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Gallop Poll......

I know it's there business ,I just don't agree it's a good cross section of Americans .



[url=http://www.gallup.com/poll/165563/remains-divided-passing-stricter-gun-laws.aspx]U.S. Remains Divided Over Passing Stricter Gun Laws[/url]

[B]Survey Methods[/B]
Results for this Gallup poll are based on telephone interviews conducted Oct. 3-6, 2013, with a random sample of 1,028 adults, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia.
For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the margin of sampling error is ±4 percentage points.
for this Gallup poll are based on telephone interviews conducted MM DD, 2013, with a random sample of x,xxx adults, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia.
For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the margin of sampling error is ±x percentage points.
Interviews are conducted with respondents on landline telephones and cellular phones, with interviews conducted in Spanish for respondents who are primarily Spanish-speaking. Each sample of national adults includes a minimum quota of 50% cellphone respondents and 50% landline respondents, with additional minimum quotas by region. Landline and cell telephone numbers are selected using random-digit-dial methods. Landline respondents are chosen at random within each household on the basis of which member had the most recent birthday.
Samples are weighted to correct for unequal selection probability, nonresponse, and double coverage of landline and cell users in the two sampling frames. They are also weighted to match the national demographics of gender, age, race, Hispanic ethnicity, education, region, population density, and phone status (cellphone only/landline only/both, and cellphone mostly). Demographic weighting targets are based on the March 2012 Current Population Survey figures for the aged 18 and older U.S. population. Phone status targets are based on the July-December 2011 National Health Interview Survey. Population density targets are based on the 2010 census. All reported margins of sampling error include the computed design effects for weighting.
In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.

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I'll give firstdown credit. I don't agree with his arguments but at least he recognizes that something must be done to protect people. Unlike others who have argued for a bloody status quo, he is not in insensitive denial of the problems created by gun violence.

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[url=http://wtvr.com/2013/10/28/500-kids-die-7500-injured-by-guns-yearly/]500 kids die, 7,500 injured by guns yearly | WTVR.com[/url]

increasing folks

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Read the report, it's mostly and conveniently using the word 'child' to describe 15-19 year olds. It should read 'juvenile'.

Coincidentally, it's also the age of the [URL="http://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/survey-analysis/demographics"]40%-60%[/URL] (depending on urban/suburban split) of gang bangers.

So before you go to sleep at night having nightmares about 2 year old's toting Magnum .45's try adding a little rational thought to your deliberately misleading post.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1036779]Read the report, it's mostly and conveniently using the word 'child' to describe 15-19 year olds. It should read 'juvenile'.

Coincidentally, it's also the age of the [URL="http://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/survey-analysis/demographics"]40%-60%[/URL] (depending on urban/suburban split) of gang bangers.

So before you go to sleep at night having nightmares about 2 year old's toting Magnum .45's try adding a little rational thought to your deliberately misleading post.[/quote]

That's an odd claim. If you read the report on the AAP site (and the study was presented at its conference), it says nothing about ages like you claim.
[url=http://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-aap/aap-press-room/Pages/Prevalence-of-Household-Gun-Ownership-Linked-to-Child-Gun-Shot-Wounds.aspx]Prevalence of Household Gun Ownership Linked to Child Gun Shot Wounds[/url]

What it does say, and which you omit to add, is this claim, found right in the title: "Prevalence of Household Gun Ownership Linked to Child Gun Shot Wounds." That's rather different than talking about gang members. So whose post was misleading?

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[quote=Lotus;1036780]That's an odd claim. If you read the summary on the AAP site (and the study was presented at its conference), it says nothing about ages.
[URL="http://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-aap/aap-press-room/Pages/Prevalence-of-Household-Gun-Ownership-Linked-to-Child-Gun-Shot-Wounds.aspx"]Prevalence of Household Gun Ownership Linked to Child Gun Shot Wounds[/URL]

What it does say, and which you omit to add, is this claim, found right in the title: "Prevalence of Household Gun Ownership Linked to Child Gun Shot Wounds." That's rather different than talking about gang members. So whose post was misleading?[/quote]

I read one of the sources the data was taken from:

[URL="http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/130/5/e1416.full?sid=0fd76a3f-2ca9-4069-9960-8c889def313a"]Firearm-Related Injuries Affecting the Pediatric Population[/URL]

And here's the [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/United States Childhood Gun-Violence – Disturbing Trends"]link[/URL] from the AAP Conference with the title - '[I]United States Childhood Gun-Violence – Disturbing Trends[/I]'

After clicking through lots of links and related articles, it sounds to me like an attempt to fund a project that got de-funded a while back.

