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[quote=CrustyRedskin;942073]Im sure you'll have tear stains on it blaming Sundays loss on refs. :madani:[/quote]

Wow. You might want to check your facts if you're going to call people out. Nothing worse than calling people out and then looking uninformed. If you'll look at my previous posts on the subject (I doubt you'll take the time to do this tbh) you will see I've been pretty vocal about my stance on this situation and I thought I made it clear I wasn't blaming the loss on the refs, but apparently I haven't made it clear enough since you decided to waltz in here and accuse me of blaming this loss on the refs.

And you know what? Since I'm a nice guy, I will actually repost my thoughts on this subject just for you. Again, I doubt you will actually read them, but it can't hurt to try. I eagerly await your next response, which will probably ignore everything I've just written in favor of another inane response.

[quote=myself, in response to The Goat]
Originally Posted by [B]The Goat[/B] [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/48732-replacement-refs-story-nfl-wants-keep-post941688.html#post941688"][IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/buttons/viewpost.gif[/IMG][/URL]
[I]During the game at least twice I heard announcers say that when asked the Rams sideline stated nothing was physically wrong with Jackson. If Fischer changed the story later that's his deal.[/I]

[I]I have no idea what you're talking about otherwise....just lots of randomness there. Bottom line we we're soundly outcoached in all facets of the game i.e. special teams, offense and defense. Any discussion of the refs is just making excuses.[/I]

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I think I'm just about done with this argument. We're not on the same page at all. [B]You seem to think I'm blaming the refs for this loss[/B], and as is the case anytime we lose, you're putting it all on the coaches. The sad part is that for the most part I agree with you, I think Has' inability to adjust to Bradford picking apart our zone schemes, combined with their gameplan to get the ball out quickly, is what cost us the most, along with some timely plays like the punt block and RG3's pick. The majority of that falls on the coaches.

[B]My point in regards to this thread is that I don't like the way the refs can't control the players[/B]. The constant cheap shots, post-whistle baiting, and a general lack of control means that sooner or later it's going to get worse, and someone's either going to get injured or the refs will soon start missing easy calls and it will cost a team a game. It's not about the actual calls as it is about the safety of the players and the ability of the refs to keep the game moving in a timely fashion. And they are failing in that aspect so far.

But please, keep telling me how this is all the coaches' fault and Jeff Fisher was the epitome of calm, as were his players. Tell me that the Rams' backup tackle slipped and hit Fletcher after the whistle and that it wasn't a blatant cheap shot, or that Robert Quinn didn't push RG3's face into the ground after his sack, or that the Rams players weren't constantly talking shit after the whistle in an effort to bait us, or even that they weren't taking every opportunity to get every late hit possible, because all that just didn't happen right?

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I even bolded the relevant parts for you. :) You see? Reading [I]is[/I] fundamental.

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Mooby stop blaming the refs for our loss! :cheeky-sm

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;942084]Mooby stop blaming the refs for our loss! :cheeky-sm[/quote]

Alright fine the jig is up. I think it's all their fault. They told Danny Amendola how to exploit our zone scheme, and they were the ones that made RG3 throw to the defender, and they missed the block that led to the blocked punt, and they were the ones taunting Josh Morgan until his poorly aimed throw hit Cortland Finnegan, and they were the ones encouraging Jim Haslett to stick with his game plan, and so on so forth. It's all on them. Those bastards. :cheeky-sm

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honestly the amount of non-calls on holding on the rams while mr. amedoula was burning Hasletts RETARDED 10yd cusion like he has every other ****ing year we have played against him..... pissed me off as well... lets just allow the rams to neck tie redskins players all afternoon and hang on jerseys and shit.... i blame haslett alot more than the refs but still a shitty game no doubt and I propose a nation wide blackout!

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this loss is on the D, not the refs. the refs were terrible... really really terrible, but it bit both ways. we probably got the better end of their craptitude honestly.

griff looked good, our D was beyond bad, and losing 2 of our front 7 is just wow. when it rains it pours. I think if garcon was healthy we probably would have won, but injuries are part of the game.

congrats to JF and bradford (and their a-hole WR :P). they were coached well and executed.

