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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1066060]He's still doing it in the pro's, why on the earth would the eagles let this guy walk being the talent that he is?[/quote]

Cap number and he isn't a "chip" guy. A new regime wants his guys.

To the others who saying Reid isn't interested is red flag is crap. The chiefs simply can't afford d jax, they are gonna have big cap problems starting next year. Simply not fesiable.

[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;1066053]So the Chiefs found a skeleton in the closet?

[url=http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/41611/Chiefs-out-of-running-for-free-agent-receiver-DeSean-Jackson/Default.aspx]Chiefs out of running for free-agent receiver DeSean Jackson[/url][/QUOTE]

More likely cap/need issues. We have cap we have need. They have less cap, less need at WR

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1066051]This isn't the management that brought in Sanders/Archuleta etc. Jackson is not 33 and done. We didn't trade a pick to a division rival for a used up qb. Heck we don't even know if we overpaid him yet.

It is an opportunity to bring in a playmaker, a dynamic returner, a competent 2nd WR to compliment Garcon and Roberts. Maybe the organization makes a solid effort to bring him in and pays an appropriate price to seal the deal.

Lets let this FO have a reasonable time before we condemn them for sins of redskins past.[/quote]

Exactly..some people can't get beyond the past. Jackson upgrades a spot in desparate need of an upgrade. It also allows us flexibility in the draft (especially at #34) since we'd be out of the blue chip WR market and can focus on RT, CB and S.

A top 10 playmaker in his prime, fits a specific need, opens things up for everything underneath and the running game. The opportunity to give Griffin another major weapon, you've got to seriously consider it. Adding him instantly moves our skill position group right up near the top of the pack.

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He could be the next Cris Carter leave the shegles put up great numbers at the next team and end up in the Hall of Fame.

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[quote=chewman;1066059]Not every fan is going to be excited if we sign him, you can't please everyone.![/quote]

Truer words have never been written

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1066065]He could be the next Cris Carter leave the shegles put up great numbers at the next team and end up in the Hall of Fame.[/quote]

Or he could be the next Fred Davis, missing meetings, questionable work ethic, fighting with your WR coach.

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[quote=sfredskin;1066067]or he could be the next fred davis, missing meetings, questionable work ethic, fighting with your wr coach.[/quote]

all i talk is money

dats da language dat i speak

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1066065]He could be the next Cris Carter leave the shegles put up great numbers at the next team and end up in the Hall of Fame.[/quote]
I had that thought yesterday as well. What if social media/today's 'journalists' existed when Cris Carter was an Eagle and cut because of his secret drug problem.

There have been less that stellar dudes playing in the NFL for a long time, people need to get over themselves a little bit.

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Count wait to see what we talk about after tomorrow.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1066060]He's still doing it in the pro's, why on the earth would the eagles let this guy walk being the talent that he is?[/quote]

I think the number one reason was money. The other stuff can be managed. He's not going out and robbing people.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1066048]Where do you want me to start on the free agency list? Should I start with Deon Sanders and work down? This team isn't remotely close to contending. There are much greater needs than 1 WR. If we were stacked (likef 49ers/Seattle), I could see the move, as it is, this is just a band aid. Seems this team is never going to learn. (or its fans)[/quote]

Redskins can't get stacked. The moment we sign a name everyone screams 2000. Vinny Cerratto, and the entire nine. How many troubled players have the Patriots signed. Hasn't slowed them down one bit. You need talent to win in the NFL not character, Jimmy Johnson's Dallas Cowboys proved that.

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[quote=Schneed10;1066004]I can understand the concern but I can also dispel the notion that Desean will prevent us from resigning our big guns with a little cap analysis.

Let's look at 2015 where we currently have $107M committed to 42 players. The cap is estimated to come in around $140M, so there's currently $33M in space there.

So starting with $33M in space:

- figure on $10M in space for 8 more players, taking you up to 50
- figure on $7M in space for Desean, taking you to 51

Let's stop there. That leaves you $16M in space, with Desean, and with a full roster. So now think of the typical offseason moves they'll face next year before you begin making moves:

- Stephen Bowen has a cap hit of $8.0M. You could save $5.5M by releasing him. Um, bye.

- Chris Chester has a cap hit of $4.8M. You could save $4.0M by releasing him. Um, later bro.

- Logan Paulsen has a cap hit of $2.1M. Nice enough player, but cutting him saves you $1.7M. You could, at minimum, get him to easily drop that salary and bring him back.

