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[quote=redsk1;977731][url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/redskins-ot-black-ped-suspension-a-railroad-job/article/2516279]Redskins' OT Jordan Black: A railroad job | WashingtonExaminer.com[/url]

Sorry if this has been posted, but here you go. Gotta question this suspension and the appeal process. Not a fan of [B]Goodell[/B]...[/quote]

Its getting to the point you cant trust anything he or his administration is saying or doing. If feel mislead by Goodell and the league on alot of things. Bounty gate, Cap penalties, PEDs, Referee Lockout, etc. The list keeps growing. But he seems more focused on very unpopular ideas, International expansion, playoff expanision, etc.

Im just done Goodell, wish he pack up and go.

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[quote=SmootSmack;977761]You'd give anything to trade out Mike Shanahan (and I'm guessing Kyle too) for Andy Reid?[/quote]

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[quote=SmootSmack;977761]You'd give anything to trade out Mike Shanahan (and I'm guessing Kyle too) for Andy Reid?[/quote]

And have our business-focused "GM" start running personnel decisions. Genius!

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Goat, what did you think of McNabb in Philly?

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Goat man I think you've worked yourself into a corner here. You do realize that BA is not really a personnel guy right? I guess more to the point...why do you think BA would be any "better" at it than Shanny? Or someone else? I think you must "hope" more than "believe" because there's no evidence to support your position that I know of.

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[quote=SmootSmack;977761]You'd give anything to trade out Mike Shanahan (and I'm guessing Kyle too) for Andy Reid?[/quote]

Wait ... aren't we supposed to judge by past successes? In 14 years, Reid has how many Super Bowl victories? How many times did he LOSE the NFC championship? Based on past performance, how is he better than MS? After taking time off he will magically recapture and improve upon his earlier success? What is the basis for such a conclusion?

Reid has had B. Westbrook and now L. McCoy - yet he can't find a running game. Third-down calls? Clock management? All of these are things Reid has been criticized for throughout his career. Aren't they [I]exactly[/I] the things that about which certain people have criticized MS?

What makes him better than MS? I don't get it.

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[quote=FRPLG;977779]Goat man I think you've worked yourself into a corner here. You do realize that BA is not really a personnel guy right? I guess more to the point...why do you think BA would be any "better" at it than Shanny? Or someone else? I think you must "hope" more than "believe" because there's no evidence to support your position that I know of.[/quote]

Strong post.

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[quote=SmootSmack;977777]Goat, what did you think of McNabb in Philly?[/quote]

Reid was holding him back.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;977781]Wait ... aren't we supposed to judge by past successes? In 14 years, Reid has how many Super Bowl victories? How many times did he LOSE the NFC championship? Based on past performance, how is he better than MS? After taking time off he will magically recapture and improve upon his earlier success? What is the basis for such a conclusion?

Reid has had B. Westbrook and now L. McCoy - yet he can't find a running game. Third-down calls? Clock management? All of these are things Reid has been criticized for throughout his career. Aren't they [I]exactly[/I] the things that about which certain people have criticized MS?

What makes him better than MS? I don't get it.[/quote]

Right, we'd rather trade out our two-time SB winning coach for a guy who got his team to be pretty good for a while. One coach's past success is relevant...the other's was achieved through no fault of his own.

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If Goat is consistent in anything, it is his innate ability to be logically inconsistent.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;977781]Wait ... aren't we supposed to judge by past successes? In 14 years, Reid has how many Super Bowl victories? How many times did he LOSE the NFC championship? Based on past performance, how is he better than MS? After taking time off he will magically recapture and improve upon his earlier success? What is the basis for such a conclusion?

[B]Reid has had B. Westbrook and now L. McCoy - yet he can't find a running game.[/B] Third-down calls? Clock management? All of these are things Reid has been criticized for throughout his career. Aren't they [I]exactly[/I] the things that about which certain people have criticized MS?

What makes him better than MS? I don't get it.[/quote]

Forget everything else, how you can take a talent like either B Westbrook and McCoy, and dumb down the offense to where defenses don't even have to worry about them? As ACME's favorite customer says Wile E Coyote, Super Genius!

