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mooby 10-23-2012 06:24 AM

[QUOTE=Swarley;955877]How did the offense lose the game? lol[/QUOTE]

They didn't score enough points ;).

Ruhskins 10-23-2012 09:20 AM

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[quote=Swarley;955877]How did the offense lose the game? lol[/quote]

The defense lost the game by giving up a 77 yd TD to Cruz. The offense contributed to this by turning the ball over 3 times, going 0-2 in the red zone, only getting three points off turnovers, and not scoring any points in the 3rd quarter.

KI Skins Fan 10-23-2012 09:23 AM

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Raheem Morris: Safety

JoeRedskin 10-23-2012 10:41 AM

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[quote=The Goat;955866]Another solid post jdc. There's no doubt Eli to Cruz is one of the better pairs in pro football. Who's to say Williams would have made the play had he been positioned correctly before the snap? At least he'd have the chance...

But it was the offense that really lost this game. What comes next there?[/quote]

Sorry, "What comes next there?". Hopefully, more of the same minus the turnovers and a return to the red zone efficiency they have shown all year.

You complained that they were not protecting RGIII: Adjustments were made to create less exposure for him and he is learning to protect himself.

You complained they weren't converting on third downs: Last two weeks have seen substantial improvements in the percentages.

You complain, consistently, that they are predictable. That predictability has led to one of the most prolific offenses in the NFL this year.

I have yet, and maybe I missed it, to see some acknowledgement of the vast improvement this offense has made from last year to this and, if you assert that the improvement is due to RGIII, an acknowledgement of the schematic adjustments that were made to take advantage of RGIII's rare abilities and skills.

I have never "ignored" anyone, but your pedantic criticism is really making me rethink that policy.

CRedskinsRule 10-23-2012 10:43 AM

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Good read:

[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/22/daly-no-quick-fix-for-redskins-dreadful-secondary/]DALY: No quick fix for Redskins' dreadful secondary - Washington Times[/url]

punch it in 10-23-2012 10:52 AM

[QUOTE=Bucket;955872]I have come to the conclusion that you are the worse poster here.

The setup before the snap was a organized double team to anticipate the option route. The Giants ran the option route, and the play call for the defense was perfect. If you watch the play.. Williams was stoned and his feet flat. So Cruz ran right by him..[/QUOTE]

You play prevent there. Safetey all the way back. Thats it. If we played them tomorrow and it wound up the same way - that is exactly what we do.


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punch it in 10-23-2012 10:59 AM

[QUOTE=The Goat;955866]Another solid post jdc. There's no doubt Eli to Cruz is one of the better pairs in pro football. Who's to say Williams would have made the play had he been positioned correctly before the snap? At least he'd have the chance...

But it was the offense that really lost this game. What comes next there?[/QUOTE]

I dont know Goat. I am of the school of thought that RG-3 is keeping alot of jobs safe. Alot of coaches that have won one playoff game in 13 years( i wont say any names). However, I am very impressed with A-Mo, the O-line, and of course RG-3. I cant really blame the offense for anything.
There were some ball protection problems but that happens to everyone.
Lets see if we can somehow fix our defense during this off season. We dont even have to fix it alot - just alittle bit, and that should put us on the winning end of alot of games.


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CRedskinsRule 10-23-2012 11:04 AM

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[quote=punch it in;955953]You play prevent there. Safetey all the way back. Thats it. If we played them tomorrow and it wound up the same way - that is exactly what we do.


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I keep seeing Prevent, but fact is a FG ties it so you can't go full prevent.

One article I saw said that the Cowboys played it the way it should be done against the Panthers, but they panthers NEEDED a TD a FG was useless to them. In our game the FG wasn't useless, so we had to protect more of the field, and in the end we got burned, as we have many times in the past, whether under GB or Haslett or any for the last 10 years :(

punch it in 10-23-2012 11:10 AM

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;955966]I keep seeing Prevent, but fact is a FG ties it so you can't go full prevent.

