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[quote=NC_Skins;1016987]Like I said, so did Sanchez. What are we going to be saying when his regular season stats aren't good enough to carry the team into the playoffs? I suspect that'll be happening this year.


Granted, I realize he's a much better QB than Sanchez in the regular season, just will people be saying the same once they stop missing the playoffs?[/quote]

Sanchez was never very good to begin with, Flacco has been very solid in the regular season and great in the playoffs. Not sure I really understand the comparison. Don't you think 5 playoff appearances in a row and a SB win buys Flacco some credit for a while? What else does the guy have to do?

I think most fans would be elated if Griffin puts up a similar run.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1016987]Like I said, so did Sanchez. What are we going to be saying when his regular season stats aren't good enough to carry the team into the playoffs? I suspect that'll be happening this year.


Granted, I realize he's a much better QB than Sanchez in the regular season, just will people be saying the same once they stop missing the playoffs?[/quote]

What is your deal with Joe Flacco? He's started every game for the Ravens since being drafted and they've been a playoff team every single year he's taken over. He brings stability and he can make all the throws. Sanchez is not in the same league as Flacco, and I don't care what the stats say. He doesn't play in a wide open offense so his stats probably will never be great. But he's a pretty damn good Qb.

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Joe Flacco is now 7-4 in the postseason with five road wins, tied for all-time best with Eli Manning and Roger Staubach. In his past six playoff games (four on the road) he has thrown 12 touchdown passes to just two interceptions.
Comparing to Sanchez is crazy.

Ravens still have a good offensive line and a good RB.
Ravens might not make it back to the Super Bowl, but teams that make it 2 years in a row is rare these days.

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[quote=mooby;1016973]Measurements won't matter if he can't catch, or run the right route, or even block.[/quote]

I have a bunch of Eagles fans as friends and family ( I know I know but they Re great people ). The word on this guys so far is very positive from the laymans who have been to camp. So tAke that as you will

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[quote=NC_Skins;1016983]Well, I guess Sanchez was a proven QB eh? Will you be saying the same thing once Flacco starts missing the playoffs?[/quote]


Come on NC you know comparing Sanchez to Flacco is not even comparable. The Jets really made those two playoff runs despite Sanchez.

Sanchez has more ints than tds in his career. He's rex grossman

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1016996]Sanchez has more ints than tds in his career. He's rex grossman[/quote]

Not sure who that is more of an insult to, Grossman or Sanchez.

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[quote=Skinzman;1016999]Not sure who that is more of an insult to, Grossman or Sanchez.[/quote]

Probably Grossman, even he is better than Sanchez. I would take him over Sanchez in a heartbeat.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1016994]Come on NC you know comparing Sanchez to Flacco is not even comparable. The Jets really made those two playoff runs despite Sanchez.[/quote]


[quote=Defensewins;1016991]Joe Flacco is now 7-4 in the postseason with five road wins, tied for all-time best with Eli Manning and Roger Staubach. In his past six playoff games (four on the road) he has thrown 12 touchdown passes to just two interceptions.
Comparing to Sanchez is crazy. [/quote]

[quote=skinsfan69;1016989]What is your deal with Joe Flacco? He's started every game for the Ravens since being drafted and they've been a playoff team every single year he's taken over. He brings stability and he can make all the throws. Sanchez is not in the same league as Flacco, and I don't care what the stats say. He doesn't play in a wide open offense so his stats probably will never be great. But he's a pretty damn good Qb.[/quote]



[quote=NC_Skins;1016987]Granted, I realize he's a much better QB than Sanchez in the regular season, just will people be saying the same once they stop missing the playoffs?[/quote]

I think you all missed exactly what I said. Othewise, you wouldn't be saying anything about comparing Flacco with Sanchez. I think I acknowledged Flacco is a much better QB. However, hist stats are average at best in the regular season, and YOU all keep harping about the post season. There is more to the game than just the post season. I understand many of you put a heavy weight on it, but it's laughable to do so. See Giantone's Eli is better than Peyton statement for a good example.

