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Polumbus is basically garbage. I can't even think about it or the blood pressure gets out of hand. Why on earth we didn't upgrade RT is beyond me.

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[quote=Mattyk;942165]Except when it comes to special teams.

Golston is one of our better blockers on teams.[/quote]

The goal is to decrease the amount of blocked kicks - bottom line. Offensive players block dozens of times a day their whole career. Defensive players only do it when they are on special teams or returning a pick. Its ok to have inexperienced protectors UNTIL you prove that you can't do it. At this point it is better to have experience there.

There are defensive players who can block (golston). There are offensive players who can tackle (paul). Of course there are exceptions but generally Offensive players block/pick up blitzes better than defensive players just like Defensive players generally tackle better than offensive players.

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Interesting.


[url=http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/bernie-miklasz/bernie-bytes-are-fisher-s-teams-dirty/article_4f714866-42b6-11e1-8a98-001a4bcf6878.html]Bernie Bytes: Are Fisher's teams dirty? : Stltoday[/url]


[quote]The fastidious Sando, who keeps track of penalties, kindly shared this information:

• From 2001-2010, the Titans led the NFL in most personal foul penalties with 163. The second-highest teams on the list for most PFs were the NY Giants and Arizona Cardinals, with 137.

Here's the breakdown ...

* The Titans led the NFL in unnecessary roughness penalties, 67.

* The Titans led the NFL in roughing the passer penalties, 46.

* The Titans were fifth in other variations of personal fouls (32) and sixth in unsportsmanlike conduct penalties (18.)[/quote]

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[quote=The Goat;942172]Polumbus is basically garbage. I can't even think about it or the blood pressure gets out of hand. Why on earth we didn't upgrade RT is beyond me.[/quote]
As Shanahan, and several other commentators, said there isn't a load of quality RT's sitting around doing nothin'. And most teams are complaining about their RT play. Polumbus isn't going to turn any heads, and if someone better comes available and we can afford him, then I am sure we will try to get them, but ultimately Line Play is about a cohesive unit, and I think our running and passing stats have shown some ability to account for less than stellar RT play.

the short answer is who did you want to replace him with?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;942185]As Shanahan, and several other commentators, said there isn't a load of quality RT's sitting around doing nothin'. And most teams are complaining about their RT play. Polumbus isn't going to turn any heads, and if someone better comes available and we can afford him, then I am sure we will try to get them, but ultimately Line Play is about a cohesive unit, and I think our running and passing stats have shown some ability to account for less than stellar RT play.

the short answer is who did you want to replace him with?[/quote]

I want to replace him with Silverblunt after we sign Ryan Clady

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TW is fine at left tackle. In fact we get (imo) good push when we run to the left. Why mess that up? If we are just playing Madden or Fantasy, I will take Oher and put him at RT.

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Robinson dropping the long bomb at the end. That would have resulted in (eventually, if not on that play) a TD and left us looking like world beaters, the entire WP forum would look different.

Possibly pink with unicorns and rainbows.....

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;942200]TW is fine at left tackle. In fact we get (imo) good push when we run to the left. Why mess that up? If we are just playing Madden or Fantasy, I will take Oher and put him at RT.[/quote]

Yeah running to the left has been much better than to the right, but I'll be curious to see how the stats look whenever somebody posts them. And the left side as protected well. The right side is consistently weak and it's on Polumbus.

Your question about who to get is a good one though, I mean it seems like developing a solid RT (over the last three years) as opposed to signing a FA, was necessary, but hasn't happened.

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[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/redskins-watch/2012/sep/18/redskins-rams-film-review-defense/]Redskins - Rams Film Review: DEFENSE - Washington Times[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;942299][url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/redskins-watch/2012/sep/18/redskins-rams-film-review-defense/]Redskins - Rams Film Review: DEFENSE - Washington Times[/url][/quote]

Confirms what I saw. Bowen has been a monster first 2 games and Wilson is playing like a beast.

C Griffen had a really really bad game.

Would like to hear more on Gomes, cause he has looked decent. But he did mention the huge negative I saw which was his inability to get to the edge before the blocker got there on the 54 yard run. If he gets there he woulda forced Richardson back inside.

Really nice blimp on Crawford at the end. Dude put him in at slot and move D Hall to the outside forcing C Griff off the field.

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Team gave up a lot to draft RGIII (and nothing to sign a kicker off the street). After the Morgan penalty and knowing Cundiff's woes beyond 50yards, give RGIII a chance to get a first down while Morgan sits on the bench. I would've been more satisfied with not converting in that scenario. Shanahan has to stay on his toes and show he's a disciplinarian.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2012/09/19/redskins-should-have-gone-for-a-first-down-after-josh-morgans-blunder/]Redskins should have gone for a first down after Josh Morgan’s blunder[/url]

I must be alone on this.

