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[quote=Lotus;1022297]Good catch 53. That Filthy fan completely forgot about last year. I hope he enjoys watching us play on Super Bowl Sunday.[/quote]

I hope we all do buddy. :-)
I think CB59 may need some valium.

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You probably didn't read my [I][B]Entire[/B][/I] post.

Just making sure I keep the site balanced with optimism and pessimism.

I gotta keep being a negative nancy, it worked for us last year when I was posting my pessimism/realistic comments during our 7 game winning streak. I'm gonna continue to do it this year. A weekly negative nancy post.

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[url=http://mmqb.si.com/2013/09/05/kyle-shanahan-rg3-read-option/]Kyle Shanahan explains the secret to Washington's read-option success | The MMQB with Peter King[/url]

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1022310][B]The thing which keeps bothering me going into this game is that a lot of Skins fans (including myself) are overly confident. Some people are predicting an onslaught of points.[/B]

[B]Another thing that worries me about the Eagles is McCoy, Vick and DeSean Jackson. Those guys, we rarely play all 3 of them at once, because one of those guys is usually hurt. Well we get all 3 of them healthy at once. These 3 are very explosive. A rookie safety and injury riddled strong safety doesn't help stop those 3 players. [/B]

A lot of people have mentioned, and I'd have to agree, that McCoy in the zone read/stretch zone is going to be scary and tough to stop. He's already shifty and elusive as hell in a normal offense. I just have visions of McCoy in the open field and Rambo and him are 1 on 1 and McCoy just jukes the hell out of Rambo for a long TD run.

Vick has said that he feels like Chip Kelly has made him a better QB again by putting him in the pass happy offense. We shall see if he's playing like the Vick of old (2010, 2004) or the Vick of the past few years. Lets not forget, he can still run, and we don't fair well against Vick as a starter, history has shown.

Another side of this game to think about is the star player, RG3. He hasn't played in a game in 8 months. He hasn't taken a hit or sack in 8 months. He's going to be rusty to start off the game. His teammates haven't been catching passes with him under center 11 on 11, up until this past week when he was cleared to practice. Its going to be a matter of when will the rust come off? The first snap? The first series? first quarter? first game? I remember Tom Brady a few years ago coming off a torn ACL and he was clearly freaked out and not himself going against the Bills (ironically they were featuring their new up tempo offense as well).

The other thing we need to think about is the Zorn effect.
You're confused, by 'Zorn Effect', what I'm saying is the effect of having a new head coach with an unknown system. We think we know what Kelly is going to run in the NFL, but we still have no clue what he's going to call on certain downs. Just like Zorn other teams didn't know Zorn had the guts to call a draw on 4th and 2 from the 48. They didn't know Zorn would call trick plays on special teams. But like all new head coaches, they are figured out by about the midway point of the season when all teams have enough tape to figure out new coaches plays and tendencies. They problem is the we don't play our first game against Philly after week 8, we play them week 1. That is eerily concerning.

Whats to say the eagles don't start hot, RG3 is slightly rusty 2 series in and we start panicking early on forcing plays or stupid fumbles or penalties then the whole game we're playing catch up to a potentially explosive offense, while Phillys crap defense can play a bend but don't break approach with a 14-0 lead..

[COLOR=white](I'm just saying this to play the cautious side of things. I still think we win big)[/COLOR][/quote]

All good points. I expect Philly to score points and move the ball on us. I just expect us to score more. But this will be a close game. Count on it. But of course I hope I'm wrong.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1022336]You probably didn't read my [I][B]Entire[/B][/I] post.

Just making sure I keep the site balanced with optimism and pessimism.

I gotta keep being a negative nancy, it worked for us last year when I was posting my pessimism/realistic comments during our 7 game winning streak. I'm gonna continue to do it this year. A weekly negative nancy post.[/quote]

In the past you actively rooted for the Redskins to lose. That goes well beyond "negative nancy." That's Cowboys fan territory.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1022337][url=http://mmqb.si.com/2013/09/05/kyle-shanahan-rg3-read-option/]Kyle Shanahan explains the secret to Washington's read-option success | The MMQB with Peter King[/url][/quote]

Good stuff nice read.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1022336]You probably didn't read my [I][B]Entire[/B][/I] post.

Just making sure I keep the site balanced with optimism and pessimism.

I gotta keep being a negative nancy, it worked for us last year when I was posting my pessimism/realistic comments during our 7 game winning streak. I'm gonna continue to do it this year. A weekly negative nancy post.[/quote]

Whatever floats your boat. Do you think Patriot fans have a weekly negative post? Maybe this year they start.

