Re: Samari or Freddy?
 

[QUOTE=drew54]We really shouldnt go get Rolle. Last time I checked our defense wasnt broke. Neither was Brad Johnson when we decided to bring in Jeff George. But here comes Danny with his quick fix, a free agent, to replace someone younger that has been with the team and is a reliable stand up player.

I guess we should bring in someone to upgrade over Cooley, Griffin and Taylor as well.

I dont know, maybe this is all a bs story to get Smoot's attention.




don't jump to conclusions. maybe the dan went to greg williams and asked "would you rather have me bring back smoot or would you rather me bring in rolle"? and greg might have said "well, i've coached them both and i would really rather have rolle".

Re: Samari or Freddy?
 

We need to assume that our team will not do anything to hurt ourselves. If we want smoot more we will give the money to him. If we think we are better off with Rolle, we will give the money to him. Thats about as simple as it gets

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ok, i said if we are willing to dish out that kind of cash. i don't agree with it i mean i can handle our defense w/o a new CB even if smoot leaves, you actually earlier said that you would not like that i mean i would get someone like MASON or get some good WR in the free agency, i am sure if we tried we could have got muhammad but now it seems to late but danny got that magic and he should use it and anyways our defense would improve ALOT with TY if anyone disagrees tell me, he is obviously better than smoot and now i would say better than baily visa vi best in the league i don't understand why some feel that there is a cap on the eliteness our defense can hit, it can always improve....like pass rush and turnovers. turnovers can always get better and there have been better defenses than THIS YEARS steelers team in the past and we could reach that level.

Like i said would i spend 15 million on a defensive player? NO but if we are that is none of our descision i would like to spend it on TY if possible but again if GW is feeling good about Rolle i will trust that mans descions i mean pierce and marcus washington's breakout years that is his credit

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]
maybe the dan went to greg williams and asked "would you rather have me bring back smoot or would you rather me bring in rolle"? and greg might have said "well, i've coached them both and i would really rather have rolle".[/QUOTE]

i think that is what reports are saying that greg wants rolle and is pushing for him and the safty coach was a teammate w/ rolle and would also want him on the team

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from what i've been reading on other web sites i think this is a very good move by the skins. i've never believed fred smoot was the guy to cover the other teams # 1 wr, even when springs was brought in i wanted springs to be on the # 1 wr. now with rolle , i think either one of our corners can EASILY cover the other teams # 1 wr. plus smoot was really digging his own grave after turning down a 10 mill. dollar sb from the skins and then letting everyone know about his discussions with champ baily.plus geg williams is more familiar with rolle than smoot. some people are saying we should keep smoot because he is younger but smoot will be 26 in a few days and rolle is only 28.

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[QUOTE=VishsSkins]Exactly...we have an amazing defense already. We need to think if spending a ton of money is worth it when our defense might not be able to improve all that much[/QUOTE]

read 123 but i am saying i would spend the money that we are on rolle possibly persuing TY. now if Ty was asking like 15 mill and rolle 14 i would spend that extra mil on him. no one knows the true details of the deal like i said. i would not spend that money on our d but if we are i would RATHER spend it on Ty. if the question is would i spend that $$ on our defense no but you did say on the phone that you couldn't live w/o another CB and i am sure that many agree with you but if we don't sign smoot i don't need a CB and i could handle someone stepping up. And our defense would improve w/ Ty and there is no cap just read 123 it is directed toward you and after talking to you on the phone i saw that i didn't call out your name as you say so now i did! :)
See you tommorrow but hopefully i won't, you know y!

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I forgot if it was u or not but if it was then didnt u say something about CONTINUITY? U know, keeping the players we have and working with them to make them better which i know will happen whether we get smoot, rolle, or law.

Re: Samari or Freddy?
 

Law is good. If we could get him for a reasonable price, fine. I know you dont think we should spend that much money. By tomorrow, we might find out that we are pursuing Law instead of Rolle since Law was released just recently.