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[quote=RGIII;942327]Team gave up a lot to draft RGIII (and nothing to sign a kicker off the street). After the Morgan penalty and knowing Cundiff's woes beyond 50yards, give RGIII a chance to get a first down while Morgan sits on the bench. I would've been more satisfied with not converting in that scenario. Shanahan has to stay on his toes and show he's a disciplinarian.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2012/09/19/redskins-should-have-gone-for-a-first-down-after-josh-morgans-blunder/]Redskins should have gone for a first down after Josh Morgan’s blunder[/url]

I must be alone on this.[/quote]

You are not alone. I would have preferred to go for it. Cundiff had no realistic chance.

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Definitely should have gone for the first down instead. I read somewhere that there was about a 15% chance of making that FG, while it would have been about an 18% chance of picking up the first down. Slim chances either way.

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I would have preferred to go for it with Griffin. I honestly don't understand why we didn't take a shot, we still had time so we could have gone deep, or try for the first, and a quick spike.

Time to move on...

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[quote=Mattyk;942356]Definitely should have gone for the first down instead. I read somewhere that there was about a 15% chance of making that FG, while it would have been about an 18% chance of picking up the first down. Slim chances either way.[/quote]

A guy like RGIII increases your 18% changes. Heck, Banks isn't getting enough work as a returner anyway, throw a screen pass to him and let Morgan block Finnegan for him. Skins should've been the team going empty backfield with Briscoe, Moss, Robinson, Banks, Hankerson. What do I know. Just bummed out about what appears to be. I'll be over it once CIN comes to town. Hopefully that game won't do the same.

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I am with you guys. I don't understand why coach felt like we were in field goal range. I mean yes, its possible that he COULD make it but come on - stay in the moment and be realistic. It obviously was a bad decision partly because he missed it but mainly because it was out of his range. His longest fg made was 56 yards and that was a 62 yard attempt.

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i could kickoff about 50-55 yards from a tee, but the longest fg i ever made (in practice) was 40 yards. cundiff booms it 75+ yards on kickoffs, but falls several yards short on a 62 yard fg attempt.

does anyone know his longest fg made in warm-ups this season?

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Morgan made a boneheaded play at the worst possible time.

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Today, RGIII said the Rams game was unprofessional. And calls the Rams out for doing a lot of dirty things and taking cheap shots.

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Game is on NFL replay right now if anyone is interested.

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[quote=Mattyk;942577]Game is on NFL replay right now if anyone is interested.[/quote]

Watching it now. One of the things that stands out to me is the poor play of Tyler Polumbus when the right side is the point of attack. He gets thrown out of the way too easily, does not sustain blocks, and is a liability on pass protection half the time.

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Just watched the replay on NFLN, and thought about starting a new thread but I don't think any of us want to spend much more time dissecting this game. Gotta make a few observations.

[U]Offense[/U]

Polumbus is garbage. I realize Chris Long is very good, but Polumbus' effort is questionable and he regularly gets lost on blocking assignments or is just too slow getting there. There were at least a few instances where Polumbus just quit mid-play. He's got no business being on the field and we should be looking for another RT.

Run blocking is pretty consistent (apart from Polumbus) and the Rams do have a solid d line and LB corp. Unfortunately, until we get a RT who can consistently block a defender the ground attack cannot dominate and RGIII won't be comfortable in the pocket. Fred Davis is a better blocker than Polumbus btw...no joke.

Niles Paul has no business being on the field at this point, and it's arguable whether he should be an active player. He cannot block...anyone. On RGIII's first running TD Paul wasn't even close to getting a block on Finnegan. He held him and we're lucky it wasn't called. Paul couldn't block anyone, though luckily we didn't ask him to much. He's also a lousy pass-catching TE at this point. On the (only) pass I saw him catch in the 1st half he was indecisive and slow to get off his heels. All two TE sets should be Davis and Paulsen, and honestly we'd be better off putting Paul on the practice squad and bringing Cooley back.
RGIII is the offense. His pick happened because Polumbus hardly slowed Long down and RGIII didn't have anywhere to run, so he should have taken the sack. RGIII did stare his target (Davis I think) down, which pulled Finnegan off Moss for the INT. Had Polumbus done anything on this play RGIII would probably have seen Moss and turned it into a nice downfield play.

Finally, Morgan was losing his cool by the start of the 4th quarter. He's got the physical ability, but his head isn't right to be a starter.