The study does cite its sources, and, despite better things to do this evening, I drilled down far enough to see how they'd skewed the data. You're welcome to do the same.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1036795]I read one of the sources the data was taken from:

[URL="http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/130/5/e1416.full?sid=0fd76a3f-2ca9-4069-9960-8c889def313a"]Firearm-Related Injuries Affecting the Pediatric Population[/URL]

And here's the [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/United States Childhood Gun-Violence – Disturbing Trends"]link[/URL] from the AAP Conference with the title - '[I]United States Childhood Gun-Violence – Disturbing Trends[/I]'

After clicking through lots of links and related articles, it sounds to me like an attempt to fund a project that got de-funded a while back.

The study does cite its sources, and, despite better things to do this evening, I drilled down far enough to see how they'd skewed the data. You're welcome to do the same.[/quote]

You did not read your own link clearly. For example, you missed this important tidbit:
"For children 5 to 14 years of age, firearm suicide rates were 8 times higher, and death rates from unintentional firearm injuries were 10 times higher in the United States than other high-income countries. The difference in rates may be related to the ease of availability of guns in the United States compared with other high-income countries."

That's pretty damning stuff for the gun status quo.

The 15-19 age group was just one age group discussed in the link you posted, which was just one source of the report cited above. The report cited above stands.

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[quote=Lotus;1036796]You did not read your own link clearly. [/quote]

Yes, I did.

[quote=Lotus;1036796]For example, you missed this important tidbit:
"For children 5 to 14 years of age, firearm suicide rates were 8 times higher, and death rates from unintentional firearm injuries were 10 times higher in the United States than other high-income countries. The difference in rates may be related to the ease of availability of guns in the United States compared with other high-income countries."

That's pretty damning stuff for the gun status quo.[/quote]

I guess it depends which country you use as your control:

[URL="http://www.npr.org/2013/03/19/174758723/facing-switzerland-gun-culture"]NPR - Swiss Gun Culture[/URL]

[I]The study reviewed 158 Swiss murders and suicides that took place between 1991 and 2008. It found 90 percent of the cases involved firearms[/I].

[quote=Lotus;1036796]The 15-19 age group was just one age group discussed in the link you posted, which was just one source of the report cited above. The report cited above stands.[/quote]

Mainly because it's by far the largest amount of fatalities, deliberately included to skew the data and raise the level of horror, for obvious reasons. Drop that group out (which clearly includes gang-bangers and wannabe's) and the figure drops remarkably, thus undermining the hair-on-fire thrust.

The report is odious and predictable. I'm on a four day weekend, should be a lively one.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1037272]Yes, I did.



I guess it depends which country you use as your control:

[URL="http://www.npr.org/2013/03/19/174758723/facing-switzerland-gun-culture"]NPR - Swiss Gun Culture[/URL]

[I]The study reviewed 158 Swiss murders and suicides that took place between 1991 and 2008. It found 90 percent of the cases involved firearms[/I].



Mainly because it's by far the largest amount of fatalities, deliberately included to skew the data and raise the level of horror, for obvious reasons. Drop that group out (which clearly includes gang-bangers and wannabe's) and the figure drops remarkably, thus undermining the hair-on-fire thrust.

The report is odious and predictable. I'm on a four day weekend, should be a lively one.[/quote]

Once again you failed to read your own link. For example, you overlooked this bit: "Firearm deaths in Switzerland take place at just one-seventh the rate that they occur in the United States."

So it's only 1/7 the death rate in Switzerland compared to the USA, rather than the 1/10 number listed by the other report for other countries. Either way, those data are clear: the United States has gun violence problem far exceeding that of other prosperous countries.

The inclusion of the 15-19 age group in the other report simply makes it complete. It would be poor science to leave out statistics regarding an age group simply because they are inconvenient for your belief. Besides, inclusion of the 15-19 age group does absolutely nothing to change this passage, which you continue to ignore:

"For children 5 to 14 years of age, firearm suicide rates were 8 times higher, and death rates from unintentional firearm injuries were 10 times higher in the United States than other high-income countries. The difference in rates may be related to the ease of availability of guns in the United States compared with other high-income countries."