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SancMa00/gamelog/post/]Mark Sanchez Playoffs Game Log - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

Is this guy a good QB because his record is great in the playoffs and so are his stats? Hardly.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1016987]Like I said, so did Sanchez. What are we going to be saying when his regular season stats aren't good enough to carry the team into the playoffs? I suspect that'll be happening this year.


Granted, I realize he's a much better QB than Sanchez in the regular season, just will people be saying the same once they stop missing the playoffs?[/quote]

Do you think this year will mark a run of endless playoff-less seasons for Flacco and the Ravens?

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[quote=SmootSmack;1017002]Do you think this year will mark a run of endless playoff-less seasons for Flacco and the Ravens?[/quote]

I think they miss the playoffs this year. I thought last year was the last year of their window to consistently contend for a championship. They almost blew it getting into the playoffs. A run of missed playoffs? I think that depends on how well they draft the next year or so. Their defense is nothing like it used to be, and Flacco is really too inconsistent to carry the team. One minute, the guy looks like he's a elite QB in the league, the next minute he's blowing it against a shitty team like the Jaguars. Way too inconsistent for my liking, and losing talent isn't going to help them any. The one thing that helps them is that Pittsburgh is on its way down as well, and the Browns are.....the Browns.

I don't see Baltimore in the playoffs either. They lost 10 starters from last years team, that's going to be very hard and Pittsburgh won't be as bad and also Cincinnati is very good.

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I think the Ravens make the playoffs this year...says the guy who had them in the Super Bowl last year (or earlier this year if you insist)

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[quote=NC_Skins;1017004]I think they miss the playoffs this year. A run of missed playoffs?[B] I think that depends on how well they draft the next year or so. Their defense is nothing like it used to be,[/B] and Flacco is really too inconsistent to carry the team. One minute, the guy looks like he's a elite QB in the league, the next minute he's blowing it against a shitty team like the Jaguars. Way too inconsistent for my liking, and losing talent isn't going to help them any. The one thing that helps them is that Pittsburgh is on its way down as well, and the Browns are.....the Browns.[/quote]

You're doubting one of the best run franchises in the NFL. And IMO, they got better on Defense. Ed Reed isn't the same disruptive force he used to be. Matt Elam is a rookie but I thought he was hands down the best safety in the draft. I think he'll be as good, if not better, than Ed Reed was last year. MLB, yeah they lost Ray Lewis, but he had strictly become the voice of the team as opposed to the great player (and voice) he used to be (aka he slowed down and showed his age and became a liability in coverage, also got injured more). So they replaced him with young Fast and great coverage man Arthur Brown. On the field, they upgraded that position. Off the field, they didn't upgrade, but honestly no one would be an upgrade over Ray. And they got Ladarius Webb (who is a top 3 CB in the NFL when healthy) back from injury. They replaced Bernard Pollard with Michael Huff who is much better in coverage than Pollard was (injuring patriots though, he is not as good as him in that category).

And I haven't even mentioned that they got Dumervil to rush the passer, who right now, is a better pass rusher than Suggs, Upshaw, and the prior starter Paul Kruger.

I can see why you doubt Flacco for losing to a team like the Jaguars (whom they lost to 2 years ago not last year; you're probably thinking of the Chiefs game which they won 9-6), but even the elite QBs will get tested by very bad, losing teams. Hell Tom Brady got beat by Arizona ( and tested by Jacksonville last year; ditto Aaron Rodgers who got out played by Blaine Gabbert), and Drew Brees got beat by the Chiefs. I'd consider all those QBs elite.

They'll always have tough games against the Steelers, because that is their Redskins-Cowboys rivalry (no matter how good or bad the teams are, they always play each other close), and the Bengals are a very good team on the rise, but the Ravens are still the best team in the division with all their recent addtions and subtractions they've had. Sure they've lost Boldin--its a big loss-- but they draft well. One of their guys will step up. Sure they've lost Pitta for the year, but people don't realize that he and Ed Dickson would go back and forth in terms of starting; and Dickson is more atheltic than Pitta. They're OL will be better and they have a 1-2 punch in the ground game with Pierce and Rice.

