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[quote=SmootSmack;991943]Historically speaking I don't think any team has had more gay players than the Redskins[/quote]

This is now how I imagine the redskins locker room.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF_eVnfHrTg]Oz - Prison Showers - YouTube[/ame]

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[quote=mbedner3420;992064]This is now how I imagine the redskins locker room.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF_eVnfHrTg"]Oz - Prison Showers - YouTube[/URL][/quote]

That's obviously wishful thinking on your part.

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I think I'm going to have a parade and a rally and a coming out announcement every time I doink my wife.

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[quote=Mattyk;992057]I always wondered why guys have no problems slapping other guys on the butt in sports. Or for anyone who has been involved in any sort of hazing, usually some sort of nudity is involved. All in all a lot of "interesting" behavior is the norm in sports.[/quote]

Shoot, in football one guy (the QB) sticks his hands on the underparts of another dude (the C) awaiting the snap of the ball.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;992069]I think I'm going to have a parade and a rally and a coming out announcement every time I doink my wife.[/quote]

So your going to have a parade sometime in 2014?

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[quote=Lotus;992071]Shoot, in football one guy (the QB) sticks his hands on the underparts of another dude (the C) awaiting the snap of the ball.[/quote]

Now I know what inspired the Dallas Shotgun, Staubach was gay and the center said he aint putting his hands down there!

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[quote=RedskinRat;992068]That's obviously wishful thinking on your part.[/quote]

Hahaha

Multitalented athletes that spontaneously break out into choreographed song and dance? Sure I'd be comfortable with then representing our city! Why not?

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Let's lighten the mood with some classic Greaseman videos:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSXdTCgQLrk]"Butt Cheek Bandit" The Greaseman Deviant Report #29 on GetALife.TV - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eVJVZkGn-0]The Greaseman - Doo Dads on your Chin - YouTube[/ame]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;992002]Further, from basic human physiology, there is nothing abnormal about it. Some folks are vegitarians, some aren't. Each satisfies a particular physiological appetite (hunger) differently. Neither is "abnormal". Most guys satisfy their physiological appetite for sex with women, some with men and some with either. [/quote]

You and I basically agree on this with a subtle difference. I tend to think nature should rule. And I think homosexuality is essentially an unnatural thing. But why should I or anyone care? I don't think less of people who don't eat meat although I believe humans are meant to eat balanced meals including meat. And I don't think less of homosexuals. I think less of people who do something to actually harm society...like bigots who try and stop people from being who they want to be.

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[quote=Mattyk;992006]It comes down to homophobia and insecurity, simple as that.

As a straight guy if I was in a locker room and a gay guy caught a shot of my ween, why the F would I care if I'm totally secure with myself and have zero interest in that? Homophobes I'm tellin' ya.[/quote]

Yeah I agree.

Curious observation...it doesn't strike anyone as odd that we segregate men's and woman's locker rooms though. The fact that women don't want men ogling them in their locker room is considered totally normal. Not sure how to rationalize that.

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[quote=Mattyk;992010]I think it's a bigger issue than a guy not wanting to shower or be nude near a gay guy. Some people still cannot accept homosexuality, period.[/quote]

Right...would these same people care if some hot chick was in the locker room checking him out?

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So if there were lesbians in the locker room would they just get bored and leave?

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I don't care either way. But gay players will have to expect some discrimination.

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I feel it's no one else place to tell anyone how to live their lives. People can be who they want to be and no one, I mean no one, has a right to tell them they can't. Those who are against homosexuality can disapprove of that lifestyle all they want, but it's senseless and pointless to disapprove because at the end of the day they really are powerless to change it. If someone is gay, lesbian, transgender, likes transsexuals or whatever, why get upset about it? You have to live your own life and they have to live their own life. As human beings, we have to learn to respect people.

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[quote=SirLK26;992084]I don't care either way. But gay players will have to expect some discrimination.[/quote]

Here's the way I see it. The locker room is not a place for PC, and us testosterone filled guys together tend to not be the most sensitive collection of people. So, if a gay guy is OK with dealing with that fact, then I see no problem. Once I think he starts complaining about it, I think it upsets the locker room.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;992085]I feel it's no one else place to tell anyone how to live their lives. People can be who they want to be and no one, I mean no one, has a right to tell them they can't. Those who are against homosexuality can disapprove of that lifestyle all they want, but it's senseless and pointless to disapprove because at the end of the day they really are powerless to change it. If someone is gay, lesbian, transgender, likes transsexuals or whatever, why get upset about it? You have to live your own life and they have to live their own life. As human beings, we have to learn to respect people.[/quote]

I think this is a great post, although i do think you need to allow for the possibility that someone can disapprove of something, but not feel the need to try to impose his/her opinion on others.

There are things people do that i disapprove of. I'm sure there are things that I do that others disapprove of. But i'm not going to go and tell someone they dont have [I]the right [/I]to do something, and i'd expect them to show me the same courtesy.

