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[quote=saden1;1042765]There are four kinds of people I loath... liars, hypocrites, egotists, and downright dummies.[/quote]


hypocrite = Mike, egotists = Kyle, downright dummy = Keith Burns

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Truth be told the Redskins scored 16 points because he went off script. If he had've stayed on script the Redskins would have scored 0. Following the script the score was 0. He gave Robinson a chance to make a play.

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[quote=Gmanc711;1042740]I don't think Shannahan would win the RG3 vs Shannahan battle when it comes to Dan Snyder.[/quote]We'll find out shortly after 5pm or so on Dec. 29th....I hope and pray you're right or we'll eventually lose RG3 and everything we invested to get him.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1042759]I am curious, for those who don't think RG3 is the franchise QB, do we spend the next few years waiting and hoping for the next franchise QB to come along in the draft or do people honestly think Cousins has the skill set to be a franchise QB? Personally I think Cousins is an Alex Smith or Matt Flynn game manager type QB. That generally doesn't get you to the promised land and I would rather spend time finding out if RG3 truly has what it takes than to spend time on someone who doesn't.[/quote]

When I say RG3 is not a franchise QB, I am just focusing on his current status. I believe he has the tools to become our franchise QB and one of the faces of the NFL. In my opinion, he's not there yet. Franchise QBs don't have 10 INTs and 10 Fumbles at this point in the season. I believe we can develop him further and I believe next season will be critical for where his career goes, assuming he doesn't get hurt here on out and gets a full offseason of work.

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If robby has another 4 yard half.... can we please just play Kirk?
If we end up below .500.... can we please have new coaches?
I'm just going to attend much more Oriole games this year and say F- the Skins games.
Its almost to the point of not even turning on watching the game on high definition. I'll just play it on the radio and do house chores or some shit. Probably take the girlfriend out and do what she wants.

Another wasted Fall/Winter/Redskin season.
Even the Washington Generals pulled out wins from time to time.
Were not even good enough for generals, Were the Washington Privates

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[quote=Green Monk Machine;1042814]If robby has another 4 yard half.... can we please just play Kirk?
If we end up below .500.... can we please have new coaches?
I'm just going to attend much more Oriole games this year and say F- the Skins games.
Its almost to the point of not even turning on watching the game on high definition. I'll just play it on the radio and do house chores or some shit. Probably take the girlfriend out and do what she wants.

Another wasted Fall/Winter/Redskin season.
Even the Washington Generals pulled out wins from time to time.
Were not even good enough for generals, Were the Washington Privates[/quote]


Thank god I have the OKC THUNDER

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1042815]Thank god I have the OKC THUNDER[/quote]

If only they still had James Harden

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/11/20/robert-griffin-iii-is-missing-opportunities-in-the-passing-game/?tid=up_next]Robert Griffin III is struggling with his mechanics and missing opportunities[/url]


Pretty good break down.

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[quote=donofriose;1042816]If only they still had James Harden[/quote]


Still got KD and Russ

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[quote=Green Monk Machine;1042814]If robby has another 4 yard half.... can we please just play Kirk?
If we end up below .500.... can we please have new coaches?
I'm just going to attend much more Oriole games this year and say F- the Skins games.
Its almost to the point of not even turning on watching the game on high definition. I'll just play it on the radio and do house chores or some shit. Probably take the girlfriend out and do what she wants.

Another wasted Fall/Winter/Redskin season.
Even the Washington Generals pulled out wins from time to time.
Were not even good enough for generals, Were the Washington Privates[/quote]
cousins is terrible.

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It's not the QB folks , it's the entire system and players as a whole

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1042820]cousins is terrible.[/quote]

you mean like <4 yds in the 1st half terrible or terrible in Kyles Read Option b/c a system change like we saw in Cleveland is the direction we need to go vs Read Option and 2013 seasoning it for the next decade

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[quote=Mattyk;1042624]I think this rough season could be a good thing for Griffin in the long run. Everyone needs a reality check sometimes.[/quote]

Agreed. A dose of reality this year. Next year another weapon or two, better blocking, improved coaching/scheme/play-calling.

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More goodies.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000285218/article/report-rgiii-called-the-wrong-protection-on-final-int]RGIII reportedly called wrong protection on final INT - NFL.com[/url]

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Just watched NFL Live on DVR with discussion of skins troubles. They played RG's press conference and first and foremost there's nothing about RG that says he's arrogent to the point of clouding his perspective. He's sharp and wants to win. He also recognizes the situation he's in IMO.

That situation, and the way it's being handled by the sports media, is becoming disgraceful. When you look at the myriad mistakes Shanny made with this team, from his disastrous handling of the defense, disastrous handling of the coaching staff namely his goofy kid and washed up d coordinator, and last but not least knee-gate from last season, I find it insulting to human intelligence and basic decency how the talking heads discuss the piss poor shape of the team and RG as having anything to do with each other.

