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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1064100]Obama has to be the most divisive president we have had since I first voted for Reagan in 1980. He demonizes the wealthy and businesses, I never heard a Democratic president bad mouth Republicans so much. He has accomplished next to nothing but continues to blame everyone but himself. His approval rating is at his all time low and he quickly is closing in on being rated as low as George W. Bush was his last months in office, yet most Democrats I know still love him, WTF????[/quote]

[B]Probably the same as the left felt through 8 years of George Dubya.[/B]

Please explain, I don't recall George Bush demonizing anything except terrorists, also he was re-elected by the slimiest of margins. In spite of low approval numbers Obama won in a landslide while attacking large groups of his fellow countrymen and politicians.

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Well, there's always multiple angles to things, that's for sure.

I'm not sure I'd say Obama is always the one "attacking". He seems to catch plenty of heat from the right who refuse to cooperate with him on just about everything.

Plus look at who Obama was up against. McCain? Romney? Just horrible candidates.

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[quote=Mattyk;1064164]

Plus look at who Obama was up against. McCain? Romney? Just horrible candidates.[/quote]



Exactly ,until the republicans can come up with someone anyone worth voting for the same thing will happen again with Hilary .

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Speaking of Obama. Remember when he stated that his administration would be transparent?

[url=http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SUNSHINE_WEEK_FOIA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT]News from The Associated Press[/url]


About that....

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This is why we can't have nice things.



[url=http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/03/18/republican-house-candidate-who-said-autism-was-the-result-of-gods-anger-over-gay-marriage-just-won-her-primary/]Republican House Candidate Who Said Autism Was the Result of God’s Anger Over Gay Marriage Just Won Her Primary[/url]

Really?

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[url=http://www.ktbs.com/story/25025564/shreveport-man-wants-holy-bible-to-be-louisianas-state-book]Shreveport man wants Holy Bible to be Louisiana's state book - KTBS.com - Shreveport, LA News, Weather and Sports[/url]

I don't even get it. Why do these morons continue to push their religion onto the people, and cry about others doing it.


This is why I can't ever see myself voting for another Republican again (Walter B. Jones, Jr. withstanding).

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[quote=NC_Skins;1064986][url=http://www.ktbs.com/story/25025564/shreveport-man-wants-holy-bible-to-be-louisianas-state-book]Shreveport man wants Holy Bible to be Louisiana's state book - KTBS.com - Shreveport, LA News, Weather and Sports[/url]

I don't even get it. Why do these morons continue to push their religion onto the people, and cry about others doing it.


This is why I can't ever see myself voting for another Republican again (Walter B. Jones, Jr. withstanding).[/quote]

To be fair it's like a state bird or flower, who really gives a hoot? it has no real effect on the policy or lifestyle of the people of the state.

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1064990]To be fair it's like a state bird or flower, who really gives a hoot? [/QUOTE]

An owl.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1064990]To be fair it's like a state bird or flower, who really gives a hoot? it has no real effect on the policy or lifestyle of the people of the state.[/quote]

You think it just stops there? It doesn't. Also, what if they made the Qaran the state book? They'd go apeshit over it.


Fact is, they are spending tax payer dollars wasting time on bullshit like this when other areas need to be addressed. I thought they were supposed to be "conservative" with spending money. Clue: They aren't.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1064990]To be fair it's like a state bird or flower, who really gives a hoot? it has no real effect on the policy or lifestyle of the people of the state.[/quote]



Point and case.


[url=http://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/billinfo/BillSummaryArchive.aspx?BillNumber=HB1547&ga=108]Bill Summary[/url]


They aren't just going to stop at a national book. These right wing nutjob want their laws and government ran by the bible.


[url]https://ssl.capwiz.com/aclu/issues/alert/?alertid=63110936&type=ST[/url]

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Another "christian" conservative....lol


[url=http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/04/07/married-congressman-sorry-after-seen-kissing-staffer-in-video/?hpt=hp_t2]Married congressman ‘sorry’ after seen kissing staffer in video – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs[/url]


I'd rather vote for a Atheist. At least I'd know he was honest about his religion.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1067793]Another "christian" conservative....lol


[url=http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/04/07/married-congressman-sorry-after-seen-kissing-staffer-in-video/?hpt=hp_t2]Married congressman ‘sorry’ after seen kissing staffer in video – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs[/url]


[B]I'd rather vote for a Atheist.[/B] At least I'd know he was honest about his religion.[/quote]

As an atheist myself I would be curious what the highest office held by an admitted atheist. Maybe a school board member in some town with a population of 47.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1067825]As an atheist myself I would be curious what the highest office held by an admitted atheist. Maybe a school board member in some town with a population of 47.[/quote]


How would you know he is truly an atheist ,he might just want the atheist vote.:lol:

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[quote=Giantone;1067830]How would you know he is truly an atheist ,he might just want the atheist vote.:lol:[/quote]

Yes, it's such a popular position.