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[quote=mooby;942087]Alright fine the jig is up. I think it's all their fault. They told Danny Amendola how to exploit our zone scheme, and they were the ones that made RG3 throw to the defender, and they missed the block that led to the blocked punt, and they were the ones taunting Josh Morgan until his poorly aimed throw hit Cortland Finnegan, and they were the ones encouraging Jim Haslett to stick with his game plan, and so on so forth. It's all on them. Those bastards. :cheeky-sm[/quote]

Its ok man, I'm sure your letter will get the refs back to work. :cool-smil

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;942111]Its ok man, I'm sure your letter will get the refs back to work. :cool-smil[/quote]

Pull an [URL="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pull%20an%20andy%20dufresne"]Andy Dufresne[/URL]

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^ Yes. Fans make the NFL possible. Perhaps enough fan+media outrage will get the owners off of their duffs. At worst case, a letter couldn't hurt.

Please send nice-but-pissed letters to:

National Football League
345 Park Avenue
New York, NY 10017

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This makes me angry.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/17/after-flagging-josh-morgan-refs-let-chris-long-get-away-with-taunting/]After flagging Morgan, refs let Chris Long get away with taunting | ProFootballTalk[/url]

[QUOTE]Immediately after Morgan got his penalty, Rams defensive end Chris Long stood in front of the Redskins’ sideline, appearing to yell at Redskins players and pointing at his helmet, as if to say, “Use your head.” Long’s actions were a clear violation of the NFL’s definition of unsportsmanlike conduct, which prohibits “Using abusive, threatening, or insulting language or gestures to opponents” and “Using baiting or taunting acts or words that engender ill will between teams.”

So, you say, this is yet another example of a player committing a penalty that the officials didn’t see? Nope. The officials did see it. Here’s a brief clip that shows Long making the gesture toward the Redskins’ sideline and an official coming in and telling him to stop. What that brief clip doesn’t show is that after the official told him to stop, Long did stop — for about one second, before walking back toward the Redskins’ sideline and gesturing again, all in plain sight of the official who had just told him to stop.

It would be one thing if Long had simply made a brief gesture or a quick comment to a Redskins player in the heat of the moment after Morgan’s penalty. But Long made the gesture repeatedly, stopped for a moment and then went right back to doing it after an official specifically told him not to, right in front of that official.

If the officials had properly enforced the rule against taunting and thrown the flag on Long, the Redskins would have gotten the 15 yards back, and would have been right back in range for a 47-yard game-tying field goal. Instead, the Redskins missed on their attempt at a 62-yard field goal.[/Quote]

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[I]"If the officials had properly enforced the rule against taunting......"[/I]


But they didn't, the Skins lost, move on.

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no. i will not move on. its unacceptable. stop accepting mediocrity from a multi billion dollar industry that u know we all feed plenty of money into one way or another. **** that. its proffessional sports, act proffessionally.

boycot needs to happen on sunday. wish there was a global platform to try and convince fans to not watch this sunday. I'd do it. Youtube maybe. **** it. im on it and I will need everyone heres help to spread it like wildfire.

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Are you taking into account that the awful refereeing is at least equally enjoyed by all teams.

Next Sunday we may be the beneficiaries of this tawdry group. When the originals get back they will make mistakes and some loon will want the replacements back.

Human error is part of the game, sadly. Computers, anyone?

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The stories about these replacement refs gets better and better...
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/18/lesean-mccoy-replacement-ref-said-i-need-you-for-my-fantasy-team/]LeSean McCoy: Replacement ref said “I need you for my fantasy team” | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;942111]Its ok man, I'm sure your letter will get the refs back to work. :cool-smil[/quote]

Even if it doesn't, I feel better knowing that someone in the NFL's office will open it and at least glance at it. And who knows? Maybe if enough people voice their concerns about it Goodell will get serious about it. All I know is it feels so much better than sitting on a forum belittling other people's efforts to make a difference. I'd hate to know you in real life, I'm sure your thought process goes something like this:

Neighbor donates 10 bucks to charity:
Your response: It's ok man, I'm sure your donation to charity will really make a difference. (rolls eyes)

POTUS is thinking about signing a bill into law, concerned resident sends him a letter:
Your response: it's ok man, I'm sure your letter will make a huge difference in his decision making. (rolls eyes)

Levees break in New Orleans, leaving thousands of people stranded, and your neighbor decides to go down to assist with the relief effort:
Your response: it's ok man, I'm sure your efforts will make all the difference. (rolls eyes)

Your friend/family member is upset with the current POTUS, and decides to vote against him in the next election:
Your response: it's ok man, I'm sure your vote will make all the difference. (rolls eyes)

I could go on and on, but I'm pretty sure my words are falling on deaf ears here. Keep up the negative attitude though, that's the kind of thing that gets you places. ;)

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[quote=RedskinRat;942140]Are you taking into account that the awful refereeing is at least equally enjoyed by all teams.

