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HTTR24-7.com ‏@HTTR24_7
Think Kory's 5 year deal voids to 2 years.

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Sweet!

So could there be a move with Chester to move JL to his spot? I would think this it would be this year or next, now that we have LT, LG, and C locked up for the next 2-3 years.

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[quote=12thMan;997159]Heaing un-likely to sign Lorenzo Alexander and London Fletcher may be headed to FA. #rumor[/quote]

Alex Marvez ‏@alexmarvez
My error on London Fletcher. He is NOT set to become a UFA. Will fix in my FOX story. Again, my fault.

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[quote=Mattyk;997175]HTTR24-7.com ‏@HTTR24_7
Think Kory's 5 year deal voids to 2 years.[/quote]

Here is pft's story on it: [url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/09/redskins-stike-deal-with-lichtensteiger/]Redskins stike deal with Lichtensteiger | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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Really don't understand why fans get so crazy over Lorenzo. I like the guy a lot, he's a good dude, but at the end of the day he's really just a glorified special teams player. He's never really stood out at any of the other positions he's played at.

Good to have for a multipurpose player in case of injury and we need someone to step in that moment, but the thought that he could go somewhere and be this starting LB or anything else is absurd.

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What is the deal with these 5 yr deals that void after two? Morgan's deal is up after this year, and I am surprised we didn't extend his to give us some more space. He signed a contract that was similar as have multiple other players.

This is new after the CBA deal.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;997180]What is the deal with these 5 yr deals that void after two? Morgan's deal is up after this year, and I am surprised we didn't extend his to give us some more space. He signed a contract that was similar as have multiple other players.

This is new after the CBA deal.[/quote]

With the direction this team is going to, I don't think Morgan or Redskins would want to void the 3rd year.

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[quote=InsaneBoost;997179]Really don't understand why fans get so crazy over Lorenzo. I like the guy a lot, he's a good dude, but at the end of the day he's really just a glorified special teams player. He's never really stood out at any of the other positions he's played at.

Good to have for a multipurpose player in case of injury and we need someone to step in that moment, but the thought that he could go somewhere and be this starting LB or anything else is absurd.[/quote]

I agree. He's a special teams player, stop worrying... He'll come around.

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[quote=InsaneBoost;997179]Really don't understand why fans get so crazy over Lorenzo. I like the guy a lot, he's a good dude, but at the end of the day he's really just a glorified special teams player. He's never really stood out at any of the other positions he's played at.

Good to have for a multipurpose player in case of injury and we need someone to step in that moment, but the thought that he could go somewhere and be this starting LB or anything else is absurd.[/quote]

Because he has paid his dues for the Redskins, he's done everything he's been asked to do. A consummate professional, he's the best ST player in the NFL who doesn't return balls but will kick your ass every time. ST play just like offense and defense is a very important of a football team (ask George Allen). The Redskin would be foolish to let him walk, plus he's always been one of my favorite Redskins also.

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I agree he has paid his dues and in a normal year I am sure the team would reward him, but he is 30 and is looking to make the most he can now. He has said as much on FB and twitter.

I get it, if he can get something better he deserves it. He is vesitile and has proven a solid depth player, but I don't think he is an every down player. We need every dollar we can get to sure up the secondary, and if we have to lose Zo so be it just count him as another casualty of the AH contract.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;997185]I agree he has paid his dues and in a normal year I am sure the team would reward him, but he is 30 and is looking to make the most he can now. He has said as much on FB and twitter.

I get it, if he can get something better he deserves it. He is vesitile and has proven a solid depth player, but I don't think he is an every down player. We need every dollar we can get to sure up the secondary, and if we have to lose Zo so be it just count him as another casualty of the AH contract.[/quote]

And if Fletcher retires or doesn't come back who will backup Robinson or start in Fletcher's place? Alexander is needed.

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Interior line. Chester, Monty, and Kory.

[url]https://twitter.com/chesterchris66/status/310611009612156928/photo/1[/url]

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[quote=12thMan;997187]Interior line. Chester, Monty, and Kory.

[url]https://twitter.com/chesterchris66/status/310611009612156928/photo/1[/url][/quote]

you recognize that bar?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;997186]And if Fletcher retires or doesn't come back who will backup Robinson or start in Fletcher's place? Alexander is needed.[/quote]

So I guess Perry Riley isn't on our team anymore??

