but Banks only has straight-line speed. If he can get a decent enough hole to get through he can make big plays. But you never notice him weaving through crowds or making guys miss the way Hester does. Guys know if they maintain gap control and get a hand on him he's easy to contain. It's just a matter of them maintaing focus at that point.

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[quote=Mechanix544;922839]Are you by any chance Rod Smart?????[/quote]

lol nice

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[quote=SmootSmack;923044]I think you're really overvaluing the careers that Gault and Nehemiah had[/quote]

The point that I'm making is Gault was still considered a dangerous return man during his days in the NFL. So was Renaldo. Sometimes speed doesn't always translate into pro owl visits for special teams returners. Banks, in my opinion, still hasn't lived up to his potential.

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But neither did all that much in their careers...do just how dangerous were they really?

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[quote=SmootSmack;923149]But neither did all that much in their careers...do just how dangerous were they really?[/quote]

Both Renaldo Nehemiah and Willie Gault were considered dangerous return men during that era only because they both had world class speed. However, neither one of them never returned a punt or a kickoff for a touchdown during their playing careers. Brandon Banks is a cut above them because he's done both.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;923304][B]Both Renaldo Nehemiah and Willie Gault were considered dangerous return men during that era only because they both had world class speed. [/B]However, neither one of them never returned a punt or a kickoff for a touchdown during their playing careers. Brandon Banks is a cut above them because he's done both.[/quote]

No they weren't. I remember both of them and thought your statement might have some merit so I checked the stats. ... They were both fast but that's as far as the comparison goes.

Nehemiah was barely a blip in the league. He played three years and had a [I]total[/I] of 43 receptions in that time - that's not even averaging a catch a game. Further, according to Pro Football Reference, , he never returned a kick-off or punt. NEVER.

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/N/NeheRe00.htm]Renaldo Nehemiah NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

So, while I grant you Banks is a better returner that Nehemiah, that is just not saying much of anything b/c Nehemiah was never used as a returner.

On the other hand, Gualt was a dangerous player - at wide receiver. Gualt was [I]primarily[/I] a WR who returned kicks on occasion. In his entire 10 year career, he returned only [I]9[/I] punts and 45 kickoffs. All of his punt returns were when he was a rookie ('83). Most of his kickoff returns were in his rookie year (13) and in '85 (22) and there were 5 years where he didn't return a single kick off.

At wide receiver, however, Gualt was a deep ball threat. While he averaged only 33 catches a year over his ten year career, he [I]averaged[/I] 19.9 yards per reception (amazing numbers even today!) and scored 44 touchdowns - 14 in his first two years in the league.

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GaulWi00.htm]Willie Gault NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

So, while Banks may be the better returner (By the way, PFR shows he has only one TD on a kick off return and no punt return TD's - when did he get his PR TD?), he is not anywhere near "a cut above" Gault as a WR - Gault's primary position. Gault scored 13 more TD's than Banks at the same point in his career. As a returner, Gualt was pedestrian and, accordingly, wasn't used as such. So, like Nehemiah, the comparison is really not applicable and, in my opinion, not particularly persuasive.

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BankBr00.htm]Brandon Banks NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

Bottom line, Banks has yet to show he can consistently be a game breaker at returner like Hester and has shown nothing as a WR to date. I like the guy, but he will not be on this team come opening day and likely will be out of the league by next year's opening day.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;922993]Banks has a 40 time of 4.23[/quote]

[IMG]http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/423/untitle.JPG[/IMG]

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[quote=NC_Skins;923330]No.[/quote]Yeah, best realistic 40 time I could find for Brandon Banks is 4.43.[URL="http://www.muscleprodigy.com/fastest-40-yard-dash-times-in-nfl-history-arcl-1122.html"] Link[/URL]

But that was Banks from the starting line, going the opposite way around the world to the finish line. Scientists haven't developed a measurement small enough to measure the amount of time Brandon runs a straight 40 time. He runs the 40 in far less than a picosecond! :cheeky-sm

Interestingly, by my link Moss used to be capable of running a 4.31. I think the figures before digital timing should be thrown out, even Green's mark.

I still say Banks is our best return option. If only we could avoid block-in-the-back penalties.

edit: Had to throw this pic up while reading, lol. [IMG]http://nflredskins.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/banks03-next2moss.jpg[/IMG]

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I get the point of making Banks more valuable to the team being able to contribute more on offense but, which other WRs or DBs on the team are willing and showing promise returning kicks and/or punts?

