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Maybe Dan should pull an Al Davis and not pay his ass!!

Re: Mike Shanahan was Ready to Leave Washington after 2012 Season
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1047139]So in your opinion who really screwed up? Both coaches and owner?[/quote]

Situation like this, I don't think anyone should be absolved of some blame

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1047145]Maybe Dan should pull an Al Davis and not pay his ass!![/quote]
I'd love to see Snyder refuse to fire him and make him quit to forfeit the rest of his contract.

Re: Mike Shanahan was Ready to Leave Washington after 2012 Season
 

[quote=Paintrain;1047147]I'd love to see Snyder refuse to fire him and make him quit to forfeit the rest of his contract.[/quote]

The problem with that is Dan needs to hire another coach and he'd have to do it pronto to get a leg up on other people wanting coaches. He can't sit around and still get the guy he may want. If he wants this team to continue to direction it's going, by all means he can keep Mike around.

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[quote=FRPLG;1047141]Everyone needs to read this. More truth in it than almost anything you'll get from post/ESPN.
[url=http://httr24-7.com/blog/mike-shanahans-brilliant-last-act-as-redskins-coach-making-everyone-forget-he-sucked/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter]Mike Shanahan's Brilliant Last Act as Redskins Coach; Making Everyone Forget He Sucked[/url][/quote]So this is truth?

From the article:
[U]“Mike Shanahan is a Hall of Fame coach.” They’ll say. They’ll say what a good coach he is, and how it’s a shame that Dan has once again let a relationship between himself and a player undermine the coaching relationship. Poor Mike Shanahan, dealing with that Dan guy again. Look how bad he treated Norv (who everyone wanted gone) and Marty (who quit after Dan tried to strip him of his GM role) and Spurrier (who also quit but Dan begged to come back) and how he ruined Joe Gibbs’ legacy (who left the team on short notice after he also quit and, oh yeah, by the way, Gibbs had his hand in every bad and stupid move that was made during that four years and Dan also begged to stay) and screwed Jim Zorn (who was in over his head). Dan’s just a horrible owner and as long as he’s the Redskins owner they’ll never be successful because he’s basically Snidely effing Whiplash with a burgundy colored top hat. And no mustache."[/U]

So none of the other coaches leaving during Snyder's ownership was Snyder's fault after all? [B][U]B.S.[/U][/B]

Nice revisionist history about Snyder taking Norv Turner's playoff team and trying to play fantasy football signing a "Past His Prime Time" clown and other big signings, then canning Norv midseason. Then giving the keys of the franchise to someone responsible (Marty), and canning him after one season (They started 0-5, but won their next 8 out of 11 to finish the season 8-8!) And then Spurrier.....you know what you know the rest.

The only time we had any success in Snyder's reign (other than year 1 when Norv's team hadn't been changed by Snyder yet) was Gibbs 2.0, and now people want to blame JG for our woes!

The article is garbage. I stopped taking it seriously after the obvious revisionist history of previous coaches. I fully believe that Snyder's never stopped meddling, and that's why there was any truth to the idea that Mike Shanahan wanted to leave last season. The particulars we may never know. Instead we'll be fed rumors and drama, just like all the other coaches that have come and gone since Dan Snyder bought the team.

And we're all idiots when every time Snyder hires a respectable coach, we believe "Dan Snyder's changed". We believed it with Marty, then with Joe, and now Mike. Of course, when Dan hires someone new, we'll believe he'll be a good owner THIS time too.

Again, look at what I quoted from the article. Do you really believe the article that it's those coaches fault? Or the one owner this whole time?

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[quote=GTripp0012;1047143]Masterfully written.[/quote]

Agreed......

Re: Mike Shanahan was Ready to Leave Washington after 2012 Season
 

[quote=HailGreen28;1047156]So this is truth?

