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I floated this idea around over the weekend with a friend. If whoever won would incorporate the loser somehow in his administration as a way to bring the right and left together. In this case, if Obama brought in Mitt or Ryan to play a part in tackling major problems. Set aside politics and focus on improving the country.

I honestly dont think we had bad canidates this time around and even though there was tense moments in the debates, I dont think it was as close to disrepectful or dirty as past campaigns. I actually think Mitt and Obama could work together quite well if given the chance. It would set a nice example

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[quote=NC_Skins;962060]Yeah, that and Europe. It shows you how stupid the American voters really are, which is exactly why I said what I said in the other thread. So you are going to leave this country to avoid "socialism", but head off to another country who has a higher degree of socialism than we do and pay more taxes.



It boils down to it, [B]they just don't like the black guy[/B].[/quote]

It boils down to thats a dumb a$$ statement.

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[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/cPmU1.jpg[/IMG]

I think some people have taken this defeat hard.

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I wouldnt call it a defeat.
I'd call it change.
A change of setbacks.
A four year setback changed to an eight year setback.

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Or in good humor.

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Speaking of humor, LOL @ this jackass:

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To me, the Republican loss means 2 things:

1st - Republicans need to step away from the whole, "We're God's platform" mentality. Blue dog democrats in places like Ohio, Wisconsin and Iowa would easily vote Republican if they weren't faced with religion thrown in their face every debate and having to deal with far-right social issues. If Republicans left social issues alone and tried their hardest to focus on fiscal issues, they'd get the right, moderates and independents. Statements like (and I'm paraphrasing), if a women gets pregnant due to a rape, it must've been God's will, is why people (or at least I can't) take Republicans seriously. When it comes to social issues, staying as close to the middle as possible, is key.

2nd: I don't know how long Republicans are going to continue ignoring minorities. Obama won 73% of Hispanics and 71% of Asians and 93% of African-Americans. Since I know someone will argue, African-Americans won't vote for a white guy if there's a black guy running, what about Hispanics and Asians? Obama got more Latinos this election than LAST election and in 2004 Bush practically had Hispanics all over his jock. (Granted there was a lower Hispanic turnout). Hell, Bush even got 10% of the black vote.

I could be totally wrong, but I feel like you can't ignore minorities, least you could do is humor them like you're after their vote.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;962176]To me, the Republican loss means 2 things:

1st - Republicans need to step away from the whole, "We're God's platform" mentality. Blue dog democrats in places like Ohio, Wisconsin and Iowa would easily vote Republican if they weren't faced with religion thrown in their face every debate and having to deal with far-right social issues. If Republicans left social issues alone and tried their hardest to focus on fiscal issues, they'd get the right, moderates and independents. Statements like (and I'm paraphrasing), if a women gets pregnant due to a rape, it must've been God's will, is why people (or at least I can't) take Republicans seriously. When it comes to social issues, staying as close to the middle as possible, is key.

2nd: I don't know how long Republicans are going to continue ignoring minorities. Obama won 73% of Hispanics and 71% of Asians and 93% of African-Americans. Since I know someone will argue, African-Americans won't vote for a white guy if there's a black guy running, what about Hispanics and Asians? Obama got more Latinos this election than LAST election and in 2004 Bush practically had Hispanics all over his jock. (Granted there was a lower Hispanic turnout). Hell, Bush even got 10% of the black vote.

I could be totally wrong, but I feel like you can't ignore minorities, least you could do is humor them like you're after their vote.[/quote]

Good post. I agree.
Serious stuff to think about.

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[quote=Chico23231;962142]I floated this idea around over the weekend with a friend. If whoever won would incorporate the loser somehow in his administration as a way to bring the right and left together. In this case, if Obama brought in Mitt or Ryan to play a part in tackling major problems. Set aside politics and focus on improving the country.

I honestly dont think we had bad canidates this time around and even though there was tense moments in the debates, I dont think it was as close to disrepectful or dirty as past campaigns. I actually think Mitt and Obama could work together quite well if given the chance. It would set a nice example[/quote]

Well he did say he would sit down with Romney in the near future and discuss ideas so that was a pretty good gesture. Personally I would hope to see the following.

- Don't raise top rates to full 39% instead compromise and settle around 36%. Or maybe increase income requirements to qualify for top bracket.

- Revisit the American Jobs Act and have House and Senate go back and forth to reach a version that works for both parties. Tax credits for new hires and pay raises are especially important.

- Corporate tax rate at 28% is not a bad deal.

- Cut wasteful spending. This article is a good start [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal-workers-tell-us-what-should-be-cut-from-the-budget/2011/04/14/AF3YakfD_story.html]Federal workers tell us what should be cut from the budget - The Washington Post[/url]

House Republicans should use any good will generated in negotiations to limit the reach of organizations like the EPA. I would hope they would agree to cuts in military spending but GOP would rather raise taxes before cutting defense.

