[QUOTE=milellie111;986764]Yeah, lets blame Robert, the 22 year old kid with less than a year of experience playing in the NFL as opposed to blaming the coach who has over 30 years of coaching experiencing in the NFL and should know that when your QB can't run or complete a pass and is limping on one leg, maybe you should pull him out instead of sacrificing him to one of the dirtiest top defense in the league.[/QUOTE]

What did the seattle defense have to do with the injuries. It wasn't a smashmouth or dirty hit, it wasn't a zone read option run, it wasn't some evil man pushing buttons at Buffalo Wild Wings(although I want to make sure a sprinkler head didn't pop up). ALOT of people are making their pet peeves into a part of the reason why RG3's knee gave out.

How many injuries were there this year? yeah I am pretty sure it wasn't just one.

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[quote=Mattyk;986668]I figured.

Just wanted to get in the youth crack though.

How old are you anyway?[/quote]

57 years young.

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[quote=Hog1;986746]I have heard and read a few "Football" people weigh in on this issue...like Jaws, Trent Dilfer, Herm Edwards, Mike Golic, Doc Walker and several others who either played the game or coached it.
ALL....universally...support Mike and his decision to play Robert under the circumstances.[/quote]

Can you remember the last time a mainstream sports-media personality, especially from ESPN, openly criticized a current HC in a circumstance of this magnitude? Who? When?

Its a blessing in disguise that Shanny had his blinders on. Heres why - according to a doctor on Sirius this morning a partially torn acl cannot be reattached obviously which leaves you with a weak joint until it eventually tears all the way. So Shanny being the genius that he is left Griff in until it tore. Now he can have surgery in a few hours and be 100% for the season opener. I think KC-1 might have been able to score once or twice and pull out the win with a 14 point lead, but maybe would have fell short of the ultimate goal. We need a healthy Griff to win it all and now we will have one.
In all seriousness, i will never be able to comprehend the decision to leave him, in so im chalking it up as a blessing in disguise. Had we taken him out i believe the injury would have lingered for a long time. Now we just have to hope there isnt another FREAK injury like the one against the Ravens that started this mess. Make no bones about it either. It was a freak injury. When Griff comes back in September he will be a well oiled machine and ready to roll.

[QUOTE=GMScud;986504]Yes, but he was ineffective because he knee was hanging by a thread. Everyone saw it. Benching him keeps him out of harms way AND gives us the best chance to win. It's not like he was 100% healthy and just having an off day. If that was the case, of course you don't take him out.[/QUOTE]

Add to this that our backup is not Joe Webb, and has just recently come in and saved the day not once but twice and your head will really start itching.

[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;986534]You're combining two arguments that, in my mind, are competely seperate.

From a health perspective, I dont think RGIII should have played to begin with. He should have been inactive. However, since Shanahan decided to start him, at that point, you stick with him just like you would if he were 100% healthy. You only remove him if an injury that prevents him from playing.[/QUOTE]

It was pretty evident after the first quarter that the injury was preventing him from playing imo.

[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;986538]By the same token, how many people would be slamming Shanahan if he had benched Griffin, and Cousins had lost us the game. RGIII would be whining about being benched, saying he wanted to stay in the game to win it for the team, but he had to do what coach said. Then Shanahan's getting slammed for creating a quarterback controversy.[/QUOTE]

I disagree. After the first quarter i dont think anybody in their rite mind would have questioned him being taken out of the game. Our offense was literally gaining three yards a quarter. Even though it was a game until late, that had nothing to do with our offense. Once Seattle finally took the lead i knew it was over in my heart. There were 7 minutes left and it was over. I was saying to my friends, "watch here comes RG-3 to do his magic" but in my heart i knew i was just throwing out punchlines at that point.

[QUOTE=The Goat;986601]Totally irrelevant, mormons are nice to everyone. And who's Griese?[/QUOTE]

Lmao. I must say ive never met an angry mormon.
Edit: im not sure ive ever met a mormon period? Are they the ones that knock on my door all the time? They seem nice.