From the article:
[U]“Mike Shanahan is a Hall of Fame coach.” They’ll say. They’ll say what a good coach he is, and how it’s a shame that Dan has once again let a relationship between himself and a player undermine the coaching relationship. Poor Mike Shanahan, dealing with that Dan guy again. Look how bad he treated Norv (who everyone wanted gone) and Marty (who quit after Dan tried to strip him of his GM role) and Spurrier (who also quit but Dan begged to come back) and how he ruined Joe Gibbs’ legacy (who left the team on short notice after he also quit and, oh yeah, by the way, Gibbs had his hand in every bad and stupid move that was made during that four years and Dan also begged to stay) and screwed Jim Zorn (who was in over his head). Dan’s just a horrible owner and as long as he’s the Redskins owner they’ll never be successful because he’s basically Snidely effing Whiplash with a burgundy colored top hat. And no mustache."[/U]

So none of the other coaches leaving during Snyder's ownership was Snyder's fault after all? [B][U]B.S.[/U][/B]

Nice revisionist history about Snyder taking Norv Turner's playoff team and trying to play fantasy football signing a "Past His Prime Time" clown and other big signings, then canning Norv midseason. Then giving the keys of the franchise to someone responsible (Marty), and canning him after one season (They started 0-5, but won their next 8 out of 11 to finish the season 8-8!) And then Spurrier.....you know what you know the rest.

The only time we had any success in Snyder's reign (other than year 1 when Norv's team hadn't been changed by Snyder yet) was Gibbs 2.0, and now people want to blame JG for our woes!

The article is garbage. I stopped taking it seriously after the obvious revisionist history of previous coaches. I fully believe that Snyder's never stopped meddling, and that's why there was any truth to the idea that Mike Shanahan wanted to leave last season. The particulars we may never know. Instead we'll be fed rumors and drama, just like all the other coaches that have come and gone since Dan Snyder bought the team.

And we're all idiots when every time Snyder hires a respectable coach, we believe "Dan Snyder's changed". We believed it with Marty, then with Joe, and now Mike. Of course, when Dan hires someone new, we'll believe he'll be a good owner THIS time too.

Again, look at what I quoted from the article. Do you really believe the article that it's those coaches fault? Or the one owner this whole time?[/quote]

I think that there are those who will always blame Snyder for everything and will never believe anything otherwise

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1047115]If you paid 800 million for a team, and your offense sucked, chances are you'd be having conversations with your play caller. Lol.[/QUOTE]

He should do all of us a favor and sell the team!!


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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1047161]I think that there are those who will always blame Snyder for everything and will never believe anything otherwise[/QUOTE]

What is the one common denominator in the last 20 years? Who else should we blame?


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[quote=SmootSmack;1047161]I think that there are those who will always blame Snyder for everything and will never believe anything otherwise[/quote]

While I have no clue how Snyder really is on the inside; from the outside it seems that during the last four years he did exactly what we all wanted and stayed out of it. Hard for me to blame him at this point.

I think there is plenty of blame to go around; but that article is pretty telling and I get the sense the media in general is starting to slowly turn a bit on Shannahan and his personality/attitude in general with refusal to take blame for anything.... its getting really interesting, unfortunately.

Re: Mike Shanahan was Ready to Leave Washington after 2012 Season
 

[quote=Gmanc711;1047167]While I have no clue how Snyder really is on the inside; from the outside it seems that during the last four years he did exactly what we all wanted and stayed out of it. Hard for me to blame him at this point.

I think there is plenty of blame to go around; but that article is pretty telling and I get the sense the media in general is starting to slowly turn a bit on Shannahan and his personality/attitude in general with refusal to take blame for anything.... its getting really interesting, unfortunately.[/quote]

I agree with this statement, I dont think we want the owner of the Jags running this football team as we all like to have the money that Dan throws around trying to get/keeps good free agents. At this point it has to be Shannahan or Allen...... I would have to lean toward Shannahan

Re: Mike Shanahan was Ready to Leave Washington after 2012 Season
 

[quote=FRPLG;1047141]Everyone needs to read this. More truth in it than almost anything you'll get from post/ESPN.
[URL="http://httr24-7.com/blog/mike-shanahans-brilliant-last-act-as-redskins-coach-making-everyone-forget-he-sucked/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter"]Mike Shanahan's Brilliant Last Act as Redskins Coach; Making Everyone Forget He Sucked[/URL][/quote]

Amazing there are still people out there defending Shanahan and putting all this on Snyder and RG3.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1047161]I think that there are those who will always blame Snyder for everything and will never believe anything otherwise[/quote]

I think it indicative of this that, now, after not hearing his name mentioned in any significant way for the last four years, all the franchise's errors of the last four years are being laid at Snyder's feet.

