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Before we send Shanahan packing let's start with Haslett. Enough is enough, I'm tired of looking at his face, promote someone as DC, they can't be any worse than Haslett.

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I don't think it's wise to get rid of anybody. But I think it's time to re-adjust expectations because this team is still trying to get back to its identity of last season while also dealing with RGIII's injury (and with that - protecting him more this year).

This team is probably not going to make the playoffs and everyone just has to accept that fact. What fans should do is look for signs for improvement for next year. That way it's not about winning or losing when you watch the games and the games will be more entertaining. I'm not leaving out hope that they can't turn this around, but 0-3 is just too big of a hole to dig out of to start the season. I also don't want to blow up this whole thing because of a bad start that had a lot of things that went against the Redskins this season so far.

Blow it up and hope for what? The next Chip Kelly? No, I'll hold out at least until next season when Alfred Morris and RGIII are more seasoned and probably more prepared with RGIII healthier. And there will be more cap space with the possibility of bringing in more db talent and maybe drafting a speedy wideout that can catch the ball.

If they can't get anywhere by next season, then I say fire everybody.

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1027979]He didn't control the ball when he rolled on the ground. Like it or not that's the rule. It's a stupid as hell rule but it is what it is.[/QUOTE]

I think bucket was just freezing that moment in time to show us how close we were to winning- not that it was a bad call

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The franchise likes to shoot itself in the foot and to be honest because of this Snyder has got himself cornered where he dare not do anything when maybe it should be done because of the never ending drama he has created over 14 years as being the owner. He handled Norv wrong in firing him mid season, got rid of Marty after the team was finally buying into his system, just because Marty wanted to be GM also. He hires Spurrier, who should not have been hired, as anyone should have told Snyder that his system wouldn't work in the NFL. Bringing Gibbs back was a good move, but not when Gibbs was chained with an idiot Cerrato. Zorn was just a fill in, a tragic fill in, that got thrown under the bus until Shanahan or Cowher was available. Now we got a stud QB, and a decent GM(so it seems), but our coach obviously was overrated, thus we have to ride this roller coaster for probably through 2014 only to start over again with a new HC/OC/DC which of course means we will have to revamp a large part of our personnel, mainly on the D, which means another 2 season of mediocre football, and a bunch more bitching by us.

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[quote=punch it in;1028003]I think bucket was just freezing that moment in time to show us how close we were to winning- not that it was a bad call[/quote]

Pretty much. It just seems we are always a few inches away from being a good team. I don't think it's time to eliminate anyone from the coaching staff. Haslett seems to be on his way out, but a win next week before the bye and a weeks rest could prepare us for our schedule.


I'm not ready to give up, but I'm starting to wonder if Mike wants to run more traditional offense similar to what they run with Cousins, and Kyle isn't ready to give up his RO yet.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1027976]I don't understand the fire Haslett talk either. He blitzed a lot today trying to get pressure. I actually thought today He mixed things up pretty well. We just don't have good players on defense.[/quote]

He's the worst DC in the NFL setting records for futility. He is an embarrassment!!

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[quote=SmootSmack;1027878]In the last 15 years I think the two most apathetic Redskins teams were in 2009 and so far this year[/quote]

Good observation. Players gave up on Zorn. Players have given up on Shanahan. Time to move on.

It's a damn shame to think of all the quality coaches we've missed out on the last four years.

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[B]@ESPNStatsInfo

The #Redskins have allowed 1,464 yards through first 3 games, most in NFL history.[/B]


This speaks for itself.


[B]@granthpaulsen

Trent Williams: "It doesn't feel good to be 0-3. It sucks. But there's nothing we can do about it now." #Redskins[/B]

Nothing you can do about it Trent? You can ****ing start playing with a purpose and like you guys are being paid to do.

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[quote=warriorzpath;1028002]I don't think it's wise to get rid of anybody. But I think it's time to re-adjust expectations because this team is still trying to get back to its identity of last season while also dealing with RGIII's injury (and with that - protecting him more this year).

This team is probably not going to make the playoffs and everyone just has to accept that fact. What fans should do is look for signs for improvement for next year. That way it's not about winning or losing when you watch the games and the games will be more entertaining. I'm not leaving out hope that they can't turn this around, but 0-3 is just too big of a hole to dig out of to start the season. I also don't want to blow up this whole thing because of a bad start that had a lot of things that went against the Redskins this season so far.