Skins fans, I include my self, need to realize this is not the 2000-2010 Skins anymore. There is a quality staff (not just BA/MS, but across the board) and they are developing dynamic young talent. Negative nancy's will be lacking in material this year.

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After decrying Negative Nancy's, I will throw this out there. Expect fumbles this year. That was Griffin's biggest flaw, even if they usually bounced our way. Defenses will see that on tape, and attack him more now. Also, the handoff between him and the backs other than Morris, I remember Morris talking about how Griffin holds it so long, and early last preseason, there were quite a few fumbled exchanges.

I think it will take a couple games for those type issues to be resolved.

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Didn't we have enough negativity when the team actually sucked?

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[quote=calia;1022298]This pretty much says it all: [url=http://deadspin.com/why-your-team-sucks-2013-philadelphia-eagles-1250826152]Why Your Team Sucks 2013: Philadelphia Eagles[/url]

This made me laugh out loud: "Kelly is bringing the Blur Offense with him, and I imagine he'll be in for a rude awakening when he realizes that his offense is terrible and he won't have three straight FCS opponents to help his players warm up for the season. It's gonna be a real treat to watch the Eagles go three-and-out in 20 seconds, give up a 12-minute touchdown drive, and then go three and out in 20 seconds AGAIN. They're poised to lose the Time of Possession battle by a ratio of 1:5. I'm sure fans in Philly will be patient and reserved and give Kelly all the time he needs to work out the bugs in his FIRE HIM FIRE HIM NOW KILLLLL HIM!"[/quote]

Loved that part too.

"Also, owning DeSean Jackson is like volunteering to have your nipples removed."





Damn, those comments were AMAZING. This is exactly why I don't go into Philly any more. I took my son to a Monster Jam show at the Linc a few years ago and the Eagles fans were being belligerent to anyone with another team's gear on...at a family-oriented monster truck show with little kids everywhere. They're just trash.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1022350]Whatever floats your boat. Do you think Patriot fans have a weekly negative post? Maybe this year they start.

Skins fans, I include my self, need to realize this is not the 2000-2010 Skins anymore. There is a quality staff (not just BA/MS, but across the board) and they are developing dynamic young talent. Negative nancy's will be lacking in material this year.[/quote]

I think every fan board has a realistic fan on it whom other fans may think of or look at them as "negative Nancy's".

I think you got to have realistic/negative whatever you want to call them, fans on every board to 'pump the brakes' per say, for all the other overly optimistic fans. Because if its a loss, we all know it'll be an even bigger let down than usual for those very optimistic fans.

But I do agree we are turning the corner as a franchise, with drafting and Lockerroom leadership as well as better team play. But it doesn't matter if your an awful franchise or a Super Bowl winning franchise, upsets occur. It's the NFL, any given Sunday anything can happen.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1022310]
The other thing we need to think about is the Zorn effect.
You're confused, by 'Zorn Effect', what I'm saying is the effect of having a new head coach with an unknown system. We think we know what Kelly is going to run in the NFL, but we still have no clue what he's going to call on certain downs. Just like Zorn other teams didn't know Zorn had the guts to call a draw on 4th and 2 from the 48. They didn't know Zorn would call trick plays on special teams. But like all new head coaches, they are figured out by about the midway point of the season when all teams have enough tape to figure out new coaches plays and tendencies. They problem is the we don't play our first game against Philly after week 8, we play them week 1. That is eerily concerning.
[/quote]

You've thought about it too much.

Zorn actually had NFL experience as a very good starting QB and as a coordinator.

Kelly's coming in blind and arrogant. In fact, I only think he came to the NFL because he was afraid of NCAA violations. He's not ready and his offense is not going to work in the NFL.

Besides, the Giants will just slow him down by faking injuries.

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What does it matter if Redskins fans are overconfident? How is that a good point? If we lose, I really doubt Shanahan is going to come out and say "Well, the fans were way overconfident. That really hurt us"

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^ for fans sake, coaches don't care. Why would you even ask that?

Side note the eagles are imploding


ESPN NFL - Riley Cooper and Cary Williams, who was critical of WR for racial epithet, scuffle in practice

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[quote=SmootSmack;1022367]What does it matter if Redskins fans are overconfident? How is that a good point? If we lose, I really doubt Shanahan is going to come out and say "Well, the fans were way overconfident. That really hurt us"[/quote]

This and then some.