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;997189]So I guess Perry Riley isn't on our team anymore??[/quote]

Didn't he start next to Fletcher?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;997190]Didn't he start next to Fletcher?[/quote]

Yes, and if Fletch leaves he takes Fletch's spot and Robinson takes his or vice-versa. Lets not act like Lorenzo Alexander is some integral cog in the Redskins machine. He is a great ST player and a great role player and I would like to have him back as much as the nest guy but if he goes elsewhere I am not gonna cry about it.

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So @TMM75 said that EJ Biggers and Jacob Lacey are also on our radar.

EJ Biggers rated higher than most starting CBs last year such as Leon Hall, Joe Haden and Brandon Browner. According to PFF

I read somewhere else that Bradley Fletcher and Keenan Lewis could be names in play for us.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;997191]Yes, and if Fletch leaves he takes Fletch's spot and Robinson takes his or vice-versa. Lets not act like Lorenzo Alexander is some integral cog in the Redskins machine. He is a great ST player and a great role player and I would like to have him back as much as the nest guy but if he goes elsewhere I am not gonna cry about it.[/quote]

And who will be the backup? You lose Fletcher and Alexander and you have huge hole. Pay the guy and tell him they'll make it up to him next year when there will be lots of money. You under estimate Alexander, him and Paul make a deadly pair of hitters on ST and is a pretty good backup.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;997193]And who will be the backup? You lose Fletcher and Alexander and you have huge hole. Pay the guy and tell him they'll make it up to him next year when there will be lots of money. You under estimate Alexander, him and Paul make a deadly pair of hitters on ST and is a pretty good backup.[/quote]

That is what the draft and FA is for.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;997194]That is what the draft and FA is for.[/quote]

Yeah and you think a mid rounder can fill Alexander's shoes? Hell, even Robinson isn't even up to speed and is coming back from a torn pec muscle. FA? You resign Alexander who already knows the system.

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Fletcher is coming back.

If he goes down we will have 2 at minimum back up MLBs. Robison being one who I have read on the site that people seem to think is a starter and a player to be named later. On defense, not ST, he is replaceable.

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Yup all signs point to Fletcher coming back, not much to worry about there. I thought that was kinda old news already?

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Sorry guys, I'll disagree. Alexander is more important than you think.

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;997198]Sorry guys, I'll disagree. Alexander is more important than you think.[/QUOTE]

I agree

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Just remember how we got Lorenzo, as an undrafted DT who wore 79 out of cal but hustled and would play and do anything to get onto the field (made that tackle in the preseason w/ his helmet off if you remember that).

Sure he just went to a pro bowl, but let me give you a list of previous pro bowlers and what happened later on in the next season(s)

2013
Lorenzo Alexander, Matthew Slater: TBD; Slater made his 2nd straight pro bowl.

2012
Matthew Slater, Corey Graham
Corey left in free agency and went on to play for the Ravens, injuries led to him starting and he came up huge for the team in the playoffs picking manning off twice, 1 for a TD

2011
Montell Owens, Eric Weems
Montell shined in the couple of weeks he started for jax this past season, but hasn't done anything special for the jags. Weems left atlanta for Chicago and hasn't done anything relevant since.

2010
Kaseem Osgood, Heath Farwell
Osgood has been on numerous pro bowl teams, left san diego to sign a contract w/ Jax and was later cut, because he was a high paid STer. Farwell hasn't been to a pro bowl since.

2009
Sean Morey, Brendan Ayanbadejo
Ayenbadejo made his 3rd pro bowl (1st w/ his then new team the Ravens)

2008
Osgood, Ayanbadejo

2007
Osgood, Ayanbadejo

2006
Hanik Milligan, David Tyree
Milligan made the pro bowl before Osgood did in San Diego, so was it really that these guys were great or did it have to do with San Diego being a great and popular team that these guys got the recognition (as did a lot of these other guys on this list)? Tyree was a good STer, and he had one of the best plays we'll ever see in a super bowl. After that play, what else did he do for the rest of his career? Nothing because he couldn't find work, then he retired.

2005
Larry Izzo, Ike Reese
Larry Izzo made 3 pro bowls in his career and was a good ST player. Ike Reese made 1 pro bowl, left to sign a 4 year deal w/ atlanta for about $5 million. Ike Reese is similar to alexander in terms of being a captain and a free agent LB Special Teamer who is coming off of his first pro bowl. Larry Izzo is similar to alexander in terms of being undrafted, under sized, hard working, but New England didn't win all those super bowls because of a special teamer. Ike Reese could be our closest comparison to Lorenzo, a 1 time pro bowl STer who is a free agent looking for ''big money,'' only to get that ''big'' money from another team and getting cut 2 years later.