Let's stop there. You just added $10M in space with those cuts. So we're back to $26M. Now what:

- Let's say we give Griffin the big extension and he eats $15M in space instead of his $6.7M he's scheduled to. So $8.3M additional space gone.

- Let's say we extend Trent for life. His cap number would actually come down from $13.7M to like $10M. So believe it or not that creates space in 2015.

- We lock up AlMo because he's a beast. $5M cap hit.

- We lock up Orakpo. $8M cap hit.

- We lock up Kerrigan. $6M cap hit.

Stop there. Those moves ate $23M in space. You now have $3M in space left.

So yes, you can keep everyone with Desean just fine. And I'm probably being very liberal with the cap hits on Almo, Orakpo, and Kerrigan. There are other moves that could be made in there as well to save cap space.

It's not a problem, Desean fits fine if we want him.[/quote]

Thanks for laying that out. It just seems shocking we could fit all that in.

And to your point of not having to take a WR at #2, I REALLY would prefer that. That's about the most risky of all positions, and the last thing I want to do is something like that diminishes our chances of improving even if it's not a sexy pick like WR.

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All this Desean Jackson talk only reminds me of the fact that we could have had him already. He was on the board when we picked in 2008 and we went with Devin Thomas instead. LOL! Oh Vinny you scamp you!

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[quote=Paintrain;1066069]I had that thought yesterday as well. What if social media/today's 'journalists' existed when Cris Carter was an Eagle and cut because of his secret drug problem.

There have been less that stellar dudes playing in the NFL for a long time, people need to get over themselves a little bit.[/quote]

How many Super Bowls did the Vikings win with Carter? How many is Calvin Johnson up to? Fiztgerald? Andre Johnson? Insert elite WR name here.

Super Bowls aren't won by great Wide Receivers and teams that over-spend at that position, and Running Back for that matter, are going to have a difficult time building a championship caliber roster.

His contract is going to hamstring this franchise for years to come. With the same talent already on the roster, the Skins were a top 5 Offense just 2 years ago. The 3-13 record last year had nothing to do with not having a "viable" #2 Receiver.

The Offense can be plenty productive without him, but the team will suffer in the long run due to his cap hit.

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[quote=44Deezel;1066077]How many Super Bowls did the Vikings win with Carter? How many is Calvin Johnson up to? Fiztgerald? Andre Johnson? Insert elite WR name here.

Super Bowls aren't won by great Wide Receivers and teams that over-spend at that position, and Running Back for that matter, are going to have a difficult time building a championship caliber roster.

His contract is going to hamstring this franchise for years to come. With the same talent already on the roster, the Skins were a top 5 Offense just 2 years ago. The 3-13 record last year had nothing to do with not having a "viable" #2 Receiver.

The Offense can be plenty productive without him, but the team will suffer in the long run due to his cap hit.[/quote]


Yea but they sure as hell help.

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I trust this current Redskins management team. If they decide that they want to sign D-Jax, then I accept that it's what the Redskins should do.

I'd like to talk about the timing of the release of D-Jax and what that means to the Skins.

First, I think the Eagles did D-Jax wrong by releasing him as late as they did, after most teams had already made any expensive acquisitions that they were going to make. They probably took numerous potential landing spots for D-Jax off the table.

Second, that turned out to be a good thing for the Skins. Right now, it looks like Oakland might be the Skins primary competition for his services, although that could change quickly, as we all know.

He might like the idea of playing in the Bay area but he'd still be playing for the Raiders. Who would be throwing him the ball?

With the Redskins, he'd be in a passing offense with RGIII at QB, two other quality WR's, a budding young star at TE, and he'd get two or three shots a year to make Philly pay for cutting him. The Redskins have a lot to sell him.

We'll see what happens.

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There's a rumor that the Skins offense is a good fit for D Jax. Something he'd be able to fit into easily. I think it's really between us, the Raiders, the Jets and the Bills.

We really can't lose because even if we don't sign him, at least he's out of the NFC.

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[quote=44Deezel;1066077]How many Super Bowls did the Vikings win with Carter? How many is Calvin Johnson up to? Fiztgerald? Andre Johnson? Insert elite WR name here.

Super Bowls aren't won by great Wide Receivers and teams that over-spend at that position, and Running Back for that matter, are going to have a difficult time building a championship caliber roster.