Short of a tragic injury, RG should be in pro football long beyond anyone named Shanahan. I just can't understand how anyone can look at the last 4 seasons objectively and then try to justify either father or son working in pro football beyond this season. RG said what everybody should know, defenses know the Shanahan's playbook and tendencies better than the coaches themselves. This legacy shit, keeping Mike and Kyle employed, has to stop.

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[quote=The Goat;1042840]Short of a tragic injury, RG should be in pro football long beyond anyone named Shanahan. [/quote]





:laughing2


Kyle is going to have a long career in the NFL.

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[quote=Southpaw;1042802]

And 'showcasing' Cousins at this point would do nothing except lower his perceived value.[/quote]The big point I hope people take away from this thread if nothing else. Good post.

[QUOTE=Gary84Clark;1042820]cousins is terrible.[/QUOTE]

Looked pretty damn good coming into a huge spot and beating the eventual superbowl champs last year. Looked pretty freaking awesome kicking the crap out of the browns in a must win last year. He threw a bad pick in his first action ever - cold off the pine - against Atlanta last year, but also threw a beautiful td pass to Moss. As for this year - came in cold - and threw a bad pick six, but looked halfway decent after that. Pretty difficult to come in every once in a blue moon without any first team reps and look good, but Id say he has passed the eye test imo. I think terrible is .... Well ....a terrible word choice to describe the limited action we have seen from him thus far.

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[quote=punch it in;1042852]I think terrible is .... Well ....a terrible word choice to describe the limited action we have seen from him thus far.[/quote]

About equal to people thinking he's a better option than Griffin, using the same limited action as evidence.

The dude has played one complete game against a garbage football team and people assume he's somehow better than Griffin. It's mind-numbingly ridiculous. Especially considering all of the other 'eye test' evidence points to so-so arm strength, and the potential to be a turnover machine.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1042818][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/11/20/robert-griffin-iii-is-missing-opportunities-in-the-passing-game/?tid=up_next]Robert Griffin III is struggling with his mechanics and missing opportunities[/url]


Pretty good break down.[/quote]

And Greg Cosell went on the radio today and said RG3 missed plays the entire game against the Eagles. He wasn't anticipating breaks, was hesitant and held onto the ball too long. He also said his mechanics were all over the map and he was unnecessarily throwing from different angles, which contributed to his inaccuracy. Guys were open and RG3 missed them, yet it's all Shannahan's fault. Got it.

Then news breaks late in the day that RG3 called the wrong protection on the last play. But let's blame the O-line.

This kind of reminds me of 2007 when Jason Campbell was getting pummeled and there were no running lanes for Clinton Portiis. Campbell apologists put all the blame on the O-line. Then, low and behold, Todd Collins comes in and never gets touched and Portis suddenly has gaping holes to run through. Just maybe Collins knew what protections to call, was able to anticipate what the Defense was going to do BEFORE the ball got snapped and therefore, got rid of the damn ball instead of holding onto it. Maybe Defenses couldn't blitz him like they could Campbell.

RG3 just may lead this team to the promised land one day, but right now he's average. His mechanics need work, he has poor pocket awareness, he fumbles like Rex, gets balls batted down too frequently, can't slide and is inaccurate. On top of that, there seems to be growing evidence that he has trouble reading Defenses and can't anticipate what's going to happen pre-snap.

Good news is that he's only in his second year and can and probably will improve. But the onus is on him and blaming the coaching, the system or the O-line is loser talk and only deflects accountability.

[QUOTE=Southpaw;1042857]About equal to people thinking he's a better option than Griffin, using the same limited action as evidence.

The dude has played one complete game against a garbage football team and people assume he's somehow better than Griffin. It's mind-numbingly ridiculous. Especially considering all of the other 'eye test' evidence points to so-so arm strength, and the potential to be a turnover machine.[/QUOTE]

How did I know someone would turn my opinion on Cousins into me saying he is better than Griff. Lol.

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RG3 spent the offseason rehabbing his knee instead of practicing football. For a long tenured vet like Peyton Manning missing an offseason doesnt matter so much but for a 2nd year QB it matters a lot. In a lot of ways 2013 was finished when RG3 went down in last year's playoff game and unfortunately his quick comeback gave a lot of fans false hope. Like I said in a prior post I'd be much more worried if I was a SF fan since Kapernick had a full offseason and has been terrible.

Its amazing that anyone would even think RG3 isnt the Skins franchise QB. IMO all the years of losing have made Skins fans doubt the Skins drafting ability and believe that the grass is greener with a QB another team found. Stick with RG3, he will be fine. My real concern with RG3 is his durability.