Summary

If Lorenzo wants to go, I won't be sad, because honestly the special teams pro bowl award is kind of stupid, because it tends to go to the most popular/hottest winning team's ST player. Is Reed Doughty a ST leader in the waiting? Possibly. I've mentioned that many of these guys are hard workers, so look for the guys who are hard workers. Heres one for the draft; AJ Klein. Another? Mike Mauti. We're not letting go of the next Steve Tasker ok. We're letting go of a team captain who can be replaced. Do we want to replace a team captain? No, but if you really are a team leader and you realize your a special teams player and your team which showed that they wanted you when no one else didn't and gave you a chance, is tied down with heavy cap penalties, you would stay with that team, assuming you really are a team captain--team player--and not a 'me for the money' player.

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Lichtensteiger reaches five-year deal with Redskins | News | NFL.com
[url=http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000149196/lichtensteiger-reaches-fiveyear-deal-with-redskins/]Lichtensteiger reaches five-year deal with Redskins | News | NFL.com[/url]

with Alexander, I think if he wants to test FA that's fine. He's been a great Redskin and I hate to see him go, but that's what scouts get paid to find--the late round / undrafted hungry ballers.

Lets keep in mind that the Skins gave him every opportunity to hang around, how many teams would cut him when it was clear he wasn't going to become a starter on the line? or at the next spot? or the next?

It seems like a case to me where if he stays great, if not its a chance for the next guy to shine.

[QUOTE=Redskin Warrior;997202]Lichtensteiger reaches five-year deal with Redskins | News | NFL.com
[url=http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000149196/lichtensteiger-reaches-fiveyear-deal-with-redskins/]Lichtensteiger reaches five-year deal with Redskins | News | NFL.com[/url][/QUOTE]

5 years seems awful long. hope the length makes the cap hit super friendly.

[QUOTE=mbedner3420;997183]I agree. He's a special teams player, stop worrying... He'll come around.[/QUOTE]

I'd like to have him back but I don't think it is vital or that we should overpay for his services.

I agree with you & think he will test the waters & find out that he isn't going to garner much interest. In the end he will sign for three more years with a slight pay increase.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;997195]Yeah and you think a mid rounder can fill Alexander's shoes? Hell, even Robinson isn't even up to speed and is coming back from a torn pec muscle. FA? You resign Alexander who already knows the system.[/quote]

Yes, I do think a mid-rounder could fill his shoes. Simply knowing the system doesn't mean he should automatically be re-signed for whatever money he wants. Fletch is coming back but even if he wasn't I stand behind my statement. Alexander can go or he can stay.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;997202]Lichtensteiger reaches five-year deal with Redskins | News | NFL.com
[URL="http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000149196/lichtensteiger-reaches-fiveyear-deal-with-redskins/"]Lichtensteiger reaches five-year deal with Redskins | News | NFL.com[/URL][/quote]
I thing this is great news ! Lets our 2 rookies and M. Hurt get alot of work at a few positions ( LG, C, RG and T ) .

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;997206]5 years seems awful long. hope the length makes the cap hit super friendly.[/quote]

5 yr/14 mil for our starting LG is pretty cap friendly IMO.

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[quote=budw38;997210]I thing this is great news ! Lets our 2 rookies and M. Hurt get alot of work at a few positions ( LG, C, RG and T ) .[/quote]

2 rookies? The draft hasn't happened yet, man

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;997213][B]2 rookies[/B]? The draft hasn't happened yet, man[/quote]

I think he meant Lerib & Gettis.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;997214]I think he meant Lerib & Gettis.[/quote]
Yes , maybe I should have said rookies from last year :(

[QUOTE=artmonkforhallofamein07;997212]5 yr/14 mil for our starting LG is pretty cap friendly IMO.[/QUOTE]

I haven't seen any numbers, but that sounds like it would be in Schneeds projected range.

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I don't know which article I read that had those. Maybe I am wrong, but that seems (if those are in fact the #) fair to both the team and player.

from Rich_TandlerCSN

Maybe 65-35 in favor. Both want to get it done. RT @RackEmWillee: What about Fred Davis? Chance of seeing him back in burgundy and gold?

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;997219]from Rich_TandlerCSN

Maybe 65-35 in favor. Both want to get it done. RT @RackEmWillee: What about Fred Davis? Chance of seeing him back in burgundy and gold?[/QUOTE]

I hope they get the deal done. Davis can create havoc for defenses & open up the game for other players on offense.

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[quote=budw38;997216]Yes , maybe I should have said rookies from last year :([/quote]

The NEW year dosen't start till March 12th, so there still rookies.