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[quote=Counter-Tre;986772]Forget whether or not anyone knew the extent of RGIII's at the time - they should have pulled him because he couldn't perform anymore! If he was hobbling around hurt but still making plays despite it all, that's one thing, but he couldn't do shit! Anyway, I hope the guy is able to recover and doesn't come back until he's 100%.[/quote]

This poster is 100% right, IMO. It seems to me that, since RGIII was not performing well and there was clearly the risk of further injury to his knee if he were to remain in the game, it was practically a no brainer to pull him.

When asked about not pulling RGIII by the Press, Mike Shanahan mentioned other injured players who also were on the field. No offense to any of those other players, but RGIII is no ordinary player. He is the most talented and dynamic Redskins QB I have ever seen - and I've seen them all since Eddie LeBaron. IMO Shanahan stupidly rolled the dice not just on one playoff game but also on the future of the franchise - and he may have lost both.

I'm po'ed about RGIII's injury because there was no good reason for him to be on the field when it happened.

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I didnt have a problem with RG3 playing when he wasnt 100% because this was the playoffs. If it was week 4 I would have been po'd that he was in. There is a lot of talk about the future but the playoffs were now and there is no guarantee of the future since this could have happened in training camp.

I do think there was a point in the game when RG3 was hurting the O more than helping and at that point he should have come out.

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[quote=punch it in;986841]Its a blessing in disguise that Shanny had his blinders on. Heres why - according to a doctor on Sirius this morning a partially torn acl cannot be reattached obviously which leaves you with a weak joint until it eventually tears all the way. So Shanny being the genius that he is left Griff in until it tore. Now he can have surgery in a few hours and be 100% for the season opener. I think KC-1 might have been able to score once or twice and pull out the win with a 14 point lead, but maybe would have fell short of the ultimate goal. We need a healthy Griff to win it all and now we will have one.
In all seriousness, i will never be able to comprehend the decision to leave him, in so im chalking it up as a blessing in disguise. Had we taken him out i believe the injury would have lingered for a long time. Now we just have to hope there isnt another FREAK injury like the one against the Ravens that started this mess. Make no bones about it either. It was a freak injury. When Griff comes back in September he will be a well oiled machine and ready to roll.[/quote]

You do know 2/3 of all football palyers never return fronm a torn ACL from what I heard on the Mike & Mike show today.

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[quote=firstdown;986922]You do know 2/3 of all football palyers never return fronm a torn ACL from what I heard on the Mike & Mike show today.[/quote]

I don't know that I believe that stat. But at this point it is what it is. Dr. Andrews is a proficient surgeon, RGIII has rehabbed the same type injury, so he knows what to do, and then we will see where he is next year. I think we can point to a lot of successful recoveries, and some who didn't. I personally see it as something he can recover from and be an excellent player in this league.

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[quote=firstdown;986922]You do know 2/3 of all football palyers never return fronm a torn ACL from what I heard on the Mike & Mike show today.[/quote]

Here's another article on ACL recovery percentages. [url=http://draftcalc.com/fantasy-football-content/articles/dont-tear-your-acl-after-23-years-of-age/]Don’t Tear Your ACL After 23 Years Of Age! : DraftCalc.com[/url]

One main thing to consider, is that Griffin isn't a RB, he is a QB. While he does use his mobility, he's not a consistent 30-40 attempts type runner.

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As bored (already) of this discussion, I really wonder if we would be hammering Shanny as much if we won the game and even went on to win a couple other games in the playoffs.

He's hurt, not dead. He will recover from the surgery and likely will play at a very high level for the next 8-14 years. He's always said he sees himself as more of an Aaron Rodgers type than Michael Vick anyways. Even post surgery, maybe he goes from a 4.35 to a 4.5. Some of you cats are acting like he will become Byron Leftwich all of the sudden.

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[quote=Paintrain;986954]As bored (already) of this discussion, I really wonder if we would be hammering Shanny as much if we won the game and even went on to win a couple other games in the playoffs.