Next Sunday we may be the beneficiaries of this tawdry group. When the originals get back they will make mistakes and some loon will want the replacements back.

Human error is part of the game, sadly. Computers, anyone?[/quote]lasers

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[quote=mooby;942144]Even if it doesn't, I feel better knowing that someone in the NFL's office will open it and at least glance at it. And who knows? Maybe if enough people voice their concerns about it Goodell will get serious about it. All I know is it feels so much better than sitting on a forum belittling other people's efforts to make a difference. I'd hate to know you in real life, I'm sure your thought process goes something like this:

Neighbor donates 10 bucks to charity:
Your response: It's ok man, I'm sure your donation to charity will really make a difference. (rolls eyes)

POTUS is thinking about signing a bill into law, concerned resident sends him a letter:
Your response: it's ok man, I'm sure your letter will make a huge difference in his decision making. (rolls eyes)

Levees break in New Orleans, leaving thousands of people stranded, and your neighbor decides to go down to assist with the relief effort:
Your response: it's ok man, I'm sure your efforts will make all the difference. (rolls eyes)

Your friend/family member is upset with the current POTUS, and decides to vote against him in the next election:
Your response: it's ok man, I'm sure your vote will make all the difference. (rolls eyes)

I could go on and on, but I'm pretty sure my words are falling on deaf ears here. Keep up the negative attitude though, that's the kind of thing that gets you places. ;)[/quote]


No man, im sure everyone else's letters will have an affect, im just talking about yours. :blah:

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negative nancy and debbie downer have adopted a child

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;942149]Blah blah blah I live in Butthole, TX. [/quote]

Your words are making such an impact on my life, please, tell me more.

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[quote=los panda;942147]lasers[/quote]

well, [U][I]obviously![/I][/U]

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Sucks that the owners simply just don't care. We're going to watch the games regardless of who's officiating...

I thought our game was [B]horribly[/B] officiated and it really isn't getting any publicity on the sports networks compared to the Philly/Baltimore game or Monday nights game. They had no control of the players and some of the calls/non-calls (Fisher's unchallengable challenge) were just flat out wrong. Im guessing our game isn't getting much attention because it wasn't nationally televised, so imagine all the other games that were officiated just as horribly.

Too many illegal hits and unsportsmanlike conducts are going unpunished, while other ticky-tac defensive pass interferences and "late" out of bounds hits are wrongly called. The players are going to keep getting into scuffles, plays are going to continue to be miscalled, player safety will stay in jeopardy... the integrity of the game is being tarnished.

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[quote=mooby;942155]Your words are making such an impact on my life, please, tell me more.[/quote]

Quit whining about the refs, and please type us up another doctrine in which we can all live our NFL lives by. :biggthump

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[quote=Dingus]
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Finally, a little peace at last.

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[quote=Kindoy;942169]Sucks that the owners simply just don't care. We're going to watch the games regardless of who's officiating...

I thought our game was [B]horribly[/B] officiated and it really isn't getting any publicity on the sports networks compared to the Philly/Baltimore game or Monday nights game. They had no control of the players and some of the calls/non-calls (Fisher's unchallengable challenge) were just flat out wrong. Im guessing our game isn't getting much attention because it wasn't nationally televised, so imagine all the other games that were officiated just as horribly.

[B]Too many illegal hits and unsportsmanlike conducts are going unpunished[/B], while other ticky-tac defensive pass interferences and "late" out of bounds hits are wrongly called. The players are going to keep getting into scuffles, plays are going to continue to be miscalled, player safety will stay in jeopardy... the integrity of the game is being tarnished.[/quote]

the one that stood out was the rams player just dove on fletcher after the play was clearly over. such a dirty cheap shot. some players need to have more respect for their nfl brothers. hope that asshole gets fined.

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Chaos everywhere.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/BJeal.gif[/IMG]

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^ winfield could have been seriously injured right there. crazy

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Hello ref, get between them and break that shit up

jesus

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[url=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443816804578004613701813182.html]The NFL Replacement Ref Audit - WSJ.com[/url]

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I will admit, my opinion has changed slightly after watching the last skins game. Mostly, I don't have an issue with replacement officials. If they're a little slower or make some mistakes here and there -- I understand. Especially as they become accustomed to the speed and difference in the NFL. I don't think their calls are any better/worse than normal refs. The normal refs made a lot of mistakes also, let's not act as if they were flawless. The new refs DO need to control the games. I'm sure that will be a point of emphasis after this week. Be more aware of extracurricular stuff and don't be afraid to throw the flag. Slow down any cheap hits, chippyness, etc.