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It's their own choice. Choices have consequences. If they just show up to work and don't advertise to get attention for being gay, it won't cause any problems with the team. If they can't keep it on the back burner, they're just asking for issues both in the locker room and on the employment front, not because they're gay specifically, but because they can cause distractions. A lot of teams try to avoid players with personality problems or legal issues because of the affect it could have on the team. Mike Vick is a prime example. Some teams do not want a media circus and a controversial issue splitting the team in half. This is no different.

And before someone decides to accuse me of something I'm NOT saying...I am not equating homosexuality to crime, but the media's attention if a player were to "come out would have absolutely no benefit on the team and would probably have negative effects on the player's career.

I'm sure there are a few gay players, but if they want to just play football without it being an issue or causing them problems, they keep it to themselves. It's the same scenario with gays in the military. In the end, the men will stick together and not care about it when in the heat of battle, but at other times, it can make some men uncomfortable and that slight lapse in focus could be dealy in in war, or in football could just hurt the team.

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[quote=Lotus;992071]Shoot, in football one guy (the QB) sticks his hands on the underparts of another dude (the C) awaiting the snap of the ball.[/quote]

I played center in high school, I mostly blacked it all out.

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[quote=FRPLG;992079]You and I basically agree on this with a subtle difference. [B]I tend to think nature should rule. And I think homosexuality is essentially an unnatural thing.[/B] But why should I or anyone care? I don't think less of people who don't eat meat although I believe humans are meant to eat balanced meals including meat. And I don't think less of homosexuals. I think less of people who do something to actually harm society...like bigots who try and stop people from being who they want to be.[/quote]

How so if there are numerous examples of homosexual behavior in the animal world?

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[quote=Mattyk;992100]How so if there are numerous examples of homosexual behavior in the animal world?[/quote]

I mean it's like people never watched the Parks 'n Rec episode where the penguins got married

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Parks 'n Rec is a great show. Also this thread has completely gone off topic from the NFL

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[quote=Mattyk;992100]How so if there are numerous examples of homosexual behavior in the animal world?[/quote]

I hate that argument. It seems to be equating actual human beings with animals.

Animals will act like animals. If they want sex, they'll take it where they can find it. This is why your dog humps your leg.

I'm not a fan of the choice of homosexuality by any means, but don't degrade them by comparing them to animals who don't have the brain capacity to make decisions like humans, they act on instincts.

You're not going to see flamboyant frogs or crossdressing crocodiles in nature. Many gays do choose to have a different lifestyle in terms of sex, they way they dress, behave, and generally live life. But, unlike the animals you cite, they have the brain capacity to know what they're doing.

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who cares? if your a homophobe... keep it to yourself.

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[quote=Mattyk;992100]How so if there are numerous examples of homosexual behavior in the animal world?[/quote]

I knew that would elicit some type of counter-argument or question. I believe sexual activity is nature's tool meant to do one thing: procreate. So when I saw "nature" that is the context of my statement. But I don't believe anyone/thing is bound by the law of nature to obey this nor do I think anyone/thing is bound by any responsibility to adhere and procreate. Hey...do what you want...doesn't affect me. Like Louie CK says..."it's not like people are gay AT you". I could not care less is people are gay and I DO care greatly that there seems to be a curiously accepted line of thinking that it should be OK for football locker rooms to discriminate. At one point in time, not too long ago, it was "normal" to not want black athletes in the same locker room. Just because it was normal doesn't mean it was right.

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[quote=donofriose;992106]Parks 'n Rec is a great show. Also this thread has completely gone off topic from the NFL[/quote]

Yep, I think it has petered out.

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[quote=Monkeydad;992107]I hate that argument. It seems to be equating actual human beings with animals.

Animals will act like animals. If they want sex, they'll take it where they can find it. This is why your dog humps your leg.

I'm not a fan of the choice of homosexuality by any means, but don't degrade them by comparing them to animals who don't have the brain capacity to make decisions like humans, they act on instincts.

You're not going to see flamboyant frogs or crossdressing crocodiles in nature. Many gays do choose to have a different lifestyle in terms of sex, they way they dress, behave, and generally live life. But, unlike the animals you cite, they have the brain capacity to know what they're doing.[/quote]
Newsflash...we're all animals. Humans may have rational thinking but we're all essentially just trying to survive. Humans just are more able to comfortably survive because of our enhanced intelligence.

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[quote=Monkeydad;992107]I hate that argument. It seems to be equating actual human beings with animals.

Animals will act like animals. If they want sex, they'll take it where they can find it. This is why your dog humps your leg.

I'm not a fan of the choice of homosexuality by any means, but don't degrade them by comparing them to animals who don't have the brain capacity to make decisions like humans, they act on instincts.

You're not going to see flamboyant frogs or crossdressing crocodiles in nature. Many gays do choose to have a different lifestyle in terms of sex, they way they dress, behave, and generally live life. But, unlike the animals you cite, they have the brain capacity to know what they're doing.[/quote]

I think it's a valid point, how can something be considered unnatural if it's prevelant behavior in nature itself? Relax, I'm not comparing people to animals, I'm just addressing the so called natural aspect of it.