He's hurt, not dead. He will recover from the surgery and likely will play at a very high level for the next 8-14 years. He's always said he sees himself as more of an Aaron Rodgers type than Michael Vick anyways. Even post surgery, maybe he goes from a 4.35 to a 4.5. Some of you cats are acting like he will become Byron Leftwich all of the sudden.[/quote]

The whining around here (and w/ the local media) is so out of control.

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You know what, yes, the whining is out of control. You know what else, it's completely fukcing justified. This isn't Rex Grossman or another Joe who got hurt. This is possibly the greatest talent we've seen at QB in our lifetime. I don't think that's an over-exaggeration one bit.

Those of you who are telling the rest of us to cool it, chill, or whatever -- seem to be missing the point (or maybe you're not). This could have been avoided. That's what has everyone pissy. It's not the nature of the injury or even the fact that it happened. We all know this is the NFL. Shit happens. Superstars get hurt every week. You move on. It's the gross negligence and carelessness that has the fan base up in arms. I'll bet this shit will go on for a good little while too.

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[quote=12thMan;987011]You know what, yes, the whining is out of control. You know what else, it's completely fukcing justified. This isn't Rex Grossman or another Joe who got hurt. This is possibly the greatest talent we've seen at QB in our lifetime. I don't think that's an over-exaggeration one bit.

Those of you who are telling the rest of us to cool it, chill, or whatever -- seem to be missing the point (or maybe you're not). This could have been avoided. That's what has everyone pissy. It's not the nature of the injury or even the fact that it happened. We all know this is the NFL. Shit happens. Superstars get hurt every week. You move on. It's the gross negligence and carelessness that has the fan base up in arms. I'll bet this shit will go on for a good little while too.[/quote]

Being pissed off doesn't fix anything.

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[quote=Ruhskins;987012]Being pissed off doesn't fix anything.[/quote]

No shit Captain Obvious.

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Injuries happen, it's football.

People need to get a grip, and maybe some perspective on life just a bit?

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[quote=12thMan;987011]You know what, yes, the whining is out of control. You know what else, it's completely fukcing justified. This isn't Rex Grossman or another Joe who got hurt. This is possibly the greatest talent we've seen at QB in our lifetime. I don't think that's an over-exaggeration one bit.

Those of you who are telling the rest of us to cool it, chill, or whatever -- seem to be missing the point (or maybe you're not). This could have been avoided. That's what has everyone pissy. It's not the nature of the injury or even the fact that it happened. We all know this is the NFL. Shit happens. Superstars get hurt every week. You move on. It's the gross negligence and carelessness that has the fan base up in arms. I'll bet this shit will go on for a good little while too.[/quote]

But it could not have been avoided. With RG's style of play it was just a matter of time. He should have slid legs first (against Baltimore) and he never would have got hurt in the first place. But he did, the kids got an ego and thinks he's Superman when everyone kept telling him he needs to protect himself. I put just as much blame on RG3 as I do Mike Shanahan for keeping him in there when he was obviously injured.

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[quote=12thMan;987013]No shit Captain Obvious.[/quote]

It is obviously not that obvious given a lot of these posts.

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I might be more pissed if Beck or Grossman were the back ups. I just have complete and total confidence in Cousins. He's performed very well in pre season, he's performed very well against Cleveland and I expect him to be even better next year. That pick a lot of us bitched about sure looks pretty damn good now doesn't it?

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[quote=skinsfan69;987018]But it could not have been avoided. With RG's style of play it was just a matter of time. He should have slid legs first (against Baltimore) and he never would have got hurt in the first place. But he did, the kids got an ego and thinks he's Superman when everyone kept telling him he needs to protect himself. I put just as much blame on RG3 as I do Mike Shanahan for keeping him in there when he was obviously injured.[/quote]

This most certainly could have been avoided. I'm talking about the Baltimore game, all the ensuing games, snaps it was clear he wasn't close to 100%. Not even 70%. Should have been pulled after that second TD. Maybe he shouldn't have played at all.

The Baltimore hit is what it is. Clean play, clean hit. That happens. No one's upset about that.