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[quote=irish;1042872]RG3 spent the offseason rehabbing his knee instead of practicing football. For a long tenured vet like Peyton Manning missing an offseason doesnt matter so much but for a 2nd year QB it matters a lot. In a lot of ways 2013 was finished when RG3 went down in last year's playoff game and unfortunately his quick comeback gave a lot of fans false hope. Like I said in a prior post I'd be much more worried if I was a SF fan since Kapernick had a full offseason and has been terrible.

Its amazing that anyone would even think RG3 isnt the Skins franchise QB. IMO all the years of losing have made Skins fans doubt the Skins drafting ability and believe that the grass is greener with a QB another team found. Stick with RG3, he will be fine. My real concern with RG3 is his durability.[/quote]

I agree with you completely Irish! 100% spot on.

^ actually all the years of losing have nothing to do with the draft or qb's. It is clearly due to the fact that Joe Gibbs sold the Redskins soul to the devil (he is too much of a God fearing man to sell his own), and the curse of the Oneida tribe.

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RG3 is McNabb now? Please, it's the same old game.

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[quote=44Deezel;1042860]And Greg Cosell went on the radio today and said RG3 missed plays the entire game against the Eagles. [B]He wasn't anticipating breaks, was hesitant and held onto the ball too long. He also said his mechanics were all over the map and he was unnecessarily throwing from different angles, which contributed to his inaccuracy.[/B] Guys were open and RG3 missed them, yet it's all Shannahan's fault. Got it.

Then news breaks late in the day that RG3 called the wrong protection on the last play. But let's blame the O-line.

This kind of reminds me of 2007 when Jason Campbell was getting pummeled and there were no running lanes for Clinton Portiis. Campbell apologists put all the blame on the O-line. Then, low and behold, Todd Collins comes in and never gets touched and Portis suddenly has gaping holes to run through. Just maybe Collins knew what protections to call, was able to anticipate what the Defense was going to do BEFORE the ball got snapped and therefore, got rid of the damn ball instead of holding onto it. Maybe Defenses couldn't blitz him like they could Campbell.

RG3 just may lead this team to the promised land one day, [B]but right now he's average. His mechanics need work, he has poor pocket awareness, he fumbles like Rex, gets balls batted down too frequently, can't slide and is inaccurate. On top of that, there seems to be growing evidence that he has trouble reading Defenses and can't anticipate what's going to happen pre-snap. [/B]

Good news is that he's only in his second year and can and probably will improve. But the onus is on him and blaming the coaching, the system or the O-line is loser talk and only deflects accountability.[/quote]More reasons to stick with Griffin. He needs to work in live game situations to improve the mechanical and cerebral aspects of being a professional QB. He will get there eventually. I compare his growing pains to Cam Newton's last year. Cam has looked like a complete QB the last two months.

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Again, I just think having absolutely no offseason to prepare is a huge reason why Griffin III has struggled this year. An offseason where he could have worked on those mechanics, instead, he worked on rehabbing the knee. I'm not sure why people don't consider that?

And also, I just think his rookie season was such a blessing and a curse, because the initial success in his career has led to very inflated expectations. Barring anymore serious, offseason consuming injuries, year three should show a bit more accurate picture of what the 'skins have with RGIII. Give him a full offseason of preparation to work on those mechanics, development of more drop back passing, and give him some upgrades up front to better pass protect. If all the stars line up like that and Robert still appears to show no signs of improvement, then we're in trouble. But all this nitpicking right now is just what it is, nitpicking.

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[quote=44Deezel;1042860]And Greg Cosell went on the radio today and said RG3 missed plays the entire game against the Eagles. He wasn't anticipating breaks, was hesitant and held onto the ball too long. He also said his mechanics were all over the map and he was unnecessarily throwing from different angles, which contributed to his inaccuracy. Guys were open and RG3 missed them, yet it's all Shannahan's fault. Got it.

Then news breaks late in the day that RG3 called the wrong protection on the last play. But let's blame the O-line.

This kind of reminds me of 2007 when Jason Campbell was getting pummeled and there were no running lanes for Clinton Portiis. Campbell apologists put all the blame on the O-line. Then, low and behold, Todd Collins comes in and never gets touched and Portis suddenly has gaping holes to run through. Just maybe Collins knew what protections to call, was able to anticipate what the Defense was going to do BEFORE the ball got snapped and therefore, got rid of the damn ball instead of holding onto it. Maybe Defenses couldn't blitz him like they could Campbell.

RG3 just may lead this team to the promised land one day, but right now he's average. His mechanics need work, he has poor pocket awareness, he fumbles like Rex, gets balls batted down too frequently, can't slide and is inaccurate. On top of that, there seems to be growing evidence that he has trouble reading Defenses and can't anticipate what's going to happen pre-snap.