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They miss the playoffs. Elam will not be Ed Reed right away if at all, Webb is coming off 2 major knee surgeries so who to say that he will even be the same, there left tackle can't even practice because he is over weight, Dumervill had 11 sacks last year but only 4 came at critcal times and Ed Dickson is no Pitta. Also I think they brought in way to many free agents at one time to build any chemistry. Time will tell but I think it's the Bengals division this year.

Ravens will be a 9-10 win team again and right in the hunt for the division.

Seems that some can't wait for them to collapse, I just don't see it happening anytime soon.

Too good of an organization. You don't have that type of sustained success on accident.

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Also they were VERY lucky to make it by Denver.

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Ravens, Steelers, and Patriots are three teams that have been too successful to just say they are going to lose this year. Those three teams have been to almost all the super bowls since 2001 and all have won multiple super bowls since then. Until they actually start losing consistently and not due to a major injury, I do not think its very wise to bet against those three teams. I think its just hopeful hatred and jealousy of a successful organization.

The Ravens and Patriots will most likely have a better defense this year than they did last year, and the Steelers got younger on defense as well and got rid of some old pieces that weren't that good last year. Plus if Big Ben stays healthy (big if) they make the playoffs this year, and they probably would have made it last year if he hadn't gotten hurt.

I hope the Redskins join the class of these organizations because once you are there, everyone just hopes you lose and they try to find reasons you won't be successful but you just keep racking up the wins. But I personally believe it all depends on RG3's knee.

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[quote=chewman;1017009]They miss the playoffs. Elam will not be Ed Reed right away if at all, Webb is coming off 2 major knee surgeries so who to say that he will even be the same, there left tackle can't even practice because he is over weight, Dumervill had 11 sacks last year but only 4 came at critcal times and Ed Dickson is no Pitta. Also I think they brought in way to many free agents at one time to build any chemistry. Time will tell but I think it's the Bengals division this year.[/quote]

Early reports on Webb is that he's looking better than he did before. Elam being better than what Reed was last year was a prediction of mine, not a know fact. McKinnie is always overweight yet always ends up as their starting tackle and doing well.

What is this ''only 4 came at critical times'' stuff? So JJ Watt had 20.5 sacks last year, but only a few of his sacks came at critical times, so now he's not a good player?!? Orakpo had 4.5 sacks against the Raiders his rookie year, but I guess that doesn't matter or get counted or add to his credibility of being a very good, pro bowl caliber player because it came against a bad team...

And Ed Dickson started more games (11) than Pitta (5) last year. He also played in less games (13) than Pitta (16). Why is Ed Dickson starting more than Pitta if he is "no Pitta".

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[quote=Mattyk;1017011]Ravens will be a 9-10 win team again and right in the hunt for the division.

Seems that some can't wait for them to collapse, I just don't see it happening anytime soon.

Too good of an organization. You don't have that type of sustained success on accident.[/quote]


I've thought the Ravens have been a contender for the past 5 years so I wouldn't consider my opinion about this year as a "can't wait for them to collapse." The only team I feel that way about is the Patriots, and that's only to wipe the smug looks of their faces and their fans.

I have no problems with the Ravens. They are a well run organization, and they have a very good coach in Harbaugh. That said, I still think this will be a down year until they can recoup some talent on the defensive and offensive side of the ball.

Also, I don't think Flacco is a bad QB, just a overrated one due to his playoff performances. I think he's a slightly above average QB who's inconsistent.

I don't hate or dislike Baltimore but I just think Cincinnati and pitt are going to be slightly better. And Cleveland will be improved I believe as well so overall it's a tougher division

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[quote=Mattyk;1016988]Sanchez was never very good to begin with, Flacco has been very solid in the regular season and great in the playoffs. Not sure I really understand the comparison. Don't you think 5 playoff appearances in a row and a SB win buys Flacco some credit for a while? What else does the guy have to do?