Reid is a good coach(maybe was), but nothing in his recent past says he's going to turn it around, and I certainly strongly doubt he would here. Maybe going to SD, a change of scenery and division would spark something, but at this point in time, he just looks like he's lost it. The hiring of Juan Castillo was about as dumb a move as you could make, but then, he made an even dumber one in scapegoating his "friend" and firing him.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;977787]If Goat is consistent in anything, it is his innate ability to be logically inconsistent.[/quote]

This seems to be a recent development... or i just never noticed before. I feel like there are two or more people with access to his account. Sometimes, i feel like he's spot on. Other times, he says stuff like this.

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Recent? No my friend ...
[I]Example A[/I]
(1) We lack speed at receiver;
(2) Pierre Garcon is a bad signing, we should re-sign Jabar Gaffney.

[I]Example B[/I]
(1) Our line can't pass protect;
(2) We should have a more traditional offense with Griffin doing more straight drop backs.

[I]Example C[/I]
(1) MS past success came against weak competition in the AFC West and is not an indicator of future success;
(2) Other retread coaches with lesser resumes should be hired.

Sorry, Goat occasionally makes some legitimate points, but, IMHO, it's just b/c he always predicts failure by Shanahan. Well, not being perfect, predictions that MS will screw-up are bound to be right on occasion.

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You know what? Let's not let Goat usurp this thread. Until he returns to respond, let's just move on to the original topic at hand

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^^ Yup. Sorry.

So, about those PED's ...

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[quote=JoeRedskin;977797]^^ Yup. Sorry.

So, about those PED's ...[/quote]


Perhaps the Eagles' decline from "Dynasty"-caliber to one of the worst teams in the league is because they STOPPED taking steroids. :D


Back to Black, I am almost afraid to see what "the League" does to us next. It's been very apparent we're being targeted this year...perhaps retribution for contesting the cap penalties and the well-deserved bad press the NFL has gotten because of us exposing their collusion and inconsistent application of rules?

I wouldn't be surprised to see a key player like Garcon or Trent Williams suspended for some bogus claim just to get them off the field for a key game...especially if we match up against the Giants in the playoffs, which is a likely possibility. Even if it's proven to be a false claim, the damage could already be done when we lose.

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Not to take this thread off course, but am I the only one who has at least thought AP might have juiced given his rapid recovery and phenomenal performance this season?

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I think someone else, NC Skins maybe?, thought the same

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[quote=SmootSmack;977821]I think someone else, NC Skins maybe?, thought the same[/quote]


Juicing would be good for muscle recovery, not ligament recovery. In fact, steroids can cause the muscles to outgrow the ligaments/tendons, which could ultimately lead to them tearing. I wouldn't suspect AD of taking roids to repair a ACL. It would be counter productive actually.


I've dealt with this crap too much not to know about it and not to realize that a lot of guys are on it. I am to roids, what you are to sports entertainment TV. Take that to the bank.

NO, I don't think everybody is on them, but I'm certainly not surprised when any of them test positive. I'm not cynical, I'm a realist when it comes to sports, big money, and PEDS.

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[quote=NC_Skins;977829] [B]In fact, steroids weakens the ligaments. [/B]


I've dealt with this crap too much not to know about it and not to realize that a lot of guys are on it. I am to roids, what you are to sports entertainment TV. Take that to the bank.
[/quote]

False.

If SmootSmack is to sports entertainment TV, what you are to roids, then he needs to look for a new profession.

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[quote=Brikks;977838]False.

If SmootSmack is to sports entertainment TV, what you are to roids, then he needs to look for a new profession.[/quote]

Reread what I said and I notice you left off the following sentence clarifying that to suit your purpose.


The muscles outgrow the ligaments. No, it doesn't directly weaken the ligament, but you are taking my point and playing semantics.


Also, Corticosteroids will weaken ligament and tendon strength so what I said was technically accurate.

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;977751]Stop making excuses for our OLine!

:cheeky-sm[/QUOTE]

Nice. I guess that was a pretty versatile statement.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;977796]You know what? Let's not let Goat usurp this thread. Until he returns to respond, let's just move on to the original topic at hand[/QUOTE]

Back to black - i hit the sack a- ive been too long im glad to be back.....

[QUOTE=12thMan;977815]Not to take this thread off course, but am I the only one who has at least thought AP might have juiced given his rapid recovery and phenomenal performance this season?[/QUOTE]

I said it too. I said hgh. But I dont know crap about steroids even though im ****ing huge and stacked like a pancake. I havent harped on it but man the comeback is miraculous.