Blow it up and hope for what? The next Chip Kelly? No, I'll hold out at least until next season when Alfred Morris and RGIII are more seasoned and probably more prepared with RGIII healthier. And there will be more cap space with the possibility of bringing in more db talent and maybe drafting a speedy wideout that can catch the ball.

If they can't get anywhere by next season, then I say fire everybody.[/quote]

You don't can anybody midseason like Snyder did with Norv. Norv deserved to go, but not like that when the season could have been salvaged with an outside shot at the playoffs still a possibility. A long shot yes, but it could have happened if he was allowed to turn it around. I don't think it is good to fire coaches mid season as you might as well write off the rest of the season. Give these guys time to make the necessary adjustments and see where it leads. Right now this team is lacking in some basic fundamentals as the tackling issue shows and the sloppy penalties.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1027936]Absolutely in the sense he's the HC and it falls on him. Buck stops with him. And Kyle has to go. Love him to death. Tremendous person. Good friend, don't want him here anymore[/quote]

Ss, I like many always appreciate the insight. But gotta say this is kinda earth shattering of a comment. It's that bad? Seems like going into the season the coaching staff would more on the same page. Just kinda doesn't make sense this early in the season to be feeling this way of "Kyle gotta go".

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Why get rid of the coaches when it's much more about the way the players are performing and executing than anything. I was saying this in preseason about the drops. The drops will kill the offense. This team, whether you like it or not, will always continue to be driven by the offense.

But what the defense needs the most is - strong man-to-man corners.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;1028009]You don't can anybody midseason like Snyder did with Norv. Norv deserved to go, but not like that when the season could have been salvaged with an outside shot at the playoffs still a possibility. A long shot yes, but it could have happened if he was allowed to turn it around. I don't think it is good to fire coaches mid season as you might as well write off the rest of the season. Give these guys time to make the necessary adjustments and see where it leads. Right now this team is lacking in some basic fundamentals as the tackling issue shows and the sloppy penalties.[/quote]

Ravens fired Cameron and won the SB.

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1028006]He's the worst DC in the NFL setting records for futility. He is an embarrassment!![/QUOTE]

Not disagreeing, but we could have the best DC in NFL and it wouldn't help us tackle better or cover up we have a bad secondary lacking talent.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1028008][B]@ESPNStatsInfo [/B]

[B]The #Redskins have allowed 1,464 yards through first 3 games, most in NFL history.[/B]


This speaks for itself.


[B]@granthpaulsen [/B]

[B]Trent Williams: "It doesn't feel good to be 0-3. It sucks. But there's nothing we can do about it now." #Redskins[/B]

Nothing you can do about it Trent? You can ****ing start playing with a purpose and like you guys are being paid to do.[/quote]

This is the attitude under Norv, where Redskins Park was likened to Club Med. It is time to get rid of the outrageous salaries. You have to give these lazy, overpaid ****s some real incentive to play. Have everyone play at the current minimum salary and everything else is added up per game. You know how college players get stickers on their helmets for good plays, pay the bastard for yardage gained, scores, tackles, INTs, fumbles forced, recovered fumbles, etc almost like fantasy, but with $$$$$$$$$ not points. Seriously now, Trent will be a rich man whether or not he ever plays in another playoff game in his career, so where is his real incentive to win? Work ethic? Personal honor, etc? These concepts are long gone in terms of street mentality. Why do you think Gen X is holding down the greatest number of jobs in America with the smallest unemployment rate? We are the last generation that has any style of old American work ethic and the culture we grew up in was under Reagan, where you worked to get ahead. The street punks that are drafted in the last 10 years just see a big payday and just show up for the paycheck. Only a handful of the younger players really want to win, or really care about a legacy as a player. This is what the NFL gets by trying to promote Hip hop culture.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1028008][B]@ESPNStatsInfo

The #Redskins have allowed 1,464 yards through first 3 games, most in NFL history.[/B]


This speaks for itself.


[B]@granthpaulsen

Trent Williams: "It doesn't feel good to be 0-3. It sucks. But there's nothing we can do about it now." #Redskins[/B]

Nothing you can do about it Trent? You can ****ing start playing with a purpose and like you guys are being paid to do.[/quote]


Tell that to the Defense.

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2 plays that would have changed the game entirely - RGIII's head-first slide/fumble and Aldrick Robinson's td drop.

Not guaranteed, but we would be looking at this team and season much more differently if neither of these plays happened.