I think most fans would be elated if Griffin puts up a similar run.[/quote]

Not if he plays like Flacco. I think saying he played "great" is over-stating it. I really don't think he Is special. He certainly hasn't shown anything to make me think he can carry an offense like Rodgers/Manning/Brady/Brees/Rothlisberger. I distinctly remember having serious discussions around new years about how Flacco might not be the answer at QB for them. They believed it. He's played ok to good in general and got hot in the playoffs. That's it. He does int more and I'll change my tune.

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[quote=Mattyk;1017011]Ravens will be a 9-10 win team again and right in the hunt for the division.

Seems that some can't wait for them to collapse, I just don't see it happening anytime soon.

Too good of an organization. You don't have that type of sustained success on accident.[/quote]

Yeah I agree here.

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[quote=FRPLG;1017018][B]Not if he plays like Flacco.[/B] I think saying he played "great" is over-stating it. I really don't think he Is special. He certainly hasn't shown anything to make me think he can carry an offense like Rodgers/Manning/Brady/Brees/Rothlisberger. I distinctly remember having serious discussions around new years about how Flacco might not be the answer at QB for them. They believed it. He's played ok to good in general and got hot in the playoffs. That's it. He does int more and I'll change my tune.[/quote]

Fans would really have a problem with Griffin putting up 3600-3800 yards passing and 20-25 TDs a year?

Man, tough crowd.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1017020]Fans would really have a problem with Griffin putting up 3600-3800 yards passing and 20-25 TDs a year?

Man, tough crowd.[/QUOTE]

It is just not about the stats. I have seen 95% of his games and he is just not a guy that makes you all warm and fuzzy that he can carry a team on his shoulders to victory.
Luck played a huge role in that SB season for the Ravens.
I would not be shocked if they falter this year.

lol the excuses against Flacco are hilarious

All the guy does is win and put up solid numbers and it's F him he sucks. Playoffs every year and a Lombardi trophy but yeah he sucks.

Gimme a break. The Flacco hater crowd lost all their credibility with me after last year. Now it's just strait hatin'.

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[quote=mredskins;1017021]It is just not about the stats. I have seen 95% of his games and he is just not a guy that makes you all warm and fuzzy that he can carry a team on his shoulders to victory.
Luck played a huge role in that SB season for the Ravens.
I would not be shocked if they falter this year.[/quote]

When does "luck" not play a role for any team in the post season?
Throwing 11 touchdowns with no picks in a postseason is an all time great performance and not just luck, not even manning could do that. He outplayed every quarterback he went against (including two that everyone agrees are two of the best to ever play) Plus you look at flaccos numbers and compare them to Brady, manning, and Big Bens numbers from their first 5 years playing and they are actually pretty comparible. (Not better but comparible).
I think you can also make a case every team that wins a Super Bowl needs luck on their side.
But of course only time will tell, but out of all the quarterbacks that got big contracts this year I would take flacco over all of them.

When people are playing the luck card you know they ain't got nothing.

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[quote=Mattyk;1017024]When people are playing the luck card you know they ain't got nothing.[/quote]



Really , so luck has nothing to do with anything football ?

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1017014]Early reports on Webb is that he's looking better than he did before. Elam being better than what Reed was last year was a prediction of mine, not a know fact. McKinnie is always overweight yet always ends up as their starting tackle and doing well.

What is this ''only 4 came at critical times'' stuff? So JJ Watt had 20.5 sacks last year, but only a few of his sacks came at critical times, so now he's not a good player?!? Orakpo had 4.5 sacks against the Raiders his rookie year, but I guess that doesn't matter or get counted or add to his credibility of being a very good, pro bowl caliber player because it came against a bad team...