:saywhat:

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[url=http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/01/mississippi-senate-candidate-laments-lack-muslim-movie-villains-audio]GOP Senate Candidate Complained of Lack of Muslim Movie Villains | Mother Jones[/url]


Got to love the Tea Party nutjobs....lol

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[url=http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/04/obama-ordered-to-divulge-legal-basis-for-killing-americans-with-drones/]Obama ordered to divulge legal basis for killing Americans with drones | Ars Technica[/url]

Wonder what kind of excuse the Obama crew is going to conjure up?

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[url=http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/28/rep-michael-grimm-arrested/]Rep. Grimm arrested in New York | Fox News[/url]


Is anybody surprised by this douche bag being arrested?

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[url=http://bigstory.ap.org/article/house-majority-leader-cantor-defeated-primary]House Majority Leader Cantor defeated in primary[/url]


Huge loss for the GOPers. The #2 guy in the house got squatted on in his own primary. Buh bye Cantor. Problem is, another nut job Tea Party guy elected. /facepalm

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[quote=NC_Skins;1073862][url=http://bigstory.ap.org/article/house-majority-leader-cantor-defeated-primary]House Majority Leader Cantor defeated in primary[/url]


Huge loss for the GOPers. The #2 guy in the house got squatted on in his own primary. Buh bye Cantor. Problem is, another nut job Tea Party guy elected. /facepalm[/quote]

It was time for Cantor to go. I dont care who replaces him.

Unfortunately this country needs term limits more than anything right now, career politicians are the number one problem with this country.

Look who we are talking about for president, Hillary Clinton and a possible run for Jeb Bush. Now the career politicians are family dynasties...where does this end?

This country needs to wake the f U c k up now. Selfies, Kim Kardashian and the name Redskins seems more important than the direction of the country.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1073862][url=http://bigstory.ap.org/article/house-majority-leader-cantor-defeated-primary]House Majority Leader Cantor defeated in primary[/url]


Huge loss for the GOPers. The #2 guy in the house got squatted on in his own primary. Buh bye Cantor. Problem is, another nut job Tea Party guy elected. /facepalm[/quote]

was he elected to house of rep? i thought he just won the repub primary to run as the repub candidate for that district? i could be wrong, try to stay away from politics as much as possible

the tea party guy is a prof at randolf-macon so im sure that s all VA repub voters needed to know before they rubber stamped him.

the democrats (i think) didnt even plan on running an opponent opposite bc it is such a red dist but now they quickly got a democrat running against this tea party guy.

and the democ candidate is also a randolf-macon professor.

(pretty sure im wrong on the name randolf-macon. close but wrong)

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[quote=over the mountain;1073901]was he elected to house of rep? i thought he just won the repub primary to run as the repub candidate for that district? i could be wrong, try to stay away from politics as much as possible

the tea party guy is a prof at randolf-macon so im sure that s all VA repub voters needed to know before they rubber stamped him.

the democrats (i think) didnt even plan on running an opponent opposite bc it is such a red dist but now they quickly got a democrat running against this tea party guy.

and the democ candidate is also a randolf-macon professor.

(pretty sure im wrong on the name randolf-macon. close but wrong)[/quote]

Brat won the primary, but he will certainly win the general election against a democratic novice who just entered the race 2 weeks ago.

People keep saying Tea Party this, but this guy is not your normal tea party canidate in regards to psycho nuts

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[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/11/david-brat-hitler_n_5485103.html]David Brat: Hitler Could 'Happen Again' If We Don't Embrace Christian Capitalism[/url]


[quote] Capitalism is here to stay, and we need a church model that corresponds to that reality. Read Nietzsche. Nietzsche’s diagnosis of the weak modern Christian democratic man was spot on. Jesus was a great man. Jesus said he was the Son of God. Jesus made things happen. Jesus had faith. Jesus actually made people better. Then came the Christians. What happened? What went wrong? We appear to be a bit passive. Hitler came along, and he did not meet with unified resistance. I have the sinking feeling that it could all happen again, quite easily. The church should rise up higher than Nietzsche could see and prove him wrong. We should love our neighbor so much that we actually believe in right and wrong, and do something about it. If we all did the right thing and had the guts to spread the word, we would not need the government to backstop every action we take.

