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[quote=Mattyk;926489]I think mredskins said it best when he said this is a merry go round.[/quote]

Same thing happened in the Nugent thread. People having the same arguments over and over.

Through a post or two about dog training and we have it nailed.

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My question to those that support gun control laws is do you actually think it's going to be successful?

If history has shown anything, it's shown that a "war on _____" hasn't been successful.

Terrorism? Nope.

Drugs? Nope.

Obesity? Nope.

Crime? Nope.


All the laws and regulations and restrictions of civil liberties hasn't phased any of the areas I've listed.

What do you actually propose?

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[quote=NC_Skins;926519]My question to those that support gun control laws is do you actually think it's going to be successful?

If history has shown anything, it's shown that a "war on _____" hasn't been successful.

Terrorism? Nope.

Drugs? Nope.

Obesity? Nope.

Crime? Nope.


All the laws and regulations and restrictions of civil liberties hasn't phased any of the areas I've listed.

What do you actually propose?[/quote]

I'd say our war on Terrorism has been very successful. Now thats after 9/11 when we really started fighting it here.

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If the United State can embark on a project to [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102"]reclaim all the gold[/URL] in the country I suspect it can collect all the assault rifles in the country, or at least as much of it as possible and criminalize the possession of it.

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[quote=firstdown;926525]I'd say our war on Terrorism has been very successful. Now thats after 9/11 when we really started fighting it here.[/quote]

What have you succeeded at? Destroying al Qaeda? Prevent al Shabaab from forming? I wouldn't call band-aids success but you go ahead and keep on believing.

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[url=http://www.nbc-2.com/story/19119389/2012/07/26/no-bond-for-cape-homicide-suspect]Salesman shot in head "for effect" - NBC-2.com WBBH News for Fort Myers, Cape Coral & Naples, Florida[/url]

This was posted by HailGreen28 in the other thread and thought it was very appropriate for this thread.

These are the kind of guys that need to pass a mental health test before owning a gun. I hope he never steps foot out of jail, and quite frankly think he deserves the hanging gallows.

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[URL="http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=14e_1335734940"]Knife attacker stopped by gun owner[/URL]

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[url=http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/05/us/wisconsin-temple-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1]Gunman, six others dead at Wisconsin Sikh temple - CNN.com[/url]

crazy person + guns =

we cant seem to get the math problem right

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[quote=Chico23231;928705][url=http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/05/us/wisconsin-temple-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1]Gunman, six others dead at Wisconsin Sikh temple - CNN.com[/url]

crazy person + guns =

we cant seem to get the math problem right[/quote]


Get rid of the crazy people. PROBLEM SOLVED. :cool-smil

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[url=http://www.nbc12.com/story/19265000/police-identify-texas-am-gunman-killed-in-shootout]Three dead after shooting near Texas A&M - NBC12.com - Richmond, VA News, Weather, Traffic & Sports[/url]

"the shooter's mom said her son has had 'mental issues' the last couple years"

anyone see a f*cking pattern? crazy people + guns

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[url=http://wtvr.com/2012/08/15/library-gun-protest-richmond-virginia/]Group packs heat during library protest | WTVR.com – Richmond News & Weather from WTVR Television CBS 6[/url]

when it comes to ****ing idiots, these people are always challenging for the top spot. smh

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Speaking of idiots, get ready for one of the biggest ones alive...

[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/15/dave-mustaine-megadeth-si_n_1784525.html]Dave Mustaine, Megadeth Singer, Says Obama 'Staged' Aurora Shooting, Sikh Temple Shooting To Pass A Gun Ban (VIDEO)[/url]

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^insane

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[quote=Mattyk;931078]Speaking of idiots, get ready for one of the biggest ones alive...

[URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/15/dave-mustaine-megadeth-si_n_1784525.html"]Dave Mustaine, Megadeth Singer, Says Obama 'Staged' Aurora Shooting, Sikh Temple Shooting To Pass A Gun Ban (VIDEO)[/URL][/quote]

I Knew it....!

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[quote=Mattyk;931078]Speaking of idiots, get ready for one of the biggest ones alive...

[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/15/dave-mustaine-megadeth-si_n_1784525.html]Dave Mustaine, Megadeth Singer, Says Obama 'Staged' Aurora Shooting, Sikh Temple Shooting To Pass A Gun Ban (VIDEO)[/url][/quote]


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I'm going to boycot his music talking about our pres. in another country.

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[quote=Chico23231;931074][URL="http://wtvr.com/2012/08/15/library-gun-protest-richmond-virginia/"]Group packs heat during library protest | WTVR.com – Richmond News & Weather from WTVR Television CBS 6[/URL]

when it comes to ****ing idiots, these people are always challenging for the top spot. smh[/quote]


I agree people should have the right to carry but these people are just stupid.

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Going to edit this out because it really isn't the time to discuss this.

