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[quote=Gary84Clark;1059189]Everybody except Cousins.[/quote]

1. RG3 shouldn't worry about Cousins.
2. Cousins has been nothing but a class act since he's been here
3. Why do you hate Cousins so much?
4. Are you RG2? ...aka RG3's dad? ...Rebecca..aka RG3's wife?

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1059189]Everybody except Cousins.[/quote]

Well of course Cousins wants to start. So does Brandon Jenkins. So does Reed Doughty. Having your backups want to start is a GOOD thing and a normal thing. Rex wants to start - is he creating a QB controversy too?

Cousins' desire to start is not in any way a distracting QB controversy.

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[quote=Lotus;1059192]Well of course Cousins wants to start. So does Brandon Jenkins. So does Reed Doughty. Having your backups want to start is a GOOD thing and a normal thing. Rex wants to start - is he creating a QB controversy too?

Cousins' desire to start is not in any way a distracting QB controversy.[/quote]

It's good for every postion up for compettition. For the Redskins starting QB is not a competition. Cousins said he feels he has earned his chance to start. He felt like he was going to get a competition at QB. (Shannhan told him that, too bad). Let him go and be happy, because he earned the right to start from his 3 starts at the end of the season. I am paraphrasing Cousins. Don't need RG3 looking over his shoulder every time he throws a pick. Bring in a Derek Anderson type back up QB and let's build this team. Cousins only reminds me of Shannahan anyway.


Don'tt underestimate the words coming out of Cousins mouth. With Schecter and Sally as his bookend bullhorns, he will make waves.

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when do we trade Cousins? Draft or before?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1059167]Since everyone here seems to be obsessed with stats, I would look at it like a general manager would. Probably wouldn't judge him too much on mop up duty, pre season, nor the rainstorm against the Giants. [/quote]

GM's that base their decisions on cherry-picked stats from games played in favorable conditions tend to do things like giving up a second round pick for Kevin Kolb. Hopefully(for the Redskins sake), there are still GM's out there that operate with this kind of unwarranted optimism.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1059191]1. RG3 shouldn't worry about Cousins.
2. Cousins has been nothing but a class act since he's been here
3. Why do you hate Cousins so much?
4. Are you RG2? ...aka RG3's dad? ...Rebecca..aka RG3's wife?[/quote]

1. RG3 don't need people such as yourself wanting Cousins to get his "chance" at RG3's expense. We need to develope our starter, Cousins needs playing time to develop as well. One stays one goes. RG3 = three number one draft picks, so he stays.


2. Cousins has been a class act yet Schefter finds a way to take a jab a RG3 via Cousins "cute puppy qualities". Tebow is a class act but the media uses him to cause trouble. Same with Cousins. Sally Jenkins future quote "RG3 threw an interception why is Cousins on the sideline?". We don't need that . Since Cousins is such a class act I want him to have his "opportunity". RG3 is the starter no opportunity here.

3. I don't hate Cousins the person. I hate Cousins the quarterback. UGGGHHH super ugly!

4. Are you Sally Jenkins boy toy?

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1059226]1. RG3 don't need people such as yourself wanting Cousins to get his "chance" at RG3's expense. We need to develope our starter, Cousins needs playing time to develop as well. One stays one goes. RG3 = three number one draft picks, so he stays.


2. Cousins has been a class act yet Schefter finds a way to take a jab a RG3 via Cousins "cute puppy qualities". Tebow is a class act but the media uses him to cause trouble. Same with Cousins. Sally Jenkins future quote "RG3 threw an interception why is Cousins on the sideline?". We don't need that . Since Cousins is such a class act I want him to have his "opportunity". RG3 is the starter no opportunity here.

3. I don't hate Cousins the person. I hate Cousins the quarterback. UGGGHHH super ugly!

4. Are you Sally Jenkins boy toy?[/quote]

FYI...for the sake of the franchise, I do hope Griffin turns out to be what we all want him to be. And Jenkins isn't my type. Lol...