Good news is that he's only in his second year and can and probably will improve. But the onus is on him and blaming the coaching, the system or the O-line is loser talk and only deflects accountability.[/quote]


RG3 is McNabb now same ole story line. Whatever.

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The move that Shanahan and Snyder needs to make is hire a good QB coach. Greg Knapp comes to mind. Matt Lafleur is Kyle's boy, but we need someone that can develop Robert and help him on his mechanics.

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I wouldn't fault the coaches for his mechanics. The offseason is the time for working on that stuff and with his rehab they simply couldn't do it. Sucks but that's reality.

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Rehab may take a significant part of his offseason time but that should not limit him from studying film, the playbook, opposing defenses or concentrating on mechanics. I relate it to Tiger fixing his golf swing while coming back from injury. You have to practice mechanic in once cleared to throw. Not revert, and blame it on the knee.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1042918]Rehab may take a significant part of his offseason time but that should not limit him from studying film, the playbook, opposing defenses or concentrating on mechanics. I relate it to Tiger fixing his golf swing while coming back from injury. You have to practice mechanic in once cleared to throw. Not revert, and blame it on the knee.[/quote]

He watched plenty of film and got the mental reps, I don't think that was the issue. But when you can't practice what you're watching it doesn't do a ton of good.

I'm pretty sure the majority of his time was spent on rehab, just learning how to walk and run again and he wasn't going full speed and cutting hard until he got close to camp. Again, hard to work on mechanics under those circumstances. Nothing really simulates going full speed in a practice with no limitations.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/11/21/chris-cooley-instructs-redskins-if-you-want-to-be-here-you-better-get-along-with-robert-griffin-iii/]Chris Cooley instructs Redskins: ‘If you want to be here, you better… get along with Robert Griffin IIIâ€�[/url]


[quote]“I think if you want to be here,” Cooley said, “you better find a way to get along with Robert Griffin III.”[/quote]

Wonder if Kyle has gotten this memo yet.

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[QUOTE]“Everything is noticed,” he said. “It’s getting close to being really interesting. I think we’re on the fringe of a breaking point between the coaching staff, team and the quarterback. One win would fix it.”[/QUOTE]

A win in prime time would go a long way to possibly getting things stabilized. This team is desperate for something good to go their way.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1042918]Rehab may take a significant part of his offseason time but that should not limit him from studying film, the playbook, opposing defenses or concentrating on mechanics. I relate it to [B]Tiger fixing his golf swing while coming back from injury[/B]. You have to practice mechanic in once cleared to throw. Not revert, and blame it on the knee.[/quote]

Didn't it take him almost two years to revert back to form? I remember a lot of people thinking he was done after that car accident.

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[quote=Mattyk;1042934]A win in prime time would go a long way to possibly getting things stabilized. This team is desperate for something good to go their way.[/quote]

Unfortunately we almost always take an enormous shit in the bed on prime time.

I mean like at least 20 courics.

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[quote=htownskinfan;1042722]I believe the organization believes RG3 is the franchise qb.
But things need to get under control in that locker room.I said it weeks ago and I still believe it,I think RG3 can be a prima donna and his ego is out of control.So many reports coming out that he's lost the locker room,with Moss's comments and RG3's after the game,its not looking good.
I wish RG3 would have been benched at halftime and the next game too.Sometimes a qb needs to sit on the bench a while and observe and maybe he would get his ego in check.

And I dont believe that bs he said after the game,that he was trying to throw it out of the endzone.He was under pressure and threw it up for grabs and now he's trying to cover his ass.

Also he said after the game no one was open on the play and he didnt have time,which is a subtle shot at his line and receivers.I havent seen the video,but I heard that Helu was open on the play.
He needs to keep his mouth shut to the media and[B][I] talk to the players to clear things up,thats what a leader would do.[/I][/B][/quote]

Well now reports are everythings under control in the locker room.And I see its reported he did have a talk with Moss,so thats a step in right direction.

[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;1042940]an enormous shit in the bed.[/QUOTE]

Ewwwwww......

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I know Kyle will never do this, but trash the RO, 3 men in the back field shit for a week. Spread out the field, mix in hurry up and run what he ran at Baylor. That's where he seems most comfortable. Run what he wants, not what they want. The season is lost so why not?

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1042935]Didn't it take him almost two years to revert back to form? I remember a lot of people thinking he was done after that car accident.[/quote]

Tigers knee surgery was at the end of June 2008, one week after he won the US Open over Rocco Mediate at Torrey Pines. BTW, that is the last major TW has won. That started TW's longest time away from competitive golf. Even when TW started his return he had to curtail his practice and play because his knee still gave him problems and didnt allow him to practice how and how much he needed to.

Watching film is fine but there no substitute for actual reps and building muscle memory. RG3 needed reps last offseason and he didnt get them. Hopefully he gets out of this season healthy and gets those reps.