This thread is going somewhere it doesnt have to go. Im not sure why we cant talk about our future(rg-3) and his injury, without (as usual) choosing sides. Lets morph away from blame and concentrate on the recovery of Griff and the future of this team. Imo Griff will be 100 % at the start of the season. Also - and imo most important the chance of a freak injury (like the ngata hit which started all of this) happening again are no greater than they are for any other player with a football in his hands. Just last nite the word was he is out for 2013 possibly. An hour later it was he will be ready for the opener. In three months he will be he should be dressed for last game ofthe pre-season.
Httr

My guess is he will start on PUP list, I think he would have to miss first 6 games not sure.

Bottom line is we can't go back in time and take him out of the game. There is no one person to blame for this it's mix from coaching staff, RG3, medical staff.

We have to move forward and the team will find ways to improve this team to be better next year with or without RG3 to start the season. It's a positive that Kirk can get all the offseason reps and be very prepared to start the season and who knows, we could get off to a hot start with Kirk.

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hire del rio! he's a proven winner, and just what this team needs.

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[quote=punch it in;987027]This thread is going somewhere it doesnt have to go. Im not sure why we cant talk about our future(rg-3) and his injury, without (as usual) choosing sides. Lets morph away from blame and concentrate on the recovery of Griff and the future of this team. Imo Griff will be 100 % at the start of the season. Also - and imo most important the chance of a freak injury (like the ngata hit which started all of this) happening again are no greater than they are for any other player with a football in his hands. Just last nite the word was he is out for 2013 possibly. An hour later it was he will be ready for the opener. In three months he will be he should be dressed for last game ofthe pre-season.
Httr[/quote]


Dude, how about letting people vent and say what's on their minds? If people choose not be "negative" and focus on the knee, fine. If they want to talk about how much Shanny sucks, there's a thread for that too.

Fans are justifiably upset. There's nothing wrong with that. Let people be emotional.

EDIT: This is the Shanny sucks thread. So it's totally fine to post that shit here:)

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[quote=That Guy;987042]hire del rio! he's a proven winner, and just what this team needs.[/quote][URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1634325"]keep chopping[/URL]

[QUOTE=12thMan;987048]Dude, how about letting people vent and say what's on their minds? If people choose not be "negative" and focus on the knee, fine. If they want to talk about how much Shanny sucks, there's a thread for that too.

Fans are justifiably upset. There's nothing wrong with that. Let people be emotional.

EDIT: This is the Shanny sucks thread. So it's totally fine to post that shit here:)[/QUOTE]

Your taking me alittle out of context. I hate the decision Shanny made on every level. Ive said it several times. I was more referring to the fact that if i, or you say what we feel it becomes so black and white. If i say Shanny ****ed up i am a whiner or i want him fired? Lol.
So im trying to take the high road and get on with the future and the recovery of Griff. Believe me im the last one to stand in the way of the voicing of any venting or opinions. Wouldnt be a good forum without it.

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[quote=punch it in;986847]Lmao. I must say ive never met an angry mormon.
Edit: im not sure ive ever met a mormon period? [B]Are they the ones that knock on my door all the time?[/B] They seem nice.[/quote]

Probably. When we were little kids some mormons gave my friend (who was poorer than my family, which was no small feat) a bike!! I've never forgotten that.

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[quote=12thMan;987048]Dude, how about letting people vent and say what's on their minds? If people choose not be "negative" and focus on the knee, fine. If they want to talk about how much Shanny sucks, there's a thread for that too.

Fans are justifiably upset. There's nothing wrong with that. Let people be emotional.

EDIT: This is the Shanny sucks thread. So it's totally fine to post that shit here:)[/quote]

Summo's thread is place for that.

[QUOTE=The Goat;987074]Probably. When we were little kids some mormons gave my friend (who was poorer than my family, which was no small feat) a bike!! I've never forgotten that.[/QUOTE]

It might have just been a recruiting tool?

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[quote=punch it in;986847]Lmao. I must say ive never met an angry mormon.
Edit: im not sure ive ever met a mormon period? Are they the ones that knock on my door all the time? They seem nice.[/quote]

No, those are tax collectors.


