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I didn't get to see the game because I was at work, but got to follow the absolutely atrocious gamecast on espn mobile...
That being said...I thought we would lose this one.
Without going into THE injury, or coaching, or anything like that (because I only saw highlights)
We are an average team, that got beat by an above average team...
The promising thing about this, though, is that we are finally an average team.
For quite some time now, we have been a below average team. We need to get healthy, and in sync.
And to go further (and this might be for another thread in a day or 2), but I see us taking the Vikings next week.
Even though this was a loss.......they are gonna go hard at Minnesota next week. I'm not Vegas, but I would bet on it.

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And, oh yea...I forgot....
Get rid of Cundiff....
he is f^(#ing clown shoes.

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[quote=NC_Skins;950257]I don't recall anybody saying Garcon sucks. The only thing that I have said and others have said is that he didn't have a good game.[/quote]

Eh, I saw a couple of people question if he was worth even signing after today

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Glad I didn't miss much in the GAMEDAY thread today lol

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[quote=SmootSmack;950265]Eh, I saw a couple of people question if he was worth even signing after today[/quote]

Yeah, read a few Garcon sucks comments a few pages back.. lol This guy is good.

If you were watching the game you would have seen there was alot that would lead you to believe that we could very well have won if RGIII wasn't lost.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;950269]Glad I didn't miss much in the GAMEDAY thread today lol[/quote]

With some of the post game thoughts I think it may have been a little unbearable today. lol

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[quote=RGIII;950248]It's not a matter of intelligence. It's controlling the impulse.[/quote]

Whatever you want to call it, he's a quick learner. I think he'll adjust.

I didn't think the redskins played badly today at all, but when you play up to your potential once every four weeks, you tend not to do yourself any favors when you run into tough circumstances. The Falcons just keep making good personnel moves year after year (though I'm still not sure about the Jones trade).

Defense looked good today and didn't really struggle in the second half like they did in the saints game. Coaching was not a major liability today, which was cool. Well, Cousins being the no. 2 over Grossman may be a questionable decision, but this was a bed we made on draft day instead of during this practice week.

Cousins can't really be graded today. Now if he starts vs Minnesota....

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Garcon is good when healthy. Coaching staff, in my opinion, is holding RG3 back. RG3 needs to learn to run out of bounds instead of getting killed. I expect a fine to the player who hit him in the helmet...

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Here is a question for you guys, if RGIII cant play next week (most of us have a feeling he will) would you start Rex or Kirk?

Rex may be capable of playing one good game. or not...... lol

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VT-

On that play I actually thought there was a lane straight up field before he rolled so far out to try to find a receiver.

Also agree with you on a fine and I am a little surprised there wasn't a flag... but oh well I think it could have gone easily one way or the other with the unnecessary roughness call not a big deal to me.

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[quote=VTSkins1961;950280]Garcon is good when healthy. Coaching staff, in my opinion, is holding RG3 back. RG3 needs to learn to run out of bounds instead of getting killed. I expect a fine to the player who hit him in the helmet...[/quote]

How are they holding him back?

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[quote=SmootSmack;950283]How are they holding him back?[/quote]

Not letting him air it out. I'll be specific. RGIII seems to have most downfield success in spread formations. I understand the want to run the ball with Morris but, Morris is just as good running from singleback formations as he his from the I.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;950281]Here is a question for you guys, if RGIII cant play next week (most of us have a feeling he will) would you start Rex or Kirk?

Rex may be capable of playing one good game. or not...... lol[/quote]

If it were me, Grossman would have been the #2 QB who could step in if RG3 went down during the game because (as much as everyone think he sucks) he's been in this league for a decade and can step in to live game action cold. Then I start prepping Cousins all week to be the starter the following week

That said, I think RG3 will start (but I think if he didn't I'd go with Kirk)

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[quote=SmootSmack;950265]Eh, I saw a couple of people question if he was worth even signing after today[/quote]

I mean, I think we should just blow up the team. Game over man. Time to start over.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;950286]I mean, I think we should just blow up the team. Game over man. Time to start over.[/quote]

Totally agree

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It felt to me in the fourth quarter the stage was to big for Cousins. I thought he would have gained some confidence in going out there and hitting the big play to Moss. He looked like a 4th round rookie in the fourth. Those two picks were terrible.

SS- after stating that you are right about using Rex in an in game situation due to his knowledge of the offense.

It also shows us just how good we have it at QB with the starter.

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lol... DR lol...

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I hate Cousins hair. But seriosly, What was RGIII thinking/seeing? That was game.