So either you are in denial or you won't admit that your view is wrong. Either way, until you argue in good faith you are pointless as a conversation partner.

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[url=http://www.nbc12.com/story/23851998/suspected-lax-shooter-identified-tsa-agent-dead]Man opens fire at LAX security checkpoint - NBC12.com - Richmond, VA News[/url]

not gonna stop

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[quote=Chico23231;1037564][URL="http://www.nbc12.com/story/23851998/suspected-lax-shooter-identified-tsa-agent-dead"]Man opens fire at LAX security checkpoint - NBC12.com - Richmond, VA News[/URL]

not gonna stop[/quote]

CA has some of the strictest gun laws in the country, this should be further evidence that more restrictive gun laws won't stop a determined maniac. Friends, family and society need to take a greater role in making it safer.

On another note, Banksy may be the best artist of our time.

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[quote=Lotus;1037290]Once again you failed to read your own link.[/quote]

I read it and, unlike you, understand the underlying numbers.

[quote=Lotus;1037290]For example, you overlooked this bit: "Firearm deaths in Switzerland take place at just one-seventh the rate that they occur in the United States."[/quote]

The Swiss (and a majority of other gun-toting countries) don't have our pervasive gang problem, where the 'children' are included in the gun crime rates.

[quote=Lotus;1037290]So it's only 1/7 the death rate in Switzerland compared to the USA, rather than the 1/10 number listed by the other report for other countries. Either way, those data are clear: the United States has gun violence problem far exceeding that of other prosperous countries.[/quote]

See above.

[quote=Lotus;1037290]The inclusion of the 15-19 age group in the other report simply makes it complete. [/quote]

Nonsense, it makes for hysteria, which is what the media and anti-freedom, anti-gun groups want

[quote=Lotus;1037290]It would be poor science to leave out statistics regarding an age group simply because they are inconvenient for your belief. [/quote]

Or you could be honest and recognize that this age group completely skews the data.

[quote=Lotus;1037290]Besides, inclusion of the 15-19 age group does absolutely nothing to change this passage, which you continue to ignore:
"For children 5 to 14 years of age, firearm suicide rates were 8 times higher, and death rates from unintentional firearm injuries were 10 times higher in the United States than other high-income countries. The difference in rates may be related to the ease of availability of guns in the United States compared with other high-income countries."[/quote]

Interestingly, breaking out the data of gun deaths of the 5-14 year olds is remarkably difficult, wich would suggest that we can probably discount the amount up to 12 year olds.

[quote=Lotus;1037290]So either you are in denial or you won't admit that your view is wrong. Either way, until you argue in good faith you are pointless as a conversation partner.[/quote]

Try to be honest, Lotus. Can you reasonably compare the intention that a young teen has to commit an act of violence with a handgun to that of a 5 year old?

There's no way I'd state that a 5 year old has never been harmed with a gun, I'm sure it's happened. But to make it sound like it's an epidemic is dishonest scaremongering.

The numbers are being deliberately distorted by the inclusion of gang-related gun crime. We can't have an honest discussion if the numbers are not accurately stated.

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RR,

Typing on my phone so please excuse any spelling, etc.

1. Saying a state or city have restrictive gun laws is silly. It's very easy to go to a neighboring state and buy a gun and bring it back home. Unless we have uniform laws that is a flimsy argument.

2. Banksy is our beat artist. He is amazing.

3. Look at the swiss. Plenty of guns, hard to get bullets. Bullets are closely guarded and are typically purchased and used just at the range.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1037590]CA has some of the strictest gun laws in the country, this should be further evidence that more restrictive gun laws won't stop a determined maniac. Friends, family and society need to take a greater role in making it safer.

On another note, Banksy may be the best artist of our time.[/quote]

Banksy is amazing. Think I'm going to NYC the weekend after Christmas, hopefully they I can see some pieces. The hustler club piece is amazing. My sis live in the upper east side she seen a couple. Can't wait to be smoking skunk in NYC checking out Banksy works.

[QUOTE=Daseal;1037610] RR,

Typing on my phone so please excuse any spelling, etc. [/QUOTE]

Me too!

