Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

[quote=firstdown;934845]I was just reading todays paper and it said that Gano was safe. WTF[/quote]life moves pretty fast, if you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

[quote=firstdown;934845]I was just reading todays paper and it said that Gano was safe. WTF[/quote]

You still read the newspaper?

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

[quote=skinsguy;934888]You still read the newspaper?[/quote]

This is exactly the reason why newspapers are entirely worthless anymore. Unless you need a liner for your floor while house training a puppy.

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

I'm disappointed with this move. Gano is much younger, and has serious upside. If not for 5 blocked kicks due to shoddy blocking up front, he would have had a better year statistically. Do note that he made 4-6 from 50+, including a franchise record 59-yarder, whereas Cundiff has made [I]one of his last nine[/I] from 50+. RG3 better be driving us inside the 30 for a legit chance to come away with points.

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

He can't be worse than Gano, so I am ok with it. No negative impact expected.

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

Best move of the off season!!....well, maybe 2nd

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;934922]He can't be worse than Gano, so I am ok with it. No negative impact expected.[/quote]Baltimore fans were negatively impacted by Cundiff's choke from 32 yards that ended their season in the AFC Championship. If it was about consistency inside 45 yards, we should have just gone with Rackers IMO.

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

[quote=SouperMeister;934927]Baltimore fans were negatively impacted by Cundiff's choke from 32 yards that ended their season in the AFC Championship. If it was about consistency inside 45 yards, we should have just gone with Rackers IMO.[/quote]

That's a kinda what ima thinking, must have been some other factors such as the root of all evil.

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

[quote=firstdown;934845]I was just reading todays paper and it said that Gano was safe. WTF[/quote]

Things are never as they seem

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

[quote=los panda;934848]life moves pretty fast, if you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it[/quote]


Words to live by.

Ferris knows.

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

The Redskins front office is a bunch of blowhard idiots. They have continued time and time again to pass over the best kicker in the history of the game.....

MIKE HUSTED!!!!!
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COME AT ME BRO!!!!

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

[quote=SouperMeister;934927]Baltimore fans were negatively impacted by Cundiff's choke from 32 yards that ended their season in the AFC Championship. If it was about consistency inside 45 yards, we should have just gone with Rackers IMO.[/quote]

True, but had Lee Evans held on to the football in the end zone, Cundiff never would have had to 'try' that kick to force overtime.

Rackers - Gano - Cundiff. Who cares, flip a coin.

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

With all the weapons on offense now, Skins won't be kicking FGs >50yds.

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

[quote=RGIII;934948]With all the weapons on offense now, Skins won't be kicking FGs >50yds.[/quote]

That's true. I remember a lot of people complaining about Gano sucking when he was kicking from over 50 yards. Gotta hope that we can at least get close enough to keep the majority of FGs to 40 yards and under.

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

Both kickers and kick returners baffle me. At no position do players seem to go from zero to hero and back quicker than those two spots.

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

[quote=Dirtbag59;934953]Both kickers and kick returners baffle me. At no position do players seem to go from zero to hero and back quicker than those two spots.[/quote]

Not even QB?

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

The release of Graham Gano was a very surprising move to me. But I understand Bruce Allen's logic. Billy Cundiff was available. He's been to playoffs and has a lot of experience. Gano in retrospect to Cudiff, only has potential. So for Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen it was a no brainer. I'm still surprised by the move to cut Gano though.

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

[quote=Schneed10;934682]FG% numbers are not enough to judge a kicker. The mix of kicking distances plays a role in driving the kicker's overall percentage. Let's analyze Gano vs Cundiff from various distances over the last two seasons combined:

0-19 Yards, both 100% (one attempt each)
20-29 Yards, Cundiff 100% on 20 attempts, Gano 88% on 25 attempts
30-39 Yards, Cudiff 86% on 21 attempts, Gano 56% on 16 attempts
40-49 Yards, Cundiff 82% on 17 attempts, Gano 76% on 25 attempts
50+ Yards, Cundiff 14% on 7 attempts, Gano 44% on 9 attempts

Look at the atrocious performance from Gano from 30-39 yards. Those are FGs you have to make, especially if you're still developing as a Red Zone offense. If you're kicking from 30-39 it means the ball sits at the 13 - 23 yard line. It means your red zone offense stalled, and you desperately need to put those points on the board to atone for the lost TD opportunity in the red zone.

With Cundiff, you know you can't count on a 50 yarder to win the game, but at least you can plan for that. You know your 2 minute offense needs to target the 25 yard line to put the game away safely. With Gano, it almost doesn't matter whether you're trying a 55 yarder or a 35 yarder, he's shaky from both distances. You can't count on him to make it, every time he comes out it's a dice roll.

Stronger leg does not equal better kicker. Give me Cundiff.[/quote]

Schneed's ability to run the numbers is making a believer out of me on this move....good job!