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At least we aren't the 49ers either for that matter....Bay area lookin pissed right now

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[quote=redskins5044;1028013]Not disagreeing, but we could have the best DC in NFL and it wouldn't help us tackle better or cover up we have a bad secondary lacking talent.[/quote]

Agreed. We just don't the talent. Orakpo is just not what we need him to be. Where was Kerrigan today? Can the guys that play inside cave in the pocket? What about the penalties? Missed tackles?

When they go back to practice they shouldn't even game plan. Just hit, tackle...fundamentals.

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Why aren't more people suggesting to rather get rid of Aldrick Robinson? I wouldn't agree, but if you need a scapegoat to sacrifice to the football gods- there you go.

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[quote=CASKINS;1028015]Tell that to the Defense.[/quote]
Again we drafted a questionable guy in Rambo. My question to the NFL is why are they doing their utmost to promote hip hop culture, when it ultimately is going to bring it down. The prices are outrageous and the quality of the product on the field is abysmal anymore. Murderers, rapists, heavily tattooed idiots, you name it. Unless I can get some cheap seats I won't attend another NFL game again. It is a rip off.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;1028020]Again we drafted a questionable guy in Rambo. My question to the NFL is why are they doing their utmost to promote hip hop culture, when it ultimately is going to bring it down. The prices are outrageous and the quality of the product on the field is abysmal anymore. [B]Murderers, rapists, heavily tattooed idiots, you name it[/B]. Unless I can get some cheap seats I won't attend another NFL game again. It is a rip off.[/quote]

This isn't The Replacements with Keanu Reaves.

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I know our problem RGII needs to run out and do an interview for another article because the thousand he did don't seem to be working.

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[quote=warriorzpath;1028016]2 plays that would have changed the game entirely - RGIII's head-first slide/fumble and Aldrick Robinson's td drop.

Not guaranteed, but we would be looking at this team and season much more differently if neither of these plays happened.[/quote]

And the ill-advisied interception on the pass when we were threatening to score.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;1028020]Again we drafted a questionable guy in Rambo. My question to the NFL is why are they doing their utmost to promote hip hop culture, when it ultimately is going to bring it down. The prices are outrageous and the quality of the product on the field is abysmal anymore. Murderers, rapists, heavily tattooed idiots, you name it. Unless I can get some cheap seats I won't attend another NFL game again. It is a rip off.[/quote]

Is this really a relevant discussion right now?

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[quote=warriorzpath;1028002]I don't think it's wise to get rid of anybody. But I think it's time to re-adjust expectations because this team is still trying to get back to its identity of last season while also dealing with RGIII's injury (and with that - protecting him more this year).

This team is probably not going to make the playoffs and everyone just has to accept that fact. What fans should do is look for signs for improvement for next year. That way it's not about winning or losing when you watch the games and the games will be more entertaining. I'm not leaving out hope that they can't turn this around, but 0-3 is just too big of a hole to dig out of to start the season. I also don't want to blow up this whole thing because of a bad start that had a lot of things that went against the Redskins this season so far.

Blow it up and hope for what? The next Chip Kelly? No, I'll hold out at least until next season when Alfred Morris and RGIII are more seasoned and probably more prepared with RGIII healthier. And there will be more cap space with the possibility of bringing in more db talent and maybe drafting a speedy wideout that can catch the ball.

If they can't get anywhere by next season, then I say fire everybody.[/quote]

The problem I have with posts/opinions like these is they assume coaching talent is forever limited to what we see today, and then adding a second illogical assumption we'll automatically make a rash move e.g. Chip Kelly. You could just easily point to Pete Carroll, who's completely turned Seattle into a contender. Or the Colts. New coach, lots of new faces, and they're kicking ass. Or what Elway did in Denver, pull together two coaches from pretty listless situations and suddenly that team is a contender (don't forget, Denver was winning before Peyton got there, it's just that now it's a powerhouse team).

The point is, human capital, in this case coaching talent, is NEVER a limited supply. This coaching staff/chemistry sucks from top to bottom. Mike has sucked for over a decade, and that's why Denver kicked him to the curb. Haslett has never achieved anything to write home about. Same with Kyle, when he left Houston they didn't skip a beat. We have losers leading this team, period. Aside from a brief 8 game stint where the stars perfectly aligned - rest of the NFC East completely fell apart, new offensive scheme took defenses by surprise, etc. - this has not been a serious football team since Mike came to town.

Find the right coach, and this team could be a contender in a year or two. We see it happen over and over and over again around the league. It's our turn.

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1027927]Maybe this is just the anger making me stupid, but I kind of want Chucky.[/quote]God NOOOOOOO

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1028023]And the ill-advisied interception on the pass when we were threatening to score.[/quote]

Yes. I forgot about that one.

