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[quote=SmootSmack;1025177]If they moved and became the Los Angeles Redskins for example I'd be less inclined to remain a fan than if they stayed and changed the name to the Washington Federals.

How about this? Suppose Snyder says forget it, it's not worth it and sells the team. Someone buys the team and moves them to LA and calls them the Stars or whatever. ANd it's RG3 and company. But then the NFL grants an expansion team to DC and that team gets the Redskins name and colors, but it's different players. Who's your team?[/quote]

Then you close the book on the Redskins like the Baltimore Colts fans did. You bitch and cry till a new franchise comes along like the Ravens. There's just too much history in this city like Baltimore and Cleveland, they were awarded replacement franchises because of their fans and history. Unfortunately for LA that's a different story.

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As far as fandom goes, I guess I've been a fan of Joe Gibbs, and the Redskins, as much as any Washington players over other players in the league. I don't cheer for Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Willis, or Calvin Johnson, but I admire them. I root for our team, the Redskins.

I'd still watch and cheer for our current players, but I have a tough time respecting an organization caving into political correctness like this.

More to the point, if the name changes, I deeply resent the conclusion that I and every Redskin fan must be racist for saying HTTR all these years. That's not what Skins fans believe cheering FOR the team, but the implication of the name change is damning. Screw the PC crowd and the organization if the name changes.

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If it came to the Redskins changing their name and all alternatives were exhausted, then Braves would be only name acceptable. Braves was their original name and it is mentioned in HTTR fight song which had the lyrics changed in the 80's.

Hail to the Redskins!

Hail Victory!

Braves on the Warpath!

Fight for old D.C.!

Run or pass and score -- we want a lot more!

Beat 'em, Swamp 'em,

Touchdown! -- Let the points soar!

Fight on, fight on 'Til you have won

Sons of Wash-ing-ton. Rah!, Rah!, Rah!

Hail to the Redskins!

Hail Victory!

Braves on the Warpath!

Fight for old D.C.!


The previous lyrics (1962 to '80s) were:

Hail to the Redskins!

Hail, victory!

Braves on the warpath!

Fight for Old D.C.!

Scalp 'em, swamp 'um

We will take 'um big score

Read 'um, Weep 'um, touchdown

We want heap more

Fight on, fight on, till you have won

Sons of Washington

Rah! Rah! Rah!

I agree braves or might as well start over

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How would Jack Kent Cooke have handled this naming fiasco? He would tell everyone to **** themselves just like Danny has. Changing the Redskins name is like getting neutered, you lose your name, logo, fight song, probably even the band. Special things that make the Redskins unique, might as well go root for the lizards or Wizards.

I'm glad I'm not alone with this bs.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1025177]If they moved and became the Los Angeles Redskins for example I'd be less inclined to remain a fan than if they stayed and changed the name to the Washington Federals.

How about this? Suppose Snyder says forget it, it's not worth it and sells the team. Someone buys the team and moves them to LA and calls them the Stars or whatever. ANd it's RG3 and company. But then the NFL grants an expansion team to DC and that team gets the Redskins name and colors, but it's different players. Who's your team?[/quote]

I wouldn't pull for the team if they moved to LA. If it were a situation like Cleveland where they got their old colors/name/logo back, I'd continue rooting for them.


Second option: I'd probably just continue rooting for my 2nd team the home state Panthers.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1025194]I'm glad I'm not alone with this bs.[/quote]

How come no one is protesting the Cleveland Indians and having the media calling them the Cleveland baseball team? That's some BS!!

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I can relate to SS scenario. I chose the Texas Rangers as my team because there was not a local baseball team in Washington. My dad told me the Rangers were moved from DC so I said "good enough" and have been a fan for ~30 years. When the the Nationals came to town I thought for sure switching to the home team would be hard at first but would eventually be able to root for them. I'm no closer to being a Nationals fan now than I was when they first started out. Still a Rangers fan.

So if they were moved to another town with a new name I would probably remain with that team regardless if a new Redskins team were formed in DC.

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[url=http://www.dailynews.com/sports/20130912/seeing-redskins-should-media-interpret-what-is-offensive]Seeing Redskins: Should media interpret what is offensive?[/url]

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I don't know but I find it incredibly hard to believe that a person who's looking for a symbol to denote how cool or badass his team is would pick a bloody scalp. If the origin of the word "redskin" was indeed a bloody scalp how would you sell that to the local fan base? I realize that regardless some people are offended by the term, but is it due to their own wrongful association? Or is it a fierce sensitivity for a conquered people to have to be subjected to the usage of their own terms by their conquerors?