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[quote=Monkeydad;992107]I hate that argument. It seems to be equating actual human beings with animals.

Animals will act like animals. If they want sex, they'll take it where they can find it. This is why your dog humps your leg.

I'm not a fan of the choice of homosexuality by any means, but don't degrade them by comparing them to animals who don't have the brain capacity to make decisions like humans, they act on instincts.

You're not going to see flamboyant frogs or crossdressing crocodiles in nature. Many gays do choose to have a different lifestyle in terms of sex, they way they dress, behave, and generally live life. But, unlike the animals you cite, they have the brain capacity to know what they're doing.[/quote]

People are animals... in fact in my opinion people are often worst than animals. I know plenty of people that act like "animals" when it comes to sex and will hump anything that moves. People aren't that much better than animals.

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[quote=Mattyk;992115]I think it's a valid point, how can something be considered unnatural if it's prevelant behavior in nature itself? Relax, I'm not comparing people to animals, I'm just addressing the so called natural aspect of it.[/quote]

What's prevalent is heterosexuality not vice-versa. But it does exist.

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[quote=FRPLG;992109]I knew that would elicit some type of counter-argument or question. I believe sexual activity is nature's tool meant to do one thing: procreate. So when I saw "nature" that is the context of my statement. But I don't believe anyone/thing is bound by the law of nature to obey this nor do I think anyone/thing is bound by any responsibility to adhere and procreate. Hey...do what you want...doesn't affect me. Like Louie CK says..."it's not like people are gay AT you". I could not care less is people are gay and I DO care greatly that there seems to be a curiously accepted line of thinking that it should be OK for football locker rooms to discriminate. At one point in time, not too long ago, it was "normal" to not want black athletes in the same locker room. Just because it was normal doesn't mean it was right.[/quote]

Ok, I see what you're saying now. Agree with the rest of your post as well.

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I actually think what I'll graciously call "counter-arguments" in this thread have been addressed enough. Time for this baby to die a thread death.

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[quote=Monkeydad;992107]I hate that argument[B]. It seems to be equating actual human beings with animals.[/B]

[B]Animals will act like animals. If they want sex, they'll take it where they can find it. This is why your dog humps your leg.[/B]

I'm not a fan of the choice of homosexuality by any means, but don't degrade them by comparing them to animals who don't have the brain capacity to make decisions like humans, they act on instincts.

You're not going to see flamboyant frogs or crossdressing crocodiles in nature. Many gays do choose to have a different lifestyle in terms of sex, they way they dress, behave, and generally live life. But, unlike the animals you cite, they have the brain capacity to know what they're doing.[/quote]


Its funny you guys are talkig about animals and you go by "Monkeydad".

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[quote=SmootSmack;992105]I mean it's like people never watched the Parks 'n Rec episode where the penguins got married[/quote]

lol, thats where this thread has gone?


God, the things id do with Aubrey Plaza and Rashida Jones

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[quote=Monkeydad;992107]I hate that argument. It seems to be equating actual human beings with animals.

Animals will act like animals. If they want sex, they'll take it where they can find it. This is why your dog humps your leg.

I'm not a fan of the choice of homosexuality by any means, but don't degrade them by comparing them to animals who don't have the brain capacity to make decisions like humans, they act on instincts.

[B]You're not going to see flamboyant frogs or crossdressing crocodiles in nature.[/B] Many gays do choose to have a different lifestyle in terms of sex, they way they dress, behave, and generally live life. But, unlike the animals you cite, they have the brain capacity to know what they're doing.[/quote]

Funniest post of 2013, but it's early days yet.

Bigotry paired with stupidity is fabulous!

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If a peacock was gay, could you tell?

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[quote=FRPLG;992122]I actually think what I'll graciously call "counter-arguments" in this thread have been addressed enough. Time for this baby to die a thread death.[/quote]

I don't think the point of thread, at least in my mind, was about pros and cons, or any particular argument, but just to get it out in the open. Just a discussion for people to say how they "feel".

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[quote=FRPLG;992112]Newsflash...[B]we're all animals[/B]. Humans may have rational thinking but we're all essentially just trying to survive. Humans just are more able to comfortably survive because of our enhanced intelligence.[/quote]

Some animals eat ther partner after intercourse but I find that rather nasty.

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As Matty said...


[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior]List of animals displaying homosexual behavior - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]


It's not just unique to our species.

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[quote=firstdown;992136]Some animals eat ther partner after intercourse but I find that rather nasty.[/quote]

Some people have sex with their dead... I do not find that appealing either.

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[quote=RedskinRat;992129]Funniest post of 2013, but it's early days yet.

Bigotry paired with stupidity is fabulous![/quote]

You made fun of him you will now be called a stalker. Join the club it is good fun teasing MD.