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;934727]

Cundiff [U]did[/U] choke on a short FG attempt in the AFC Championship game but that doesn't make him a choke artist for life, except in Baltimore.
[B]
It was almost certainly Cundiff's missed FG in the AFC Championship game alone that made him unwelcome in Baltimore and available to the Redskins.[/B] I think that miss turned out to be a good thing for the Skins.[/quote]

I recall another guy that choked in the playoffs that ended up with the Skins...his name Byner, that worked out pretty well for us.

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

[quote=REDSKINS4ever;934957]The release of Graham Gano was a very surprising move to me. But I understand Bruce Allen's logic. Billy Cundiff was available. [B]He's been to playoffs and has a lot of experience. [/B]Gano in retrospect to Cudiff, only has potential. So for Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen it was a no brainer. I'm still surprised by the move to cut Gano though.[/quote]

He's also blown it in the playoffs. Being a DC native and a Skins fan, it was pretty sweet to watch him screw the Ravens right out of a potential Super Bowl appearance.

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

So how many years before Gano is in the pro bowl for a NFC team?

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

[quote=Paintrain;934572]2 things..

1. Cundiff is pretty much automatic from inside 50 yards, which Gano was not. Cundiff is an automatic touchback, Gano could boom them as well but also had the propensity to kick it out of bounds in a poor attempt at a directional kick. Cundiff was considered a top 10 kicker, Gano was bottom third. It's an upgrade.

2. The fact that we are bemoaning a kicker move and the fate of Graham Gano speaks volumes to how stable and sane this offseason has been. It's nice to go into a season with little to no drama for once.[/quote]

[url=http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-kickoff-touchback-pct]NFL Football Stats - NFL Team Opponent Kickoff Touchback Percentage on TeamRankings.com[/url]

Not automatic as the poster suggest, actually about 43%of the time on touchbacks, but better then Gano.

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

Anybody remember Nick Novak? In San Diego hitting 79.4 % last season?

Ole Cundiff might not be our first week starter either..

Spin: Novak is kicking well, but unfortunately for him, Nate Kaeding is healthy and is also kicking well. It seems unlikely that the Bolts will elect to keep both kickers on the roster when the season begins, so Novak might be auditioning for another team at this point.

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

[quote=CapitalDefense;934972]Anybody remember Nick Novak? In San Diego hitting 79.4 % last season?

Ole Cundiff might not be our first week starter either..

Spin: Novak is kicking well, but unfortunately for him, Nate Kaeding is healthy and is also kicking well. It seems unlikely that the Bolts will elect to keep both kickers on the roster when the season begins, so Novak might be auditioning for another team at this point.[/quote]

That would be hilarious.

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

[quote=CapitalDefense;934963]So how many years before Gano is in the pro bowl for a NFC team?[/quote]

The over/under is 2.5 years. I've got the under.

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

I'll take the over all day. Gano isn't going to go somewhere and be lights out.

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;934982]I'll take the over all day. Gano isn't going to go somewhere and be lights out.[/quote]

Mr. Akers....Kid had one of the strongest legs in the league, if he could harness the power and become accurate look out...., just sayin

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

CapitalD has Kirk over taken Rex?

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

In an attempt to spare the denizens of reactionaries some time, I'll write the following for whenever Cundiff misses his first FG with the Skins:
CUT CUNDIFF!!!

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

[quote=DynamiteRave;934955]Not even QB?[/quote]

I just feel like when a QB is good they stay good for a while. Rarely do you have one year wonders at QB and if they end up being one year wonders its usually due to injuries. Kick returners and Kickers seem to have more and more one or two year wonders.

Cundiff for example was a pro bowler in 2010 at a position that picks only two players out of 32 or more. Just last week he was released. Neil Rackers, couple of years ago it would have taken a 2nd round pick to convince the Cardinals to give him up, now he's hoping that someone will call him. Nick Folk, pro bowler for Dallas in 2007. In 2009 they "lost faith in Folk and waived him on December 21, 2009."

Kick returners to. Back in 2010 Brandon Banks was the next big thing. This year we're wondering if he'll make the roster. Dante Hall was the "X" factor for 2 years before he started to slowly become less and less of a game changer. Even Devin Hester who could probably still return kicks is getting relegated it seems to [URL="http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-04-09/sports/chi-bears-may-relieve-hester-of-kickreturn-duties-20120409_1_kickoff-hester-and-knox-danieal-manning"]just playing receiver[/URL]. He was replaced by kick return specialist Eric Weems who the Falcons liked but didn't fight tooth and nail to hold onto.

Also does anyone remember Chad Morton? Talk about a Redskin no one remembers.

I don't know it just seems to me that a lot of these specialist have very short life spans. Punters being the exception to the rule. If you find a good punter you are set for the next 10,000 years.

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

akers and vinetari and stover stuck around forever. janikowski, anderson... some kickers are just good.