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[quote=NC_Skins;977845]Reread what I said and I notice you left off the following sentence clarifying that to suit your purpose.


The muscles outgrow the ligaments. No, it doesn't directly weaken the ligament, but you are taking my point and playing semantics.


Also, Corticosteroids will weaken ligament and tendon strength so what I said was technically accurate.[/quote]

I know what you meant and I don't mean to play the semantics game, but I couldn't help myself by pointing it out. If you feel as strongly as you hinted at about the subject, you are well aware of the massive amount of misinformation floating around in regards to anabolic steroids.

An ignorant person would indeed take that one sentence and start spreading it as fact.

Regardless, no need to further break down each others posts looking for inconsistencies by either party.

HTTR

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To replace Black on the roster (at the moment), we've picked up some LB depth in
[B][SIZE=7]Vic So'oto[/SIZE].[/B]


[URL="http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7195/vic-sooto"]Vic So'oto - Washington Redskins - 2012 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com[/URL]



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[quote=Brikks;977877]I know what you meant and I don't mean to play the semantics game, but I couldn't help myself by pointing it out. If you feel as strongly as you hinted at about the subject, you are well aware of the massive amount of misinformation floating around in regards to anabolic steroids.

An ignorant person would indeed take that one sentence and start spreading it as fact.[/quote]



Touché!


In lieu of this very fact, I think I'll edit it just to prevent that very thing.

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[quote=Monkeydad;977878]To replace Black on the roster (at the moment), we've picked up some LB depth in
[B][SIZE=7]Vic So'oto[/SIZE].[/B]


[URL="http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7195/vic-sooto"]Vic So'oto - Washington Redskins - 2012 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com[/URL]



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Missed it in the new "Will RG3 play this week" thread?

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Regarding Black, it should be noted that, while he doesnt start on offense, he does start on kick blocking plays.... remember last year how many field goals and punts were blocked when we lost our some of our primary kickblockers due to injuries and suspensions? This could be bad news for Forbath's streak.

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Supposedly, our scouts and personnel guys under BA/MS are quite good, right? SS has said this repeatedly. And BA is a smart guy, I'd expect him to rely on their expertise regarding personnel and probably promote someone within, but absolutely I want BA at the top of the pyramid. Here again, he's said to have done wonders for the culture around Redskins Park. Does he bring in another personnel guy? Sure, whatever.

The larger point is to seperate coaching from personnel. Mike will never go for that, and I do not believe he can build a contender wearing the personnel hat, period. So you say Mike goes to personnel full time, and Kyle becomes HC. I asked the question in another thread and nobody tried to answer it, because the answer would be a fake: is Kyle a leader of men or just another offensive guru? And what if he struggles as HC? Does daddy fire him? It's a really, really stupid position to put yourself in as a franchise. In fact, I think it's unheard of, and for good reason.

I think it's funny there's a whole thread about a "Shanaplan" but there isn't a single person who can say what that plan has been, is today, or will be down the road. Just a lot of conjecture. But again, we know certain things. We know Mike thinks he knows best about personnel and will always want to be that guy. We know he "misses" a lot defensively. We know his last stop, Denver, isn't missing him in the least right now.

The arguments made against Reid were really shallow. His big screw up, not even mentioned btw, was betting on the wrong horse (Vick) who can't stay healthy and had a lower ceiling than many expected. And you can't ignore the injuries across his roster, most especially to Jason Peters and the whole oline. But more than anything, he's experienced the worst possible tragedy. It would be unreal, almost disturbing if he weren't showing signs of weariness and lack of focus this season. I don't know how some of you blow this off...hopefully it's just the kool-aid talking and not serious thought.

But yeah, I'd take a legit FO structure coupled with Reid or a handful of other HCs over the mysterious Shanaplan. We're facing two years of limited resources with an HC/GM that hasn't been able to develop a single defensive player selected outside the first two rounds, and we've seen myriad FA screw ups. It's not just McNabb. There's Brown. There's Doughty and Williams starting at safety because we bet on a dope head and a guy who hasn't been healthy in years. There's an oline that struggled mightily to pass protect when basically at full health, and now we'll see where that goes. A lot of this goes back to opportunity cost. How much better could the defense be, and even the offense, if we hadn't blown up the entire defense that still today isn't as good as the one Mike inherited?

I think what we saw is a lot of one step forward, two steps back during Mike's first two years, though this season looks like two steps forward, one step back. We got RG and the offense clicking, but the secondary fell into the toilet and the defense was a huge liability up until recently.