All of the doorknockers I've encountered are actually Jehovah's Witnesses, not Mormons. Different thing.

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I'd like to have Shanahan evaluate old footage of the Theisman injury, and see if he would send him back in?

[QUOTE=Evilgrin;987084]I'd like to have Shanahan evaluate old footage of the Theisman injury, and see if he would send him back in?[/QUOTE]

Only if Joe T screamed he was ok. Lol. Gotta trust your players. ;)
Edit: thinking about Monty Python when the guy has all four limbs hacked off and is saying "its just a flesh wound". Lol.

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The article i'm about to link is crap, in my opinion (Ried does what he always does and exaggerates and is overly dramatic to try to make a point), but there is some insight into shanahan's thought process, from a private interview with Jason Reid:

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/mike-shahahan-faced-with-biggest-decisions-failed-redskins-robert-griffin-iii/2013/01/07/826b9c72-592a-11e2-9fa9-5fbdc9530eb9_story.html]Mike Shanahan, faced with biggest decisions, failed Redskins, Robert Griffin III - The Washington Post[/url]

[QUOTE]Shanahan would say he didn’t err. In fact, after speaking privately with Shanahan in his office Monday, I left convinced that, if Shanahan could do it all over again, he wouldn’t change a thing.

“I completely trust Robert,” Shanahan told me. “He has proved it to me.”

During our conversation, Shanahan revealed he planned to remove Griffin, who appeared slow to Shanahan while running out of bounds, in the second quarter of Washington’s Week 16 victory over Philadelphia.

“He told me was fine,” Shanahan said, recalling the conversation. “And he lasted the whole game.”

[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;987105]The article i'm about to link is crap, in my opinion (Ried does what he always does and exaggerates and is overly dramatic to try to make a point), but there is some insight into shanahan's thought process, from a private interview with Jason Reid:

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/mike-shahahan-faced-with-biggest-decisions-failed-redskins-robert-griffin-iii/2013/01/07/826b9c72-592a-11e2-9fa9-5fbdc9530eb9_story.html]Mike Shanahan, faced with biggest decisions, failed Redskins, Robert Griffin III - The Washington Post[/url][/QUOTE]

What do you think he is exaggerating about?

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it kinda sucks that the WaPo skins beat writer is a cowboys fan. qtf.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;987105]The article i'm about to link is crap, in my opinion (Ried does what he always does and exaggerates and is overly dramatic to try to make a point), but there is some insight into shanahan's thought process, from a private interview with Jason Reid:

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/mike-shahahan-faced-with-biggest-decisions-failed-redskins-robert-griffin-iii/2013/01/07/826b9c72-592a-11e2-9fa9-5fbdc9530eb9_story.html]Mike Shanahan, faced with biggest decisions, failed Redskins, Robert Griffin III - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

A lot of people feel Mike Shanahan sacrificed the franchise by allowing RG3 to continue to play. But what folks don't realize is if he had pulled Griffin, the player mainly responsible for getting the Redskins as far as they got, then that decision would have alienated Griffin from Shanahan and Shanahan would have lost Griffin's trust with the risk of losing the entire locker room. I think Mike Shanahan will only repeat a decision like this one during a playoff game only when the season is on the line and allow RG3 to keep playing.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;989903]A lot of people feel Mike Shanahan sacrificed the franchise by allowing RG3 to continue to play. But what folks don't realize is if he had pulled Griffin, the player mainly responsible for getting the Redskins as far as they got, then that decision would have alienated Griffin from Shanahan and Shanahan would have lost Griffin's trust with the risk of losing the entire locker room. I think Mike Shanahan will only repeat a decision like this one during a playoff game only when the season is on the line and allow RG3 to keep playing.[/quote]

Would a responsible parent care about upsetting or "alienating" his kid because he tells him he's not allowed to go outside to play because he's sick?

Mike dropped the ball on this one and should have been the responsible "parent", especially dealing with a 22 year old kid who thinks he's invincible.

Shanahan let his ego get the best of him(yes,Mike has one) and has not been in a winning position like this in a while. He wanted to win at all costs even if it meant running his shiny toy into the ground.