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I'm addicted to this thread lord help me.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1059278]I'm addicted to this thread lord help me.[/quote]

So that's it. Everything you've posted on this thread has made me think that you must be high on something.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1059190]This thread is all kinds of stupid[/quote]

Didn't start out that way.

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I really think that during the draft or just before it, we will get a second and a 4th - 6th for Cousins.

I could see getting a 3rd and a 4th, but I just think that too many teams need a quarterback, and this guy has arm strength, pocket presence, is mobile, has poise, and is a confirmed hard worker.

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[quote=Chico23231;1059194]when do we trade Cousins? Draft or before?[/quote]

We don't.

All teams should have a good backup. We especially need one with Griffin's playing style.

We'd be foolish to get rid of Cousins.

Want us to be the Chicago Bears, Detroit Lions or Green Bay Packers who swirl down the toilet when their starter misses a game?

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[quote=Monkeydad;1059653]We don't.

All teams should have a good backup. We especially need one with Griffin's playing style.

We'd be foolish to get rid of Cousins.

Want us to be the Chicago Bears, Detroit Lions or Green Bay Packers who swirl down the toilet when their starter misses a game?[/quote]

Mcown is way better than Cousins.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1059226]1. RG3 don't need people such as yourself wanting Cousins to get his "chance" at RG3's expense. We need to develope our starter, Cousins needs playing time to develop as well. One stays one goes. RG3 = three number one draft picks, so he stays.


2. Cousins has been a class act yet Schefter finds a way to take a jab a RG3 via Cousins "cute puppy qualities". Tebow is a class act but the media uses him to cause trouble. Same with Cousins. Sally Jenkins future quote "RG3 threw an interception why is Cousins on the sideline?". We don't need that . Since Cousins is such a class act I want him to have his "opportunity". RG3 is the starter no opportunity here.

3. I don't hate Cousins the person. I hate Cousins the quarterback. UGGGHHH super ugly!

4. Are you Sally Jenkins boy toy?[/quote]

Don't know how long you have been following the NFL, but the back up quarterback is usually hugely popular when the starter is struggling even if that back up hasn't played well before when given a chance. Cousins isn't the problem, change him out and if Griffin struggles again people will be calling for whomever took Cousins place.

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If we had JJ Watt on our team would you keep Ryan Kerrigan as a back up because he "[I]has value as a back up[/I]"?
Hell no ....you trade his narrow ass to get bodies for a position that doesn't have a real starter.
We need more draft picks....period.
I don't know about you guys but I'm planning on Griffin playing all 16 games next year.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1059656]Mcown is way better than Cousins.[/quote]

He was a journeyman who failed to catch on with the Cardinals, Raiders, Lions and Panthers before hitting the jackpot throwing to Marshall/Jeffery/Bennett and handing off to Matt Forte.

Cousins and most other backups would thrive with those weapons too.

McCown had a great run this season but if some other team goes after him based on this season, they're going to be disappointed after they end up with another Matt Flynn.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1059669]If we had JJ Watt on our team would you keep Ryan Kerrigan as a back up because he "[I]has value as a back up[/I]"?
Hell no ....you trade his narrow ass to get bodies for a position that doesn't have a real starter.
We need more draft picks....period.
I don't know about you guys but I'm planning on Griffin playing all 16 games next year.[/quote]

The difference is that the QB is the most important position on the field and if the starter goes down a good back up is a must, not so much with a DE.

I'm glad you are planning on RG3 playing all 16 games but a wise mand once told me to expect the best but plan for the worst. RG3 not playing in all 16 games might not be the worst case scenario (him not being able to run the offense is) and the Skins need to expect the best but plan for the worst.

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No ....the difference is that we are rebuilding big time and we are short on picks and need to make that up as soon as possible.

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I honestly don't see anything great in Cousins. To me it seems like a lot of hype but if some one wants to give us a 2nd rounder for his hype hooray.