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[quote=The Goat;977953]Supposedly, our scouts and personnel guys under BA/MS are quite good, right? SS has said this repeatedly. And BA is a smart guy, I'd expect him to rely on their expertise regarding personnel and probably promote someone within, but absolutely I want BA at the top of the pyramid. Here again, he's said to have done wonders for the culture around Redskins Park. Does he bring in another personnel guy? Sure, whatever.

The larger point is to seperate coaching from personnel. Mike will never go for that, and I do not believe he can build a contender wearing the personnel hat, period. So you say Mike goes to personnel full time, and Kyle becomes HC. I asked the question in another thread and nobody tried to answer it, because the answer would be a fake: is Kyle a leader of men or just another offensive guru? And what if he struggles as HC? Does daddy fire him? It's a really, really stupid position to put yourself in as a franchise. In fact, I think it's unheard of, and for good reason.

I think it's funny there's a whole thread about a "Shanaplan" but there isn't a single person who can say what that plan has been, is today, or will be down the road. Just a lot of conjecture. But again, we know certain things. We know Mike thinks he knows best about personnel and will always want to be that guy. We know he "misses" a lot defensively. We know his last stop, Denver, isn't missing him in the least right now.

The arguments made against Reid were really shallow. His big screw up, not even mentioned btw, was betting on the wrong horse (Vick) who can't stay healthy and had a lower ceiling than many expected. And you can't ignore the injuries across his roster, most especially to Jason Peters and the whole oline. But more than anything, he's experienced the worst possible tragedy. It would be unreal, almost disturbing if he weren't showing signs of weariness and lack of focus this season. I don't know how some of you blow this off...hopefully it's just the kool-aid talking and not serious thought.

But yeah, I'd take a legit FO structure coupled with Reid or a handful of other HCs over the mysterious Shanaplan. We're facing two years of limited resources with an HC/GM that hasn't been able to develop a single defensive player selected outside the first two rounds, and we've seen myriad FA screw ups. It's not just McNabb. There's Brown. There's Doughty and Williams starting at safety because we bet on a dope head and a guy who hasn't been healthy in years. There's an oline that struggled mightily to pass protect when basically at full health, and now we'll see where that goes. A lot of this goes back to opportunity cost. How much better could the defense be, and even the offense, if we hadn't blown up the entire defense that still today isn't as good as the one Mike inherited?

I think what we saw is a lot of one step forward, two steps back during Mike's first two years, though this season looks like two steps forward, one step back. We got RG and the offense clicking, but the secondary fell into the toilet and the defense was a huge liability up until recently.[/quote]

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[quote=The Goat;977953]Supposedly, our scouts and personnel guys under BA/MS are quite good, right? SS has said this repeatedly. And BA is a smart guy, I'd expect him to rely on their expertise regarding personnel and probably promote someone within, but absolutely I want BA at the top of the pyramid. Here again, he's said to have done wonders for the culture around Redskins Park. Does he bring in another personnel guy? Sure, whatever.

The larger point is to seperate coaching from personnel. Mike will never go for that, and I do not believe he can build a contender wearing the personnel hat, period. So you say Mike goes to personnel full time, and Kyle becomes HC. I asked the question in another thread and nobody tried to answer it, because the answer would be a fake: is Kyle a leader of men or just another offensive guru? And what if he struggles as HC? Does daddy fire him? It's a really, really stupid position to put yourself in as a franchise. In fact, I think it's unheard of, and for good reason.

I think it's funny there's a whole thread about a "Shanaplan" but there isn't a single person who can say what that plan has been, is today, or will be down the road. Just a lot of conjecture. But again, we know certain things. We know Mike thinks he knows best about personnel and will always want to be that guy. We know he "misses" a lot defensively. We know his last stop, Denver, isn't missing him in the least right now.

The arguments made against Reid were really shallow. His big screw up, not even mentioned btw, was betting on the wrong horse (Vick) who can't stay healthy and had a lower ceiling than many expected. And you can't ignore the injuries across his roster, most especially to Jason Peters and the whole oline. But more than anything, he's experienced the worst possible tragedy. It would be unreal, almost disturbing if he weren't showing signs of weariness and lack of focus this season. I don't know how some of you blow this off...hopefully it's just the kool-aid talking and not serious thought.