A few lines later, he adds, "I think the main point is that we need to synthesize Christianity and capitalism."[/quote]




This guy taught economics? :doh:

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[url=http://www.forwardprogressives.com/indiana-republican-one-guts-let-poor-wither-die/]Indiana Republican: 'No One Has the Guts' to Let the Poor 'Wither and Die'[/url]

Dear goodness. This is exactly how these morons think. Good "christian" values.


[quote]“For almost three generations people, in some cases, have been given handouts,” Johnston said. “They have been ‘enabled’ so much that their paradigm in life is simply being given the stuff of life, however meager.”

“What you see is a setting for a life of misery is life to them never-the-less,” he continued. “No one has the guts to just let them wither and die. No one who wants votes is willing to call a spade a spade. As long as the Dems can get their votes the enabling will continue. The Republicans need their votes and dare not cut the fiscal tether. It is really a political Catch-22.”
[/quote]


These people are so delusional, that many of them should be put into psychiatric wards.

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Replacing GOPers with these kinds of nutjobs? This country is going backwards to say the least.

[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/11/scott-esk-stoning-gays_n_5486678.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000054&ir=Impact]Tea Party Candidate Says It's OK To Stone Gays To Death[/url]


[QUOTE]cott Esk, a Republican Tea Party candidate in Oklahoma, got into a debate on Facebook last summer in which he advocated killing homosexuals.

“I think we would be totally in the right to do it,” Esk wrote in comments uncovered by Oklahoma journalist Rob Morris. “That goes against some parts of libertarianism, I realize, and I’m largely libertarian, but ignoring as a nation things that are worthy of death is very remiss.”

When pressed, Esk added: "I never said I would author legislation to put homosexuals to death, but I didn’t have a problem with it."[/QUOTE]

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[quote=NC_Skins;1073958][url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/11/david-brat-hitler_n_5485103.html]David Brat: Hitler Could 'Happen Again' If We Don't Embrace Christian Capitalism[/url]







This guy taught economics? :doh:[/quote]

Welcome to the south. He needs to leave religion out of it.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1073960][URL="http://www.forwardprogressives.com/indiana-republican-one-guts-let-poor-wither-die/"]Indiana Republican: 'No One Has the Guts' to Let the Poor 'Wither and Die'[/URL]

Dear goodness. This is exactly how these morons think. Good "christian" values.





These people are so delusional, that many of them should be put into psychiatric wards.[/quote]

[B]For almost three generations people, in some cases, have been given handouts,” Johnston said. “They have been ‘enabled’ so much that their paradigm in life is simply being given the stuff of life, however meager.”[/B]

[B]“What you see is a setting for a life of misery is life to them never-the-less,” he continued.[/B] “No one has the guts to just let them wither and die. No one who wants votes is willing to call a spade a spade. As long as the [B]Dems[/B] can get their votes the enabling will continue. The [B]Republicans need their votes and dare not cut the fiscal tether[/B]. It is really a political Catch-22.”

The wither and die is a bit harsh.....but is there anything more F..d up than our welfare system? Is their any better example of Federal waste and incompetence? And he is correct, politicos on both sides of the fence are afraid to deal with it because of the possible backlash form voters...or worse
And THEN, someone might want them to change their name and logo...too

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[url=http://www.forwardprogressives.com/fox-news-host-hammers-bachmann-youre-silly-democrats-laugh-now-video/]Fox News Host Hammers Bachmann: 'You're Being Silly,' Democrats Should 'Laugh at You Now' (Video)[/url]


[url=http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/06/19/megyn_kelly_dick_cheney_interview_fox_news_host_slams_former_vice_president.html]Megyn Kelly Dick Cheney interview: Fox News host slams former vice president on Iraq.[/url]

I find it funny that FOX has been pounding some of the conservative people they used to revere. I'm wondering why some of the reversal now?

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[quote=Hog1;1074822][B]For almost three generations people, in some cases, have been given handouts,” Johnston said. “They have been ‘enabled’ so much that their paradigm in life is simply being given the stuff of life, however meager.”[/B]

[B]“What you see is a setting for a life of misery is life to them never-the-less,” he continued.[/B] “No one has the guts to just let them wither and die. No one who wants votes is willing to call a spade a spade. As long as the [B]Dems[/B] can get their votes the enabling will continue. The [B]Republicans need their votes and dare not cut the fiscal tether[/B]. It is really a political Catch-22.”

The wither and die is a bit harsh.....but is there anything more F..d up than our welfare system? [B] Is their any better example of Federal waste and incompetence?[/B] And he is correct, politicos on both sides of the fence are afraid to deal with it because of the possible backlash form voters...or worse
And THEN, someone might want them to change their name and logo...too[/quote]

The U.S. Military is a pretty good example of waste and incompetence.