[QUOTE=GusFrerotte;1028020]Again we drafted a questionable guy in Rambo. My question to the NFL is why are they doing their utmost to promote hip hop culture, when it ultimately is going to bring it down. The prices are outrageous and the quality of the product on the field is abysmal anymore. Murderers, rapists, heavily tattooed idiots, you name it. Unless I can get some cheap seats I won't attend another NFL game again. It is a rip off.[/QUOTE]

What does any of this exactly mean? They draft players to play a game, sometimes there are bad apples, but that happens everywhere.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1028008][B]@ESPNStatsInfo

The #Redskins have allowed 1,464 yards through first 3 games, most in NFL history.[/B]


This speaks for itself.


[B]@granthpaulsen

Trent Williams: "It doesn't feel good to be 0-3. It sucks. But there's nothing we can do about it now." #Redskins[/B]

Nothing you can do about it Trent? You can ****ing start playing with a purpose and like you guys are being paid to do.[/quote]or TW could do a couple bong hits.

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[quote=The Goat;1028025]The problem I have with posts/opinions like these is they assume coaching talent is forever limited to what we see today, and then adding a second illogical assumption we'll automatically make a rash move e.g. Chip Kelly. You could just easily point to Pete Carroll, who's completely turned Seattle into a contender. Or the Colts. New coach, lots of new faces, and they're kicking ass. Or what Elway did in Denver, pull together two coaches from pretty listless situations and suddenly that team is a contender (don't forget, Denver was winning before Peyton got there, it's just that now it's a powerhouse team).

The point is, human capital, in this case coaching talent, is NEVER a limited supply. This coaching staff/chemistry sucks from top to bottom. Mike has sucked for over a decade, and that's why Denver kicked him to the curb. Haslett has never achieved anything to write home about. Same with Kyle, when he left Houston they didn't skip a beat. We have losers leading this team, period. Aside from a brief 8 game stint where the stars perfectly aligned - rest of the NFC completely fell apart, new offensive scheme took defenses by surprise, etc. - this has not been a serious football team since Mike came to town.

Find the right coach, and this team could be a contender in a year or two. We see it happen over and over and over again around the league. It's our turn.[/quote]

We have been trying to find the right coach/qb combo for over a decade. And now that we have one- you want to start over and try to find another one? This is barely year 2 of Shanahan and RGIII. Just be patient and let it play out. RGIII's still recovering from an injury and the offense is still trying to get back to last year's form. They look like they're taking baby steps to get there, but they are getting there. And when they do- you'll be backtracking a little bit.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1028018]Agreed. We just don't the talent. Orakpo is just not what we need him to be. Where was Kerrigan today? Can the guys that play inside cave in the pocket? What about the penalties? Missed tackles?

When they go back to practice they shouldn't even game plan. Just hit, tackle...fundamentals.[/quote]Bowen has been MIA for 3 weeks. Orakpo is inconsistent, but mostly terrible when asked to cover. I've always felt that Rak makes a better 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB. He has underachieved in this system.

Suicide watch begins. Calm down, FFS!

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what is alarming is RG3 is a TO machine this yr

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I think i'm the only one who likes the current Regime. I can go without Haslett, as I enjoy a defensive cordinator who is aggressive and mean. Who likes to show it on the sideline with his team and encourage them to be beasts.. Haslett kinda seems like the most calm D coach iv'e ever seen. I never see any type of expression on his face. If I was him and the defense was missing so many tackles.. I would be throwing a headset and clipboard, and grabbing my players showing them how to tackle lol.

I enjoy Kyle, and really feel like the offense moved the ball really well today. We had a INT on a good drive, a Fumble, and another FUMBLE after we dropped a 50+ touchdown.

Just seems we left a lot of points on the field today and to blame Kyle or Mike for those errors when the game was called pretty well is really off point.

One thing I did enjoy was the man coverage we played today that I haven't seen all year. I remember one case where it was 3rd and 5 for Detriot. Kerrigan showed blitz after lining up over the slot, and when he blitz the safety came up to man the slot forcing Stafford to delay his throw and ended up under throwing him..

I wanna see more man coverage. I would rather be burned in man coverage then give up chunks of yardage in the zone. I know Seattle plays heavy man coverage and it works glorious for them because they have physical corners. I feel like Amerson is the first step to being one of those physical corners. He played pretty good today, and proved he was worth the pick.