[U]Defense[/U]

Lotus is correct, the d line didn't show up for this one. Bradford got the ball out quickly most of the time but there wasn't any pressure to begin with. Still...we could have one this game if Haslett knew what he was doing. We needed to be out of zone coverage half-way through the 1st quarter. Tight man with a safety hovering over the Welker clone. Is it possible for Haslett to get his act together?

Perry Riley isn't making an impact, and may be a liability. I'm not sure he would start anywhere else. Rob Jackson is good enough to start if he wouldn't take plays off. I think the way to go is constant rotation between Jackson and Wilson, and if Jackson still takes plays off I'd bench him for good (just a backup).

I liked how Mike took responsibility for the special teams fail, gotta respect that.

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[quote=The Goat;942612]Just watched the replay on NFLN, and thought about starting a new thread but I don't think any of us want to spend much more time dissecting this game. Gotta make a few observations.

[U]Offense[/U]

Polumbus is garbage. I realize Chris Long is very good, but Polumbus' effort is questionable and he regularly gets lost on blocking assignments or is just too slow getting there. There were at least a few instances where Polumbus just quit mid-play. He's got no business being on the field and we should be looking for another RT.

Run blocking is pretty consistent (apart from Polumbus) and the Rams do have a solid d line and LB corp. Unfortunately, until we get a RT who can consistently block a defender the ground attack cannot dominate and RGIII won't be comfortable in the pocket. Fred Davis is a better blocker than Polumbus btw...no joke.

Niles Paul has no business being on the field at this point, and it's arguable whether he should be an active player. He cannot block...anyone. On RGIII's first running TD Paul wasn't even close to getting a block on Finnegan. He held him and we're lucky it wasn't called. Paul couldn't block anyone, though luckily we didn't ask him to much. He's also a lousy pass-catching TE at this point. On the (only) pass I saw him catch in the 1st half he was indecisive and slow to get off his heels. All two TE sets should be Davis and Paulsen, and honestly we'd be better off putting Paul on the practice squad and bringing Cooley back.
RGIII is the offense. His pick happened because Polumbus hardly slowed Long down and RGIII didn't have anywhere to run, so he should have taken the sack. RGIII did stare his target (Davis I think) down, which pulled Finnegan off Moss for the INT. Had Polumbus done anything on this play RGIII would probably have seen Moss and turned it into a nice downfield play.

Finally, Morgan was losing his cool by the start of the 4th quarter. He's got the physical ability, but his head isn't right to be a starter.

[U]Defense[/U]

Lotus is correct, the d line didn't show up for this one. Bradford got the ball out quickly most of the time but there wasn't any pressure to begin with. Still...[U][B]we could have one this game if Haslett knew what he was doing. We needed to be out of zone coverage half-way through the 1st quarter. Tight man with a safety hovering over the Welker clone. Is it possible for Haslett to get his act together? [/B][/U]

Perry Riley isn't making an impact, and may be a liability. I'm not sure he would start anywhere else. Rob Jackson is good enough to start if he wouldn't take plays off. I think the way to go is constant rotation between Jackson and Wilson, and if Jackson still takes plays off I'd bench him for good (just a backup).

I liked how Mike took responsibility for the special teams fail, gotta respect that.[/quote]

We don't have the secondary to play a over man defense without crippling our pass rush. I don't see how people don't understand that. It's not Haslett, it's our lack of talent.

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[quote=Bucket;942614]We don't have the secondary to play a over man defense without crippling our pass rush. I don't see how people don't understand that. It's not Haslett, it's our lack of talent.[/quote]

Then why did we have far better pass rush against the Saints while holding man coverage nearly all game?

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[quote=The Goat;942616]Then why did we have far better pass rush against the Saints while holding man coverage nearly all game?[/quote]

Because we didn't..

I wouldn't call 31 points stopping anyone. Josh Wilson, Carriker, and Orakpo were in the game against the Saints and they have nobody who is at the speed of Amendola in their WR core.

Yeah, we can coat it that Bree's had a suspect game and we limited his completions, etc. Our scheme against the Saints was almost identical to the one we ran against the Rams. A few more Man coverages, but that's because of one reason.......

Rams WR's are superior in speed to our DB's which the Saints are not. I would of preferred to see more of Crawford in the game vs the Rams because even though he is young and new to the defense. He has the quickest feet of all our secondary.

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[quote=Bucket;942618]Because we didn't..