One article I saw said that the Cowboys played it the way it should be done against the Panthers, but they panthers NEEDED a TD a FG was useless to them. In our game the FG wasn't useless, so we had to protect more of the field, and in the end we got burned, as we have many times in the past, whether under GB or Haslett or any for the last 10 years :([/QUOTE]

I am totally playing for OT in that position and hoping for Eli to miss some short throws ( like he was all game), or a missed FG, or a turnover. I know how dangerous that offense is in the last two minutes of the game - if you have watched them play during the last ten years you know too. The one and only thing im gaurding against is the long ball and prevent is the way to do that. Not double covering Cruz with a cripple and a crapple.


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CRedskinsRule 10-23-2012 11:16 AM

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[quote=punch it in;955970]I am totally playing for OT in that position and hoping for Eli to miss some short throws ( like he was all game), or a missed FG, or a turnover. I know how dangerous that offense is in the last two minutes of the game - if you have watched them play during the last ten years you know too. The one and only thing im gaurding against is the long ball and prevent is the way to do that. Not double covering Cruz with a cripple and a crapple.


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I said jokingly somewhere else, but honestly their quickstrike was a better play for us. If Moss doesn't fumble, our offense has as good a chance to score another winning TD with the time on the clock. Dink Dunk and still get the TD, as one expects Manning to do, - I don't expect him in the last 2 minutes to give a turnover, or Tynes to miss the FG - and we have no time left.

There is no doubt the Skins need to figure out a solution, I just don't know that that solution is even a twinkle in Shanny's eye yet.

The Goat 10-23-2012 12:07 PM

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[quote=Bucket;955872]I have come to the conclusion that you are the worse poster here.

The setup before the snap was a organized double team to anticipate the option route. The Giants ran the option route, and the play call for the defense was perfect. If you watch the play.. Williams was stoned and his feet flat. So Cruz ran right by him..[/quote]

The double team was "half" the story, which Haslett got right. The other half of the story is positioning your backup, slower FS 25 yds or so off the LOS instead of about 12 yds off. Again, giving up 5, 10, even 15 yards is ok, and especially if you keep them from getting out of bounds. What you cannot give up in the situation is a TD. With Eli to Cruz one of the premier TD pairs in the league you have to expect it.

You don't have to read my posts son, use the ignore list.

punch it in 10-23-2012 12:08 PM

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;955974]I said jokingly somewhere else, but honestly their quickstrike was a better play for us. If Moss doesn't fumble, our offense has as good a chance to score another winning TD with the time on the clock. Dink Dunk and still get the TD, as one expects Manning to do, - I don't expect him in the last 2 minutes to give a turnover, or Tynes to miss the FG - and we have no time left.

There is no doubt the Skins need to figure out a solution, I just don't know that that solution is even a twinkle in Shanny's eye yet.[/QUOTE]

Our d is so bad that i was thinking the same thing when Cruz was running "go go save us the time!" Lol.


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punch it in 10-23-2012 12:10 PM

[QUOTE=The Goat;955997]The double team was "half" the story, which Haslett got right. The other half of the story is positioning your backup, slower FS 25 yds or so off the LOS instead of about 12 yds off. Again, giving up 5, 10, even 15 yards is ok, and especially if you keep them from getting out of bounds. What you cannot give up in the situation is a TD. With Eli to Cruz one of the premier TD pairs in the league you have to expect it.

You don't have to read my posts son, use the ignore list.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Williams 10 yards off the line of scrimmage as your last line of defense? Wtf? We would gave been better off putting a gatorade cooler on wheels 20 yards off and taking williams off the field! Lol

Edit: anyone who defends where Williams was positioned ( which is where the coaches wanted him- not xbox blah blah blah ) , has not noticed that we have been a wee bit susceptible to the long ball this year! If it was 3rd and 15 early in the game than sure it was a good scheme/ playcall. Not with 1:30 left in the freaking game when a giants td beats us!!!!! Ugggh.
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The Goat 10-23-2012 12:11 PM

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[quote=JoeRedskin;955943]Sorry, "What comes next there?". Hopefully, more of the same minus the turnovers and a return to the red zone efficiency they have shown all year.