[QUOTE=Daseal;1037610]1 . Saying a state or city have restrictive gun laws is silly. It's very easy to go to a neighboring state and buy a gun and bring it back home. Unless we have uniform laws that is a flimsy argument. [/QUOTE]

Then why are some people suggesting that more restrictive gun laws would help? Even uniform laws, given the availability across the border of illicit firearms and ammunition, make any law questionable.

[QUOTE=Daseal;1037610] 2. Banksy is our beat artist. He is amazing. [/QUOTE]

I saw an exhibit of his stuff at LACMA, my favorite is the Rodney King piñata picture.

[QUOTE=Daseal;1037610] 3. Look at the swiss. Plenty of guns, hard to get bullets. Bullets are closely guarded and are typically purchased and used just at the range.[/QUOTE]

Except if you REALLY want ammunition you go to Eastern Europe. There's always a way.

People need to be more supportive and caring.

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[QUOTE=Lotus;1036796]You did not read your own link clearly. For example, you missed this important tidbit:
"For children 5 to 14 years of age, firearm suicide rates were 8 times higher, and death rates from unintentional firearm injuries were 10 times higher in the United States than other high-income countries. The difference in rates may be related to the ease of availability of guns in the United States compared with other high-income countries."

That's pretty damning stuff for the gun status quo.

The 15-19 age group was just one age group discussed in the link you posted, which was just one source of the report cited above. The report cited above stands.[/QUOTE]

When you start talking about children accessing guns in their own household, I'm sorry but how is that in anyway my problem. If someone can't do their due diligence and store their guns properly then society as a whole has to pay the price? That's a terrible argument in my opinion.

If you want to talk about tougher restrictions to buying firearms, like longer waiting periods or more extensive background checks, I'm all ears. Telling me my right to own a firearm should be restricted cause some idiot can't teach their children about gun safety is asinine.

And I completely agree on Banksy, love his stuff.

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[quote=mlmdub130;1037627]When you start talking about children accessing guns in their own household, I'm sorry but how is that in anyway my problem. If someone can't do their due diligence and store their guns properly then society as a whole has to pay the price? That's a terrible argument in my opinion.

If you want to talk about tougher restrictions to buying firearms, like longer waiting periods or more extensive background checks, I'm all ears. Telling me my right to own a firearm should be restricted cause some idiot can't teach their children about gun safety is asinine.

And I completely agree on Banksy, love his stuff.[/quote]

We have ten times the death rate for kids under 14 from guns than other prosperous countries. Ten times. There's obviously more going on than just people who can't store their guns correctly.

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[quote=mlmdub130;1037627]When you start talking about children accessing guns in their own household, I'm sorry but how is that in anyway my problem. If someone can't do their due diligence and store their guns properly then society as a whole has to pay the price? That's a terrible argument in my opinion.

If you want to talk about tougher restrictions to buying firearms, like longer waiting periods or more extensive background checks, I'm all ears. Telling me my right to own a firearm should be restricted cause some idiot can't teach their children about gun safety is asinine.

And I completely agree on Banksy, love his stuff.[/quote]

Most guns used by kids don't come from the parents.

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[quote=Lotus;1038411]We have ten times the death rate for kids under 14 from guns than other prosperous countries. Ten times. There's obviously more going on than just people who can't store their guns correctly.[/quote]

Your right. We have a population that is having kids and not giving a shit what they are doing, who they are doing it with, etc... I'm sorry when I here abbout a 14 yr old getting shot on a Tuesday Night at 1:00am my first thought is where the hell are the parents? Why is the kid out so late on a school night? Until we change the culture nothing will change. This even carries over to why we spend more on education and still falling behind.

[QUOTE=Lotus;1038411]We have ten times the death rate for kids under 14 from guns than other prosperous countries. Ten times. There's obviously more going on than just people who can't store their guns correctly.[/QUOTE]

Gang culture, as I said earlier. It's a deliberate falsehood to treat this as if we have gun-toting 5 year olds roaming free.

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[quote=firstdown;1038502]Most guns used by kids don't come from the parents.[/quote]really , break down kids , and any links ?

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.....another gun enthusiast out for fun .

[url=http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/04/us/new-jersey-mall-shooting/]Shooter on the loose at New Jersey mall - CNN.com[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;1038680].....another gun enthusiast out for fun .

[URL="http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/04/us/new-jersey-mall-shooting/"]Shooter on the loose at New Jersey mall - CNN.com[/URL][/quote]

What's your point?