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Ok heres the bottom line. Whether its Smoot, Rolle, Law, Harris, Wilds, or whoever else there is our defense will be just as good as last year if not better (LaVar is back). Williams is the reason why we are so good. Williams made a name out of smoot. Williams will make anyone who comes to us good. Therefore, it does not matter which corner is our number 2 guy and that is it. We have more important issues like signing Pierce, getting WRs, and drafting the right player in April.

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[QUOTE=VishsSkins]Ok heres the bottom line. Whether its Smoot, Rolle, Law, Harris, Wilds, or whoever else there is our defense will be just as good as last year if not better (LaVar is back). Williams is the reason why we are so good. Williams made a name out of smoot. Williams will make anyone who comes to us good. Therefore, it does not matter which corner is our number 2 guy and that is it. We have more important issues like signing Pierce, getting WRs, and drafting the right player in April.[/QUOTE]

The bottom line, is that it does matter. Its all about the salary cap. We are going to have a good defense regardless, I'm very confident that Williams could take the Redskins marching band and make them competitive on Sundays. Therefore, why would we break the bank on Rolle, if a guy like Harris or Wilds could be in there for 1/20th of the money, and still do a decent job?? The same argument could be made for Smoot getting all the money.....but I really like Smoot ;)

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SMOOT period, i hope we retain him, he is an extremely valuable member.(I just hope that he is the ultimate answer ! :) )

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I'm also starting to think that rather than going on a spending spree why NOT give Wilds a chance? I mean does anyone else think that the defense would COMPLETELY fall apart if Wilds was a bust, I mean he's there for a reason.

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Reading Jeff Fisher's comment's on Rolle I think we should sign him immediatly so long as we can make the money work.

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obviously we will be good but there is always room for improvement. i know it is hard to imagine but let me tell you that it is POSSIBLE to get better than us, yes,it sounds obsurd. better then us? never how could it be!? but it is true i have a dream a dream not to be number 1 next year but to be greater to be in the elite group of defenses in the past the ones that the legends look down and say THEY, they are one of us. and in my dream greg williams led us to that promise land

to say that we don't want to spend the $ because our defense would to be saying that we don't want even smoot. i mean do we really need another CB but i would be willing to spend tops 12 million on smoot not 14 not a penny more, more than that could be spent on other positions that are more needed. but it seems that we are getting a CB and if we are spending 15 million i think we should get the best and that is ty and i know it is far fetched but it is obvious that gibbs and williams did talk about ty within the last few days. I thinnk that w/ rolle or ty we would have two number 1s either ty or rolle and then springs. 2 number 1s that could cover the # 1 WRs of the opposing teams it would be great. Smoot is good but i don't know how well he would match against someone like moss... he won't have to but i don't put him to elite number 1 material yet. as a second any of these guys including smoot would be the best in the league and we would hands down have the best corner set in the league. i personally would try to keep smoot w/10million and then if not then do the transitional tag i think it is called but i don't know all the details so if that is not possible then i would save that cash for our offense and work on our back ups and make sure we sign pierce because we don't have anyone that can take his place b/c barrow seems done.

Rolle and Ty are Leeet and with them we would be better and would be able to do lots more i mean ty or springs on a second reciever we could send more blitzes and not lose much. we would have the coverage down field and send LBs to attack.

Remember we are not forced into doing anything and williams and gibbs i trust will do what is best for the team, i don't trust danny but maybe in a year or two he will be on the trust list.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Reading Jeff Fisher's comment's on Rolle I think we should sign him immediatly so long as we can make the money work.[/QUOTE]

i didn't read it......wat is so compeling?

Re: Samari or Freddy?
 

he's there to be a backup(wilds). we have to sign a good corner to go along with springs. i like smoot but i feel rolle is a better corner , so therfore he's going to cost a little more but like i stated earlier greg williams probably wants rolle more so than smoot.