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[quote=donofriose;1074900]The U.S. Military is a pretty good example of waste and incompetence.[/quote]

Only when you get to the civilian side of it .

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[quote=Hog1;1074822][B]For almost three generations people, in some cases, have been given handouts,” Johnston said. “They have been ‘enabled’ so much that their paradigm in life is simply being given the stuff of life, however meager.”[/B]

[B]“What you see is a setting for a life of misery is life to them never-the-less,” he continued.[/B] “No one has the guts to just let them wither and die. No one who wants votes is willing to call a spade a spade. As long as the [B]Dems[/B] can get their votes the enabling will continue. The [B]Republicans need their votes and dare not cut the fiscal tether[/B]. It is really a political Catch-22.”

The wither and die is a bit harsh.....but is there anything more F..d up than our welfare system? Is their any better example of Federal waste and incompetence? And he is correct, politicos on both sides of the fence are afraid to deal with it because of the possible backlash form voters...or worse
And THEN, someone might want them to change their name and logo...too[/quote]

As I get older I see peers, co workers, etc who openly talk about taken advantage of the system and I agree its time for change. We need to look closely at long term welfare reciepient and how we define disability payments. We created a culture of fraud and abuse. You should aim for a 5% threashold with fraud and waste within all govern programs...I think disability and welfare, we are dealing around the high teens to possibly 20% or 1 in 5. That's terrible.

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[quote=Chico23231;1074913]As I get older I see peers, co workers, etc who openly talk about taken advantage of the system and I agree its time for change. We need to look closely at long term welfare reciepient and how we define disability payments. We created a culture of fraud and abuse. You should aim for a 5% threashold with fraud and waste within all govern programs...I think disability and welfare, we are dealing around the high teens to possibly 20% or 1 in 5. That's terrible.[/quote]

I'm glad you brought this up because in my opinion it's the starting point of the conversation and most people skip it.

When you have an entity trying to 'take care of' a group of people there is going to be waste. It's unfortunate, but there are just too many people that are more interested in gaming the system instead of living an 'honest' life; whether that be welfare recipients getting money they shouldn't, or organizations/businesses/'community groups' that seek to keep the system broken so that their role in it is preserved/increased.

So the question is - what is an acceptable level of waste? Once we can agree on that, then we can actually start talking about how we can take the current system and alter it to meet that goal.

Until we, as a country, start discussing it in that way welfare is going to be remain this broken point of contention between the two sides. The arm waving about abuse and anecdotal stories of beach bums from the right lacks the substance needed to actually make a real case for real reform without hurting the people welfare is actually intended to help.

The left is all too happy just leaving things the way they are right now. If you're going to incite change, you have to make compelling arguments. The Right hasn't been very successful lately in doing that. The fact that there's a large group of people on the left looking for any chance to label the Right's ideas as racist, classest, etc shows just how carefully you have to attack the subject if your interest is in actually causing change.

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Welfare is a really difficult subject. I've met quite a few people that were/are on welfare, and it's interesting. I worked with a guy that worked his ass off every day that had kids too young, and was on welfare. He hated it, but it was a hell of a lot better than his kids going hungry. He worked the whole time and got off it as soon as he could. I then met a friend of my girlfriend, at the time. She grew up on welfare her entire life. She ended up getting a full ride to a top tier university. Upon finishing her degree, she went and lives back home with her mother, on welfare. These are two examples. One of the system being used correctly, the other of the system failing. To be honest, meeting that girl was eye opening. Her comments constantly hinted that she was owed something, and people should be handing her things at every turn. She was given many opportunities and failed to capitalize on either.

The real problem to me, is you have to have a safety net for people. Having a class of people with no money, no prospects, and no hope is bad for countries. Ideally we find a way to shrink welfare programs, but get more people back on their feet. Personally, I feel like pushing for a higher working wage is a step in the right direction. We're paying more one way or another (taxes vs slightly higher prices).

To me, there's a big issue when the single largest recipient of welfare benefits are members of the US military. My guess is this may be more of a loophole than anything. Their paychecks are small, but they also don't have to provide housing for themselves. We need to find ways to help make people self sufficient. Sadly, it's more efficient for a single mother with 2 kids to stay home on welfare than to work a full-time minimum wage job.

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[quote=Daseal;1074958]

To me, there's a big issue when the single largest recipient of welfare benefits are members of the US military. My guess is this may be more of a loophole than anything. Their paychecks are small, but they also don't have to provide housing for themselves .[/quote]

With all due respect what the hell does that mean ,a loophole ???