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[quote=VTSkins1961;950280]Garcon is good when healthy. Coaching staff, in my opinion, is holding RG3 back. RG3 needs to learn to run out of bounds instead of getting killed. I expect a fine to the player who hit him in the helmet...[/quote]

I'd be surprised if there was a fine. It was a pretty clean hit. I think that play was all on RG3, he needs to recognize when there are no options and throw the ball away.

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[quote=RGIII;950290]I hate Cousins hair.[/quote]

Now we're talking.

His stylist is holding him back.

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[quote=Mattyk;950292]Now we're talking.

His stylist his holding him back.[/quote]

Supercuts strikes again.

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[quote=RGIII;950248]It's not a matter of intelligence. It's controlling the impulse.[/quote]

Which impulse?

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[quote=imaskin4life;950298]Which impulse?[/quote]

The impulse to do too much

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Kirk Cousins = next Tom Brady. He already has the hair, number, being a backup and college conference down. Super Bowl! Haha

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We haven't talked about it much, but I brought it up in the game day thread...twice Madieu Williams had relatively easy interceptions but instead went for the big hit and had the football bounce off of him. The first was just before a TO anyway. But still, he needs to be more aware

[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;950286]I mean, I think we should just blow up the team. Game over man. Time to start over.[/QUOTE]Serious question: are there any pieces of the current team we can off load for picks this upcoming week? Like, someone could use Santana Moss or Fred Davis right? We need the picks.

Maybe Wilson or someone could draw a return. We need to keep our good players, but at the same time, it only makes sense if we'll be competing with them this year.

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[quote=SmootSmack;950299]The impulse to do too much[/quote]

when you say to "do too much" im assuming your saying to run too much? if not, what do you mean

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[quote=GTripp0012;950304]Serious question: are there any pieces of the current team we can off load for picks this upcoming week? Like, someone could use Santana Moss or Fred Davis right? We need the picks.

Maybe Wilson or someone could draw a return. We need to keep our good players, but at the same time, it only makes sense if we'll be competing with them this year.[/quote]

Jets could use a WR...but no we don't need to trade anyone this week for middle of the road picks

[QUOTE=Mechanix544;950173]I guess after watching him the first 4 games this season, i think your attempt at making a point falls miserably flat. Rg3, down one score with a quarter and a half left, and it doesnt matter, he would have lost it regardless? Bullshit. Had he not gotten injured, he could have easily brought this team back for a win. No logic in ur comment, especially since he has at times slung this team over his shoulder almost on a weekly basis, and won the game, or at least willed the team and gave us a shot at the win.

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I would go so far as to say he absolutely would have won this game in the fourth. So dumb to say it doesnt matter - yeah because based on what we have seen he would have missed a wide open miss and thrown at least two picks. Oh my god!?!


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[quote=imaskin4life;950305]when you say to "do too much" im assuming your saying to run too much? if not, what do you mean[/quote]

To make a play when the best play is throw it away or step out of bounds

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[quote=punch it in;950307]I would go so far as to say he absolutely would have won this game in the fourth. So dumb to say it doesnt matter - yeah because based on what we have seen he would have missed a wide open miss and thrown at least two picks. Oh my god!?!


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Perhaps. But I think even before the injury it was RG3's worst performance of the season. Unless they went Jordan Triangle in the 4th, I'm not sure Griffin would have been the reason for the win

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i agree Griff needs to run out of bounds when there is no chance to get the first or TD, but from our view weather it be on tv or at the actual game we see much more than what his point of view is, I agree he needs to go out of bounds more but there is a very thin line between when you know and dont know if you can make a play and get the first or td especially when you are running as fast as these guys.

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[quote=SmootSmack;950308]To make a play when the best play is throw it away or step out of bounds[/quote]

I agree with you that he needed to step out of bounds or throw it away on that play but I disagree that "controlling the impulse" to make a play is the way correct it.

I actually like his impulse to make a play - I think he just needs to get better at PROTECTING himself. Yes, get out of bounds, throw the ball away, slide, etc. instead of getting that 1 extra yard. But definitely keep your impulse to make a play.

[QUOTE=The Goat;950194]Just got to watch the game, and am thankful for DVR because that was excruciating and "regular speed" would have killed me lol. The Falcons played their worst three quarters of football in the last three seasons, and then finally started to look like themselves in the 4th quarter. Up to that point Ryan was totally off his game. But you knew he'd get his head straight at some point and we'd lose (regardless of RG3's injury).

Once again we we're soundly outcoached in all phases of the game. The league has completely got Kyle's number unless he puts the game in RG3's hands.

After five games there are three resounding facts that any honest, intelligent observer has to make:

1) This defense is garbage compared to the one Mike and Bruce inherited.

2) Our best downfield targets are guys Mike and Bruce inherited. As I've said since the end of last season, Fred Davis is our best target and Moss second, though the way Kyle and maybe RG3 as a consequence force the ball toward other WRs, namely Garcon, our best WR isn't getting much work. Garcon just isn't very good.