Re: Samari or Freddy?
 

true but if everything falls through do we need to spend 14+ million on a second CB i would be fine spending tops 12 for smoot and 10 for anyone else. If we are going to spend 14 million i say we get rolle not smoot. we need LEEEET CBs for that money and i trust GW's descion and what he says

Promise land 05-06

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If Rolle is better at blitzing the QB than Smoot was, then I could understand why Williams wants Rolle. I saw Smoot last year miss a couple of sacks because he kept his head down and didnt see the QB side step him, or he tried to arm tackle the QB instead of just making a good open field form tackle.

Although CB's usually are not asked to rush the QB that often so I kinda let that slide with Smoot, I mean CB's are needed in coverage and run support not rushing the QB.

As for heart, Smoot is all heart and then some, he just loves to play the game hurt or not.

Re: Samari or Freddy?
 

i like smoot... fan fave... maybe after testing the FA market and not gettin the money he thinks he will we'll retain him.

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I think the talks with rolle are happening for a couple reasons...
A) To take away leverage from Smoot
B) As a safety net in case smoot is justs delaying a decision until march 2nd to take a look at other offers regardless of the skins offer (the skins FO arent the only people allowed to be shady)
C) We got a steal on springs since he was injured, and getting a CB like rolle cheaply is a hard thing to do...
D) Of all the CBs on the market, rolle is the best option for us (he's 28, knows the defense and is a better cover corner when healthy, and will be cheap price/performance right now)

[quote]Why not try for ty law?[/quote]
Ty law is older and much more expensive... he also has never played for williams defense.

I've watched rolle play, and he's GOOD... i can see him getting 7 ints next year... the only knock on him is his injuries and how much they're going to affect his play in the future...

The only thing better than having the best #2 CB is having two #1s... and then former starter walt harris and wilds as your backups... crazy...

I'll trust williams for now, since he's the only capable GM in the FO right now... and remember, even if we give smoot what he wants, he might just delay till the 2nd and walk anyways.



[quote]I love Smoot and the way he plays with such heart, but should we pay him top 5 corner type of money just for the sake of holding on to a 'leader'?[/quote]

[quote]I wouldn't say for the sake of a "leader" but I would say for the sake of someone who we KNOW what we are getting. There's no guarantee that Rolle would pan out.[/quote]

We had no gaurantee springs would pan out either... and he only got a $10mill SB (and he's not bitter either).

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[quote]That is another good point in continuity.My question is though is Smoot the best for that position. In Coach Gibbs previous tenure he won 3 superbowls with 3 different qbs not much continuity there.[/quote]

He did have continuity at other spots though... like monk and green... oh yeah, and gibbs.


[quote=BigSKINBauer]ok, i said if we are willing to dish out that kind of cash. i don't agree with it i mean i can handle our defense w/o a new CB even if smoot leaves, you actually earlier said that you would not like that i mean i would get someone like MASON or get some good WR in the free agency, i am sure if we tried we could have got muhammad but now it seems to late but danny got that magic and he should use it and anyways our defense would improve ALOT with TY if anyone disagrees tell me, he is obviously better than smoot and now i would say better than baily visa vi best in the league i don't understand why some feel that there is a cap on the eliteness our defense can hit, it can always improve....like pass rush and turnovers. turnovers can always get better and there have been better defenses than THIS YEARS steelers team in the past and we could reach that level.

Like i said would i spend 15 million on a defensive player? NO but if we are that is none of our descision i would like to spend it on TY if possible but again if GW is feeling good about Rolle i will trust that mans descions i mean pierce and marcus washington's breakout years that is his credit[/quote]

If you think Ty is going to come here for 15$mill and not get a better offer, you're smoking (champ got an $18mill bonus and 63mill contract, ty left the pats cause he wanted the same type of deal... add to that that champ left the skins because they refused to pay him that kind of money... in other words, it aint happening). Rolle has PLAYED for williams, he's younger and he's very cheap in comparision... you might feel comfortable not replacing smoot if he leaves, but obviously williams might not be, and since he's the guy on defense, that's really his call. I do agree that we seriously need mason (prefered) or one of the top 3 WRs from the first round though.