* Guns used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year -- or about 6,850 times a day. [1] This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives. [2]
* Of the 2.5 million times citizens use their guns to defend themselves every year, the overwhelming majority merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers. Less than 8% of the time, a citizen will kill or wound his/her attacker.[3]
* As many as 200,000 women use a gun every year to defend themselves against sexual abuse.[4]
* Even anti-gun Clinton researchers concede that guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self-defense. According to the Clinton Justice Department, there are as many as 1.5 million cases of self-defense every year. The National Institute of Justice published this figure in 1997 as part of "Guns in America" -- a study which was authored by noted anti-gun criminologists Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig.[5]
* Armed citizens kill more crooks than do the police. Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606).[6] And readers of Newsweek learned that "only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The 'error rate' for the police, however, was 11 percent, more than five times as high."[7]


[SIZE=1][/SIZE][SIZE=1][I][1] Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz, "Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense With a Gun," 86 The Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, Northwestern University School of Law, 1 (Fall 1995):164. Dr. Kleck is a professor in the school of criminology and criminal justice at Florida State University in Tallahassee. He has researched extensively and published several essays on the gun control issue. His book, Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America, has become a widely cited source in the gun control debate.
[/I][/SIZE]
[SIZE=1][/SIZE][SIZE=1][I][2] According to the National Safety Council, the total number of gun deaths (by accidents, suicides and homicides) account for less than 30,000 deaths per year. See Injury Facts, published yearly by the National Safety Council, Itasca, Illinois.[/I][/SIZE]
[SIZE=1][/SIZE][SIZE=1][I][3] Kleck and Gertz, "Armed Resistance to Crime," at 173, 185.[/I][/SIZE]
[SIZE=1][/SIZE][SIZE=1][I][4]Kleck and Gertz, "Armed Resistance to Crime," at 185.[/I][/SIZE]
[SIZE=1][/SIZE][SIZE=1][I][5]Philip J. Cook and Jens Ludwig, "Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms," NIJ Research in Brief (May 1997); available at [URL]http://www.ncjrs.org/txtfiles/165476.txt[/URL] on the internet.
[/I][/SIZE]
[SIZE=1][/SIZE][SIZE=1][I][6]Kleck, Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America, (1991):111-116, 148.[/I][/SIZE]
[SIZE=1][I][7]George F. Will, "Are We 'a Nation of Cowards'?," Newsweek (15 November 1993):93.[/I][/SIZE]

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[quote=Giantone;1038680].....another gun enthusiast out for fun .

[url=http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/04/us/new-jersey-mall-shooting/]Shooter on the loose at New Jersey mall - CNN.com[/url][/quote]

its becoming a weekly occurance. sad. I wish the media would stop giving so much time to these people, but hey the more clicks, more advertising, money>general good of society. sad as well.

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Humans are always programmed to look at the worst case scenarios. If someone is brinigng in the groceries with their arms full and they drop their eggs they always make a comment. Nobody comments on the thousands of times thet do it and don't break their eggs. The same is for gun violence. This is a highly devisive issue and I am not sure of the answer. I do believe in an individuals right to own guns, but I also know the statistics of how 75% of guns used in Mexican cartel violence were purchased legally in the U.S. and how over 50% of guns used for crimes in the U.S. that are recovered were stolen from law abiding citizens who don't take (in my mind) proper precautions.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1038700]Humans are always programmed to look at the worst case scenarios. If someone is brinigng in the groceries with their arms full and they drop their eggs they always make a comment. Nobody comments on the thousands of times thet do it and don't break their eggs. The same is for gun violence. This is a highly devisive issue and I am not sure of the answer. I do believe in an individuals right to own guns, but I also know the statistics of how 75% of guns used in Mexican cartel violence were purchased legally in the U.S. and how over 50% of guns used for crimes in the U.S. that are recovered were stolen from law abiding citizens who don't take (in my mind) proper precautions.[/quote]

Don't forget that repressive regimes around the world use US-gotten guns to enforce their power.

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More dead kids, this time in Pittsburgh.

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/13/pittsburgh-high-school-shooting/3518621/]3 Pittsburgh students ambushed outside school[/url]

[QUOTE=Lotus;1040780]More dead kids, this time in Pittsburgh.

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/13/pittsburgh-high-school-shooting/3518621/]3 Pittsburgh students ambushed outside school[/url][/QUOTE]

If you are going to post an article you should probably read it first.