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[quote=tshile;1074917]
The left is all too happy just leaving things the way they are right now. If you're going to incite change, you have to make compelling arguments. The Right hasn't been very successful lately in doing that. The fact that there's a large group of people on the left looking for any chance to label the Right's ideas as racist, classest, etc shows just how carefully you have to attack the subject if your interest is in actually causing change.[/quote]


I fully and whole heartily agree there needs to be change in the welfare system ,people who have been on it forever need to be trained to take care of and for themselves .Your big mistake is blaming the left ,it is in reality the fault of everybody in government ,left ,right ,tea ,independent etc ,what needs to be done is stop the "blame game" .

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It means many members of the military are provided housing, thus their income indicates that. Especially in the DC area an apartment (with a roommate) will run you at least 800 in rent alone. That's far from living large either.
[quote=Giantone;1074959]With all due respect what the hell does that mean ,a loophole ???[/quote]

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[quote=Giantone;1074960]I fully and whole heartily agree there needs to be change in the welfare system ,people who have been on it forever need to be trained to take care of and for themselves .Your big mistake is blaming the left ,it is in reality the fault of everybody in government ,left ,right ,tea ,independent etc ,what needs to be done is stop the "blame game" .[/quote]

Yeah I think when u talk about these issues, people need to put aside GOP or dem, left and right and politics in general. Just sit down and say hey we have a possible issue with the welfare system and go from there. U need an outside audit from the private sector as well.

In fact that is how everything should start, no politcs and actual real numbers

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[quote=Daseal;1074963]It means many members of the military are provided housing, thus their income indicates that. Especially in the DC area an apartment (with a roommate) will run you at least 800 in rent alone. That's far from living large either.[/quote]


I'm still don't understand what you mean loophole ?So do you think the military should or should not be getting welfare or do you think getting a housing allowance is welfare and just a tip an 800 hundred dollar a month apartment doesn't exist in the DC area (not one that is livable ) .
Question do you consider programs such as "wick" welfare ?Do you know that some Military base's don't have enough housing so they have to find housing else where ,so now there is commuting ,gas ,utilities, which point of fact they also pay while living on a base .I guess what I'm asking you is that do military families deserve help or not ?

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[quote=Giantone;1074960]I fully and whole heartily agree there needs to be change in the welfare system ,people who have been on it forever need to be trained to take care of and for themselves .Your big mistake is blaming the left ,it is in reality the fault of everybody in government ,left ,right ,tea ,independent etc ,what needs to be done is stop the "blame game" .[/quote]

My 'big mistake' is blaming the left?

I had a post where I blamed the right and the left for their politics on the issue. I also blamed the middle by saying we're constantly having the wrong conversation. You took a few sentences out of the whole post and then said I was 'blaming the left.'

The left does have blame. So does the right. The entire subject has become the stereotypical political football.

If our 'leaders' stop engaging in idiotic games of rehtoric over the issue, then we can actually go about trying to solve it. I do not see a point in hiding from the fact that these people have done a bang-up job in getting people riled up over the wrong things, stifling any possibility of actually fixing the problem.

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[quote=Daseal;1074958]

To me, there's a big issue when the single largest recipient of welfare benefits are members of the US military. My guess is this may be more of a loophole than anything. Their paychecks are small, but they also don't have to provide housing for themselves. We need to find ways to help make people self sufficient. Sadly, it's more efficient for a single mother with 2 kids to stay home on welfare than to work a full-time minimum wage job.[/quote]


I'm confused on this as well... as I'm not quite sure what you're getting at.

If you're saying that military members wind up on welfare after their service then I would join you in saying that's a big problem and one that needs fixing. I know it happens, but I'm not aware of it being a huge problem (maybe that's my own ignorance.)

If you're saying the benefits military members and their immediate families receive constitutes 'welfare' in the same sense as what is generally referred to as 'welfare' (ie: poor/non working people) then I'll politely disagree with you. In my opinion we don't do enough for our service members, and I have to strongly question whether the people that feel otherwise have ever bother serving themselves or have had close family that has. Comparing their benefits respective to what they do for a living to those that do not have a job or work extremely low wage jobs to qualify for 'welfare' is, in my opinion, very disrespectful.

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I'll take it back. The Military wasn't as high in the spending as I thought. I guess the statistic was government employees, which included Military. 104M worth of food stamps used on Military bases in 2012, which I believe is the most recent number.

A Private is given approximately 20K in salary and approximately 20K in food/housing incentives from the military.

I'll take back my statement.