You complained that they were not protecting RGIII: Adjustments were made to create less exposure for him and he is learning to protect himself.

You complained they weren't converting on third downs: Last two weeks have seen substantial improvements in the percentages.

You complain, consistently, that they are predictable. That predictability has led to one of the most prolific offenses in the NFL this year.

I have yet, and maybe I missed it, to see some acknowledgement of the vast improvement this offense has made from last year to this and, if you assert that the improvement is due to RGIII, an acknowledgement of the schematic adjustments that were made to take advantage of RGIII's rare abilities and skills.

I have never "ignored" anyone, but your pedantic criticism is really making me rethink that policy.[/quote]

I've used the ignore feature quite a bit and it makes the TWP experience all the better. Come out and say hello from time to time.

RGIII 10-23-2012 12:30 PM

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Williams should've been thinking in that situation, "I can't allow my slow ass to get burned in this situation so, let me back the **** up".

punch it in 10-23-2012 12:39 PM

[QUOTE=RGIII;956009]Williams should've been thinking in that situation, "I can't allow my slow ass to get burned in this situation so, let me back the **** up".[/QUOTE]

The playcall by Haslett determines whether you are 10 or 25 yards off the line of scrimmage. Nobody is arguing that Williams made a bad read which got him in a position to get burned. I am saying that in that part of the game you dont call for a package that even makes that possible.


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mooby 10-23-2012 12:51 PM

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[quote=punch it in;955953]You play prevent there. Safetey all the way back. Thats it. If we played them tomorrow and it wound up the same way - that is exactly what we do.


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If you play prevent you might as well allow them to waltz down the field into field goal range. The call was correct, the talent was inadequate. Haslett called for double teams on Cruz and Nicks, and unfortunately the safety assigned to the double team on Cruz just so happened to be Madieu Williams, who is too old to cover a guy like Cruz. Williams was about 12 yards behind the line, and they did a great job putting two guys on his side of the field, which made him hesitate long enough before he was extremely late getting back to cover Cruz. Eli threw a perfect ball and that's all it takes. Sometimes it's not what the coach calls, it's about the talent on the field.

imaskin4life 10-23-2012 01:12 PM

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[quote=mooby;956018]If you play prevent you might as well allow them to waltz down the field into field goal range. The call was correct, the talent was inadequate. Haslett called for double teams on Cruz and Nicks, and unfortunately the safety assigned to the double team on Cruz just so happened to be Madieu Williams, who is too old to cover a guy like Cruz. Williams was about 12 yards behind the line, and they did a great job putting two guys on his side of the field, which made him hesitate long enough before he was extremely late getting back to cover Cruz. Eli threw a perfect ball and that's all it takes. Sometimes it's not what the coach calls, it's about the talent on the field.[/quote]

I would have rather had both safeties deep in zone coverage. I have a problem with ANY safety on our team being in man coverage with Cruz or their other WRs- even if its a double team. No safety runs with Cruz on the fly pattern. Keep the safeties BACK - they are too slow to be in man coverage.

At some point with all of these big plays on our secondary it would be nice if Haslett began to value the safety position helping with deep coverage. I am pretty sure we are one of the worst in the league in covering the deep pass.