But yeah, I'd take a legit FO structure coupled with Reid or a handful of other HCs over the mysterious Shanaplan. We're facing two years of limited resources with an HC/GM that hasn't been able to develop a single defensive player selected outside the first two rounds, and we've seen myriad FA screw ups. It's not just McNabb. There's Brown. There's Doughty and Williams starting at safety because we bet on a dope head and a guy who hasn't been healthy in years. There's an oline that struggled mightily to pass protect when basically at full health, and now we'll see where that goes. A lot of this goes back to opportunity cost. How much better could the defense be, and even the offense, if we hadn't blown up the entire defense that still today isn't as good as the one Mike inherited?

I think what we saw is a lot of one step forward, two steps back during Mike's first two years, though this season looks like two steps forward, one step back. We got RG and the offense clicking, but the secondary fell into the toilet and the defense was a huge liability up until recently.[/quote]

What does any of this have to do with Jordan Black?

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Goat, you know Shanny is getting strong consideration for coach of the year and RG3 MVP? And the Skins are vying for home playoff game?

You know when Zorn left the franchise was at the absolute bottom that most fans had never experienced?

I kinda dont get it

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The problem I have with Goat's argument that Shanny doesn't have a plan is, by his standard, most teams in the NFL don't have a plan either. They're either winging it or hoping and praying something good happens.

The Redskins are in first place in the NFC East for the first time in a very long time. To suggest it was luck or chance, because that's what Goat's suggesting, is ludicrous on so many levels it really doesn't warrant a serious response. Yet here we are.

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Goat your main argument against Shanny seems to break down to you don't KNOW what the plan is.

The whole argument is ironically made upon assumptions and conjecture...that which explicitly dislike.

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Since Goat decided to derail the thread and criticize Shanahan as a personnel guy, i'll play along. But lets actually look at what Shanahan has done. I apologize to anyone who's color blind, but i've made 4 categories. Please note that an * indicates the player is on another NFL team.

[COLOR="SeaGreen"]Stud / Starter - Green[/COLOR]
[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]Contributer - Blue[/COLOR]
Unknown - Black
[COLOR="Red"]Dud - Red[/COLOR]

[B]2010 Draft
Round Pick Overall Name Position College[/B]
1 4 4 [COLOR="seagreen"]Trent Williams [/COLOR]OT
4 5 103 [COLOR="seagreen"]Perry Riley [/COLOR]LB
6 5 174 [COLOR="Red"]Dennis Morris [/COLOR]TE
7 12 219 [COLOR="red"]Terrence Austin [/COLOR]WR
7 22 229 [COLOR="red"]Erik Cook[/COLOR] G
7 24 231 Selvish Capers* OT


[B]2011 Draft
Round Pick Overall Name Position [/B]
1 16 16 [COLOR="seagreen"]Ryan Kerrigan[/COLOR] DE
2 9 41 [COLOR="RoyalBlue"]Jarvis Jenkins [/COLOR]DT
3 15 79 [COLOR="royalblue"]Leonard Hankerson [/COLOR]WR
4 8 105 [COLOR="royalblue"]Roy Helu[/COLOR] RB
5 15 146 [COLOR="royalblue"]DeJon Gomes[/COLOR] S
5 24 155 [COLOR="royalblue"]Niles Paul[/COLOR] WR
6 12 177 [COLOR="royalblue"]Evan Royster[/COLOR] RB
6 13 178 [COLOR="royalblue"]Aldrick Robinson[/COLOR] WR
7 10 213 Brandyn Thompson CB
7 14 217 Maurice Hurt OT
7 21 224 Markus White* DE
7 50 253 [COLOR="royalblue"]Chris Neild[/COLOR] DT


[B][U]2012 Draft[/U][/B]
[B]Round Pick Overall Name Position [/B]
1 2 2 [COLOR="SeaGreen"]Robert Griffin III[/COLOR] QB
3 8 71 Josh LeRibeus OG
4 7 102 [COLOR="RoyalBlue"]Kirk Cousins [/COLOR]QB
4 24 119 [COLOR="royalblue"]Keenan Robinson [/COLOR]ILB
5 6 141 Adam Gettis OG
6 3 173 [COLOR="SeaGreen"]Alfred Morris[/COLOR] RB
6 23 193 Tom Compton OT
7 6 213 [COLOR="RoyalBlue"]Richard Crawford[/COLOR] CB
7 10 217 Jordan Bernstine S

To me, it looks like Shanahan's drafts have been largely successful. He's drafted some studs, ALOT of contributers, and very few duds. In fact, every player he's drafted in 2011 and 2012 is on an NFL roster and contributing in some fashion. Compare that to anything this organization has had in the last 20 years and explain how Shanahan's drafts have not been lightyears better.