His contract is going to hamstring this franchise for years to come. With the same talent already on the roster, the Skins were a top 5 Offense just 2 years ago. The 3-13 record last year had nothing to do with not having a "viable" #2 Receiver.

The Offense can be plenty productive without him, but the team will suffer in the long run due to his cap hit.[/quote]
Dude you don't even know what type of contract may be discussed. Some of y'all cats are so funny. Schneed10 already spelled out how his potential contract would have very little bearing on our overall cap future in terms of being 'hamstrung'.

Besides all of that, my point with Cris Carter is if his issues existed in today's media climate, fanbases would be at D-Jax times 100 with 'concern' about what he'd do to their locker rooms and his character.

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[quote=44Deezel;1066077]How many Super Bowls did the Vikings win with Carter? How many is Calvin Johnson up to? Fiztgerald? Andre Johnson? Insert elite WR name here.

Super Bowls aren't won by great Wide Receivers and teams that over-spend at that position, and Running Back for that matter, are going to have a difficult time building a championship caliber roster.

His contract is going to hamstring this franchise for years to come. With the same talent already on the roster, the Skins were a top 5 Offense just 2 years ago. The 3-13 record last year had nothing to do with not having a "viable" #2 Receiver.

The Offense can be plenty productive without him, but the team will suffer in the long run due to his cap hit.[/quote]

You go ahead and name them all you want. And I'll name you:

- Jerry Rice
- Michael Irvin
- Plaxico Burress
- Torry Holt & Isaac Bruce
- Art Monk, Gary Clark & Ricky Sanders
- Lynn Swann

Garcon, Jackson and Roberts. Posse II?

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[quote=Schneed10;1066086]You go ahead and name them all you want. And I'll name you:

- Jerry Rice
- Michael Irvin
- Plaxico Burress
- Torry Holt & Isaac Bruce
- Art Monk, Gary Clark & Ricky Sanders
- Lynn Swann

Garcon, Jackson and Roberts. Posse II?[/quote]

I know it has been said but with the speed of Jackson and the speed of Robinson, the middle opens up so much for Reed, and Morris as well because with Jackson out there you CAN'T put 8 in the box unless you are Seattle.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1066083]There's a rumor that the Skins offense is a good fit for D Jax. Something he'd be able to fit into easily. I think it's really between us, the Raiders, the Jets and the Bills.

We really can't lose because even if we don't sign him, at least he's out of the NFC.[/quote]

Among those teams we have the advantage in so many areas:

- Ability to get back at the Eagles
- Most attractive QB to play for, by far
- A player with 'street cred' he'll respect and look up to in D Hall
- Enough cap space to satisfy contract demands
- First visit, a chance to sign him before he leaves town.

Raiders have the cap space and the home town. Jets have Morningwheg but I don't think that means much to DeSean.

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[quote=Paintrain;1066084]Dude you don't even know what type of contract may be discussed. Some of y'all cats are so funny. Schneed10 already spelled out how his potential contract would have very little bearing on our overall cap future in terms of being 'hamstrung'.

Besides all of that, my point with Cris Carter is if his issues existed in today's media climate, fanbases would be at D-Jax times 100 with 'concern' about what he'd do to their locker rooms and his character.[/quote]

I'm reading other articles that say otherwise, especially after the first year. If he wants to play here on the cheap, then I'm all for it. We're already 9th in the league in what we spend on Wide Receivers and this move is expected to move us into the top 5. When I look at the blue print for Super Bowl winners over the last 10-15, I don't see high-priced Receivers.

I'd just like us to be a team that has a lot of players who outplay their contracts. Alfmo is a perfect example. 1st round production for 6th round pay. We need more of that.

I have no concerns about his ability or even his character. It's the business aspect I don't like, plain and simple. This doesn't appear to be a move that the teams we want to be like would make.

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[quote=Chico23231;1066062]Cap number and he isn't a "chip" guy. A new regime wants his guys.

To the others who saying Reid isn't interested is red flag is crap. The chiefs simply can't afford d jax, they are gonna have big cap problems starting next year. Simply not fesiable.[/quote]

We don't have much more cap space than the Chiefs, now or into the future. If we can bend things to make DJax's cap number work, so can the Chiefs.

Yet they are not interested.

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[quote=Schneed10;1066088]Among those teams we have the advantage in so many areas:

- Ability to get back at the Eagles
- Most attractive QB to play for, by far
- A player with 'street cred' he'll respect and look up to in D Hall
- Enough cap space to satisfy contract demands
- First visit, a chance to sign him before he leaves town.

