[QUOTE=Bucket;965697]Well you.kinda took NC out of context to be a smart ass and thought sarcastically adding a player in who died while still a part of the team wojld add context to your point..

Still just as bad. Hightower would be in Washington if he didnt blow out his knee. Helu would at the least be our off pace back which is basically a starter in the NFL.[/QUOTE]

Bucket did you just jump in to defend NC Skins because you typically love to rip me any chance you get or are you actually following the post?
I am not and will not at any point sit here and say that the Redskins injury woes are greater than any other team who has ever won anything because Roy Helu is on the IR. Helu was not great last year imo. If you think he was that is fine. And no invoking Sean Taylors name because I am referencing current starters who are not playing on the team is not "just as bad" as "joking about his death. Not even close.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=Chico23231;965698]interesting how we celebrate wins around here[/quote]

You know its the same handful of negative Nancy's around here that add more "this sucks, we suck, blah blah blah.. talk no matter what.

Im glad we won. I believe in our direction. I look forward to winning Thursday and keep watching the tears from the haters flow.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=punch it in;965705]Bucket did you just jump in to defend NC Skins because you typically love to rip me any chance you get or are you actually following the post?
I am not and will not at any point sit here and say that the Redskins injury woes are greater than any other team who has ever won anything because Roy Helu is on the IR. Helu was not great last year imo. If you think he was that is fine. And no invoking Sean Taylors name because I am referencing current starters who are not playing on the team is not "just as bad" as "joking about his death. Not even close.[/quote]

So... 640 yards rushing, 400 receiving, and 3TDs in 2/3 a season as a rookie is not very good?

Interesting.. Whatever you say man. I dont even think you believe what you say sometimes. You just post nonsense because you are bored.

Me and NC Skins disagree more then Me and you, but your efficiency of being wrong is way higher then NC :)

[QUOTE=Bucket;965708]So... 640 yards rushing, 400 receiving, and 3TDs in 2/3 a season as a rookie is not very good?

Interesting.. Whatever you say man. I dont even think you believe what you say sometimes. You just post nonsense because you are bored.

Me and NC Skins disagree more then Me and you, but your efficiency of being wrong is way higher then NC :)[/QUOTE]

You got it man. Thanks for keeping it real around here.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=punch it in;965695]Really? Smart ass. Jack ass? Wow? Why because we disagree? Were u being a smart ass when you mentioned Hightower as a missing starter? Take it down a notch. Its football talk. Matty seems to disagree with you too but why such hostility twards me?[/quote]

Matty isn't being a smart ass either. I wasn't serious about counting Hightower, which is why he wasn't on that list I produced. Even with Helu off the list, it's still 7 starters. Garcon is pretty much done for. At this point, I'd rather go back talking about the merits of firing/keeping shanny.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

Helu was impressive last year and I was expecting bigger things for this year, unfortunately the Achilles injury screwed him up. If you guys think Helu is no good, you better have your head checked.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;965710]Matty isn't being a smart ass either. I wasn't serious about counting Hightower, which is why he wasn't on that list I produced. Even with Helu off the list, it's still 7 starters. Garcon is pretty much done for. At this point, I'd rather go back talking about the merits of firing/keeping shanny.[/QUOTE]

We could talk about Obama. That will make us both happy. :)
I hope you are wrong about Garcon btw. I think even at 60 percent which could be 70-80 at some point that he has to be accounted for when on the field and that opens it up for Moss/ Robinson to have big games like Sunday.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=Chico23231;965698]interesting how we celebrate wins around here[/quote]

I said it before and I will say it again: F yeah, we spanked those lame parakeets. It was arguably our best division win in some time.

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;965711]Helu was impressive last year and I was expecting bigger things for this year, unfortunately the Achilles injury screwed him up. If you guys think Helu is no good, you better have your head checked.[/QUOTE]

Only me and Matty referenced Helu to point out he was not going to probably start over Almo. This whole argument started and was centered around "starters" out for the year. I said to NC if you count Helu as a starter than you have to rethink your statement anout the Giants missing two starters last year. My problem with Helu is not potential it is durability. From the moment he was drafted his durability and ability to "carry the load" was a question mark. Would he be a better third down change of pace back than Royster - yes. Do i think he is on the "soft" side - yes. Sorry.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=punch it in;965712]We could talk about Obama. That will make us both happy. :)
I hope you are wrong about Garcon btw. I think even at 60 percent which could be 70-80 at some point that he has to be accounted for when on the field and that opens it up for Moss/ Robinson to have big games like Sunday.[/quote]

I think I read somebody's tweet that he ran 7 routes Sunday.


