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REC YDS AVG TD LG TGTS
L. Hankerson 2 68 34.0 1 68 3
J. Morgan 5 50 10.0 0 14 5
A. Robinson 2 40 20.0 0 28 3
S. Moss 3 14 4.7 0 9 3
F. Davis 2 14 7.0 0 8 5
N. Paul 3 13 4.3 0 8 3
E. Royster 2 7 3.5 0 5 3
R. Helu 1 0 0.0 0 0 1
D. Briscoe 0 0 0.0 0 0 1

Hopefully the formatting looks right, but Morgan was targeted 5 times for 5 receptions. Don't see cutting that. On the other hand FD had 5 targets for 2 receptions. Not saying to cut him, but he isn't going to earn any big contract with those type of numbers.

We missed Garcon yesterday.

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If Robinson makes that catch maybe we're singing a different tune today. He had a golden opportunity and let it slip. He can't let that happen again.

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[quote=Mattyk;941656]If Robinson makes that catch maybe we're singing a different tune today. He had a golden opportunity and let it slip. He can't let that happen again.[/quote]

I must say that this reminds me a lot of the Baltimore/New England game last year. Lee Evans dropped the game winning TD, but it is Cundiff with his missed FG attempt (which would have only tied the game) that got all the blame.

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[quote=Ruhskins;941657]I must say that this reminds me a lot of the Baltimore/New England game last year. Lee Evans dropped the game winning TD, but it is Cundiff with his missed FG attempt (which would have only tied the game) that got all the blame.[/quote]

yeah good point

[QUOTE=Mattyk;941616]I think his first thought might have been to get out of bounds.

We had no time outs left at that point.[/QUOTE]

We still had plenty of time. Just shows another error on his part if that was his thought.

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[quote=scowan;941622]Everyone in the NFC East is now 1-1 except for those lucky Eagles, who despite many turnovers are somehow 2-0. No one has played anyone in the division yet and [B]after two weeks if you would have told me the Skins would have been 1-1, I would have said "yeah they will lose to the Saints and beat the Rams!" it hasn't happen that way but the results are the same.[/B][/quote]

Yeah, this is the same big picture perspective I've taken as well. I figured 1-1 when I looked at the schedule with us beating the Rams and losing to the Saints.

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[quote=Gtothearry;941674]We still had plenty of time. Just shows another error on his part if that was his thought.[/quote]

Who knows, I was just tossing that out there as a possibility.

We can second guess things all day.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;941678]Who knows, I was just tossing that out there as a possibility.

We can second guess things all day.[/QUOTE]

True, it changes nothing.

Plus, when he spun to the outside if there was no help he would've possibly had a long TD run.

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[quote=InsaneBoost;941500]

What pisses me off almost more is the fact that he decided to turn around, rather than just running and falling for the first down. Had he done that, none of the other stuff would have happened.

I understand trying to make a play happen, but in that type of situation, that late in the game you MUST go forward. Plain and simple.[/quote]

This. Morgan just wasn't/isn't very good. SF was extremely short on WRs when they let him walk, which reflects what the SF front office really thinks about him.

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[quote=Gtothearry;941674]We still had plenty of time. Just shows another error on his part if that was his thought.[/quote]

At that point in the game the 1st down was more important then stopping the clock. If he makes the 1st we can spike the ball with around 50 seconds on the clock and time to run a few plays. If he gets stopped as he did we have around 60 seconds to try the FG. My question is why did we try the FG and not go for the 1st down. My guess is we had a better chance of gettig the 1st over making a 63 yrd kick.

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I don't understand the talk of Josh Morgan not being good. Where was all of this before his big blunder. The fact is - is that he has been productive with the niners and redskins. And he actually seems to want to play for his hometown team. And more than likely he will put more effort-in to try to make up for his critical mistake, so tell me why now - why would you cut a productive player that now has more motivation to work harder?

You're just hurting your own team- not making it better. And all of that to prove a point.

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Again, 5 targets 5 receptions, average 10yds a pop. That's good production and coupled with Garcon, or Hankerson if he plays up some, it's a good 1 - 2 punch.

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[quote=warriorzpath;941693]I don't understand the talk of Josh Morgan not being good. Where was all of this before his big blunder. The fact is - is that he has been productive with the niners and redskins. And he actually seems to want to play for his hometown team. And more than likely he will put more effort-in to try to make up for his critical mistake, so tell me why now - why would you cut a productive player that now has more motivation to work harder?

You're just hurting your own team- not making it better. And all of that to prove a point.[/quote]

Morgan has the physical ability to be a starter. Not elite, but a starter. But he doesn't have the football IQ to be a starter. Again, his real mistake yesterday was not turning inside and getting upfield for the 1st down, instead he drifted toward the sideline and lost yardage. I don't mind him on the roster, but he's not a starter.