And Ed Dickson started more games (11) than Pitta (5) last year. He also played in less games (13) than Pitta (16). Why is Ed Dickson starting more than Pitta if he is "no Pitta".[/quote]
Not sure were you saw the reports on Webb. From what I saw they said he is coming along. I believe on McKinnie that is why he was cut from the Vikings. Now he has money and a superbowl so where's the motivation?? Dickson vs Pitta you can think what you want but you will see. Was Dickson even in the playoffs? The sack thing honestly came from Charlie Casserly. Not sure how respected he is but that is what he said.

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[quote=Mattyk;1017022]lol the excuses against Flacco are hilarious

All the guy does is win and put up solid numbers and it's F him he sucks. Playoffs every year and a Lombardi trophy but yeah he sucks.

Gimme a break. The Flacco hater crowd lost all their credibility with me after last year. Now it's just strait hatin'.[/quote]

Ok would you trade Flacco for Robert?

Flacco is just not elite and yup I am HATER when it comes to him and the Ravens; BIG TIME!

If you lived here you be right on the Hate Boat blowing the whistle; trust me.

Ask JoeR or OTM they will tell you it sucks in Raven's country.

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[quote=mredskins;1017032]Ok would you trade Flacco for Robert?

Flacco is just not elite and yup I am HATER when it comes to him and the Ravens; BIG TIME!

If you lived here you be right on the Hate Boat blowing the whistle; trust me.

[/quote]

1) No

2) I'm a big time hater of Tom Brady, but that doesn't mean I don't think he's elite or one of the best to play the game. Flacco has gotten better each year and has outplayed QBs like Tom Brady (2 years now) or Peyton Maning. I understand you hate the Ravens, as do I when we play them, but they are a great well run franchise and we sorta shut up their fans this year with beating them..although them winning the SB didn't help.

3) I'm sure I would

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1017035]1) No

2) I'm a big time hater of Tom Brady, but that doesn't mean I don't think he's elite or one of the best to play the game. Flacco has gotten better each year and has outplayed QBs like Tom Brady (2 years now) or Peyton Maning. I understand you hate the Ravens, as do I when we play them, but they are a great well run franchise and we sorta shut up their fans this year with beating them..although them winning the SB didn't help.

3) I'm sure I would[/quote]

Great there are plenty of people to stroke their ego's out there. I still hate them and thing the entire team is crap.

I cheer just as hard for them to lose as the Skins to win. Perfect Sunday for me is a Skins win and a Ravens lost.

I don't have to respect anything about them or Flacco I am just Joe Nobody fan. AND yes they were very lucky to have won that SB.

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[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/good-natured-rex-ryan-takes-photo-jets-fan-002113095.html]Y! SPORTS[/url]

this is y i'm a rex ryan fan. He's just a all around nice dude

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Rex bringing the skinny this year.

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[quote=Mattyk;1017020]Fans would really have a problem with Griffin putting up 3600-3800 yards passing and 20-25 TDs a year?

Man, tough crowd.[/quote]

From Griffin yeah. I expect more. Look Who said he sucks? He's a top 10 QB. He isn't in the same class as the the elite guys though. He isn't.

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[url=http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/jets/mcknight_light_ZzwP1MaPcmxJsDv64vzxEP]Joe McKnight of New York Jets rounding into shape, says Mark Sanchez has been stoked by critical media - NYPOST.com[/url]

This may be the first time I've seen a player fail a physical because he's in too good of shape. A 3.3% body fat is crazy fit. Not very good though for prolonged periods of time.

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I have a little extra BF he can have.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1017038][URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/good-natured-rex-ryan-takes-photo-jets-fan-002113095.html"]Y! SPORTS[/URL]

this is y i'm a rex ryan fan. He's just a all around nice dude[/quote]


.......he's not a good head coach .

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[quote=Giantone;1017028]Really , so luck has nothing to do with anything football ?[/quote]

The Ravens SB win was more than just luck.

Luck is always a lame excuse in my book. Teams just don't luck out and win Super Bowls.