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sub guns out
sub weed in

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[quote=los panda;975474]sub guns out
sub weed in[/quote]


Weed being illegal is mainly the issue. If it were legal, many of these crazies would be neutralized being high. :pimp:

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I think skins guy made a excellent point about the mentally ill in our country and state laws that police them.

Guns are not the problem it is crazy people and not treating them or locking them up.

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[quote=NC_Skins;975473]Even after the tragic events of today, I still stand by my views in regards to gun control. Controlling or trying to restrict something isn't going to stop anything. We've tried it with other things and its failed miserably and cost us billions of dollars.

Just think of all those drugs that are illegal, and yet how freely they flow on the streets. Think alcohol back in prohibition. Didn't stop anything and neither will banning or restricting guns. Crazy people will do crazy things regardless of the medium at hand.[/quote]

See, I think for organized crime and things like that I agree. But for the crazy person who wants to do these random acts, they don't strike me as the type who "think" a lot before their actions and if maybe delaying them just enough will stop it, I think it's worth it.

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need to get rid of assault weapons and high capicity ammunition clips

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EDIT: too soon to have this conversation

Did that in CA, we still have gun crime. Were would we stop? Criminals will still have firearms.

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Wrong, god damn day for this thread!!!

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Fck this too soon bulshit. It's time to do something...For one thing we need a single database of gun owners and annual mental and physical evaluation to own a gun. No more walking out with a gun before a background and evaluation of your fitness to own a gun. Lock the shit down now!

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[quote=Giantone;975532]Wrong, god damn day for this thread!!![/quote]

This thread is from a while back. I linked here because people were getting political in the other thread.

I edited my post that bumped this thread to correct a wrong. As a few of you have said, it's not the day to discuss this.

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how the f*ck do we as a nation think it is reasonable for someone mentality ill to have a gun in his/her possession. unbelievable

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[quote=Chico23231;975560]how the f*ck do we as a nation think it is reasonable for someone mentality ill to have a gun in his/her possession. unbelievable[/quote]

i dont think we as a nation or even we as a message board think it is reasonable for someone mentally ill to have a firearm. we know the problem and seem to have known it for some time now, hell the shooting at virginia tech was over 5 and a half years ago now. we are just in need of a realistic solution.

i do beleive we need stricter gun laws, and there should more gun education as well. what happened yesterday is horrific and terrible, you really dont want to think things like that can happen. but things like this are not just caused by guns, some people are crazy and there is no telling what they are capable of sometimes.

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/12/14/china-knife-attack-school.html]China stabbing spree hurts 22 schoolchildren - World - CBC News[/url]

i'm not trying to be politicial in anyway, just merly exspressing my feelings, sorry if we don't see things eye to eye. what happened yesterday was awful and my thoughts go out to everyone in the country that has young chilidren.

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[quote=saden1;975539]Fck this too soon bulshit. It's time to do something...For one thing we need a single database of gun owners and annual mental and physical evaluation to own a gun. No more walking out with a gun before a background and evaluation of your fitness to own a gun. Lock the shit down now![/quote]

I agree, screw this too soon crap. If anything it's too late.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;975626]I agree, screw this too soon crap. If anything it's too late.[/QUOTE]

I agree as well there are plenty of people to help the grieving. I don't the answer but something needs to be done.

I think it starts with how we deal with the crazies.

I swear to god there is a lady in my office with mentally ill son. He burned down her garage last year. She is always on the phone with him trying to clam him down. Oh and he goes to the local community college. People are trying to care for mentally ill family members and they are over their heads.

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[quote=mredskins;975636]I agree as well there are plenty of people to help the grieving. I don't the answer but something needs to be done.

I think it starts with how we deal with the crazies.

I swear to god there is a lady in my office with mentally ill son. He burned down her garage last year. She is always on the phone with him trying to clam him down. Oh and he goes to the local community college. People are trying to care for mentally ill family members and they are over their heads.[/quote]

On that note...

[url=http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/12/14/1338021/its-easier-for-americans-to-access-guns-than-mental-health-services/?mobile=nc]It's Easier For Americans To Access Guns Than Mental Health Services | ThinkProgress[/url]

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I am going to reply to Schneed's post here, as I don't believe that a discussion on firearms should take place in the Connecticut shooting thread...

[QUOTE=Schneed10;975587]I'm so sad about this.

The United States averages 9 gun deaths per 100,000 people per year. Canada averages 4.78. France averages 3. Australia, 2.94. Norway, 1.78. Greece, 1.50. Germany, 1.10. Spain, 0.63. The Netherlands, 0.46. United Kingdom, 0.22. Japan, 0.07.

If you think it is impossible for gun control laws to work, then you must believe we are more violent than the people of all of these nations. That is the wrong kind of exceptional.[/QUOTE]

I know it is technically correct, but it should be clarified that the term "death" in this context includes homicides, suicides, and accidental. The homicide rate by itself is 2.98.