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Eagles teammates scuffle at practice: Riley Cooper vs. Cary Williams. Haha

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9637743/riley-cooper-cary-williams-philadelphia-eagles-scuffle-practice]Riley Cooper, Cary Williams of Philadelphia Eagles scuffle at practice - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=warriorzpath;1022383]Eagles teammates scuffle at practice: Riley Cooper vs. Cary Williams. Haha

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9637743/riley-cooper-cary-williams-philadelphia-eagles-scuffle-practice]Riley Cooper, Cary Williams of Philadelphia Eagles scuffle at practice - ESPN[/url][/quote]

[quote]Williams was covering Cooper in a non-contact drill. The two got hold of each other and began scuffling. [B]It was impossible to hear what they were saying, if anything, over the loud music coach Chip Kelly favors during practice.[/B][/quote]


Chip Kelly exudes professionalism.

[quote]Williams has a history of losing his temper on the field. He was sidelined during a joint practice with the New England Patriots after getting into a facemask-grabbing situation after a play. Williams was fined a couple of times last year, while he was with the Baltimore Ravens. He and DeSean Jackson were each fined $10,000 for tussling in a September game, and Williams was fined $15,750 for a late hit in a game against Denver. Williams avoided punishment for shoving an official during the Super Bowl.[/quote]

Sounds like Riley Cooper wasn't actually the problem here.

Going to be fun to watch the Eagles melt down all year.

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He does it to simulate loud fans

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1022386]He does it to simulate loud fans[/quote]

Music? Why not use crowd noise to simulate...crowd noise?

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Anybody heard anything new on Meriweather's status for the Eagles game?

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[quote=Monkeydad;1022387]Music? Why not use crowd noise to simulate...crowd noise?[/quote]

MD, it's obvious that Chip is having them play Emo music to simulate the depression that Eagles players and fans will be facing.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1022392]MD, it's obvious that Chip is having them play Emo music to simulate the depression that Eagles players and fans will be facing.[/quote]

I just made some wallpapers for the suffering Eagles fans.

[IMG]http://oi43.tinypic.com/2d2g4nc.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://oi41.tinypic.com/ehgdvp.jpg[/IMG]

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Love the "we hate everyone" wallpaper!

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Cant wait to see our running game balls deep in the that Philly Defense. Alf, Helu are in for big games. With Philly's problem stopping the run, Kyle is gonna take advantage of it and will have an opportunity to ease RG3 into the game. Id look for short, quick easy throws first half to go along with an aggressive running game. Second half continue to pound the rock maybe go more aggressive downfield with the play action stuff.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/05/haslett-our-base-defense-is-ready-for-chip-kellys-offense-all-day/]Haslett: Our base defense is ready for Chip Kelly’s offense “all day” | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=calia;1022298]This pretty much says it all: [url=http://deadspin.com/why-your-team-sucks-2013-philadelphia-eagles-1250826152]Why Your Team Sucks 2013: Philadelphia Eagles[/url]

This made me laugh out loud: "Kelly is bringing the Blur Offense with him, and I imagine he'll be in for a rude awakening when he realizes that his offense is terrible and he won't have three straight FCS opponents to help his players warm up for the season. It's gonna be a real treat to watch the Eagles go three-and-out in 20 seconds, give up a 12-minute touchdown drive, and then go three and out in 20 seconds AGAIN. They're poised to lose the Time of Possession battle by a ratio of 1:5. I'm sure fans in Philly will be patient and reserved and give Kelly all the time he needs to work out the bugs in his FIRE HIM FIRE HIM NOW KILLLLL HIM!"[/quote]

Laughed my ass off reading this article. "Michael Vick needs a playbook just to reheat soup." Should be an interesting year in Philly. If it turns out anywhere near the way I'm thinking it will, I'm going to enjoy the hell out of it!

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[quote=Chico23231;1022402]Cant wait to see our running game balls deep in the that Philly Defense. Alf, Helu are in for big games. With Philly's problem stopping the run, Kyle is gonna take advantage of it and will have an opportunity to ease RG3 into the game. Id look for short, quick easy throws first half to go along with an aggressive running game. Second half continue to pound the rock maybe go more aggressive downfield with the play action stuff.[/quote]

Fine by me. Move them chains. Quick throws and unable to touch RG. Grind on the D. Eat clock. Take our time and drag their suffering out.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1022385]Chip Kelly exudes professionalism.



Sounds like Riley Cooper wasn't actually the problem here.

Going to be fun to watch the Eagles melt down all year.[/quote]

Sounds like Williams was the problem? It's a 50/50 guess but not definitive b/c he's a hot head.