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[quote=The Goat;941697]Morgan has the physical ability to be a starter. Not elite, but a starter. But he doesn't have the football IQ to be a starter. Again, his real mistake yesterday was not turning inside and getting upfield for the 1st down, instead he drifted toward the sideline and lost yardage. I don't mind him on the roster, [B]but he's not a starter.[/B][/quote]

I don't think he has been anyway. On the depth chart it says he is, but seems like Robinson has been getting more play time than him, even before Garcon was injured.

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[quote=The Goat;941689]This. Morgan just wasn't/isn't very good. SF was extremely short on WRs when they let him walk, which reflects what the SF front office really thinks about him.[/quote]

If I recall, and I could be mistaken, his injuries and their failure to use him correctly is what cost him his job out there. He does get a lot of YAC (which is what we need) and he, when healthy, has gotten a fair amount of catches / yards.

Hopefully he learns from this because I do feel he can contribute to the team.

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[COLOR="Blue"][B]CHILL[/B][/COLOR]

- I like how everyone assumes we would have made the long kick and found a way to win in OT...

- Gentlemen, this was a stupid game against a stupid dirty team coached by a coach with a stupid mustache in a stupid dome. And the whole thing was reffed by friggin idiots... let it go.

My giddiness level remains at 100%. There's no crying in the RG3 era.

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Damn...beaten by a better mustache.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;941704][COLOR="Blue"][B]CHILL[/B][/COLOR]

- I like how everyone assumes we would have made the long kick and found a way to win in OT...

- Gentlemen, this was a stupid game against a stupid dirty team coached by a coach with a stupid mustache in a stupid dome. And the whole thing was reffed by friggin idiots... let it go.

My giddiness level remains at 100%. There's no crying in the RG3 era.[/quote]

Yes. I think I can describe the reason
for this loss in one word- stupidity.

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[quote=The Goat;941697]Morgan has the physical ability to be a starter. Not elite, but a starter. But he doesn't have the football IQ to be a starter. Again, his real mistake yesterday was not turning inside and getting upfield for the 1st down, instead he drifted toward the sideline and lost yardage. I don't mind him on the roster, but he's not a starter.[/quote]

Usually in that situation players are coached to get out of bounds to stop the clock. I have him as one of our best receivers even though he made a costly mistake yesterday.

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[quote=Mattyk;941656]If Robinson makes that catch maybe we're singing a different tune today. He had a golden opportunity and let it slip. He can't let that happen again.[/quote]

This is actually a concern of mine until I see him catch a deep pass. That should be a routine play. This is the second time in two games that I didn't like his adjustment to the ball in the air on the deep pass. He has got to correct that yesterday.

I like everything else about his game but one of RG3's strengths is his deep pass decision making and accuracy. I feel like we let Armstrong go (who was a deep pass specialist) because we liked Robinson.

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[quote=imaskin4life;941716]Usually in that situation players are coached to get out of bounds to stop the clock. I have him as one of our best receivers even though he made a costly mistake yesterday.[/quote]

In that situation players also are coached to go and get the doggone first down.

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[quote=Lotus;941736]In that situation players also are coached to go and get the doggone first down.[/quote]

Yes, he should have got the first down instead but he was thinking "I need to get out of bounds to stop the clock" because we were running hurry up offense with a minute to go in the game.

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Who is the bigger goat. Josh Morgan or Rob Gronkowski?

He not only was flagged for holding at the end of the game, which negated a TD, but he also jumped offsides right before the last min FG miss. ESPN is calling out Morgan (I know he is an idiot) but no mention of Gronkowski.

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[quote=Stacks42;941791]Who is the bigger goat. Josh Morgan or Rob Gronkowski?

He not only was flagged for holding at the end of the game, which negated a TD, but he also jumped offsides right before the last min FG miss. ESPN is calling out Morgan (I know he is an idiot) but no mention of Gronkowski.[/quote]

That is kindy crappy of ESPN. But in Gronk's defense he's a probowl player who's proved it. Morgan will never see a probowl.

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[quote=Stacks42;941791]Who is the bigger goat. Josh Morgan or Rob Gronkowski?

He not only was flagged for holding at the end of the game, which negated a TD, but he also jumped offsides right before the last min FG miss. ESPN is calling out Morgan (I know he is an idiot) but no mention of Gronkowski.[/quote]

There's a big difference between holding/offsides and letting a d*ckhead get under your skin. I think retaliating to a POS player will get more press than typical football mistakes.

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One of the top 3 receivers in the nfl let cortland finnegan get under his skin too- when Andre johnson beat the sh*t out of him in 2010.

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Even the best lose their composure.

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[quote=The Goat;941800]That is kindy crappy of ESPN. But in Gronk's defense he's a probowl player who's proved it. Morgan will never see a probowl.[/quote]

You don't know that. Same thing was said about Carlos Rogers.