Either way its vital that the two parties work together. Hopefully getting a few tea party candidates out of the way will help.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;962180]Well he did say he would sit down with Romney in the near future and discuss ideas so that was a pretty good gesture. Personally I would hope to see the following.

- Don't raise top rates to full 39% instead compromise and settle around 36%. Or maybe increase income requirements to qualify for top bracket.

- Revisit the American Jobs Act and have House and Senate go back and forth to reach a version that works for both parties. Tax credits for new hires and pay raises are especially important.

- Corporate tax rate at 28% is not a bad deal.

- Cut wasteful spending. This article is a good start [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal-workers-tell-us-what-should-be-cut-from-the-budget/2011/04/14/AF3YakfD_story.html]Federal workers tell us what should be cut from the budget - The Washington Post[/url]

House Republicans should use any good will generated in negotiations to limit the reach of organizations like the EPA. I would hope they would agree to cuts in military spending but GOP would rather raise taxes before cutting defense.

Either way its vital that the two parties work together. [B]Hopefully getting a few tea party candidates out of the way will help[/B].[/quote]

Tea Party was a HUGE loser yesterday.

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[url=http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/07/porn-actors-in-california-required-to-wear-condoms/]Los Angeles voters decide porn actors must wear condoms | Fox News[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;962186]Tea Party was a HUGE loser yesterday.[/quote]

How many are there now compared to before. I know the Tea Party lost one or two seats but I was hoping for a couple more.

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[quote=mlmpetert;962201][url=http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/07/porn-actors-in-california-required-to-wear-condoms/]Los Angeles voters decide porn actors must wear condoms | Fox News[/url][/quote]


Porn will be moving out of LA. Without a doubt.

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[url=http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-11-07/nate-silver-led-statistics-men-crush-pundits-in-election]Nate Silver-Led Statistics Men Crush Pundits in Election - Businessweek[/url]

I think people need to pay more attention to this guy. At least he was willing to put his money where his mouth (and stats) was.

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[quote=mlmpetert;962201][URL="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/07/porn-actors-in-california-required-to-wear-condoms/"]Los Angeles voters decide porn actors must wear condoms | Fox News[/URL][/quote]

Why would that even be voted on by the general public. Is't that an OSHA regulation? So now OSHA will have to be in the room making sure they are following the safty rules?

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[quote=saden1;962138]You have made me whole.

Thank you.[/quote]You are very welcome. Congrats again.

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[quote=NC_Skins;962213][url=http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-11-07/nate-silver-led-statistics-men-crush-pundits-in-election]Nate Silver-Led Statistics Men Crush Pundits in Election - Businessweek[/url]

I think people need to pay more attention to this guy. At least he was willing to put his money where his mouth (and stats) was.[/quote]

Those FOX news polls were all bullshit. surprise right?

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In the coming months lots of explanations will be put forth as to why Romney lost...here is one story that should get the ball rolling and it has quite a few [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-at-romney-headquarters-the-defeat-of-the-1-percent/2012/11/07/857d00f6-284a-11e2-96b6-8e6a7524553f_story.html"]head scratcher[/URL]:


[quote]On the final flight of his campaign Tuesday afternoon, Romney ventured to the back of his plane for a chat with reporters and discovered that — horrors! — the poor wretches were seated in coach accommodations.

“I thought you had bigger seats back here,” he told them.[/quote]

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[quote=DynamiteRave;962176]To me, the Republican loss means 2 things:

1st - Republicans need to step away from the whole, "We're God's platform" mentality. Blue dog democrats in places like Ohio, Wisconsin and Iowa would easily vote Republican if they weren't faced with religion thrown in their face every debate and having to deal with far-right social issues. If Republicans left social issues alone and tried their hardest to focus on fiscal issues, they'd get the right, moderates and independents. Statements like (and I'm paraphrasing), if a women gets pregnant due to a rape, it must've been God's will, is why people (or at least I can't) take Republicans seriously. When it comes to social issues, staying as close to the middle as possible, is key.

2nd: I don't know how long Republicans are going to continue ignoring minorities. Obama won 73% of Hispanics and 71% of Asians and 93% of African-Americans. Since I know someone will argue, African-Americans won't vote for a white guy if there's a black guy running, what about Hispanics and Asians? Obama got more Latinos this election than LAST election and in 2004 Bush practically had Hispanics all over his jock. (Granted there was a lower Hispanic turnout). Hell, Bush even got 10% of the black vote.

I could be totally wrong, but I feel like you can't ignore minorities, least you could do is humor them like you're after their vote.[/quote]

Good post.

Young voters and minorities, that's where Republicans went wrong. They have a lot of work to do.