It was 3 young adults wounded with non life threatening wounds. And it was allegedly related to a drug deal gone bad a week or so prior.

When the facts are represented it has a little different tone than, more dead kids again.

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mlmdub130 :goodjob:

Lotus :laughing2

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[quote=Lotus;1038760]Don't forget that repressive regimes around the world use US-gotten guns to enforce their power.[/quote]

Can we get a list of regimes? Oh, and could you also list the regimes getting their weapons elsewhere? Maybe throw in the organization deciding who's repressive and what constitutes repression? Is the U.S. listed yet?

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[QUOTE=RedskinRat;1040825]Can we get a list of regimes? Oh, and could you also list the regimes getting their weapons elsewhere? Maybe throw in the organization deciding who's repressive and what constitutes repression? [B]Is the U.S. listed yet?[/[/B]QUOTE]

You sound an awful lot like my biological father. He is a fundmaental baptist.:silly:

[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1040858]
You sound an awful lot like my biological father. He is a fundmaental baptist.:silly:[/QUOTE]

We were probably separated at birth.

When someone makes a glaringly rhetorical all-encompassing statement I like a few facts to be included. That's generally enough of a request to flush their argument away.

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[quote=mlmdub130;1040822]If you are going to post an article you should probably read it first.

It was 3 young adults wounded with non life threatening wounds. And it was allegedly related to a drug deal gone bad a week or so prior.

When the facts are represented it has a little different tone than, more dead kids again.[/quote]


1) It's at a high school ,while school was in .17 and 16 year olds are still kids.
2) there was no mention of a "drug deal gone bad" in the link
3) ...so because the shooter or shooters only grazed the victims it doesn't really count ,wow.

....you and RR are typical gun nuts ,spin, spin, spin.

[QUOTE=Giantone;1040921]1)
<SNIP>
....you and RR are typical gun nuts ,spin, spin, spin.[/QUOTE]

You and Lotus should start a drum circle, attract some peace loving Sasquatch.

You both lie to further the agenda. Momma State will protect you.


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[quote=RedskinRat;1040931]You and Lotus should start a drum circle, attract some peace loving Sasquatch.

You both lie to further the agenda. Momma State will protect you.


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LOL , NRA rule #101 , when spin doesn't work attack and call them liars .

[QUOTE=Giantone;1040921]1) It's at a high school ,while school was in .17 and 16 year olds are still kids.
2) there was no mention of a "drug deal gone bad" in the link
3) ...so because the shooter or shooters only grazed the victims it doesn't really count ,wow.

....you and RR are typical gun nuts ,spin, spin, spin.[/QUOTE]

Just because you read one article that is written with an agenda doesn't mean that's what's going on. The sad and unfortunate truth is you really can't believe anything you read in the news anymore. If you read a few different articles you get a view of the bigger picture.

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[quote=Giantone;1040950]LOL , NRA rule #101 , when spin doesn't work attack and call them liars .[/quote]

If you tell lies I'll call you on it, NRA affiliation notwithstanding.

To represent a group of gun deaths as 'children' when the overwhelming majority are gang-bangers would be laughable, if not for the seriousness of the topic.

From the CDC/FBI figures I've been able to separate out it's 0.2% kids under 10 years old, attributable to accidents exacerbated by piss-poor gun safety (i.e. not securing and restricting access to the weapon), the vast majority of the remainder are primarily in the 14-19 age group and are gang related. This totally skews the data and misrepresents the societal cause.

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[quote=mlmdub130;1040822]If you are going to post an article you should probably read it first.

It was 3 young adults wounded with non life threatening wounds. And it was allegedly related to a drug deal gone bad a week or so prior.

When the facts are represented it has a little different tone than, more dead kids again.[/quote]

All of them were minors, under 18 years old. That makes them kids. To be an adult, "young" or not, requires being at least age 18.

The tv news wrongly told me of fatalities, so I will edit my remarks: "More kids shot."

So there you go, everyone is now happy: More Kids Shot.

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So there you go, everyone is now happy: More Kids Shot.[/QUOTE]

In the same way that religious adherents that kill in the name of their god are just devout.

Keep the lies and half-truths coming, it gets more amusing each time.

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Re: Another school Shooting Nevada
 

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Keep the lies and half-truths coming, it gets more amusing each time.
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I expect as much from a NRA devotee