If the Russians attacked and conquered us and then, years later, had their sports teams named after something that represented Americans. Would we as a subjugated people not feel bitter towards them for using our representative imagery? Probably...

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1025193]How would Jack Kent Cooke have handled this naming fiasco? He would tell everyone to **** themselves just like Danny has. Changing the Redskins name is like getting neutered, you lose your name, logo, fight song, probably even the band. Special things that make the Redskins unique, might as well go root for the lizards or Wizards.[/quote]

Exactly. Losing all of that. It would be a piece of my child hood robbed by such a small margin of people.

If the team moved I would not be the "fan" of that team as I am for the Redskins. I would like the guys but I would not be buying new gear or going out of my way to watch every game.

I doubt the team moves and I honestly do not see Dan S selling the team to change the name. The Redskins are a piece of Dan's childhood with his dad. I also see the guy as being as big of a fan of the team as we are.

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[quote=Lotus;1025164]Personally I would be far more disturbed to change the burgundy and gold colors than to change the name. Those colors are strangely sacred for me.[/quote]

YEah man, the exterior of my house has burgundy and gold painted objects all around, my old car was customized with a B/G interior paint job, a closet full of B/G outfits, and that's before the thousands of dollars in skins clothes. Burgundy and gold is the tits.

I can't think of what DC themes sounds cool. Lobbyist= hell no, federals= ehhh, freemasons= f' no. To be honest, capitals, nationals and the patriots would be best for DC but they are spoken for. THis is such a messed up situation. I love the DMV but we need to be in DC and or VA all together. That's why I think if the opposition gets leverage in a court matter, the damaged product would need to be scrapped and moved altogether. I'm never buying new anything if that occurred.

IF the if the warriors is an option, anything from the movie The Warriors would be ok by me. That movie rocked. "Can you dig it?"

Lastly,
Why can't we save time and effort and donate money to a cause or bring the Native Americans into the franchise by some means? a percentage of ownership or consultants for direction or imagery?? Fine the name offends you, well what images are you proud about? I don't think the team is the real enemies, isn't our gov't the real culprits who set the example of what is condonable to Native Americans in the 1st place?!

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Went to the ESPN scoreboard page to look at the intel sheet on our game, first video that pops up is "is the Redskins nickname racist" ... technically our nickname is Skins, so no I wouldn't think that's racist. As for the rest, I didn't let it play, so sick of the discussion.

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There's this chick who follows me on twitter is having a hot debate with herself, at the moment, about the Redskins. Apparently she just found it was "racist". People are fukcng trip. Like, if it's offensive and racist, no one has to sit you down and explain it. Which by the way, the etymology of the name Redskins is very dicey. From what I've read and researched, it's not at conclusive one way or the other.

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[quote=Skinzman;1024954]Oneida Nation realized a few years back that every time someone does a story on them complaining about the name, they get their casino in NY mentioned. Advertising for pennies on the dollar.

I still wish the media would address the Indian Reservations where the Indians themselves have named their High School mascot the Redskins.[/quote]

Hey, so this high school is New York on a reservation?

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[quote=12thMan;1025258]There's this chick who follows me on twitter is having a hot debate with herself, at the moment, about the Redskins. Apparently she just found it was "racist". People are fukcng trip. Like, if it's offensive and racist, no one has to sit you down and explain it. [B]Which by the way, the etymology of the name Redskins is very dicey. From what I've read and researched, it's not at conclusive one way or the other.[/B][/quote]

I agree, so it pains me to say that the history of the name doesn't matter. If everyone in 2013 agrees that the name is offensive, it doesn't matter what people thought 150 years ago, sad to say.

When a mass hysteria train gets rolling, brakes are difficult to apply. And the mass hysteria regarding the idea that "[I]Redskins[/I] is offensive" has left the station.

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If you drop the letter K, the remaining letters spell
SNIDERS
"HAIL TO THE SNIDERS" has a certain ring to it.

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Hmmm......let me think...Washington Snider's.......sweet!

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[quote=Green Monk Machine;1025230]
Lastly,
Why can't we save time and effort and donate money to a cause or bring the Native Americans into the franchise by some means? a percentage of ownership or consultants for direction or imagery?? Fine the name offends you, well what images are you proud about? I don't think the team is the real enemies, isn't our gov't the real culprits who set the example of what is condonable to Native Americans in the 1st place?![/quote]I think that's something Snyder should have done as soon as he bought the team. It seems that FSU basically did this and that's why they're aloud to be the Seminoles. But I guess it's too late now...