Why is he even in the game? It's stupid. Just IR the guy and move on. No sense of making it worse (as he already did before). This is one of my grips with the training staff on how they've handled Garcon.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=punch it in;965714]Only me and Matty referenced Helu to point out he was not going to probably start over Almo. This whole argument started and was centered around "starters" out for the year. I said to NC if you count Helu as a starter than you have to rethink your statement anout the Giants missing two starters last year. My problem with Helu is not potential it is durability. From the moment he was drafted his durability and ability to "carry the load" was a question mark. Would he be a better third down change of pace back than Royster - yes. Do i think he is on the "soft" side - yes. Sorry.[/quote]

I like all 3, including Royster. In order for Royster to be successful you have to give him the ball more, he needs to warm up before he gets going.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;965711]Helu was impressive last year and I was expecting bigger things for this year, unfortunately the Achilles injury screwed him up. If you guys think Helu is no good, you better have your head checked.[/quote]

I like Helu.

Morris has been more impressive in his rookie year though.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;965715]I think I read somebody's tweet that he ran 7 routes Sunday.


Why is he even in the game? It's stupid. Just IR the guy and move on. No sense of making it worse (as he already did before). This is one of my grips with the training staff on how they've handled Garcon.[/QUOTE]

I remember him being on the field definitely for one of the scores. I think two. I agree 100 percent that they bought him back to fast the first time. Dont know enough about the injury or the severity of his in particular to know whether i would sit him at this point. If he is running those routes with any sort of crispness than let him draw attention. If Hank would become the wr i hoped he would have than it might not be necessary to have Garcon on the field - even as a decoy of sorts. Short week of rest for him too - maybe they limited his action because of the short week. Especially once we were up big?

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=Mattyk;965717]I like Helu.

Morris has been more impressive in his rookie year though.[/quote]

Yeah, but do you think he would have had near the success he's had this year if he didn't have the type of weapons we do this year? (especially RGIII) Still boils down to Helu being able to stay healthy, which he doesn't seem to be able to.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=NC_Skins;965727]Yeah, but do you think he would have had near the success he's had this year if he didn't have the type of weapons we do this year? (especially RGIII) Still boils down to Helu being able to stay healthy, which he doesn't seem to be able to.[/quote]

Morris runs harder and is more decisive, he's the ideal back for this offense.

Helu would be perfect as a change of pace. Gotta stay healthy though as you say.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=Mattyk;965734]Morris runs harder and is more decisive, he's the ideal back for this offense.

Helu would be perfect as a change of pace. Gotta stay healthy though as you say.[/quote]

Totally agree and Royster is the reliever, as much as I love Morris I don't want him worn out. We need to see more Royster, Shanahan has to give more than 3 carries a game.

Something not mentioned is the injuries combined with the cap hit. It's joy like we have BM a huge contract, how many other players could we have had if not for the cap hit.

We're operating as a small market team this year and next. No matter how you look at it, we won't have much depth for the rest of the year and all of next year.

Well, good job good effort.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

I can only help and laugh when I see this thread title.

I was watching the game yesterday and thought to myself "How soon until BW gets injured?"

I hate being right sometimes. We rushed back a guy who nearly had a torn ACL before to play and IRONY, he completely tears the Other ACL! Wow. I'll say this, those 3ish quarters that BW played he looked like a very good SS. I remember reading here from people that went to training camp, that BW was awful and should be cut, but from what I saw of him, he looked beast. It was the eagles though...so we'll really know how good he is next year, and regardless of how great he looked, we should still sign/draft a SS.

I'm still pumped for Dallas

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=Mattyk;965524]Looking at the latest injury report, I'm failing to see how we're any worse off than a number of teams. I guess there's a lot of shitty training staffs around.

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/injuries"]The NFL Injury Report[/URL][/quote]

Wait a minute...so injuries aren't the reason for our 4-6 record? (sarcasm)

I kinda think we're worse off injury wise because for the most part our team lacks depth, but so do the Eagles and especially on the oline.

That said, I still don't believe the injury to Garcon really matters. Moss and Davis are still our best downfield targets, so the loss of Davis mattered. But that's about it offensively unless you counted on Brown.

Defensive injuries a made a big difference though. Yesterday proved that.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=FRPLG;965551]JR...he's not interested in your silly notion of "facts" and quantitative evaluation that could provide concrete conclusions approaching 100% certainty. He just KNOWS the truth.[/quote]

What facts? I didn't see any...