Oh, and madieu williams sucks.

punch it in 10-23-2012 01:15 PM

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[quote=mooby;956018]If you play prevent you might as well allow them to waltz down the field into field goal range. The call was correct, the talent was inadequate. Haslett called for double teams on Cruz and Nicks, and unfortunately the safety assigned to the double team on Cruz just so happened to be Madieu Williams, who is too old to cover a guy like Cruz. Williams was about 12 yards behind the line, and they did a great job putting two guys on his side of the field, which made him hesitate long enough before he was extremely late getting back to cover Cruz. Eli threw a perfect ball and that's all it takes. Sometimes it's not what the coach calls, it's about the talent on the field.[/quote]

Well its not an automatic field goal first of all, and second of all we are acting like we didnt know Williams was old and slow until this play occured. Again - in this particular situation - Eli Manning and the Giants on a potential game winning drive, I think you have to swallow your pride a little bit and accept the fact that no matter what you call with our personnel that they are going to eat you up with 1:30 left. So - again - play it safe. Keep them out of the endzone at all costs, and take your chances on them getting into fieldgoal range - worse case scenario is OT. I understand what we did, I just dont agree with it. I am not usually conservative in thought when I watch the games - trust me. I was loving those 4th down calls - loving them. This last drive by the Giants I wanted conservative and didnt get it. They got burned. My wife for the first time in my life was watching and cheering for the Redskins and yelling GO GO GO when Moss caught that ball. I could not believe it. I stand by my original statement that if we could play that last sequence over agian there is no way Williams is not 25 yards off the line of scrimmage, and we are not going conservative. oh well. I still think we win the division so who cares.

Deivybaby 10-23-2012 01:20 PM

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I got a question if Raheem Morris is gonna be our new DC why would he do a 3-4 D when he was more of a 4-3 tampa 2 coach?. We are just fooling our selves we would be in our 4th year with an inexperienced HC that would come into a new season with a unfamiliar system. I think we should go back to the 4-3 or hope a young hungry 3-4 DC is around Im still hoping Rex Ryan gets fired so we can go ahead and hire him.


But my advice to shanny is to be smart and not put his ego into this. It will get him fired not for the offense but the defensive mistakes hes done to this team and in Denver.

JoeRedskin 10-23-2012 01:49 PM

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[quote=RGIII;956009]Williams should've been thinking in that situation, "I can't allow my slow ass to get burned in this situation so, let me back the **** up".[/quote]

Yup. Somewhere is the breakdown and it shows Williams flat footed as Cruz blows past Wilson (who was clearly focused on taking out the short route). The moment Cruz had a step on Wilson, for Williams to be doing anything but flipping his hips and taking off downfield is mind boggling. Williams essentially waited until Cruz was at his level before he starts running downfield. With proper reaction, he has a 10 yard cushion and has a play on the ball. Sitting there watching a faster play run past you at full speed before starting your sprint is inexcusable.

He F'd up plain and simple.

REDSKINS4ever 10-23-2012 03:46 PM

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There' been plays like that before. Does everyone remember the Monday Night Miracle in Dallas were Santana Moss got behind Roy Williams not once but twice? Madieu Williams seemed like he just froze or something and Cruz flew past him. You can't do that. Now Mike Shanahan is trying to downplay it in the media.

Cruz was the Giants most dangerous receiver. He's had receptions of 99 and 80 yards in his career. He even had over 1,500 yards receiving last year. How does the defense allow that to happen? I'm willing to forgive Williams and overlook his blunder only because he got a pick 6 against the Vikings.

Swarley 10-23-2012 04:52 PM

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[quote=Ruhskins;955890]The defense lost the game by giving up a 77 yd TD to Cruz. The offense contributed to this by turning the ball over 3 times, going 0-2 in the red zone, only getting three points off turnovers, and not scoring any points in the 3rd quarter.[/quote]

The difference is the offense did what it had to when the game was on the line and when it mattered most, the defense did not. They crapped the bed.

Ruhskins 10-23-2012 05:15 PM

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[quote=Swarley;956155]The difference is the offense did what it had to when the game was on the line and when it mattered most, the defense did not. They crapped the bed.[/quote]

If the offense had cut down on the mistakes early on, the game would not have been on the line. As I've said, I am not excusing the horrible defensive gaffe, but you can't beat the Giants or any good team by expecting offensive/defensive heroics in the 4th quarter.