Snyder is an owner. I fully expect, as the owner of a billion dollar investment, he expects to have some level of input when franchise altering events are going contemplated. Further, as an owner, I would fully expect him to take advantage of the perks that ownership brings including, but not limited to, hanging out with professional athletes.

Snyder has given Shanahan everything for which he has asked. Snyder may have had some input on the acquisition of McNabb and/or Griffin - I would expect nothing less. At the same time, l have no doubt that Shanahan had the final say on rosters and that, had Shanny not wanted McN or RGIII, they would not be on the roster.

Every comment by and report about Shanny when he came here was that he was going to have control. When it comes to coaching, Shanny's ego fills a room and then some. This is his team, he built it. He is entitled to the credit when it succeeds and, ultimately, the blame for when it fails.

Snyder has been more than patient with him. Firing Shanahan after his team has so clearly and so consistently been outclassed on the field is not meddlesome; it is good ownership.

Snyder is not the problem.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1047161]I think that there are those who will always blame Snyder for everything and will never believe anything otherwise[/quote]


SS , ok just a question. Marty ,Joe 2.0 and Norv all ,all left and all good coachs ,what is it that you see that makes you think it's not Snyder and if it isn't then what is the reason ?

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[quote=Giantone;1047192]SS , ok just a question. Marty ,Joe 2.0 and Norv all ,all left and all good coachs ,what is it that you see that makes you think it's not Snyder and if it isn't then what is the reason ?[/quote]

Every situation was unique. Norv was a joke who asked for and got almost everything he asked for, Marty had issues primarily with other owners on the team, and Joe Gibbs didn't leave because of any discord with Snyder

Re: Mike Shanahan was Ready to Leave Washington after 2012 Season
 

[quote]The lack of accountability is disappointing and insulting,[B] particularly for yours truly, who has defended Mike through what I thought were dark times.[/B] As we look at the tattered remains of another season, I feel lied to. I feel like I was sold a product I didn’t get. I feel I was sold a Bill of Rights about respect and culture and accountability, but that the head coach couldn’t be bothered to follow those ideas.[/quote]

[url=http://httr24-7.com/blog/mike-shanahans-brilliant-last-act-as-redskins-coach-making-everyone-forget-he-sucked/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter]Mike Shanahan's Brilliant Last Act as Redskins Coach; Making Everyone Forget He Sucked[/url]

Pretty much sums up my feelings.

[QUOTE=Giantone;1047192]SS , ok just a question. Marty ,Joe 2.0 and Norv all ,all left and all good coachs ,what is it that you see that makes you think it's not Snyder and if it isn't then what is the reason ?[/QUOTE]

This. I guess it's Cooke's fault.. Amazing how Synder can get a pass for making the Redskins a complete joke for 20+ years..


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Also, didn't Synder hire Mike Shanahan??? Another blunder by our owner!!


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I don't think Snyder is blameless but he certainly gave Shanahan almost anything he wanted these last 4 years and it still didn't work.

Re: Mike Shanahan was Ready to Leave Washington after 2012 Season
 

[quote=SmootSmack;1047197]Every situation was unique. Norv was a joke who asked for and got almost everything he asked for, Marty had issues primarily with other owners on the team, and Joe Gibbs didn't leave because of any discord with Snyder[/quote]

I guess that begs the question: How much influence do other owners have on the team?

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[quote=mbedner3420;1047214]I guess that begs the question: How much influence do other owners have on the team?[/quote]

Now, not as much probably. But in the days of Gerald Snyder and Fred Drasner it was a bit different

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[quote=Mattyk;1047213]I don't think Snyder is blameless but he certainly gave Shanahan almost anything he wanted these last 4 years and it still didn't work.[/quote]


yeah no excuses for Mike

Re: Mike Shanahan was Ready to Leave Washington after 2012 Season
 

Maybe Mcnabb was right about Griffin and Shanny and the whole scapegoat thing

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It is all fustrating to say the least.