[B]Raiders have the cap space and the home town. [/B] Jets have Morningwheg but I don't think that means much to DeSean.[/quote]

I hope the Raiders get him. Then he can make his $$, rack up 1,300 yards a year without hurting us, and be a destructive presence in someone else's locker room.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1066083]There's a rumor that the Skins offense is a good fit for D Jax. Something he'd be able to fit into easily. I think it's really between us, the Raiders, the Jets and the Bills.

[B]We really can't lose because even if we don't sign him, at least he's out of the NFC[/B].[/quote]

That's how I see it.

[QUOTE=Lotus;1066090]We don't have much more cap space than the Chiefs, now or into the future. If we can bend things to make DJax's cap number work, so can the Chiefs.

Yet they are not interested.[/QUOTE]

We have about 4 million more than the chiefs, which is significant when it probably is a 6million cap hit to land him.

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Ian Rapoport ✔ @RapSheet

#Chiefs & Andy Reid were intrigued by DeSean Jackson, but with limited cap space, can’t match the budding open market. Would’ve loved DeSean


Retweeted by John Keim

Just wanted to put this out there.

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[quote=Lotus;1066091]I hope the Raiders get him. Then he can make his $$, rack up 1,300 yards a year without hurting us, and be a destructive presence in someone else's locker room.[/quote]

I love how he was a 'destructive presence' in a locker room that won the division with a rookie coach. BASTARD!

Really? On Thursday if I started a random poll asking 'who is the most disruptive locker room force in the NFC East' Jackson probably would finished outside the top 3 behind Dez Bryant, Riley Cooper and Rodgers-Cromartie but now that there was a newspaper article written about him and his team made a decision, he's the worst sports person in America. Comical.

I just want to make sure that if we do sign him, all of you sit on your hands and worry about how he may be affecting the locker room each time he scores.

BTW, we have about twice the cap room the Chiefs have and more flexibility with cuts/restructures to non essential players.

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IMO RGIII should say to D. Jacks look I'm being labeled a coach killer and there giving you the same label come to the SKINS and lets both shut everyone up.

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I would pass on desean, unless the money was skins friendly (which I doubt)

his addition would be a luxury, not a need.

im not so much worried about the off field stuff as i am with allocating too much money on receiver. even if his cap hit was 5-6 this year, id guess his average salary would be end up near 10 mil per. we have rg3, trent, rak, kerrigan to re-sign in the next few years.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;1066072]Redskins can't get stacked. The moment we sign a name everyone screams 2000. Vinny Cerratto, and the entire nine. How many troubled players have the Patriots signed. Hasn't slowed them down one bit. You need talent to win in the NFL not character, Jimmy Johnson's Dallas Cowboys proved that.[/quote]

I didn't even mention character. I simply said I don't like the move at this exact time, not that I don't like Jackson or his abilities. It's the same thing I said with the RGIII trade, I questioned the move at a time we desperately needed talent on the team. We still need a lot of talent. This is a 3-13 team.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1066108]I didn't even mention character. I simply said I don't like the move at this exact time, not that I don't like Jackson or his abilities. It's the same thing I said with the RGIII trade, I questioned the move at a time we desperately needed talent on the team. We still need a lot of talent. This is a 3-13 team.[/quote]

You know how this division is 3-13 could easily be 10-6 next season.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1066108]I didn't even mention character. I simply said I don't like the move at this exact time, not that I don't like Jackson or his abilities. It's the same thing I said with the RGIII trade, I questioned the move at a time we desperately needed talent on the team. We still need a lot of talent. This is a 3-13 team.[/quote]

This is somewhere between a 3-13 team and a 10-6 team 2 years ago. you can say they overachieved in 2012, but they clearly underachieved in 2013. The biggest thing to me, and we may never know this, is I want this to be a decision made with "football sound principles" whatever the heck they are.

I don't want an egotistical coach, or pure penny pinching GM, or a starstruck owner making this call. I would like the FO to look at it, rate the strengths he brings, compared to the weaknesses we have. Then look at the cap planning for the next 3 years, and the flexibility to make a solid move if it's there. Then see if the coach feels this player fits in the locker room environment, does he want him.

And if all that is done and we sign him awesome. If any of those throw up a red flag, and we don't, then I hope he goes out of division! :)

Of course, even if it all is done appropriately, someone will blame Snyder's interference for the signing, or BA's penny pinching for the lack of signing, cuz that's how we roll!