JoeRedskin 10-23-2012 05:19 PM

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[quote=Ruhskins;956163]If the offense had cut down on the mistakes early on, the game would not have been on the line. As I've said, I am not excusing the horrible defensive gaffe, but you can't beat the Giants or any good team by expecting offensive/defensive heroics in the 4th quarter.[/quote]

Well, we hoped for [I]and got[/I] offensive heroics.

What we did not get was a defense, specifically a defensive secondary - specifically a safety, doing his job. Not heroics, just what he, as a safety, was supposed to do - guard against the deep pass. Expecting that of a safety in the last two minutes of a game is not expecting heroics; it is expecting players to do their jobs.

Ruhskins 10-23-2012 05:27 PM

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[quote=JoeRedskin;956164]Well, we hoped for [I]and got[/I] offensive heroics.

What we did not get was a defense, specifically a defensive secondary - specifically a safety, doing his job. Not heroics, just what he, as a safety, was supposed to do - guard against the deep pass. Expecting that of a safety in the last two minutes of a game is not expecting heroics; it is expecting players to do their jobs.[/quote]

I agree with your assessment of the safety, Williams f*cked up big time. The defense's job was to stop Manning and Co. from scoring and they didn't do the job. We have a subpar defense that will and has cost this team wins.

That being said, you beat good teams by limiting your mistakes or playing a mistake free football. You can't overlook all the mistakes the offense made in the first three quarters. The reason I keep banging this drum is that we are going to play another team that is notorious for comebacks late in the game.

Unfortunately, this team doesn't have the luxury of having a defense that will allow an offense to overcome earlier mistakes period. Would I want that? Hell yes. But that is not the reality, well not yet at least, because as many have pointed out this team has not reached its full potential. I think this team has the potential of having an offense like Manning's Colts or the Patriots of the past two years. An offense that can carry a crappy defense and win games against good teams.

CRedskinsRule 10-23-2012 05:34 PM

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;956120]There' been plays like that before. Does everyone remember the Monday Night Miracle in Dallas were Santana Moss got behind Roy Williams not once but twice? Madieu Williams seemed like he just froze or something and Cruz flew past him. You can't do that. Now Mike Shanahan is trying to downplay it in the media.

Cruz was the Giants most dangerous receiver. [B]He's had receptions of 99 and 80 yards in his career. He even had over 1,500 yards receiving last year[/B]. [U]How does the defense allow that to happen[/U]? I'm willing to forgive Williams and overlook his blunder only because he got a pick 6 against the Vikings.[/quote]

Didn't you kinda answer your own question? This was not a rookie with no talent. Cruz/Manning is a combination that is deadly in the closing minutes.

Swarley 10-23-2012 05:37 PM

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You don't overlook them but keeping the Giants from scoring a TD with a little over a minute left would have never been a miracle. The defense helped bail the offense out of some of those mistakes but when they had to get just one more stop they folded like it was nothing.

btw just saw Mangini talk on Sportsnation about the Cruz TD and he said that the play call was the right one but Williams has to be able to recognize where Cruz is taking his route and pick up speed, not squat on the route. I'm sure most of us could already tell that was the issue but I thought people would be interested to know what Mangini said.

Ruhskins 10-23-2012 05:39 PM

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[quote=Swarley;956168]You don't overlook them but keeping the Giants from scoring a TD with a little over a minute left would have never been a miracle. The defense helped bail the offense out of some of those mistakes but when they had to get just one more stop they folded like it was nothing.

btw just saw Mangini talk on Sportsnation about the Cruz TD and he said that the play call was the right one but Williams has to be able to recognize where Cruz is taking his route and pick up speed, not squat on the route. I'm sure most of us could already tell that was the issue but I thought people would be interested to know what Mangini said.[/quote]

Agreed, Williams is not a rookie, he needs to be able to recognize things like that.

Hog1 10-23-2012 05:55 PM

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[quote=JoeRedskin;956164]Well, we hoped for [I]and got[/I] offensive heroics.