Re: Skins vs Eagles week 1
 

[quote=calia;1022298]This pretty much says it all: [url=http://deadspin.com/why-your-team-sucks-2013-philadelphia-eagles-1250826152]Why Your Team Sucks 2013: Philadelphia Eagles[/url]

This made me laugh out loud: "Kelly is bringing the Blur Offense with him, and I imagine he'll be in for a rude awakening when he realizes that his offense is terrible and he won't have three straight FCS opponents to help his players warm up for the season. It's gonna be a real treat to watch the Eagles go three-and-out in 20 seconds, give up a 12-minute touchdown drive, and then go three and out in 20 seconds AGAIN. They're poised to lose the Time of Possession battle by a ratio of 1:5. I'm sure fans in Philly will be patient and reserved and give Kelly all the time he needs to work out the bugs in his FIRE HIM FIRE HIM NOW KILLLLL HIM!"[/quote]



This article is hilarious. The comment about Vick needing a playbook to reheat soup was priceless.

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So, when one of your WRs and one of your CBs get into a fist-fight on the sidelines, what's the penalty? Looks like we may find out on Monday.

All joiking aside, I assume that there is none for such a scenario, but could you imagine a better "welcome to the NFL, jerkweed" moment than Kelly's team getting a 15 yard penalty for something not involving its opponent? Would be beautiful.

Michael Vick is smoothing things over. I love it. You know he whispered to Cooper's ear, "Hey, man. I will let this go once for the good of the team. But if I ever hear that sh_t again from you, I will let loose my dogs on your ass. And you know my dogs can handle themselves."

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[url=http://deadspin.com/why-your-team-sucks-2013-washington-redskins-1257835174]Why Your Team Sucks 2013: Washington Redskins[/url]


[quote]17) Adam Archuleta. Say his name to any Skins fan and they will drive off a highway ramp.[/quote]



:laughing2


The fan emails are also priceless:

[quote]If Dan Snyder was drowning in the Anacostia River, I'd throw him a cinder block.[/quote]

:laughing-

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[quote=warriorzpath;1022391]Anybody heard anything new on Meriweather's status for the Eagles game?[/quote]

A Google search revealed this tidbit; it was posted a day ago, so it's probably not the latest: [url=http://www.sportsoverdose.com/nfl-players/brandon-meriweather]Brandon Meriweather Rumors & Injury Update | #31 - SportsOverdose[/url]

[quote] 23 HOURS AGOROTOWORLD
Redskins coach Mike Shanahan said the team doesn’t yet know if Brandon Meriweather (knee, groin) will be available for Monday night's game against the Eagles.[/quote]

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[quote=Chico23231;1022402][B]Cant wait to see our running game balls deep in the that Philly Defense[/B]. Alf, Helu are in for big games. With Philly's problem stopping the run, Kyle is gonna take advantage of it and will have an opportunity to ease RG3 into the game. Id look for short, quick easy throws first half to go along with an aggressive running game. Second half continue to pound the rock maybe go more aggressive downfield with the play action stuff.[/quote]

Yeah with all the talk about RG3 I think the real key is going to be Morris. I could see him going for 150+ and just gashing that D all night long.

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Haslett was kind of vague today about Meriweather for Monday night, Shanahan will discuss injured players tomorrow.

As I believe I said a few weeks ago, Meriweather's health has been suspect this summer and I expect Doughty to start Monday night. But I think it will be a game day decision

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[quote=SmootSmack;1022420]Haslett was kind of vague today about Meriweather for Monday night, Shanahan will discuss injured players tomorrow.

As I believe I said a few weeks ago, Meriweather's health has been suspect this summer and I expect Doughty to start Monday night. But I think it will be a game day decision[/quote]

This is sad. Our QB has a ACL tear and is back before our starting DT and safety. /facepalm


Meriweather is the new Malcolm Kelly

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Sure CB59, anything can happen on any given Sunday, it's why they play the game. Just b/c something [I]may[/I] happen doesn't mean it's [I]realistic [/I]to think it [I]will[/I] happen. The sun may not come up tomorrow, I am not, however, going to lose a moment's sleep over it. None, and I mean NONE, of your nervous nelly, sky-is-falling, end-of-the-world whimperings are anything that cause me one "realistic" pang of worry for Monday Night. Let's review:

1. The Eagles "Big Three"? Well, let's start with the obvious, shall we?
Vick sucks. Oh, he has physical talents - no denying that, and sometimes his play makes you think he doesn't suck, but then, the real Vick shows up and you realize his good plays were the equivalent of lipstick on a pig. He is saying the same things now he said the last two years under Reid ... "I am learning to be a better QB", "I am committed to developing as a disciplined passer", "Coach's system is really good for me." blah blah blah. Leadership? When has he [I]ever[/I] elevated the play of others? Not "win by creating points through athleticism" but truly made other players better by building them up.