I wouldn't call 31 points stopping anyone. Josh Wilson, Carriker, and Orakpo were in the game against the Saints and [B]they have nobody who is at the speed of Amendola in their WR core.[/B]

Yeah, we can coat it that Bree's had a suspect game and we limited his completions, etc. Our scheme against the Saints was almost identical to the one we ran against the Rams. A few more Man coverages, but that's because of one reason.......

Rams WR's are superior in speed to our DB's which the Saints are not. I would of preferred to see more of Crawford in the game vs the Rams because even though he is young and new to the defense. He has the quickest feet of all our secondary.[/quote]

Devery Henderson, Lance Moore...Really?!?

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[quote=CultBrennan59;942622]Devery Henderson, Lance Moore...Really?!?[/quote]

Really..... im not going to debate who is quicker or faster, etc.

You guys read in to stats to much, but we all watched the same game. Our secondary never really stopped anyone in either game. That blame can be put on Haslett, Morris, front office, Head Coach, and players themselves. Not just one man.

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[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/09/20/signature-stats-leaders-week-2/[/url]

There is Polumbus 4th worst pass blocking, allowing QB pressures

But a positive, Josh Wilson 2nd best CB allowing yards again in coverage. Thats awesome.

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[quote=Chico23231;942700][URL]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/09/20/signature-stats-leaders-week-2/[/URL]

There is Polumbus 4th worst pass blocking, allowing QB pressures

But a positive, Josh Wilson 2nd best CB allowing yards again in coverage. Thats awesome.[/quote]

Nice find boss. Wilson is a keeper for sure.

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One other thing I noticed watching the replay is Kerrigan gets respect out there! I keyed on him quite a bit and just didn't see the Rams get chippy the way they did with other guys.

The Ram (forget who) slamming on London after the whistle made you want to throw the remote at the TV...wish we had one that game.

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Why are people bitching about Polumbus? Did any actually think he could block Chris Long one on one? C'mon people. Use common sense. He's limited in what he can do and he should've got more help. Remember Jamal Brown should be starting over at RT.

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[quote=skinsfan69;942740]Why are people bitching about Polumbus? Did any actually think he could block Chris Long one on one? C'mon people. Use common sense. He's limited in what he can do and he should've got more help. Remember Jamal Brown should be starting over at RT.[/quote]

because its such an epic fail that it needs to be pointed out. shanny and bruce fumbled on this one

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[quote=skinsfan69;942740]Why are people bitching about Polumbus? Did any actually think he could block Chris Long one on one? C'mon people. Use common sense. He's limited in what he can do and he should've got more help. Remember Jamal Brown should be starting over at RT.[/quote]

Jamaal Brown is another fail by the regime though...it's kind of all one big sh!t show at RT the last two seasons and hard to see a fix soon because you just can't rely on Brown.

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[quote=The Goat;942752]Jamaal Brown is another fail by the regime though...it's kind of all one big sh!t show at RT the last two seasons and hard to see a fix soon because you just can't rely on Brown.[/quote]

Can't fix RT til next year.

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[quote=Mattyk;942577]Game is on NFL replay right now if anyone is interested.[/quote]

I passed. I couldn't watch it again.

I DVR'd the game like I usually do even when watching live. As soon as it was over, I deleted it. It made me sick.



Still have the Saints game saved though.

I watched Rex torch the Giants from last season about a month ago to get in the mood for football.

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[quote=skinsfan69;942740]Why are people bitching about Polumbus? Did any actually think he could block Chris Long one on one? C'mon people. Use common sense. He's limited in what he can do and he should've got more help. Remember Jamal Brown should be starting over at RT.[/quote]

People believe every other team has all pros at every position and we should too

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[quote=SmootSmack;942813]People believe every other team has all pros at every position and we should too[/quote]

I just want a starter.


I think most people are over Carlos Mencia, he's not that funny and never was.

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[quote=skinsfan69;942740]Why are people bitching about Polumbus? Did any actually think he could block Chris Long one on one? C'mon people. Use common sense. He's limited in what he can do and he should've got more help. Remember Jamal Brown should be starting over at RT.[/quote]

People were just pointing out how bad he was. Ironically, you're the only one that comes across as bitching...

The good news is that Wilson appears ready to go this week. Having Wilson out for any period of time would have been detrimental.

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WOW

Rich Campbell ‏@Rich_Campbell

Whoa, the Redskins - Rams game produced more than $55,000 in fines, according to the NFL.

edit: The List:[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/redskins-watch/2012/sep/21/out-hand-redskins-rams-game-results-least-55000-fi/]"Out of hand" Redskins-Rams game results in at least $55,000 in fines - Washington Times[/url]

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Shouldn't the league also fine the refs for poor officiating, or better yet sit them for a game?