What we did not get was a defense, specifically a defensive secondary - specifically a safety, doing his job. [B]Not heroics, just what he, as a safety, was supposed to do[/B] - guard against the deep pass. Expecting that of a safety in the last two minutes of a game is not expecting heroics; it is expecting players to do their jobs.[/quote]
A....Men!
How in the HELL can anyone justify letting Cruz(or anyone).......just run by in that situation...?....? Foul his ass....But DO something...

Swarley 10-23-2012 06:06 PM

Re: Raheem Morris
 
You would also think he would have the fact that they need a TD to win in the back of his mind. Knowing that, he's better off erring on the side of caution and maybe playing a bit deeper no matter what Cruz does. If the route comes back inside then at least he can make a tackle and it's likely not a TD.

RGIII 10-24-2012 08:41 AM

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Sean Taylor would've shut that play down no matter where he was lined up.

mlmdub130 10-24-2012 09:05 AM

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[quote=punch it in;956031]Well its not an automatic field goal first of all, and second of all we are acting like we didnt know Williams was old and slow until this play occured. [B]Again - in this particular situation - Eli Manning and the Giants on a potential game winning drive, I think you have to swallow your pride a little bit and accept the fact that no matter what you call with our personnel that they are going to eat you up with 1:30 left.[/B] So - again - play it safe. Keep them out of the endzone at all costs, and take your chances on them getting into fieldgoal range - worse case scenario is OT. I understand what we did, I just dont agree with it. I am not usually conservative in thought when I watch the games - trust me. I was loving those 4th down calls - loving them. This last drive by the Giants I wanted conservative and didnt get it. They got burned. My wife for the first time in my life was watching and cheering for the Redskins and yelling GO GO GO when Moss caught that ball. I could not believe it. I stand by my original statement that if we could play that last sequence over agian there is no way Williams is not 25 yards off the line of scrimmage, and we are not going conservative. oh well. I still think we win the division so who cares.[/quote]

so they should play defense expecting to get beaten?? thats some odd logic. at the end of the day it always comes down to raw ability and talent. right now we dont have that at our safties positions.

the biggest mistake i see our secondary making is not bumping anyone on the line. if you are playing cover 2 with a safety deep, then the db should be on the line jamming the crap out of the wr to throw off the timing of the route. and that in my opinion is a coaching issue, and still don't understand why it hasn't been more talked about.

JoeRedskin 10-24-2012 09:13 AM

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From Keim on the concept of jamming at the line:

[quote][B][I]CB Josh Wilson[/I][/B]. Can’t completely blame him for the Cruz touchdown because the safety didn’t do his job. But Wilson was involved in the play. No, he did not jam Cruz on the play. I’ve talked often to Wilson about when he jams and when he doesn’t and there are some players who are tough to do that against. I remember seeing one time where he re-routed Cruz, but he did not attempt to jam him any other time. [B]It’s usually up to the corner to decide when to jam or not – not all are comfortable doing this.[/B] Perhaps this is a play he should have gotten his hands on him a little. Anyway, on this play he wanted to shade him inside and get underneath. He did so. [/quote]

[url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/redskins-vs.-giants-studs-and-duds-defense/article/2511582#.UIfl5bR7PHg]Redskins vs. Giants: Studs and Duds (defense) | WashingtonExaminer.com[/url]

punch it in 10-24-2012 10:42 AM

[QUOTE=mlmdub130;956282]so they should play defense expecting to get beaten?? thats some odd logic. at the end of the day it always comes down to raw ability and talent. right now we dont have that at our safties positions.

the biggest mistake i see our secondary making is not bumping anyone on the line. if you are playing cover 2 with a safety deep, then the db should be on the line jamming the crap out of the wr to throw off the timing of the route. and that in my opinion is a coaching issue, and still don't understand why it hasn't been more talked about.[/QUOTE]

No - you play a defense that at all costs doesnt allow you to give up 7. Prevent.