An example of what I am talking about is comment RGIII made in one of those mic'd up moments during last year's final game - On the final drive, in the huddle for all the team to hear, he makes a comment - "y'all know what were going to do, let's do it", then turns to Morris and - in front of the whole team - says something like "Take us home, win this for us". ... The crowd's chanting Griffin's name, the game is on the line, it's time for the star player to take over and march triumphant, [I]but[/I], instead, Griffin turns to Morris and very publicly says "You are the man, not me. You take the glory." I bet Morris would have run over lava in barefeet and through a brickwall for Griffin at that point. That's [I]real[/I] leadership.

Vick simply does not have this. Never has. Never will. When has he ever [I]inspired[/I] his teammates to excel. They are in awe of his talents and believe in him because of them, but that ain't leadership. Vick. Sucks.

- DeSean "one trick pony" Jackson? Catch some contested balls over the middle, then maybe you may be a threat without Maclin on the other side. For now, Chris Nield can cover their WR2 and everybody else will watch MeSean.

- McCoy is shifty and a threat. He, however, is not going to win this on his own. He gets two TD's - one off a long run - and that is the extent of the Eagles scoring.

2. RGIII rusty? freaked out b/c he hasn't taken a hit? I call so much bullsh** on that. The man is, generally, driven to excel and has, specifically, been driving himself to excel [I]at this moment[/I] to prove himself to the doubters. To even consider RGIII's offseason prep as a reason to doubt his in-game performance in this nationally televised Monday Night Football home opener is to ignore the reality of his historic ability to play his best in big games. Given his drive and history as a player, it is "realistic" to believe that Griffin may be dominant Monday night. On the other hand, for those same reasons, worries about RGIII's ability to over come "eight months without a hit" [I]isn't[/I] a realistic concern - it's a namby pamby exercise in hand wringing over a non-issue. If this causes you worry, how the hell do you even get out of bed in the morning?!

3. The Zorn Effect? Let's be clear, the Skins went 6-0 [I]in spite [/I]of Zorn not [I]b/c of [/I]him. He was handed a cohesive, talented team coming off an inspirational run that had been built by a masterful coach. The momentum from the previous year is what carried them through not anything Zorn did. I could have coached them to 6-0. Had Gibbs stayed, that team was going places. Zorn, however, had no clue how to keep the machine purring when tough times hit and the wheels came off.

Finally, IF this team gets behind, it is not going to panic. It's the same guys who came back from 3-6, who won close nail biters and came from behind along the way. This team is built to bear down not give up. The Eagles, on the other hand, ...

Sure, everything could go wrong and we could lose, maybe. Worrying about that is not "keeping it real", it is [I]unrealistic[/I] whining based on regurgitated sound bite analysis and ignores the reality of where these two team were and where they are now. One is realistically on the brink of dominance, the other is realistically on the brink of implosion.

And that's how you keep it real.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1022400]Love the "we hate everyone" wallpaper![/quote]

The e-mails in that Deadspin article posted earlier inspired that one. :D

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[quote=Monkeydad;1022364]You've thought about it too much.

Zorn actually had NFL experience as a very good starting QB and[B] as a coordinator.[/B]

Kelly's coming in blind and arrogant. In fact, I only think he came to the NFL because he was afraid of NCAA violations. He's not ready and his offense is not going to work in the NFL.

Besides, the Giants will just slow him down by faking injuries.[/quote]

Where? I don't remember him ever running an offense anywhere....which makes that hire even more laughable!

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[quote=SmootSmack;1022420]Haslett was kind of vague today about Meriweather for Monday night, Shanahan will discuss injured players tomorrow.

As I believe I said a few weeks ago, Meriweather's health has been suspect this summer and I expect Doughty to start Monday night. But I think it will be a game day decision[/quote]

You called it weeks/months ago, Doughty to start. I like Doughty a ton, but hope he's the weakest link on our defense if you know what I mean.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1022426]This is sad. Our QB has a ACL tear and is back before our starting DT and safety. /facepalm


Meriweather is the new Malcolm Kelly[/quote]

Griffin is a freak, his recovery is not the norm.