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[quote=NC_Skins;962213][url=http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-11-07/nate-silver-led-statistics-men-crush-pundits-in-election]Nate Silver-Led Statistics Men Crush Pundits in Election - Businessweek[/url]

I think people need to pay more attention to this guy. At least he was willing to put his money where his mouth (and stats) was.[/quote]

He crushed it.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;962176]
1st - Republicans need to step away from the whole, "We're God's platform" mentality. Blue dog democrats in places like Ohio, Wisconsin and Iowa would easily vote Republican if they weren't faced with religion thrown in their face every debate and having to deal with far-right social issues. If Republicans left social issues alone and tried their hardest to focus on fiscal issues, they'd get the right, moderates and independents. Statements like (and I'm paraphrasing), if a women gets pregnant due to a rape, it must've been God's will, is why people (or at least I can't) take Republicans seriously. When it comes to social issues, staying as close to the middle as possible, is key.

[/quote]

Best approach on gay marriage and abortion in the short term is the John McCain approach "thats an issue best left to the states." Also saying you believe in traditional marriage and are pro life but don't want to impose your beliefs on other people would be a winner in the near future for the Republican party. Obviously they can't change overnight but they need to start moving toward the center.

Long term though they need to drop the positions on social issues. It's a looser. Fiscal conservatism is still alive and well but virtually everything else on the GOP platform is outdated.

Funny thing I learned recently about the Christian Right is that up until around the late 70's no one ever really talked or elaborated on religion in politics mainly because it was a huge risk to say you were a Baptist, Catholic, Evangelical, etc. Back in the 60's there were people worried Kennedy would answer and decide policy based on advice from the pope. People even asked for assurances that he would observe separation of Church and State.

Somehow it evolved where everyone got united under the word "Christian" and now it doesn't really matter what sect you belong to so long as you declare yourself Christian. Back then Romney being a Mormon in a Presidential Primary would have most likely been a huge dealbreaker for many voters. Today it's more "well as long as he's Christian" on top of guys like Newt Gingrich blaming "secularism" for the nations problems.

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Linda McMahon...spent 97 million and got nothing but the loathing of both Dems and Republicans. [URL="http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-linda-mcmahon-20121107,0,4709488.story"]Character matters and she has none[/URL].

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[quote=NC_Skins;962210]Porn will be moving out of LA. Without a doubt.[/quote]

By the end of the century California will have a rule for everything.

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With 46 million people on food stamps Obama only needed another 20 million votes.

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[quote=firstdown;962280]With 46 million people on food stamps Obama only needed another 20 million votes.[/quote]


The irony about welfare is that it's the GOP that constantly bitch about welfare, yet it's the RED states that actually consume the majority of it. Seems the liberals give out more yet aren't the ones bitching about it.



[IMG]http://thecentristword.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/red-state-socialism.jpg[/IMG]


[IMG]http://www.selectsmart.com/commentary/indymap.png[/IMG]

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I wanted to find out how brian banks the footballer was doing in the ufl. Ended up hearing about this dude:

[url=http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/07/felon-brian-banks-wins-michigan-state-representative-seat-on-election-day/]Ex-convict Brian Banks wins Michigan state representative seat on Election Day | The Daily Caller[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;962283]The irony about welfare is that it's the GOP that constantly bitch about welfare, yet it's the RED states that actually consume the majority of it. Seems the liberals give out more yet aren't the ones bitching about it.



[IMG]http://thecentristword.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/red-state-socialism.jpg[/IMG]


[IMG]http://www.selectsmart.com/commentary/indymap.png[/IMG][/quote]

That chart is 1. From 2004 and 2. Is about all federal spending.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;962254][B]Best approach on gay marriage and abortion in the short term is the John McCain approach "thats an issue best left to the states." Also saying you believe in traditional marriage and are pro life but don't want to impose your beliefs on other people would be a winner in the near future for the Republican party. Obviously they can't change overnight but they need to start moving toward the center.[/B]

Long term though they need to drop the positions on social issues. It's a looser. Fiscal conservatism is still alive and well but virtually everything else on the GOP platform is outdated.

Funny thing I learned recently about the Christian Right is that up until around the late 70's no one ever really talked or elaborated on religion in politics mainly because it was a huge risk to say you were a Baptist, Catholic, Evangelical, etc. Back in the 60's there were people worried Kennedy would answer and decide policy based on advice from the pope. People even asked for assurances that he would observe separation of Church and State.

Somehow it evolved where everyone got united under the word "Christian" and now it doesn't really matter what sect you belong to so long as you declare yourself Christian. Back then Romney being a Mormon in a Presidential Primary would have most likely been a huge dealbreaker for many voters. Today it's more "well as long as he's Christian" on top of guys like Newt Gingrich blaming "secularism" for the nations problems.[/quote]

You do know that was what Romney said over and over again. Just shows that the Dem. advertising worked.