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rypper11 10-24-2012 10:50 AM

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[quote=punch it in;956320]No - you play a defense that at all costs doesnt allow you to give up 7. Prevent.


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Completely agree. Though, when Haslett does so and Eli eats up the 10 yd ins and comebacks giving up the FG with time running out and the Giants win in OT every fan wants him fired for playing "prevent the win" defense. How does he win in the court of public opinion? He's an above average (B student) defense coordinator but every fan knows more. Now Morris, who many wanted to replace Haslett, is the goat. Ouch.

CRedskinsRule 10-24-2012 11:19 AM

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[quote=punch it in;956320]No - you play a defense that at all costs doesnt allow you to give up 7. Prevent.


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They had over a minute, 3 time outs, could use the middle of the field, and the whole length. Some offenses you can play prevent and know that they won't get in. Sorry the Giant's with Eli have an amazing 2 minute drill, and prevent simply does not seem to me that it would have worked better. I guarantee a part of it was that our players were looking for a turnover, jumping a short route, and got caught guessing wrong.

It's Wednesday, can we close this thread and turn the page?

Lotus 10-24-2012 11:36 AM

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[quote=rypper11;956324]Completely agree. Though, when Haslett does so and Eli eats up the 10 yd ins and comebacks giving up the FG with time running out and the Giants win in OT every fan wants him fired for playing "prevent the win" defense. How does he win in the court of public opinion? He's an above average (B student) defense coordinator but every fan knows more. Now Morris, who many wanted to replace Haslett, is the goat. Ouch.[/quote]

There's a middle ground there. One can play regular defense rather than prevent so that it is harder for Eli to get the field goal. But you still make sure that the safeties take a step or two back pre-snap so that it is harder to beat them with, say, a 77 yard winning TD.

Bucket 10-24-2012 12:58 PM

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[quote=JoeRedskin;956298]From Keim on the concept of jamming at the line:



[url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/redskins-vs.-giants-studs-and-duds-defense/article/2511582#.UIfl5bR7PHg]Redskins vs. Giants: Studs and Duds (defense) | WashingtonExaminer.com[/url][/quote]

I would just give up man. I explained to the people on this forum that it's not always Haslett, and what happen on that play and many others.. Now "insiders" and such are starting to post the same thing, and write about what happen. People won't listen.. Some people need someone to hatchet.

punch it in 10-24-2012 02:21 PM

[QUOTE=rypper11;956324]Completely agree. Though, when Haslett does so and Eli eats up the 10 yd ins and comebacks giving up the FG with time running out and the Giants win in OT every fan wants him fired for playing "prevent the win" defense. How does he win in the court of public opinion? He's an above average (B student) defense coordinator but every fan knows more. Now Morris, who many wanted to replace Haslett, is the goat. Ouch.[/QUOTE]

Lets forget about this one play. One play is not going to define Hasletts career. We can go back and forth for 1000 years on what happened on that play and whether the rite defense was called considering who we were facing and who our personnel is. All that aside do you really consider Haslett an above average DC? Really? Just look at his track record in this league - namely when he took over as DC for the Steelers. They were the number two ranked defense when he took over, and when he was let go in his third year they had gotten worse each year. He made the Steelers D average, but that doesnt mean he is average. I still say he will be out a job next year. Although it seems as if there is always a place for him and Norv somewhere?? Anyway I think I am just going to enjoy the hell out of RG3 / and the over achieving O-line and run game MS has built and look twards a future when a tiny little upgrade to our safety position makes us championship contenders. Because - believe it or not- we are that freakin close.
Edit: i said to Joe Redskin yesterday that a tiny little upgrade prevents the first play for Cincy, the Amendola fiasco, and the Cruz play. That makes us 6-1!!! Maybe it helps against Atlanta and we are 7-0. Are we a perfect team with that upgrade, maybe record wise - and ill take that every trip around the sun.


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