3) And most importantly, the Skins are still far and away the worst team in the division.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but it has gotten almost ridiculous to come here (I won't even go in to ES) and read posts defending the Shanahans, or anything about the current regime. These guys (not the players) are losers, in every sense of the word.

We have RG3, but to save him we've got to get a real coaching staff and FO in place.[/QUOTE]

It sure is starting to seem like it. I mean they traded up for rg3. That is kind of a no brainer after rex/beck. We made a deal and got rg-3 Great. It sure is starting to appear thAt alot of other personnel decisions were just bad. If rg-3 doesnt play next week we Are going to see a real disaster of a team. A disaster of a team that is the brain child of shanallen. I know im going to hear every excuse in the world now about well if this guy wasnt hurt or this guy had just done this or its not the coaches fault that such in such was this and that. Of course shanny didnt miss a 31 yard fg. No but shanny chose the dude who did to be our kicker. Josh morgan and pierre garcon - thats where we spent our money? Oh wait josh morgan is an awesome blocker!?! I do not believe this team is ready to win next year. I really dont. Our defense is light years away. Our receivers are not that good. We have no kicker and our punter is not good either. We have very questionable depth on our o-line and absolutely no talent at rt. Thanks for alfred morris. Shanny could be a special running back scout. Lol. Call me debbie downer. Call me ignorant. Call me whatever you want. Coaching staff has to go. Now bring on the tongue lashing i am about to receive because it helps you vent your own frustration without having to bad mouth your team. Im a big boy. I can handle it.


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I put a lot of today's game on the play calling on offense. In hindsight it may seem nuts but there had to be at least 4 or 5 times they cold have called the keeper off of the stretch on third and short and there was a ton of open field. Not converting on third downs was a killer all game.

Another big piece of my blame goes to Mike and Bruce. If by now they haven't been able to replace Reed Doughty it is a failure on their part. I know he's a backup safety but he's a bad one. He is simply a liability whenever he gets on the field. It's not his fault that he gets put in positions that he is not capable of performing in. He doesn't belong on an NFL roster. Same thing with our kicker situation and the RT position. Utter failure on all three counts. Inexcusable that we haven't had a reliable kicker since Moseley. Polumbus was awful, simply awful all season. It was negligent to resign Jammal Brown last season. They should have addressed this by now. It's been since about 2006 when Jansen was still healthy when this position wasn't a huge problem for this team.

I've been a Shanny backer but said at the season outset that my judgement starts this season and today wasn't a good day for him.

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[quote=SmootSmack;950309]Perhaps. But I think even before the injury it was RG3's worst performance of the season. Unless they went Jordan Triangle in the 4th, I'm not sure Griffin would have been the reason for the win[/quote]

It was ATLs gameplan to kill the clock and keep RGIII on the sidelines. ATL knew the big play was there for the taking but, instead used a ball control offense to limit the Skins touches. RGIII attempted less than 20 passes. Ryan attempted over 50. Consequently, the game was close. Skins settled for not opening up the passing attack on first and second downs. Take that in consieration that they've been terrible on 3rd down all year. I said it before and maybe I cannot express it the best way but, the Skins showed their hand operating out of the I-formation so much. RGIII is handcuffed not operating out of the spread formations. Any QB is.

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[quote=SmootSmack;950196]I like how you get all upset when "the Shanahan apologists, especially a mod" [I]belittle[/I] someone's opinion yet you seem to have no issue saying that whoever disagrees with you is basically not intelligent[/quote]

I didn't use the word dumb, or moron or any of the others I've seen from the Shanahan apologists. That said, I absolutely stand by the post, hands down, no questions.

Hadn't even read the thread when I posted but as I go back through it's pretty telling that no one else pointed out how bad the Falcons, particularly Ryan, were up to the 4th quarter. Ryan hasn't been that inaccurate since his rookie season.

Again, this is not a serious football team, because we don't have a serious coaching staff or front office, and that simply has everything to do with Mike Shanahan. His goofy kiddo makes it worse, but obviously Kyle wouldn't be here if Mike wasn't. Mike's the problem. We won't be a winning team until he's gone. But I won't stop being a fan because I know this to be true. That's not how it works.

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[quote=imaskin4life;950314]I agree with you that he needed to step out of bounds or throw it away on that play but I disagree that "controlling the impulse" to make a play is the way correct it.

I actually like his impulse to make a play - I think he just needs to get better at PROTECTING himself. Yes, get out of bounds, throw the ball away, slide, etc. instead of getting that 1 extra yard. But definitely keep your impulse to make a play.[/quote]

Point taken.