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I don't like how DJ is being labeled a cancer. I mean the guy is good and he knows it. His arrogant attitude has been earned. We're not talking about Fat Al. He's not dividing locker rooms or punching out his teammates. Whoever ends up with DJ and his salary, it's not like the guy hasn't earned it. As long as the guy doesn't shoot anyone or do illegal drugs, I'm cool with him.

Not everyone on the team is going to keep their nose clean. You know by today's standards people would characterize Riggo has having "character issues".

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1066112]I don't like how DJ is being labeled a cancer. I mean the guy is good and he knows it. His arrogant attitude has been earned. We're not talking about Fat Al. He's not dividing locker rooms or punching out his teammates. Whoever ends up with DJ and his salary, it's not like the guy hasn't earned it. As long as the guy doesn't shoot anyone or do illegal drugs, I'm cool with him.

Not everyone on the team is going to keep their nose clean. [B]You know by today's standards people would characterize Riggo has having "character issues"[/B].[/quote]

Whoa, take it easy Rave Baby

:silly:

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[quote=44Deezel;1066089]I'd just like us to be a team that has a lot of players who outplay their contracts. Alfmo is a perfect example. 1st round production for 6th round pay. We need more of that.[/quote]

Nobody is that good at drafting. They just get lucky sometimes.

D-Jax is a proven game-breaker and he's only 27 years old. That's why teams pay for FA's like him rather than shoot craps in the draft.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1066097]Ian Rapoport ✔ @RapSheet

#Chiefs & Andy Reid were intrigued by DeSean Jackson, but with limited cap space, can’t match the budding open market. Would’ve loved DeSean


Retweeted by John Keim

Just wanted to put this out there.[/quote]

Fair enough. Good to know.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1066112]I don't like how DJ is being labeled a cancer. I mean the guy is good and he knows it. His arrogant attitude has been earned. We're not talking about Fat Al. He's not dividing locker rooms or punching out his teammates. Whoever ends up with DJ and his salary, it's not like the guy hasn't earned it. As long as the guy doesn't shoot anyone or do illegal drugs, I'm cool with him.

Not everyone on the team is going to keep their nose clean. You know by today's standards people would characterize Riggo has having "character issues".[/quote]

I don't buy the "gang ties" stuff, so I am not knocking DJax for that or for anything criminal.

But I would not describe Riggo like DJax because Riggo, by many accounts, was a great teammate. DJax, going back years, appears to have little concept of the idea of a team. Reversing the usual, his motto appears to be, "There is no "team" in "I." Heck, at Cal he didn't even know his teammates' names.

Obviously most folks here differ. His talent and numbers are quite attractive. But he's not the kind of guy who I would want in my locker room.

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[QUOTE][url=http://www.csnwashington.com/football-washington-redskins/talk/redskins-jackson-appear-ready-do-business]Redskins, Jackson appear ready to do business | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/url][/QUOTE]

I'm increasingly joining the bandwagon on this. These moves are always about the "IF"s. IF he doesn't get into trouble, IF he gets along with coach, IF he is motivated -- he'd be awesome for us. These high profile moves - if they work, they can make your franchise. If they fail, it takes 3-5 years to rebuild, salvage the salary cap, and get a new coach.

With DJax, we solve a major issue. I think you're more likely to get a very good safety, RT, MLB in the second round than a WR.

Also in a strange way -- if our offense finally starts scoring again, it can make opposing offenses one dimensional / pass-first. That could help our defense, & allow our D-line just rush the QB. Not sure how our secondary would respond. So ironically, by helping our offense -- there's a chance DJax could indirectly make our defense more effective.

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[quote=Lotus;1066117]I don't buy the "gang ties" stuff, so I am not knocking DJax for that or for anything criminal.

But I would not describe Riggo like DJax because Riggo, by many accounts, was a great teammate. DJax, going back years, appears to have little concept of the idea of a team. Reversing the usual, his motto appears to be, "There is no "team" in "I." Heck, at Cal he didn't even know his teammates' names.

Obviously most folks here differ. His talent and numbers are quite attractive. But he's not the kind of guy who I would want in my locker room.[/quote]

I can respect that. But who knows. I can't speak for his college days, but I doubt there were many high quality personalities in Philly. It is Philly after all. He's still young, maybe he can make a change for the better in DC.