Here's the thing, the amount of money regular refs want, to me, is ridiculous. This isn't their full time job and they spend ~4 hours a week working -- yet they want a pension? How many of us work 10x (or more) than that per week and aren't given a pension. We have to deal with a slight decrease in officiating skill until they get some practice -- but I understand the NFLs stance. I rarely side with the NFL anymore, but I do in this case. Last week was ridiculous and I expect to see improvement over the next few weeks, especially with keeping control of the game.

Where was all this talk when we won? Lol. We need the real refs back for the integrity of the game. Can we leave wins and losses out of it though. We could and have been on both ends of the bogus calls. For three years we have been blaming our close losses on orakpo being held but not getting the call. These refs are garbage that is clear but they are horrible for BOTH teams.

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I didn't think the refs were as bad in week 1 as they were last week.

My biggest problem is how they have no control. The players know this and keep pushing things to see how much they can get away with.

Plus there's no consistency. With the regular refs sure they weren't perfect, but with the replacement refs they call things they shouldn't and miss the obvious calls. The speed of the game is clearly too much for them and I don't see them improving much in the short term. The regular refs have been doing this for years. It's not something you just get up to speed with in a matter of weeks.

Someone on sirius just compared the situation to kids in school taking advantage of a substitute teacher cus they no they can get away with more. So true.

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I'd bet it's only going to get worse as the players keep pushing the envelope.

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[quote=Mattyk;942506]I'd bet it's only going to get worse as the players keep pushing the envelope.[/quote]

I'm a little worried for our players' safety this week. The Bengals have plenty of thugs on their team.

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Check the clip in middle of page


[url=http://deadspin.com/5944976/theyre-getting-worse-not-better-here-are-the-28-worst-replacement-official-mistakes-from-week-2]They're Getting Worse, Not Better: Here Are The 28 Worst Replacement Official Mistakes From Week 2[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;942506]I'd bet it's only going to get worse as the players keep pushing the envelope.[/quote]I don't think so. I'll bet there has been a memo sent out to the teams that any more nonsense and ejections/fines will be coming down. The NFL has I'm sure told the refs to start throwing people out that even seem like they're pushing the envelope.

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[url]http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8404563/nfl-issues-field-conduct-warning-owners-general-managers-coaches-all-32-teams[/url]


Really NFL? Really? Maybe you should be contacting the refs telling them to control the game instead of letting it become a thugfest.

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[quote=NC_Skins;942920][url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8404563/nfl-issues-field-conduct-warning-owners-general-managers-coaches-all-32-teams]NFL issues on-field conduct warning to owners, general managers, coaches of all 32 teams - ESPN[/url]


Really NFL? Really? Maybe you should be contacting the refs telling them to control the game instead of letting it become a thugfest.[/quote]

I have to believe that they are sending that out to the replacement refs too. The game yesterday went smoothly, and after 1 pushing match, which I expected to spark many more, the teams seemed to settle down. I don't know if the league guy who's helping the refs went to both teams and said something or if the players just chilled, but I tend to think that somehow the refs got the point across that they weren't going to accept thuggery.

I hope so atleast.

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These greedy ass owners and the greatly hypocritical Goondell administration is to blame folks. Just take a look at the numbers and what the Refs are asking for...its absolutely redunkelous.

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Well the real refs are asking for a full pension plan - as a part time employees! who else in the US has that now. Take a 401K, enjoy the extra money in your pocket and get back on the field.

That said, seems like they could put in a grandfather clause that allows current refs with more than x years to keep the full pension, then phase it out as new refs are hired. Crazy the two sides can't agree on something.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;942925]Well the real refs are asking for a full pension plan - as a part time employees! who else in the US has that now. Take a 401K, enjoy the extra money in your pocket and get back on the field.

[B]That said, seems like they could put in a grandfather clause that allows current refs with more than x years to keep the full pension, then phase it out as new refs are hired[/B]. Crazy the two sides can't agree on something.[/quote]

You mean the same pension plan they've gotten from the league since the 70s?

Bingo!!!!, 9 billion industry a year. It should be a going forward action with new hires, you cant switch it up now.