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The irony about Welfare and First's post is that both parties secretly like it. It's stimulus by another name. Much better for the economy if people are spending money and looking for employment, than just looking for employment or sitting on their broke asses all day.

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[quote=firstdown;962362]That chart is 1. From 2004 and 2. Is about all federal spending.[/quote]

yeah its slanted. you gotta look up actual welfare case work to get who is actually receiving help. California is something like 4 times everybody else. New York and Texas i think round out the top 3.

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[quote=12thMan;962364]The irony about Welfare and First's post is that both parties secretly like it. It's stimulus by another name. Much better for the economy if people are spending money and looking for employment, than just looking for employment or sitting on their broke asses all day.[/quote]

So now the left thinks food stamps stimulates the economy but tax breaks don't.

[QUOTE=firstdown;962137]Not Quiet, we broke ground on our house today and I just got in front of a computer. Congrates to Obama. Enjoy the win.[/QUOTE]


Congrats on the milestone for your house. Hope it turns out well.

[QUOTE=firstdown;962280]With 46 million people on food stamps Obama only needed another 20 million votes.[/QUOTE]

Again, I think you and AW are looking at this the same way the GOP is; incorrectly. Unless this mindset changes, the Republicans will not be competitive for years to come.

This was the GOPs election to lose. Almost 8 percent unemployment, low approval ratings and a sluggish economy. Yet Mitt still lost. Why? Women, Latinos and the younger population (black vote didn't change from 08). The GOP has alienated these groups of people with their far right social beliefs and immigration policy. For the latter, Republicans support self deportation, voter id laws, illegal (racist) vehicle stops. Why would any of these groups vote for Romney?

Look, keep on making the excuses about welfare and food stamps. I hope you do, because as even Michael Steele said, the Republicans will lose generations of a growing population. The GOP will just become the OP. And I don't mean Original Playa.

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[quote=firstdown;962363]You do know that was what Romney said over and over again. Just shows that the Dem. advertising worked.[/quote]

You mean the ads where Romney himself is saying and I quote"I will overturn Roe V Wade, and I will get rid of Planned Parenthood"end quote...you mean those ads?

[QUOTE=Giantone;962387]You mean the ads where Romney himself is saying and I quote"I will overturn Roe V Wade, and I will get rid of Planned Parenthood"end quote...you mean those ads?[/QUOTE]

Well Planned Parenthood and PBS are huge drains on our budget. Makes more sense to cut that instead of something tiny like the defense budget. Didn't you know that?

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[quote=hooskins;962395]Well Planned Parenthood and PBS are huge drains on our budget. Makes more sense to cut that instead of something tiny like the defense budget. Didn't you know that?[/quote]

As someone who has no insurance and gets no benefits at work, Planned Parenthood is my everything. I'm glad I get to see it for at least another 4 years.

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[quote=hooskins;962377]Again, I think you and AW are looking at this the same way the GOP is; incorrectly. Unless this mindset changes, the Republicans will not be competitive for years to come.

This was the GOPs election to lose. Almost 8 percent unemployment, low approval ratings and a sluggish economy. Yet Mitt still lost. Why? Women, Latinos and the younger population (black vote didn't change from 08). The GOP has alienated these groups of people with their far right social beliefs and immigration policy. For the latter, Republicans support self deportation, voter id laws, illegal (racist) vehicle stops. Why would any of these groups vote for Romney?

Look, keep on making the excuses about welfare and food stamps. I hope you do, because as even Michael Steele said, the Republicans will lose generations of a growing population. The GOP will just become the OP. And I don't mean Original Playa.[/quote]

Oh you are right.... a big part of the younger generations are huge bleeding hearts. Its like some quasi rebooted hippy version movement from the 60's.
You wont be able to recognize this country in 20 years, I barely recognize it now. Bleeding hearts will win.....America will lose, well until the name is changed to the United Porous Borders of North Mexico.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;962402]Oh you are right.... a big part of the younger generations are huge bleeding hearts. Its like some quasi rebooted hippy version movement from the 60's.
You wont be able to recognize this country in 20 years, I barely recognize it now. Bleeding hearts will win.....America will lose, well until the name is changed to the United Porous Borders of North Mexico.[/quote]

Dont confuse you and your ideology losing with America losing. Change and progress take time to get use to so take your time but not too long.

....now give me stuff!

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[quote=saden1;962409]Dont confuse you and your ideology losing with America losing. Change and progress take time to get use to so take your time but not too long.

....now give me stuff![/quote]

My generation is not the one that is confused.
And we are not making progress, exactly the opposite.

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[quote=hooskins;962376]Congrats on the milestone for your house. Hope it turns out well.[/quote]

Thank You, I'll be glade when its over. My wife is so into this picking out colors, brick choice, siding, flooring, cabnets, etc... its driving me to drink. I did get my bar and a large garage and we are now going to be on the water so I'm set.