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[quote=RGIII;923362]I get the point of making Banks more valuable to the team being able to contribute more on offense but, which other WRs or DBs on the team are willing and showing promise returning kicks and/or punts?[/quote]

Regardless of how fast he is, Banks could contribute to the offense. His playing capacity would definitely be questioned considering the wide receivers who are ahead of him on the depth chart. However, he's too small and probably would be used as a decoy or a slot receiver. The more stronger players on defense could punish him every time he got the ball. But since Banks is elusive, he might not get hit much. That's if he's able to make the team at WR......

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;923486]Regardless of how fast he is, Banks could contribute to the offense. His playing capacity would definitely be questioned considering the wide receivers who are ahead of him on the depth chart. However, he's too small and probably would be used as a decoy or a slot receiver. The more stronger players on defense could punish him every time he got the ball. [B]But since Banks is elusive[/B], he might not get hit much. That's if he's able to make the team at WR......[/quote]

IMO Banks is not elusive. He's just fast, that's all, and that is not the same as elusive. Watch him on his past kick returns - he doesn't really make people miss. Someone who really makes people miss is elusive.

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[quote=Lotus;923489]IMO Banks is not elusive. He's just fast, that's all, and that is not the same as elusive. Watch him on his past kick returns - he doesn't really make people miss. Someone who really makes people miss is elusive.[/quote]

No, he doesn't use many juke moves, but surely he can outrun almost anyone on the football field. He's just not durable enough to play every down on offense. I'd like to see him being used in certain situations though.

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[quote=Lotus;923489]IMO Banks is not elusive. He's just fast, that's all, and that is not the same as elusive. Watch him on his past kick returns - he doesn't really make people miss. Someone who really makes people miss is elusive.[/quote]

No he's not elusive, because he's not terribly quick and lacks vision. Top end speed is his only weapon.

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[quote=The Goat;923698]No he's not elusive, because he's not terribly quick and lacks vision. Top end speed is his only weapon.[/quote]

You and I both agree on something.

[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;923486]Regardless of how fast he is, Banks could contribute to the offense. His playing capacity would definitely be questioned considering the wide receivers who are ahead of him on the depth chart. However, he's too small and probably would be used as a decoy or a slot receiver. The more stronger players on defense could punish him every time he got the ball. But since Banks is elusive, he might not get hit much. That's if he's able to make the team at WR......[/QUOTE]

I think he would eventually get destroyed. Returning kicks or punts is different than lining up and playing offense. In the former you see what's coming towards you while in the latter you don't.

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Since Banks is fast, he could be used on reverses and the bubble screens that were used at Baylor for RG3. The coaches would have to find a way to use him much like in the New England game last year when Banks tossed a TD pass to Moss.

[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;923845]Since Banks is fast, he could be used on reverses and the bubble screens that were used at Baylor for RG3. The coaches would have to find a way to use him much like in the New England game last year when Banks tossed a TD pass to Moss.[/QUOTE]

That was the play of the year for us by far

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I've lost faith in Banks. Unless he proves something this preseason, he's not worth the cap and roster space. In a league where kickoffs are touchbacks up to 45% of the time, can't see a reason to keep an underperforming smaller injury-prone one-hit wonder who recently had off-field issues.

He's the lightest player in the NFL, so pound-for-pound -- we're overpaying.

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[quote=hooskins;923729]I think he would eventually get destroyed. Returning kicks or punts is different than lining up and playing offense. In the former[B] you see what's coming towards [/B]you while in the latter you don't.[/quote]

Not always:
[IMG]http://www.fantasticalfootball.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Niles-Paul-hits-Austin-Pettis.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.ballhogsradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Niles-Paul.jpg[/IMG]

*pics from 2 different hits, classic. :laughing2

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[quote=Monkeydad;923923]*pics from 2 different hits, classic. :laughing2[/quote]if those are 2 different hits, i'm larry bowie

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[quote=los panda;923924]if those are 2 different hits, i'm larry bowie[/quote]

Didn't see that game, Larry?

Paul destroyed Austin Pettis TWICE on punt returns...got flagged and I believe fined too.

Pettis refused to call for fair catches.

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[quote=Monkeydad;923925]Didn't see that game, Larry?

Paul destroyed Austin Pettis TWICE on punt returns...got flagged and I believe fined too.

Pettis refused to call for fair catches.[/quote]the 2 pics you originally posted were of the same hit. before you edited the post, changing 1 pic and adding the vid

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[quote=ethat001;923867]I've lost faith in Banks. Unless he proves something this preseason, he's not worth the cap and roster space. In a league where kickoffs are touchbacks up to 45% of the time, can't see a reason to keep an underperforming smaller injury-prone one-hit wonder who recently had off-field issues.

He's the lightest player in the NFL, so pound-for-pound -- we're overpaying.[/quote]

If the Redskins do release Banks, Banks will undoubtedly pull a Desmond Howard. He will go to another NFL team and be a spectacular all pro at returning kicks and punts.