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;1025886]I think that's something Snyder should have done as soon as he bought the team. It seems that FSU basically did this and that's why they're aloud to be the Seminoles. But I guess it's too late now...[/quote]

FSU made a deal with the biggest Seminole tribe in Florida. They get a letter to the NCAA giving them the ok to keep the name from the Seminole tribe, and that specific Seminole tribe gets scholarships to attend FSU for their teenagers that graduate from high school.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;1025886]I think that's something Snyder should have done as soon as he bought the team. It seems that FSU basically did this and that's why they're aloud to be the Seminoles. But I guess it's too late now...[/quote]

If these groups can make money then its always on time. That's what this is really about. Like someone posted earlier some of these groups protesting get free advertisement and sponsoring.

As much as I use to bash Snyder its times like this I don't entirely hate his ownership. There's no way he'll willingly change the team's name.

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So I guess like 10 people showed up for the big "protest" yesterday.

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[quote=Mattyk;1026023]So I guess like 10 people showed up for the big "protest" yesterday.[/quote]

Not that I wanted to see it, but was there any coverage of the protest? was it really that small? It would seem like that should put it to rest for the season at least.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1026049]Not that I wanted to see it, but was there any coverage of the protest? was it really that small? It would seem like that should put it to rest for the season at least.[/quote]

Someone posted a pic on twitter, Cooley I think, and if you didn't know what it was supposed to be you'd have no clue it was a protest. Seriously, about 10 people with a couple of signs. Lame as can be.

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[quote=Mattyk;1026051]Someone posted a pic on twitter, Cooley I think, and if you didn't know what it was supposed to be you'd have no clue it was a protest. Seriously, about 10 people with a couple of signs. Lame as can be.[/quote]

Interesting. Much ado about nothing.

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[quote=Mattyk;1026051]Someone posted a pic on twitter, Cooley I think, and if you didn't know what it was supposed to be you'd have no clue it was a protest. Seriously, about 10 people with a couple of signs. Lame as can be.[/quote]

I can just imagine the headline covering the story:

"Large protest over Washington Football Team's Name goes down at Lambeau; details inside."

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Here is a pic. You can see the hand full of people holding signs the other people are just there tailgating.

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUNlIYbCMAEuTY6.jpg:large[/IMG]

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[quote=SmootSmack;1025177]If they moved and became the Los Angeles Redskins for example I'd be less inclined to remain a fan than if they stayed and changed the name to the Washington Federals.

How about this? Suppose Snyder says forget it, it's not worth it and sells the team. Someone buys the team and moves them to LA and calls them the Stars or whatever. ANd it's RG3 and company. But then the NFL grants an expansion team to DC and that team gets the Redskins name and colors, but it's different players. Who's your team?[/quote]

Redskins

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When fewer protesters show up, than the 50+ organizations claimed to support the protest, something doesn't add up.

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[quote=Mattyk;1026023]So I guess like 10 people showed up for the big "protest" yesterday.[/quote]

Wow I read somewhere before the game that there would be a protest. I had no idea it would be that small... Media sure blows things out of proportion

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9689220/redskins-name-change-not-easy-sounds]Redskins name change not as easy as it sounds - ESPN[/url]

good read

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1026688][url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9689220/redskins-name-change-not-easy-sounds]Redskins name change not as easy as it sounds - ESPN[/url]

good read[/quote]
Interesting, and I did not know this, "The state's [Oklahoma] name is derived from the Choctaw words okla and humma, meaning "red people"" (wikipedia)

Can we petition Oklahoma to change it's name also?

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lol funny thing is every Native or "indian" in oklahoma is a redskins or chiefs fan pretty much

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1026688][url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9689220/redskins-name-change-not-easy-sounds]Redskins name change not as easy as it sounds - ESPN[/url]

good read[/quote]

Yeah he kinda nails it

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1026694]Interesting, and I did not know this, "The state's [Oklahoma] name is derived from the Choctaw words okla and humma, meaning "red people"" (wikipedia)

Can we petition Oklahoma to change it's name also?[/quote]

Skinzman is hurt

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/54258-redskins-name-change-volume-10000000-a-10.html#post1024961[/url]

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Great article.

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Man, beat me to posting it. Fantastic article. I love how Reilly mixes in factual information with his cynicism towards other writers. It always rubs me the wrong way when all these reporters that have no factual background knowledge about this whole controversy and start spewing about things they don't fully understand.

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I hate Reilly so much really but he hits this one out of the park.

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Reilly is my new hero, the anti ass kissing, attention getting Feinstein, King, Wise, etc. media whores. Great article!!