You seem a bit hypher today, I think half the posts on this thread are yours... and they all basically say the same thing :(

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oh yeah, can we put a poll up for this please? justs a simple keep smoot/ get rolle/use our backups would be great.

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[QUOTE=celts32]When the hell will the Redskins stop valueing other teams players more than their own?[/QUOTE]

probably when our own players are clearly better than free agents from other teams and that ain't the case in this situation. especially when the player brought up on our team says he is doing his best to stay here and yet his camp keeps further increasing his asking price and overestimating his worth and talent.
this is somewhat of a wash talent wise, except Rolle has been less prone to fakes but is a bit more brittle, the deciding factor in this situation, like others have said, is which one Greg Williams wants more. After what he did with our defense last year, he knows about this way way the hell more than any of us do.

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i know i said the same thing but it seems that i wasn't clear after talking to someone on this thread on the phone. he said that i didn't make it clear that i "was adresssing [him}" so i had to say it again,

Re: Samari or Freddy?
 

THAT GUY, I was checking out your website and saw you played a lot of same venues as this band I used to advertise for. You ever hear of Lex Vegas or Grindhouse?

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i've heard the names before... if you like the tunes and feel like more advertising, let me know ;)

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Freddy and the Jets?

[url]http://www.newsday.com/sports/printedition/ny-spjets014161497mar01,0,6397413.story?coll=ny-sports-print[/url]

[QUOTE] Redskins cornerback Fred Smoot also is believed to have emerged as an option for the Jets, who quietly are looking for a dramatic upgrade to their secondary when the free-agent period begins tomorrow.

A second person familiar with the Redskins' thinking from conversations with team officials said yesterday that the cornerback position is paramount in the snagged talks to trade Coles for Moss. The Redskins cannot find the salary-cap space to trade Coles and sign free-agent cornerback Samari Rolle, the person said.[/QUOTE]

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yea I saw that too Smootsmack, i dont buy it though. Im still willing to bet that Smoot fields offers from other teams and we match it. That or he is signed before midnight.

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My heart says Smoot, but my head says Rolle.

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thinking about it a bit more... keeping smoot really would be prefered, but rolle isn't a bad player himself (i think he'd be a better blytzer, hope he stays healthy)...

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I still think we end up with Smoot or Pierce, but not both. Also, I don't see us losing Smoot to free agency and then signing another big time corner. I think Harris will just step in in that case.

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theres also a guy out there named anthony henry whom we might be interested in. got 10 picks his rookie year, and is on the top 32 FA list, so who knows

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i'd always want to have 4 good corners, and if we lose smoot we'll only have 3, so we either need to resign him or get rolle or henry...

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henry gets beat man to man, from what i read, he is good in zone but gets beat all over the field running toe to toe

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[QUOTE=jrocx69]henry gets beat man to man, from what i read, he is good in zone but gets beat all over the field running toe to toe[/QUOTE]
And we dont need that on our D!!!!!!!!!!

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i've never watched him, so i dont know... he was with the browns right? that'd explain why i haven't seen him... if he can't cover he's pretty useless to us... so i guess its smoot, rolle or bust...

Re: Samari or Freddy?
 

I thought the Rolle signing was just a rumor? Anyways, I would rank the top 3 FA CBs as...

1. Lucas
2. Smoot
3. Rolle

Re: Samari or Freddy?
 

screw samari.................smoot is a leader, has a lot of heart and brings a lot of charcter to the team. We need to stop bringing in people to patch things up. we need to stick with what we got and bring them back year after year. Smoot gets better each year and with another year under gregg williams just makes the recipe even better.

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I swear that if we dont re sign smootand he ends up somewhere else then my signature will become reality!

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Come to Lexington and we will all drink ourselves into comas. I WILL however say that I'm pleased with the off-season signings so far. I just like to drink for the hell of it. :)