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

[quote=That Guy;935021]akers and vinetari and stover stuck around forever. janikowski, anderson... some kickers are just good.[/quote]

Well I mean there are a few guys that stick around and have long sucessful careers but what what I've seen kickers can fall from grace pretty quickly. Take Mike Vanderjagt for instance. He was one of the best kickers in the league. Misses one field goal in the postseason (on top of a drunk comment on TV) and gets released. Tries out for Dallas and gets replaced near the end of the season. Never heard from again in the NFL.

And I mean not only did he fall from grace but his last year in the league was simply brutal.

[quote]Vanderjagt suffered a groin injury that kept him out of action for two weeks. He returned in the final preseason game against the Minnesota Vikings. In that game, he missed two field goals in overtime of 32 and 33 yards (both misses were wide right), forcing the game to end in a tie. Rumors quickly spread that Vanderjagt would be released by the Cowboys before the regular season began. However, he remained with the team. He was replaced by back-up kicker Shaun Suisham in the first game of the season against Jacksonville, but appeared in each of the Cowboys' subsequent games through Week 12.[B] In Week 9, his potential game-winning field goal was blocked by the Washington Redskins as time expired[/B]. In Week 11 against his former team, the Colts, he missed his only two field goal attempts, (both of these misses were also wide right) making it the first time since 2001 since he had done so. The fans were so upset, they booed a commercial he appeared in on stadium monitors. On November 27, 2006, Vanderjagt was released by the Cowboys and replaced by Martín Gramática.
[edit][/quote]

But to reiterate yeah there are definitely a handful of quality kickers that stay on top for a good while. But for every Adam Vinitari it feels like there are 3 or 4 Neil Rackers.

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

Never new a kicker thread would get to 11 pages

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;935028]Never new a kicker thread would get to 11 pages[/quote]

Uh 6 cool guy. Oh wait your one of those guys with a computer thats not 1337 enough to handle the memory that comes with more post per page. *cough* LOOSER *cough*

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

[quote=CapitalDefense;934963]So how many years before Gano is in the pro bowl for a NFC team?[/quote]

Just like David Akers? Cundiff is not better than Gano, read this:

[url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/redskins-sign-cundiff-cut-gano/article/2506150#.UD2QiGt5mSM]Redskins sign Cundiff, cut Gano | WashingtonExaminer.com[/url]

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

[quote=Dirtbag59;935026]Well I mean there are a few guys that stick around and have long sucessful careers but what what I've seen kickers can fall from grace pretty quickly. Take Mike Vanderjagt for instance. He was one of the best kickers in the league. Misses one field goal in the postseason (on top of a drunk comment on TV) and gets released. Tries out for Dallas and gets replaced near the end of the season. Never heard from again in the NFL.

And I mean not only did he fall from grace but his last year in the league was simply brutal.



But to reiterate yeah there are definitely a handful of quality kickers that stay on top for a good while. But for every Adam Vinitari it feels like there are 3 or 4 Neil Rackers.[/quote]

Excellent post.

This is what scares me, we don't need a Tony Romo of a kicker. The consistency is good but the first time he misses a kick with the game on the line, we'll all be calling for his head.

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;935032]Just like David Akers? Cundiff is not better than Gano, read this:

[url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/redskins-sign-cundiff-cut-gano/article/2506150#.UD2QiGt5mSM]Redskins sign Cundiff, cut Gano | WashingtonExaminer.com[/url][/quote]

Gano is a good kicker but he's not great. Cundiff has more experience. Cundiff has kicked in playoff games and Gano hasn't. I was surprised to see Gano cut and I don't think Cundiff is truly an upgrade. Based on that statistics pertaining to that article, it appears that Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan are very naive in just cutting Gano and presenting the kicking job to Cundiff as a gift.

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

[quote=REDSKINS4ever;935044]Gano is a good kicker but he's not great. Cundiff has more experience. Cundiff has kicked in playoff games and Gano hasn't. I was surprised to see Gano cut and I don't think Cundiff is truly an upgrade. Based on that statistics pertaining to that article, it appears that Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan are very naive in just cutting Gano and presenting the[B] kicking job to Cundiff as a gift.[/B][/quote]

Might have a point there. On the other hand Cundiff probably had a few suitors and the only way to get him was to guarantee him the job. Plus maybe the staff thought they could sign Rackers or Gano mid season if Cundiff failed.

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

[quote=CapitalDefense;934972]Anybody remember Nick Novak? In San Diego hitting 79.4 % last season?

Ole Cundiff might not be our first week starter either..

Spin: Novak is kicking well, but unfortunately for him, Nate Kaeding is healthy and is also kicking well. It seems unlikely that the Bolts will elect to keep both kickers on the roster when the season begins, so Novak might be auditioning for another team at this point.[/quote]

I'd take Nick back. That game-winner against Dallas is still fresh in my memory.

Of course, Troy Vincent and Sean Taylor helped out with that FG.

Re: Redskins Sign K Billy Cundiff, Release Gano
 

[quote=Dirtbag59;935029]Uh 6 cool guy. Oh wait your one of those guys with a computer thats not 1337 enough to handle the memory that comes with more post per page. *cough* LOOSER *cough*[/quote]

I'm on page 4, old man.