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If we ever trade Cousins, it will be for 2nd round pick.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000326630/article/report-skins-want-secondrounder-for-kirk-cousins]Report: 'Skins want second-rounder for Kirk Cousins - NFL.com[/url]

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[quote=GridIron26;1059830]If we ever trade Cousins, it will be for 2nd round pick.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000326630/article/report-skins-want-secondrounder-for-kirk-cousins]Report: 'Skins want second-rounder for Kirk Cousins - NFL.com[/url][/quote]

Turning a 4th round pick into a 2nd round pick. I can live with that. If that happens, thanks Shanahan.

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[quote=GridIron26;1059830]If we ever trade Cousins, it will be for 2nd round pick.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000326630/article/report-skins-want-secondrounder-for-kirk-cousins]Report: 'Skins want second-rounder for Kirk Cousins - NFL.com[/url][/quote]

This is part of the game. Thats what we want, what we take most likely is very different. To me this is the set up for the "yes we would love a 3rd and a 5th."

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I be seeing yall posting but I don't be replying. When y'all post something I be reading.

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[quote=GridIron26;1059830]If we ever trade Cousins, it will be for 2nd round pick.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000326630/article/report-skins-want-secondrounder-for-kirk-cousins]Report: 'Skins want second-rounder for Kirk Cousins - NFL.com[/url][/quote]

There is no way the Skins could get a 2nd rounder for KC.

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Their best chance to land a 2nd rounder will be the night after the 1st round of the draft finishes. At that point there may be a team or two who didn't land a rookie QB in the first round. If there's one team like that, then they'll have the leverage on the Skins and would probably insist on no higher than a 3rd. If there's two teams though, then one might bite for a 2nd rounder.

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The only problem with trading him is it creates another hole. Still I don't think he is all that.

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[quote=Chico23231;1059836]This is part of the game. Thats what we want, what we take most likely is very different. To me this is the set up for the "yes we would love a 3rd and a 5th."[/quote]

Exactly that's how negotiations go.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1059840]I be seeing yall posting but I don't be replying. When y'all post something I be reading.[/quote]


Is that you, Fred Davis?

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[quote=Monkeydad;1059860]Is that you, Fred Davis?[/quote]

:lol: LOL :laughing2

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[quote=mredskins;1059814]I honestly don't see anything great in Cousins. To me it seems like a lot of hype but if some one wants to give us a 2nd rounder for his hype hooray.[/quote]

A UDFA fills that hole.
The Seahawks won the super bowl with Tavaris effing Jackson as their back up.
Easy peasy.......

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[quote=Monkeydad;1059670]He was a journeyman who failed to catch on with the Cardinals, Raiders, Lions and Panthers before hitting the jackpot throwing to Marshall/Jeffery/Bennett and handing off to Matt Forte.

Cousins and most other backups would thrive with those weapons too.

McCown had a great run this season but if some other team goes after him based on this season, they're going to be disappointed after they end up with another Matt Flynn.[/quote]

The difference is McCown got good protection in the pocket and the Bears did an excellent job structuring the offense so it would work for and with him. And he did a great job hitting his open receivers, moving the ball and not making mistakes.

Cousins has not proven he could do any of that and the Redskins o-line can't protect anyone. In no way shape or form is he worth a second round pick but if someone wants to be a sucker and give up one for him then fine.

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[quote=RFKRat;1059928]The difference is McCown got good protection in the pocket and the Bears did an excellent job structuring the offense so it would work for and with him. And he did a great job hitting his open receivers, moving the ball and not making mistakes.

Cousins has not proven he could do any of that and the Redskins o-line can't protect anyone. In no way shape or form is he worth a second round pick but if someone wants to be a sucker and give up one for him then fine.[/quote]

I thought it was because MCCown was mobile. The Bears o-line was an epic failure. That's why MCCown got so much playing time. The Bears were horrible at pass protection. Besides I thought Cousins was so good with his quick release.

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How many times did Cousins get sacked in those 3 starts?