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=FRPLG;965567]3MiamiDade21egend6:

I think you might have a point that you are not making very elegantly. I don't know that anyone is specifically saying there ISN'T a problem more than we're saying that we're not so sure and would like to see some type of analysis beyond "I know what I'm talking about and you should just believe me".

EDIT: and if you're not interested in making a point and backing it up with some type of proof then not many will be interested in said point. Moreover, if you openly eschew rational evaluation people will probably only continue to ridicule you.[/quote]

But he's given one specific, solid example of his opinion. You've given none. And clamored aboard with someone who said he'd look up his "facts" later lmao. Keep going...this is getting good.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=punch it in;965636]Me and you had this same discussion a couple of weeks ago and i linked an article from the washington post for you to read. It was from like the week before the season started and they were already decimated but it pointed out a handful of starters that were already lost for the year. I also than named a handful of others who went down during the season. No offense but if you dont believe me that the 2011 Giants were ravaged by injury isnt it your job to do the research? I aint doing it again. :)[/quote]

He can't do research dude he's really busy...pay attention.

:)

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;965735]Totally agree and Royster is the reliever, as much as I love Morris I don't want him worn out. We need to see more Royster, Shanahan has to give more than 3 carries a game.[/quote]

Agreed. Not sure what you had in mind but Royster should get the 2nd or third quarter of every game IMO.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;965735]Totally agree and Royster is the reliever, as much as I love Morris I don't want him worn out. We need to see more Royster, Shanahan has to give more than 3 carries a game.[/quote]

Evan Royster only has 13 carries this season for 48 yards(3.7 per rush). Either Mike Shanahan see Royster as unproductive or he's just been extremely impressive with Alfred Morris that Royster just hasn't gotten many opportunities.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

well, 1 int 2 PDs and 7 tackles in a half is huge. as is only playing 30 minutes of football in an entire season.


I guess te only good news is that tanard and meriweather will both be available next year, so we may be okay there. I'd still bring in another safety, 1-2 cbs and a RT though.

Lol, this thread made for a good read on the crapper.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

wow.... just.....

wow

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

Cheer up. Dallas has worse injury problems than us.

Bold is IR, out for year. Pink is likely out for Thursday, plus the bolded guys. Their O-line and defense are both hurting bad. RB is very shaky too. Felix Jones is banged up and not 100% despite not appearing on the injury report.

[U]
Name POS Status Date Injury Returns[/U]
[COLOR="Magenta"]Lance Dunbar RB Out Nov 19 knee Week to week
Kevin Ogletree WR Out Nov 18 concussion Week to week
DeMarco Murray RB Questionable Nov 18 foot Week to week
Tyron Smith T Out Nov 18 ankle Out indefinitely[/COLOR]
[B]Matt Johnson DB I.R Nov 17 hamstring [/B]
[COLOR="Magenta"]Ryan Cook C Doubtful Nov 17 knee Likely will not play[/COLOR]
[B]Kenyon Coleman DL I.R Nov 12 triceps Out for season[/B]
[COLOR="Magenta"]Mike Jenkins DB Out Nov 9 back Day to day[/COLOR]
[B]Orie Lemon LB I.R Nov 7 hamstring Out for season[/B]
Jay Ratliff DL Questionable Nov 4 ankle Day-to-day
Dan Connor LB Doubtful Oct 28 neck
DeMarcus Ware LB Probable Oct 27 flu Will play
[B]Chris Jones P I.R Oct 24 knee Out for season
Sean Lee LB I.R Oct 24 toe Out for season[/B]
Morris Claiborne DB Probable Oct 17 knee Will play
Sean Lissemore DL Out Oct 14 ankle Week-to-week
Brian Moorman P Out Oct 13 groin Out for Week 6
[B]Barry Church DB I.R Sep 23 achilles Out for season[/B]
Gerald Sensabaugh DB Out Sep 17 calf Week to week
[B]Caleb McSurdy LB I.R Aug 15 achilles Out for season[/B]
John Phillips TE Out Aug 15 ankle Day to day
Kyle Wilber LB Out Aug 14 finger Return Week 3
[COLOR="Magenta"]Phil Costa C Out Aug 11 ankle Status Uncertain[/COLOR]


[url=http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/injuries/nfl/dal/]Football Injury News and Analysis - Rotoworld.com[/url]

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

Merriweather being lost sucks but if you watched the Bears last night with Jason Campbell at QB and NOT Jay Cutler, losing a certain someone on our team would be waaaay worse. All I can say is that at some point these backups have to earn their pay and make plays, if not, we just can't keep them around next year. If Romo will just throw it up like he has done so far all year, maybe the Skins can get 2 or 3 picks and that might make the difference.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

FYI, we've added Jerome Murphy to take Meriweather's spot on the roster.