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[quote=warriorzpath;941811]Even the best lose their composure.[/quote]

True, and it's not like Morgan is known as being a hot-head. He's a pretty laid back guy. He lost his cool, and the refs were letting way too much stuff go after the whistle. Shit happens. Let's hope Morgan learns from it and uses it as motivation going forward to redeem himself.

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[quote=Mattyk;941819]True, and it's not like Morgan is known as being a hot-head. He's a pretty laid back guy. He lost his cool, and the refs were letting way too much stuff go after the whistle. Shit happens. Let's hope Morgan learns from it and uses it as motivation going forward to redeem himself.[/quote]

I hate to say it, but I would have eventually lost my cool as well. Just so much you can take and these players would have needed nerves of steel. Which is why I continue to be so impressed with Robert Griffin III.

Josh Morgan is a good player and definitely not a hot head. I've followed him since his college days. He's a solid player. He'll bounce back. I bet down the road, he majorly redeems himself and this thing will be ancient history.

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[quote=skinsguy;941815]You don't know that. Same thing was said about Carlos Rogers.[/quote]

Good point...but Morgan's already been through SanFran :)

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[quote=Mattyk;941819]True, and it's not like Morgan is known as being a hot-head. He's a pretty laid back guy. He lost his cool, and the refs were letting way too much stuff go after the whistle. Shit happens. Let's hope Morgan learns from it and uses it as motivation going forward to redeem himself.[/quote]

Exactly, if Morgan would have puffed his chest out, gotten up and shoved him after dropping the ball to the turf, there would not have been a flag, because that shiza was going on all damn game. It was the act of him throwing the ball at the player, which, I'm sure he is beating himself up over. And if he isn't, then maybe he does need to sit 2 or 3 games.

As a pro football player, I think the fans expect that as a player, You have to keep every situation in mind, and be mindful and accountable. ESPECIALLY WHEN U ARE ON THE 30 YARD LINE WITH JUST OVER 1:20 TO GO AND ARE DOWN BY THREE, AND ITS 3RD DOWN. Morgan will really need to prove himself. Not saying he cost us a loss, but he took our 50% chance down to about .000001 with the 62 yard FG. Bonehead is right.

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[quote=Mechanix544;941845]Exactly, if Morgan would have puffed his chest out, gotten up and shoved him after dropping the ball to the turf, there would not have been a flag, because that shiza was going on all damn game. It was the act of him throwing the ball at the player, which, I'm sure he is beating himself up over. And if he isn't, then maybe he does need to sit 2 or 3 games.

As a pro football player, I think the fans expect that as a player, You have to keep every situation in mind, and be mindful and accountable. ESPECIALLY WHEN U ARE ON THE 30 YARD LINE WITH JUST OVER 1:20 TO GO AND ARE DOWN BY THREE, AND ITS 3RD DOWN. [B]Morgan will really need to prove himself.[/B] Not saying he cost us a loss, but he took our 50% chance down to about .000001 with the 62 yard FG. Bonehead is right.[/quote]

Prediction. Morgan comes out and has a huge game against the Bengals to make up for the Rams debacle.

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What he did was boneheaded but it happens. Think how emotional we get sometimes and we aren't playing the game. To cut a guy over that would be a bit much.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/17/mike-shanahan-doesnt-need-an-apology-from-josh-morgan/]Mike Shanahan doesn’t need an apology from Josh Morgan | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=Monkeydad;941646]Robinson DID drop one! Hit him right on the hands.


Bonehead play by Morgan but between Bradford's GREAT day and the refs' horrible day...we can't blame Morgan completely.

Bottom line though, the Rams just outplayed us.



Hopefully Garcon is back next week...we're definitely a notch less dangerous on offense without him.

Am I the only one thinking, I bet Gano would have made that kick?[/quote]

Gano is the only one of the two that had a chance to make that kick.

Looks like me and josh morgan got retaliation penalties yesterday as i am fresh off my 24 hour ban. I fir one have learned my lesson and hope to high heaven morgan has too. Thank God this was not a playoff game.

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[quote=punch it in;941879]Looks like me and josh morgan got retaliation penalties yesterday as i am fresh off my 24 hour ban. I fir one have learned my lesson and hope to high heaven morgan has too. Thank God this was not a playoff game.[/quote]

Things were as chippy in the game thread as they were in the actual game. Had to hand out a couple of 24-hour boots yesterday. In the future just try to keep things more civil.

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[quote=Mattyk;941880]Things were as chippy in the game thread as they were in the actual game. Had to hand out a couple of 24-hour boots yesterday. In the future just try to keep things more civil.[/quote]

I realized I was a jackass about 30 seconds after I got booted. I wish the replacement refs would follow your lead.

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[quote=punch it in;941884]I wish the replacement refs would follow your lead.[/quote]

Replacement refs are like fake boobs. You can play with them, but the real ones are better.