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The "Shanaplan" is just a term used to basically say are you on board with this regime and the direction we're headed.

I didn't think that was hard to figure out. Sorry for the confusion.

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the shanaplan is a 5 point plan, it will have it's own wiki page shortly

[QUOTE=The Goat;977953]Supposedly, our scouts and personnel guys under BA/MS are quite good, right? SS has said this repeatedly. And BA is a smart guy, I'd expect him to rely on their expertise regarding personnel and probably promote someone within, but absolutely I want BA at the top of the pyramid. Here again, he's said to have done wonders for the culture around Redskins Park. Does he bring in another personnel guy? Sure, whatever.

The larger point is to seperate coaching from personnel. Mike will never go for that, and I do not believe he can build a contender wearing the personnel hat, period. So you say Mike goes to personnel full time, and Kyle becomes HC. I asked the question in another thread and nobody tried to answer it, because the answer would be a fake: is Kyle a leader of men or just another offensive guru? And what if he struggles as HC? Does daddy fire him? It's a really, really stupid position to put yourself in as a franchise. In fact, I think it's unheard of, and for good reason.

I think it's funny there's a whole thread about a "Shanaplan" but there isn't a single person who can say what that plan has been, is today, or will be down the road. Just a lot of conjecture. But again, we know certain things. We know Mike thinks he knows best about personnel and will always want to be that guy. We know he "misses" a lot defensively. We know his last stop, Denver, isn't missing him in the least right now.

The arguments made against Reid were really shallow. His big screw up, not even mentioned btw, was betting on the wrong horse (Vick) who can't stay healthy and had a lower ceiling than many expected. And you can't ignore the injuries across his roster, most especially to Jason Peters and the whole oline. But more than anything, he's experienced the worst possible tragedy. It would be unreal, almost disturbing if he weren't showing signs of weariness and lack of focus this season. I don't know how some of you blow this off...hopefully it's just the kool-aid talking and not serious thought.

But yeah, I'd take a legit FO structure coupled with Reid or a handful of other HCs over the mysterious Shanaplan. We're facing two years of limited resources with an HC/GM that hasn't been able to develop a single defensive player selected outside the first two rounds, and we've seen myriad FA screw ups. It's not just McNabb. There's Brown. There's Doughty and Williams starting at safety because we bet on a dope head and a guy who hasn't been healthy in years. There's an oline that struggled mightily to pass protect when basically at full health, and now we'll see where that goes. A lot of this goes back to opportunity cost. How much better could the defense be, and even the offense, if we hadn't blown up the entire defense that still today isn't as good as the one Mike inherited?

I think what we saw is a lot of one step forward, two steps back during Mike's first two years, though this season looks like two steps forward, one step back. We got RG and the offense clicking, but the secondary fell into the toilet and the defense was a huge liability up until recently.[/QUOTE]

Goat there will always be someone somewhere that is better at something. No team in any sport is perfect from the top on down. However if it aint broke donr fix it. Six weeks ago i think your argument about changes might have been worth atleast listening to but now? I have always said that winning will bring praise - confidence - and belief in a future. The only thing that still bothered me was - is it just rg-3? In other words - was RG-3 saving jobs, and could this organization be built better suited for RG-3 to reach his absolute ceiling for success - although that even seemed silly because of what RG-3 was already accomplishing. Though it was still a thought that maybe someone could even get more out of him. After last week when our rookie backup QB won a road game and a crucial road game at that everything imo has changed. Even our defense has been pretty damn good over these five weeks. As a matter of fact minus the fourth quarter against Dallas they have been awesome. So instead of looking at the cap penalty or personell problems on Defense as a burden look at it like this......we are winning NOW. We are on the cusp of winning the divvision. In year Five of the Shanaplan we will have players on D and we will have our capspace back. We will have a core group of incredibly talented and young skill position players. We will have injured players like Rak and Carriker and Davis and BW back in the mix. In five weeks the plan has completely turned around and taken shape before our very eyes.

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Don't we already have a Shanaplan thread?