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I want you all to pay attention to this and the message here.



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[quote=saden1;975539]Fck this too soon bulshit. It's time to do something...For one thing we need a single database of gun owners and annual mental and physical evaluation to own a gun. No more walking out with a gun before a background and evaluation of your fitness to own a gun. Lock the shit down now![/quote]Saden, why are all your political posts that I see always wrong? :doh:

In this case, you've got the right idea, but the wrong group of people. Even if your current screwed up idea were passed, it would have done nothing in this case because the mother was the owner. But even aside from that, you and others miss a major part of the problem here.

On this topic, long story short, copied from another forum:

[B][U]The sad part of this is that the root cause of all these shootings is being ignored.

Every one of these shooters is/was mentally disturbed. Yet we do not require a psychologist to report a person in their care to the authorities when violence is discussed.

All of this doctor patient confidentiality is non sense. If a person is a threat to society then how is the doctor not complicit in the act of the patient when the patient commits violence?

If mentally disturbed people were identified, put into a database to ban them from gun, knife, ammo and any other thing that could be used for mass destruction then many if not most of these cases could be avoided.

If parents were required to register their known disturbed kids in the data base and if the parents were held criminally responsible for not doing so it would take no time, between parents and doctors, to identify the majority of these people.

You nearly always hear, after the fact, of family and friends who knew the shooter was not stable or in fact knew they were outright disturbed. This is nothing more than plain common sense to get a handle on the problem this way.[/U][/B]

A kinda chilling example from another website here. [URL="http://anarchistsoccermom.blogspot.com/2012/12/thinking-unthinkable.html?m=1"]LINK[/URL]

I see many arguments lately about how it's easier to get a gun, than competent psychological help. Yet people jump straight to gun control without addressing the other problem already stated.

But hey, let's immediately milk a tragedy for partisan political points involving 28 deaths, and ignore 32,000 traffic deaths (a third of them DUIs) [URL="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/11/ntsb-use-ignition-locks-all-drunken-drivers/"]LINK[/URL].

Or have a real discussion about gun deaths, also in the 30K's (CDC has auto fatalities at 34K, gun deaths 31K, both way too much just saying), and where those gun deaths occur (in places with the most gun control ironically). Oh, and about suicides accounting for 19K of those gun deaths. [URL="http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm"]LINK[/URL] [URL="http://www.theatlanticcities.com/neighborhoods/2012/12/geography-us-gun-violence/4171/"]LINK[/URL] [URL="http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm"]LINK[/URL] Maybe we need mental health control, and better gun control not more.

Who am I kidding? Focus on the guy in China who also went to a school and only wounded people because he had a knife, therefore gun control works. Never mind that precedence in this country would be for the murderer, after killing his mother, if he still wanted to go attack the school without guns, would have been to use a bomb or incendiary device in a real "bomb threat" case. Carry on.

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I own no guns. I am not a member of the NRA. I have no inkling to ever own a gun. Not my thing. I have long been dubious of gun control laws though.

But Americans have the highest per capita gun ownership in the world...it's not even remotely close.

Over half of all guns in the world are owned by people in the US.

A majority of mass killings take place in our country.

Other countries with high per capita gun ownership have a disproportionally small amount of gun deaths compared to the US.

This is all fact. If gun control isn't the answer...and I suspect it really isn't the "answer" more than it is a helpful ingredient to a much larger and more complicated solution.. Then what is? All the NRAers...what is the answer?

There is something very wrong here and while one side may not have the right answer at least they seem to get that there's a problem. The other side seem oblivious.

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[quote=FRPLG;976855]I own no guns. I am not a member of the NRA. I have no inkling to ever own a gun. Not my thing. I have long been dubious of gun control laws though.

But Americans have the highest per capita gun ownership in the world...it's not even remotely close.

Over half of all guns in the world are owned by people in the US.

A majority of mass killings take place in our country.

Other countries with high per capita gun ownership have a disproportionally small amount of gun deaths compared to the US.

This is all fact. If gun control isn't the answer...and I suspect it really isn't the "answer" more than it is a helpful ingredient to a much larger and more complicated solution.. Then what is? All the NRAers...what is the answer?

There is something very wrong here and while one side may not have the right answer at least they seem to get that there's a problem. The other side seem oblivious.[/quote]

Their answer is often... more guns.

Craziness.

If you think a gun ban would solve gun crime you're either uneducated on the topic or lying to yourself and others.

John Lott- More Guns, Less Crime.

Military grade weapons have no place in any home, however.

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[quote=RedskinRat;976890]If you think a gun ban would solve gun crime you're either uneducated on the topic or lying to yourself and others.

John Lott- More Guns, Less Crime.

[B]Military grade weapons have no place in any home, however[/B].[/quote]

That's what I think most of us can agree on.

Not sure that any reasonable person is talking about a gun ban, just more strict regulation is all.