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The sack numbers dropped when KC took over. It's very evident that Cousins gets the ball out faster and is quicker w/ his reads than Griffin is at this point. That's why RG3 was benched. He was holding the ball, not picking up blitzes and taking 5-6 sacks a game. I'm sure as time goes on RG3 will get better in that area. But this is why I hold on to KC. RG3 plays, w/ total disregard for his body, holds the ball, which risks himself to more hits and has questionable knees. Everyone is so obsessed about getting a draft pick instead of realizing that quality depth at the QB position is crucial to any teams success....or failure. If Rex Grossman has to play in Cleveland and Baltimore we don't win those games and don't win the division.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1059929]I thought it was because MCCown was mobile. The Bears o-line was an epic failure. That's why MCCown got so much playing time. The Bears were horrible at pass protection. Besides I thought Cousins was so good with his quick release.[/quote]

Bears O-line was a strength last year with the addition of Kyle Long and Bushrod. Their injury riddled defense is what killed them.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1059969]The sack numbers dropped when KC took over. It's very evident that Cousins gets the ball out faster...[/quote]...right into the hands of defenders.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1059969]The sack numbers dropped when KC took over. It's very evident that Cousins gets the ball out faster and is quicker w/ his reads than Griffin is at this point. That's why RG3 was benched. He was holding the ball, not picking up blitzes and taking 5-6 sacks a game. I'm sure as time goes on RG3 will get better in that area. But this is why I hold on to KC. RG3 plays, w/ total disregard for his body, holds the ball, which risks himself to more hits and has questionable knees. Everyone is so obsessed about getting a draft pick instead of realizing that quality depth at the QB position is crucial to any teams success....or failure. If Rex Grossman has to play in Cleveland and Baltimore we don't win those games and don't win the division.[/quote]

He played the Falcons, cowboys and giants without their starting d-linemen. He played against the worse defenses we faced all year and still there are a bunch of turnovers. Sacks are better than picks.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1059969]The sack numbers dropped when KC took over. It's very evident that Cousins gets the ball out faster and is quicker w/ his reads than Griffin is at this point. That's why RG3 was benched. He was holding the ball, not picking up blitzes and taking 5-6 sacks a game. I'm sure as time goes on RG3 will get better in that area. But this is why I hold on to KC. RG3 plays, w/ total disregard for his body, holds the ball, which risks himself to more hits and has questionable knees. Everyone is so obsessed about getting a draft pick instead of realizing that quality depth at the QB position is crucial to any teams success....or failure. If Rex Grossman has to play in Cleveland and Baltimore we don't win those games and don't win the division.[/quote]

That was two seasons ago.....
And as Monkeydad pointed out the sacks went down but the picks went up and picks are worse than sacks.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1059969]The sack numbers dropped when KC took over. It's very evident that Cousins gets the ball out faster and is quicker w/ his reads than Griffin is at this point. That's why RG3 was benched. He was holding the ball, not picking up blitzes and taking 5-6 sacks a game. I'm sure as time goes on RG3 will get better in that area. But this is why I hold on to KC. [B]RG3 plays, w/ total disregard for his body[/B], holds the ball, which risks himself to more hits and has questionable knees. Everyone is so obsessed about getting a draft pick instead of realizing that quality depth at the QB position is crucial to any teams success....or failure. If Rex Grossman has to play in Cleveland and Baltimore we don't win those games and don't win the division.[/quote]

yeah, i love the fact he is always willing to give his body up for the homerun play but it is a double edged sword.

i view the Kirk Cousins situation as pretty straightforward.

If we dont get a 2nd or a comparative package deal we keep him.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1059975]That was two seasons ago.....
And as Monkeydad pointed out the sacks went down but the picks went up and picks are worse than sacks.[/quote]

I'm not saying Cousins is Tom Brady. He made his share of mistakes. You also have to remember the game was called a lot different then when RG3 was in there. The play calling was a lot more aggressive so more turnovers are expected. I think as Cousins moves on his career he'll learn to throw more on time. His Ints were not because he's throwing into double coverage, or only looking at one guy. His issues seems to be he throws late and behind, very correctable.