Jordan Reed also looked fast and sure handed. Guy made forget all about Fred Davis, and made me realize that Paul could be on his way out next year once we start building some more cap.

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[quote=SouperMeister;1028032]Bowen has been MIA for 3 weeks. Orakpo is inconsistent, but mostly terrible when asked to cover. I've always felt that Rak makes a better 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB. He has underachieved in this system.[/quote]

If your hearing Bowens name a lot then he's not doing his job in the 3/4. It's not his job to get in the backfield and make huge plays. Although it helps when he does sometimes, when the ball has commited to his side.

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hey lets lose so we get a top 5 pick.....

oh wait

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[quote=Bucket;1028037]If your hearing Bowens name a lot then he's not doing his job in the 3/4. It's not his job to get in the backfield and make huge plays. Although it helps when he does sometimes, when the ball has commited to his side.[/quote]

Tell that to J.J. Watt, who also is a 3-4 DE. 3-4 DE's can make plays...but Bowen hasn't.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;1028020]Again we drafted a questionable guy in Rambo. My question to the NFL is why are they doing their utmost to promote hip hop culture, when it ultimately is going to bring it down. The prices are outrageous and the quality of the product on the field is abysmal anymore. Murderers, rapists, heavily tattooed idiots, you name it. Unless I can get some cheap seats I won't attend another NFL game again. It is a rip off.[/quote]

This may be the dumbest post in your long history of dumb posts here. It reeks of ignorance, and brings the down the value and quality of this site. Don't post crap like this again here

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[quote=The Goat;1028025]The problem I have with posts/opinions like these is they assume coaching talent is forever limited to what we see today, and then adding a second illogical assumption we'll automatically make a rash move e.g. Chip Kelly. You could just easily point to Pete Carroll, who's completely turned Seattle into a contender. Or the Colts. New coach, lots of new faces, and they're kicking ass. Or what Elway did in Denver, pull together two coaches from pretty listless situations and suddenly that team is a contender (don't forget, Denver was winning before Peyton got there, it's just that now it's a powerhouse team).

The point is, human capital, in this case coaching talent, is NEVER a limited supply. This coaching staff/chemistry sucks from top to bottom. Mike has sucked for over a decade, and that's why Denver kicked him to the curb. Haslett has never achieved anything to write home about. Same with Kyle, when he left Houston they didn't skip a beat. We have losers leading this team, period. Aside from a brief 8 game stint where the stars perfectly aligned - rest of the NFC East completely fell apart, new offensive scheme took defenses by surprise, etc. - this has not been a serious football team since Mike came to town.

Find the right coach, and this team could be a contender in a year or two. We see it happen over and over and over again around the league. It's our turn.[/quote]

Denver was 8-8, 8-8, 4-12, 8-8 prior to Peytons arrival. They went 13-3 when Peyton got there. If thats what you call winning prior to Peytons arrival. What... The... Hell...

The year Tebow played, they won the division at 8-8. That division was pretty bad prior to this year. Even so, its mainly Denver and the Chiefs this year, and the Chiefs were actually a talented team last year based on how many players went to the pro bowl.

You also dont ever acknowledge the shape of this team prior to Mikes arrival. Old, terrible, and in horrible cap shape. Even without the Haynesworth and Dhall contracts that got us the cap penalty, we would have still been in terrible cap shape. Since not only would we still have their guaranteed money to deal with, meaning we wouldnt have been able to cut them, we would have been dealing with their annual salaries on the books as well, since we wouldnt have been able to cut them. That means even worse teams talent wise than getting the guaranteed money into the uncapped year and dealing with almost 19 mil less cap space that most teams.

Mike did not take over a team with good players that couldnt get it done under the prior coaches, such as San Fran, Seattle, and the Chiefs. He took over a train wreck. The assumption that anyone was turning this team around in a couple of years is a joke. About the only one who could have done that was Gibbs, and if we are basing firing a coach based on being as good as Gibbs, then 30 HC's in the NFL are being fired this year, maybe even all 32.

Am I going to cry if Kyle or Haslett get fired? No... But to continue to claim that this team was a Super Bowl caliber team when Mike arrived to continue your notion that its all Mikes fault is laughable at best.

But then again, you havent said anything else since his arrival, even after they won the division for the first time since 99' last year.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1028040]This may be the dumbest post in your long history of dumb posts here. It reeks of ignorance, and brings the down the value and quality of this site. Don't post crap like this again here[/QUOTE]

It's not levity? I'm with the Smack on this.

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