[I]"here we go again down the only road we ever know...."[/I]

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[quote=mredskins;1047218]It is all fustrating to say the least.

[I]"here we go again down the only road we ever know...."[/I][/quote]


yeah its becoming easier and easier to not really care much about the skins anymore, honestly I really don't know or care if and when MS will be fired and who he will be replaced with, we suck with anyone it seems. Sad but we are basically the new Bills or Browns of the NFC

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Sitting round here talking about Snyder and how much blame to access is a waste of time. He's done the right thing bringing in AJ Smith and Bruce. Getting mad because Dan wants to talk to Kyle or he has a good relationship with RG3 is exactly what the outsiders and the media want you talk about.

Blame clearly falls on the play of the team and the coaches on the sideline, everything else is just bullshit.

The jets who have a way worse offense than the redskins and a QB not even close to griffins level is 6-7 and in the playoff race , rex Ryan should be a COY candidate because he's been great this yr. What's Mike's excuse? Hell for all we know mike may have wanted to get fired the whole season

So your not worried at all that Synder will screw up thin next hire like all the rest? What gives you any confidence that Synder will get this ship pointed in the right direction?


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[quote=Brody81;1047225]So your not worried at all that Synder will screw up thin next hire like all the rest? What gives you any confidence that Synder will get this ship pointed in the right direction?


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Bruce and AJ Smith. I know from the outside the team and the situation looks bad. If you look at our cap situation, FO, the key talent in specific areas, I really think the future could be turned around rather quickly. Skins in good positions with several personel decision in the offseason too. Division is weak.

Our record is lousy, but we were a playoff team last year. If you compare this situation to when Zorn was on the way out, we are in a lot better shape.

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While it's no surprise that Snyder has continued to meddle, in no way does this excuse Shanahan who's been a bloated, arrogant, overrated "coach" for far too long. No matter what has happened with him and Snyder, Shanahan has screwed up enough here to warrant his firing, which I've been hoping for a long time.

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So Dan eating dinner with our star player and wanting to talk to Kyle is meddling?

Oh man the media is doing a great job again.

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[quote=Chico23231;1047231]So Dan eating dinner with our star player and wanting to talk to Kyle is meddling?

Oh man the media is doing a great job again.[/quote]

I'm not sure how many people know about wanting to meet with Kyle

[QUOTE=Chico23231;1047231]So Dan eating dinner with our star player and wanting to talk to Kyle is meddling?

Oh man the media is doing a great job again.[/QUOTE]

Like SS said , I'm surprised people are just now thinking this stuff goes on

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4 drafts for Shanahan, needs to blame himself...

[QUOTE=Evilgrin;1047236]4 drafts for Shanahan, needs to blame himself...[/QUOTE]

Other than TW , Griffin and morris who else has been a pro bowl draft pick?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1047237]Other than TW , Griffin and morris who else has been a pro bowl draft pick?[/quote]

Zero, and the defense has blow-it-up talent.

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Well it's obvious Shanahan wants out. He probably leaked that story yesterday. Not sure I blame him. Working for Snyder is like going on a reality TV show. In the end, it still comes down to players and we don't have any.

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[quote=Chico23231;1047231]So Dan eating dinner with our star player and wanting to talk to Kyle is meddling?

Oh man the media is doing a great job again.[/quote]

The owner should not never have dinner with a rookie QB. It's wrong on so many levels. An established vet that's proven? Then I could understand. Cooke would have never done such a thing.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1047240]The owner should not never have dinner with a rookie QB. It's wrong on so many levels. An established vet that's proven? Then I could understand. Cooke would have never done such a thing.[/quote]

I totally agree, but when have we ever had a Coach that leaked info constantly too ESPN? Did he think that was never gonna be an issue?

[QUOTE=Evilgrin;1047238]Zero, and the defense has blow-it-up talent.[/QUOTE]

Yeah Rak is a avg player at best, Kerrigan is the same. Dbs r garbage probably the worst in the league. Hall has had a good yr but that's it and the fact that Amerson.isn't starting is beyond me