Who?...[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Murphy]Jerome Murphy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=Monkeydad;965822]Cheer up. Dallas has worse injury problems than us.

Bold is IR, out for year. Pink is likely out for Thursday, plus the bolded guys. Their O-line and defense are both hurting bad. RB is very shaky too. Felix Jones is banged up and not 100% despite not appearing on the injury report.[/quote]

Not even close to being where we are at with impact injuries. Some of the guys on that list are back, and the ones that are out for the season are backups. The starters that are out this Thursday that will hurt them are:

Sean Lee -season
Tyron Smith - they'll get back
DeMarco Murray - they'll get back
Kenyon Coleman - season
(possibly Costa)

Why are people comparing our injuries to others? Most of these injuries I see are the second string guys. I mean who really gives a **** if our 2nd string OT, WR, TE, LB goes down? Sure you need depth, but the drop off in talent from the starters to backups is generally great. Who you think is going to make a team fall of the map faster? Having your starters out or having your backups out? You think having Nield out is going to be a bigger impact than having Kerrigan out?

Let me know when Dallas loses DeMarcus Ware, Dez Bryant, Jason Witten, Doug Free, Gerald Sensabaugh, Danny McCray,. That's essentially what we have lost and more. Hell, at least they'll get many of those starters not playing Thursday back, we won't. Not this season.


**** these shitty injuries.


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Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

Sean Lee was there London Fletcher. In on every tackle. QB of their defense. The guy who took his place, Bruce Carter said this about Cleveland's late TD play:
[QUOTE]Bruce Carter: 9 guys in huddle late in game "wasn't a big issue." It was a "little communication problem...that can easily be corrected." [/QUOTE]
and this about RGIII
[QUOTE]Bruce Carter said he has watched a little bit of film on Robert Griffin III today, said he hadn't really watched him before today.

[/QUOTE]

He seems to be a good player, but SLee was a big hit for them. LT Tyron Smith on their line is like TW on ours.

edit: took out a quote from BCarter - it applied to himself, not RGIII

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

I feel terrible for the guy. From what I can gather from hearing what the players all say about him, he just loves to be on the field. This must be killing him.

Well hopefully we'll have him back by week 1 next year. If that's the case, and Orakpo and everyone else is healthy, we could be pretty good on d.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=NC_Skins;965840]
[B]Let me know when Dallas loses DeMarcus Ware, Dez Bryant, Jason Witten, Doug Free, Gerald Sensabaugh, Danny McCray,. That's essentially what we have lost and more.[/B] Hell, at least they'll get many of those starters not playing Thursday back, we won't. Not this season.

[/quote]

Yeah, exactly. It's not about how many players you lost, but who those players are.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;965848]Sean Lee was there London Fletcher. In on every tackle. QB of their defense. The guy who took his place, Bruce Carter said this about Cleveland's late TD play:

and this about RGIII


He seems to be a good player, but SLee was a big hit for them. LT Tyron Smith on their line is like TW on ours.

edit: took out a quote from BCarter - it applied to himself, not RGIII[/quote]

My confidence is growing. I think we'll score a lot of points. Hopefully Gomes or whoever was inspired by Meriweathers play and Jenkins and Rob Jackson put a beatdown on Smiths replacement. Hasletts adjustments are always the key imo.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=53Fan;965857]My confidence is growing. I think we'll score a lot of points. Hopefully Gomes or whoever was inspired by Meriweathers play and Jenkins and Rob Jackson put a beatdown on Smiths replacement. Hasletts adjustments are always the key imo.[/quote]

Let's hope he doesn't forget to pressure like he has in the past. Win game with pressure, next game is where is the pressure?

[QUOTE=Coff;965856]Yeah, exactly. It's not about how many players you lost, but who those players are.[/QUOTE]

To an extent. If a team loses one top flight wr and another team loses 7 non-starters that do see playing time during a game than i would have to disagree with this statement.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;965831]FYI, we've added Jerome Murphy to take Meriweather's spot on the roster.

Who?...[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Murphy]Jerome Murphy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url][/QUOTE]

Superbowl!

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

Injuries have held this Redskins team back. Helu Jr., Meriweather, Garcon, Orakpo, Carriker, F. Davis! That six players right there that are capable of having a huge impact. And I might as well mention Tanard Jackson, who is suspended for the season. This team has been unfortunate when it comes to not having great players healthy and available.